1 Corinthians Chapter 10 Discussion Page 2

Just wanted to be sure about the cloud. I feel like under the cloud God's protection and heaven and passing though the water, as symbol for (physical) spiritual baptism.

Emma,

In 1 Corinthians 10, at least the first 22 verses are a warning to the church about idolatry.

In the first 4 verses, Paul uses several illustrative phrases:

Under the cloud

For the 40 years in the wilderness, from The Exodus from Egypt to the entrance into The Promised Land, God lead Israel in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire at night. So "under the cloud" meant God's guidance and protection in the wilderness.

Through the sea

When Israel exited Egypt, God caused the Red Sea to open so that they could cross over on dry land, through the sea. "Through the sea" an impossible barrier to freedom from slavery, was overcome by a miracle from God.

Spiritual meat

In the wilderness for 40 years, God provided for their physical needs. He gave them mana every morning except the Sabbath and quail. Food for physical sustenance.

Spiritual drink

When they ran out of water, God instructed Moses to strike a rock near mount Sinai and water came forth. Water for physical sustenance.

Paul wrote these things...

"Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted." 1Co 10:6

And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; simple words what does this mean. I think I know but want a confirmation.

Also called "Song of Songs" (1:1) which means 'the best of (Solomon's) songs'. Solomon was the author & this is only one of 1005 songs & 3000 proverbs that he wrote ( 1 Kings 4:32). This is a poem in dialogue form (may not have been put to a tune) & it describes Solomon's love for a Shulamite girl. He, as a King, comes in disguise to her family's vineyard, wins her heart & ultimately makes her his bride.

Some see this song or poem as purely an allegory, i.e. one with fictional characters employed to teach others of God's love for His people. But we know it is historically correct. Others see it as an actual historical account that shows Solomon's romance with this girl (showing the joys of courtship & marriage) but also of God's intimate love for His people. And yet others, see only the historical account with no picture of God's Love. We could then ask, 'why was this book placed into the Canon of Scripture'? But one would have to deal with it carefully when bringing out God's Love in this account.

The above scripture is powerful, it shows the mind of God for everything He created that He wants them to be alive, virile and healthy, remain productive all through the years. However, i think that sin has changed the plans for mankind. Famine both in the spirit and physical have led to a total change in the plan. I don't know if this scripture is being practiced anywhere again in the land of the living, it does not alter the plans of God. I sincerely pray that Christians will not be judged by this scripture.

Individually we make plans & projections running through each 7th year of our existence... moreso has dispensation of Grace covered the exclusion from living this scripture?

In Exodus 23:10,11, we read: "And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard."

This seventh year of rest was based on the sabbath rest commanded to Israel, whereby they worked for six days & rested on the seventh for the recuperation of mind & body. Likewise, the land was to be 'rested' (i.e. no plowing, seeding or harvesting), & whatever grew from the previous year's harvest, from the rains, were not to be harvested, but left for the poor to gather for themselves & as food for the wild animals. In this way also, it gave the soil time to rejuvenate & to not always be depleted of its nutrients. Today, farmers use crop rotation or a multiple field rotation so that the land remains healthy & productive.

You can read about Moses in the Book of Exodus. He was first a shepherd, but God had called him to be the one to lead His people (the Israelites) out of Egypt, who were in bondage/slaves to Pharaoh, king of Egypt. Moses gave all sorts of excuses why he shouldn't be the one for the job, even that he was a 'stutterer' (one of slow speech/tongue) so couldn't express himself clearly to Pharaoh. So even here God appointed Moses' brother, Aaron, to do the speaking.

Anthony, this is an exciting Book to read, so will not write more & let you read about the mighty Hand of God at work on the behalf of His people. And the same God Who works mightily on our behalf, to those who call upon His Name.

Who was moses?

Thank you.

To Lou - continuation to my answer.

Question: Why do we have to do - confession of our sins, repent or turn away from sins often? To keep us holy, without sins. Why? Because sins grieve the Holy Spirit in our hearts, which guides, direct us to do what is right and pleasing to God. As Christians we go through trials, problems - God uses this to purge us from our prideful self, selfish human desires, so that God can merge his Holy Spirit with our human spirit - molding us to become in the image and likeness of our Lord Jesus.

God loves us, doesn't want to lose us to Satan, until Jesus come again for the 2nd time - to bring us to heaven - eternal life with Him.

If and when we fail to do this - sins separate us from God, when we die we go to hell and burn forever. This is what Apostle Paul is teaching in his gospel.

To Lou - I used to be a Catholic myself: this is what I learn. Bread = broken body of Jesus given for you/us to remember Him. Cup = New Testament shed blood to save you/us. You & I do this to remember what Jesus did for us. But prior to doing this make to confess sins & repent. If you don't, you commit a very serious sin bring damnation to you/ourselves. Confessing sin to a priest, a sinful man, not acceptable by God. What we must do is kneel down in private confess directly to God, so God hears and answers your prayers/confession. I left the Catholic church due to this false teachings, I learn this from reading the Bible King James Version. This is the truth, the true gospel of our Lord. I suggest you read the Bible preferably King James Version.



Apostle Paul who was a Pharisee, religious fanatic who persecuted Christians, until Jesus blinded him on his way to Damascus, converted him to be a Christian, Apostle to preach to Gentiles - non-Jews like us, his gospel is teaching us on what to do.

1 Corinthians 11:26 Context 23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lor d Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. 27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Hello brother, as Im reading this Psalms 64: 1 thru, passage what u said last year about our government and attacks on Christians it just happen January 6th 2021,"insurrection", when evil men went to the White House and was lead by our President it was dangerous and violent against, authority, and government. This is the last days, that Christians will be persecuted, and lead by false government anti christ.

Blessings for sharing. Thank you & God Bless You.

Lou, the RCC view of the Lord's Supper or Sacrament is a little complicated. What was a simple meal shared together in the Upper Room by the Lord & His disciples, or when the early Church observed as a meal during which time a remembrance of the Lord was made, has now been modified & re-interpreted in other ways. Those not of the RCC view the Lord's Table as simply a memorial 'feast' to remember the Lord's Sacrifice through the emblems which denote His broken Body & shed Blood.

To the Roman Catholic, the Sacrament is substantially much more. It essentially involves the Presence of Christ & the transmission of the Grace of Christ. Though RCs are able to support these with Scriptures, it becomes a case of how the Scriptures are given & meant to be understood. The same with the Apostle Peter as being the first pope, from whom the papal line succeeds.

You're correct, that each time the Eucharist is celebrated, Jesus is crucified (a renewed sacrifice) as the bread & wine are materially changed, though unobserved, into Christ's Body & Blood. And through this act & belief, fresh grace (indeed grace upon grace) is also transmitted whereby the person is brought into a state of belief that the more he can get of Christ, will be for his greater spiritual blessing & absolution of sins. Your observance of such a belief as being rife with errors is correct. When one sees other facets of the RCC, with its robed priests, incense burning, statues, rosary & many more, they suggest the need of much paraphernalia to bolster or support faith & adoration. However, as we come to God in faith, it must be evident that our faith must be sufficient to approach God, to speak to Him, to expect of Him, to be accepted of Him. Anything else added to this negates faith & brings in 'works', which is incompatible to (justification through) faith & a walk & worship in faith.

Romans 6:9,10, "For in that he died, he died unto sin ONCE: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Hebrews 7:24-27.

Thank you for sharing. May God Bless you.

Hi Lou, I grew up protestant so I'm not too familiar with RC tradition of communion or if there is a difference, but for me as I'm walking up for communion (pre covid) I look at the cross and say a little prayer of thanks to Jesus and for his sacrifice on the cross for my salvation. The actual act of going up and accepting the bread and wine in communion, is merely a public acknowledgement that you believe (faith) in the salvation of the cross and all that it stands for. As in Luke chapter 22 Jesus states that as you eat the bread or drink the wine that you do this in remembrance of Him. I also think that you answered your own question in that by grace through faith and prayer, we do seek forgiveness with God the Father through Christ Jesus. Throughout the NT some of Jesus and his apostles main teachings are faith (believe), forgiveness, mercy, compassion and so on. I hope this helps.

Hebrews chapter 11 Paul explains faith, John 3:16,

Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

What is The Communion Paul speaks of at Table of The Lord? I am asking here because I came up as a Roman Catholic and now after 61 years I am looking at the receiving of a physical communion at Mass as possibly being sin. Why am I asking God The Father to accept another sacrifice each Sunday though a Priest when Christ's sacrifice on the cross was and always will be The Sufficient Sacrifice allowing me to seek forgiveness directly with God The Father through Christ Jesus? Need some help here as I'm unclear at the moment.

Comments by Alex on how we know that Jesus is truly God the Son . We know that Jesus is truly God the Son by his WORDS which are the very seeds of God .Jesus was reproducing GODS spirit the H.G. by his seed ,his WORDS when he breath on them, His breath was his word and his WORDS are his seeds as he says the GOOD SEEDS ARE THE Words of God and he that soweth the GOOD SEED is the SON OF MAN so Jesus is able to propagate very God ( the H.G. ) with his seed as he said to whom the WORD came it made them Gods thus Jesus is truly God the son simply b/c he can reproduce very God with his seed ,I.E. He reproduces after the God kind, he says that which is born of the spirit is spirit. Thats the H.G. his OFFSPRING ,THE GRANSON , That Child of PROMISE that is gonna be born in US via his precious Seed th living WORD. Not the written word but the living Word ,Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the word of God that LIVETH and abideth FOREVER ( The LIVING WORD WHICH IS A LIVING BEING A BABY CHRIST ) Even in the natural, a birth implies a CHILD When they argued which was the greatest Jesus took a Child and set him in their midst meaning they needed to BIRTH a baby Christ in their lives which is the H.G. That Child of Promise . As a lil CHILD is gonna lead US. Its the H.G. our new born babe ,our new innerman that is the greatest in the EYES of GOD. As we have borne the image of the earthy we must also bear ( birth ) the image of the heavenly . The new BIRTH IMPLIES A HEAVENLY CHILD . We are not born from above till we birth that heavenly Child in our hearts. Remember the Woman is giving birth in Rev 12 ,she was impregnated by the WORDS of our lord the contents of the book in the hand of the FATHER that is soon to be opened that contains the words of life the seeds of the SOWER the new covenant . The Woman is th best example of FAITH being bornagain of an incorruptible seed, She had the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen HER CHILD IS THE H.G..

Thank-you, Chris

1 Corinthians 10

For the clarification regarding the cloud of God guiding the Israelites into the promise land by day, and bringing fire by night. To show his people his greatness and his everlasting Love and Protection.

God Bless you and Merry Christmas

Paul was referring back to the old days when the children of Israel had left the bondage that they were in at Egypt, and were being led of God from Egypt towards the Promised Land, Canaan. God ministered to them in many ways, including supplying food & water as well. However, God used a (very large) cloud to guide Moses & the people by day & a pillar of fire by night: Exodus 13:21,22.

And when Israel stopped to rest & set up camp, that cloud from God went behind them & near the pursuing Egyptians, so that Israel had light, while this great cloud covered the sun & gave darkness to the pursuing Egyptians, so that they too had to stop since they couldn't see where they were going: Exodus 14:19,20. In this way, God maintained a separation between Israel & her enemies, thus keeping her safe.

So the point that Paul was making here, was that how wonderfully God had taken care of His people during those difficult days (40 years) of trekking through the desert because of their murmuring & disobedience to God, so the Corinthians also should use that event as an example for their own lives. God had dealt severely with Israel for their sins & so we too should be careful in our Christian walk & live carefully before God, lest He discipline us according to our waywardness & sins. The Corinthian Christians were living amongst an idolatrous people & were being tempted to live by their standards (even as it is today with us), but Paul's warning to them was to beware of living like this & learn from the serious example that the Israelites in their wanderings, had set for them.

In chapter ten of first Corinthians the references that Paul made about the cloud, what does the cloud signify ?

Wesley's Notes for 1 Corinthians 10:24

His own only, but another's welfare also.

People's Bible Notes for 1 Corinthians 10:24

Let no man seek his own. In asserting rights; consider the interests of others first.

Timothy Wayne George Comment: on 1 Corinthians 10:24 10 yrs ago

Let no man seek his own good but the good of his neighbor We should do all we can to make our neighbor wealthy by imparting some wisdom in life that will help him to get ahead The Lord will always bless you when you put the needs of your neighbor ahead of your own That is what the Lord requires of us to do justly love mercy and walk humbly before the Lord When we do this the Lord will reward us with many blessings more than we can hold.

Mishael, for us to read again

it is a simple teaching of carering amoung breathren why u are looking on how u will succeide in life u also seek for the good of orthers

I do not understand vs 24: "Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth."

Will someone please explain? TIA

I found other scriptures. The scripture 1 John 5:7 should be enough. Jesus name before Bethlehem is the WORD.

Hebrews 7:3, speaking of Melchizedek, says: "but made Like unto the Son of God.."

John 1:1-5, 14 clearly shows that Jesus, the Word; was in the beginning with God.

Ephesians 1:4, 9-10

Proverbs 8:22-31

Psalms 33:6, Psalm 2:7

Colossians 1:16-19

Colossians 2:9

1 Corinthians 8:6

Note: the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, declared Jesus Begotten: NOT made.

The sabboth is Saturday. The Jews still worship on this day. Jesus rose on the first day of the week. ( the Lords day.) Sunday. This is why Christians worship on this day.

God didn't promise us that life in Him would be exempt from trials and temptation. But, what He says is that he'll provide a way of escape. Therefore, we win because he has provided a way out.

Yes, God could have still forgiven us without sending His Son to die for us, but then God wouldn't have been the God that we know from the Bible. Why is that?

You know the various attributes of God: He is Holy, Merciful, Gracious, Long suffering, Just, to name a few. Because He is a Just God & requires obedience, any breaking of His Laws, however small, requires a penalty. Just like when we over speed on the road & get pulled over. We can give all the excuses to the officer, but he has to still issue a ticket & we have to pay the fine according to the laws' requirements. God cannot give man a law & then overlook any breaking of it - if so, He wouldn't be a Just Judge. So if we break God's Law, we have to suffer a penalty. And because God is Holy & Just, He can & should expect our total obedience. But can we be totally obedient?

But the Bible tells us that "all have sinned & fallen short of God's Glory (or, we haven't met God's requirements): Rom 3:23. And we know this for a fact - not one of us is without sin. So, the payment of sin is death: Rom 6:23a "For the wages of sin is death". We rightly deserve His punishment of death = eternal separation from God because we have wronged God & despised Him. So in reality, when we die we should all go to Hell, to our deserved punishment for violating God's Holy demands.

But God's Love for us constrained Him not to do this, but how could we pay for sin's penalty? All religions teach that we must try hard to do good & please God by our lives to escape His Judgement - but that doesn't work because we still sin & so how can something dirty (a sinner) make itself clean (sinless)? You need something pure to satisfy God's demands & we have nothing to offer.

Jesus steps in: "I will give my life to take UPON ME the penalty of man's sins" Jn 10:15, Gal 3:13. So Jesus, the Pure, Holy One of God, willingly became our substitute to give up His Life so we don't have to lose ours to the Devil: but only if we put our trust in Him.

Could not GOD have forgiven us of our sins without JESUS CHRIST being made human and dying?

Richard, that passage you referred to talks about Testings that come to believers - and not to sin directly. As you can see, verses 1 -22 deals with testings: Israel tested God's love & goodness towards them by following idols & received God's Judgement (v 8). And Paul gave the warning to his readers (v 9) to not test Christ in similar fashion. Obviously, Israel & Christians do test the Lord, they sin & they are admonished or judged but verse 13 speaks about, not how we test the Lord, but of testings that come to us to compel us to sin or turn away from the Lord. So, it could be through some extreme trial (physical/emotional suffering, loss of a loved one, loss of job, insecurity, persecution, etc.) that comes to us. The Lord allows us to go through it, but verse 13 says, that through that testing, God gives us a way out of it so that you don't succumb & sin.

Therefore, I see this verse 13 as an extra instruction to the aspect of our sinning & recovery: we are tempted to sin & if we give in, we sin. But this verse tells us that in the midst of that temptation, God provides us a way out of it so that we don't succumb & sin. And that way out, is the spiritual strength He gives us, the Holy Spirit revealing to us what we must do, or Him even going ahead of us to sort out the problem matter so that we don't sin as a result. But, if we do succumb, then there is still place for forgiveness but may come at a high price & this experience will be for our learning & maturing in Christ.