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Thank you Alex , your passion for the Word is infectious and I always enjoy your insight .

May I ask , when u refer to the church , which church r u refering to please ?

Hey JC,

You are correct we need to be ready because it will be horrific, this world will change as we have never seen. It will be devastating if people are looking for something that is not coming. If I may point to a few things, you may look at these seven years. The prophecy that was given to Daniel, told Israel the exact time Jesus, the Messiah would first come, and they ignored it. In vs. 24 it tells who this prophecy is determined for. It also lists 6 things that will be done.

This prophecy was determined upon Daniel's people and the holy city, Jerusalem. Will the end times be upon just Israel and Jerusalem, or will it be upon the entire world? The six things that will be done 1. finish the transgression. 2. make an end of sins. 3. make reconciliation for iniquity. 4. bring in everlasting righteousness. 5. seal up the vision and prophecy. 6. anoint the most Holy. Have these 6 things already been done, fulfilled?

If the 70-week prophecy has been fulfilled, how will that change what is taught? Can we be ready if what we are ready for is incorrect?

Just something to look at.

God bless,

RLW

Hi , I have no problem with people believing different things to me so I don't intend to get into big debates with others . I give my thoughts , opinions , beliefs etc and then I move on . If people don't agree with me I'm ok with that also . I have no desire to try and change anyone's mind about anything . God bless you .

Gi Gi...Ty for your carnal Church teachings...But you will neva be bornagain unless you understand he has to KNOW US thats when that good seed is sown in our hearts...iInitiating a birth of Christ in Us...The Son of man, mankinds fruit unto God ....Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God that liveth and abideth for ever...G-G the Churches have been in darkness for 2 k yrs...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin...he has a seed to sow in humanity that y he has to know US...Jesus told that Woman at the well if you knew the gift of God AND WHO IT IS THAT ASKED OF YOU TO DRINK...( Jesus who is God the son ) you wd have asked of him and he wd have given you eternal life...Living Water...The H.G. that is truly divine...our new innerman is the H.G....Jesus himself says to whom the word came it made them Gods..Remember the living WORD is God...Gi Gi you need to be bornagain...But that requires believing in gestation in the spritual realm...Meaning he has to know Us..Gi Gi the gift of God is Jesus who is God the son....Why is it you cannot understand that simply truth. GBU

Hey Rosa,

The first heaven is our atmosphere, the air we breathe, where the birds fly, where the clouds float, and where we will meet Jesus at His second coming. The second heaven is space where the moon, sun, planets, and all the stars. The third heaven is where the throne of God and Jesus, angelic beings, and much more that we cannot even comprehend.

God bless,

RLW

Hey Love of Jesus

Satan is a created being, what does he look like? Isaiah 14:12-15 morning star, translated Lucifer, the morning star/day star is the planet, Venus, it is brightest just before sunrise, 2 Corinthians 11:14 an angel of light, 1 Peter 5:8 a roaring lion, Revelation 12:3 great red dragon seven heads ten horns and seven crowns. There are many descriptions of Satan, but he is a master of disguise.

The horrific almost cartoonish description of Satan comes from the Middle Ages. If the understanding it is covering Satan, Ezekiel 28:14 says Satan was a covering cherub. There are seraphim we see in Isaiah 6:1-6 and in Revelation 4:6-9 called beasts, and cherubim, is in the bible more times, seraphim six wings, cherubim four wings. The biblical descriptions, I believe if we came face to face with, we would faint from fear.

Satan is not omnipresent; he can only be in one place at a time. There are evil spirits and evil angels he controls on this earth, we see in Daniel, battles that we cannot see, Daniel 10. The devil and his evil spirits can affect our life, and it can be vicious, Ephesians 6:12 but we far too often use that to excuse our own bad choices (the devil made me do it). Galatians 5:17

We also have been told, James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

God bless,

RLW

Jeremiah 2:14

Is Israel a servant? is he a homeborn slave? why is he spoiled?

Is there any chance you are wrong?

God did condone slavery.

Boss: does not equal Master

Employee: does not equal Servants

Yes there was "capitalism" people traded things (value was placed on items).

"What would people do back then for work"? (this statement is just nuts).

Do Animals have souls? Do animals go to heaven?

Amendment to charts and art of 3rd Heaven-on Google:

3/4 of them are Muslim charts; or occult charts, etc

Avoid them.

Rely on what the Bible teaches.

Third Heaven

Space & planets

Earth and oceans

Hell beneath all above; is not a heaven; a place of darkness and evil.

All deceased unsaved people are in their graves.

All saved peoples, remains, are in the grave, but the soul and spirit are in Heaven with Jesus.

In Luke 1:46-47, Mary praises God with her soul and spirit. Which I believe that they ascend to heaven at death. The soul is personality and uniqueness. I do not believe we'll be soulless beings in heaven.

Who is the beast?

Revelation 13:1 Russia

Revelation 13:11 China

Amen Gigi.

I read that last night.

Thank you for the exhortation it's definitely something we should keep doing.

God bless you.

My understanding is that the third heaven is the same heaven John is caught up to in Revelation 4:1-2.

The other two heavens are the earth's atmosphere (the first heaven) and outer space (the second heaven). Paul appears to be giving the order of these heavens from an earthbound perspective rather than from an order of creation perspective, since the order of these heavens would be reversed if they were numbered from the oldest to the newest.

Genesis 1:14,15,17 says "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven ..." but in Genesis 1:20 it says God created "...fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." The addition of the word "open" to the firmament of heaven the birds could fly in means there was a different firmament of heaven that was not open to birds where the lights were.

(Note, I believe Genesis 1:14-19 describes objects in outer space as being "in" the firmament of heaven created on the second day to portray them specifically as they appear to earthbound observers within that firmament who use them to measure earthbound time).

Hello Debra:

The Bible does not say it is sinful to drink alcohol, but it does say that drunkenness is sinful. See Isaiah 5:11, Proverbs 20:1. Ephesians 5:18 tells us not to be drunk with wine, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:11 and Romans 13:13 and Galatians 5:21 all list drunkenness or drunkard as sinful.

Because of the penalty of sin. Not His rather ours. To understand go back to the Garden. The first sin was not the eating of the forbidden fruit. That was the manifestation of the first sin which was that Adam and eve believed that God was a liar. The lie He was accused of was that they " shall not surely die". They did and were sentenced to death. Why were they kicked out of the garden? Not because of sin. That penalty is death. The second death which is To be un existed. Can you sneak up on God and take something from Him that He said you cannot have? Of course not. Gen 3:22 states that they were removed from the Garden of Eden BEFORE they eat of the tree of life and live Forever. BEFORE. And from the pulpits today were are taught that when we depart this existence we shall go to Heaven and live forever, or to he'll and live forever, BUT YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE. Jesus took on the sins of the entire world. He died the second death to pay the penalty in our stead. He took to the grave sin and death. When He raised from the DEAD He left behind sin and death and now brings us out of the grave of non existence. Now is mankind offered the gift of eternal life.

Thank you JC

Psalm 91 is the hiding place. By abiding in the Lord, you will be sheltered.

Good Morning Suze,

By your invitation, I will share my view. I believe that Satan is an actual created spiritual being, not a name for temptation.

We are tempted by Satan or one of his fallen angels to sin. These use our weaknesses to tempt us.

James also says that we tempt ourselves.

"But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is full-gown, brings forth death." James 1:14-15

John also tells us that the world tempts us.

"For all that is in the world-the lust of the flesh, the list of the eyes, and the pride of life-is not of the Father but of this world."

1John 2:16

Satan was Jesus' tempter in the desert where Jesus fasted for 40 days. The two had conversations. It was not Jesus haing conversation with Himself, but a conversation between two beings.

God said not to eat from the Two Trees, he forbad them to. Love means simple obedience.

In our hearts most know the things that God does not approve of. Choosing obedience does not involve feelings. We choose God over feelings and temptations. Choosing Him almost always brings immediate rewards.

I learned God helps us to see "the ditches", before we fall into one.

There are many artist renderings on Google you can look at, first. Just search:

"the Three Heavens, art or charts"

Then come back to the Bible and use the SEARCH engine, and type in: first heaven, third heaven, scriptures. Read all of those to Prove the Truth.

Not all art or charts are equal.

When Jesus was traveling with his disciples and others who were following him to hear his words;

Jesus would withdraw a ways from the group to pray and fellowship with the Father.

We have to do that too. Make quiet time to spend it with Jesus. And through Him, the gift he gave us; the Holy Spirit.

Chaos is a name of Satan. It takes effort to maintain peaceful moments in our every day lives. If you desire more of Jesus (through Holy Spirit) apart from regular church fellowship; you can create other ways to sit in his presence and listen.

Turn off the tv and phone for an hour. Open your Bible and read from Psalms and Proverbs. Read slow to pick up on the hidden pieces of gold that the Holy Spirit will show you.

The more scripture you take into your heart, the more the Holy Spirit has, to bring to your conscious mind, as He ministers to you. Holy Spirit joins you Jesus's mind. That's how it works. It is a moment of WOW, you might want to keep a journal on that for later.

I use praise music other times to bring me into His presence. God inhabits our praise. Angels hearken to the spoken or sung, Words of God. Malachi 3:16-18, an angel records our spoken praise of God in a Book.

With some shame, I'll say The Lord had ti wean me off of hard rock, disco, country beer music, etc. Praise music was hard. Someone gave me a tape of John Michael Talbot, "Troubadour of the Great King." I learned that everything in creation gives its praise to the Lord. Only man has choice to praise, or Not praise.

It depends on us. Do we desire to sit before the Lord and just praise Him; in quoting a Psalm, or in singing along in song. The more we are aware of the Living God in our lives, the more our joy grows. When our mind agrees with the Word, in meaning and and in song:

We move from glory to glory.

We are Not Limited on how much we love Jesus, or How to love Jesus. Everybody loves differently.

I chose full bore, head on. God bless you.

It is a lonely world; for many are called, but few are chosen. God's grace and peace unto you.

Gen. 22 : 15 and Hebrews 6 : 13 ..All this Bornagain Doctrine was in the mind of God when he made that great Promise of the multiplication of Christ Jesus. This is where all the SON OF MAN Doctrine got started. AS the only way Christ can be Multiplied as the stars of heaven is unless he goes forth to sow his precious seed in Humanity..The field being the world,..As Jeremiah saw all the world in travail and birth pains...27 Times in the O.T. the Prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains...This is where all the Son of MAN doctrine got started..Isaiah knew that the Kingdom wd have to come as a lil Child...Thats y he was saying unto us a Child is born unto us son is given A heavenly Birth..But all this Son of Man doctrine was wrapped up in the New Covenant of Jeremiah a birthing covenant..I will KNOW THEM ALL..THIS KNOW THEM ALL IS AN INTIMACY that is gonna result in a Birth of Christ in Humanity...Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN..Meaning mankind ( the Woman ) The only way Spirits can be born...Is by his seed the word Resulting in the multiplcation of very God,..Remember God swore by his very self when he made that Promise..Thus there is gonna be an Israel of God which is the multiplication of very God in Us sinners..They that be whole need not a physician but they that are sick..Thats the world..The Woman..Us sinners...Woman thou art loosed...God so loved the world..Be ye perfect as your FATHER in heaven is perfect...Thus the need for a new Covenant..Which is the book Jesus wrote with his own blood...Its only by the words of the book that Jesus can do the will of his FATHER...(Sow that good seed IN THE HEARTS OF HUMANITY )...In the volume of the book it is Written of mi I delight to do thy will O GOD...The words of the book contain the words of life...His Blood...But the written words does not contain any blood...only his voice the living words contain his blood.. written words has been molested but the living words cannot be molested

Wich are the first,second,and third heaven

this is amazing

This kind of speculation has no support in the text. As I have mentioned the text clearly states that Adam knew his wife and Eve conceived Cain, but it omits both of these facts in the case of Able. There is no language saying Satan knew Eve or that Eve conceived by Satan in the case of Cain and what is said logically excludes that possibility. Cain is definitely the product of natural impregnation by Adam and normal conception by Eve. Able, however isn't.

If anthing, the more logical conclusion is to say that Able is an identical twin of Cain, since in that situation literally there would have been no second impregnation by Adam nor would Eve have conceived a second time in order to bare Able. Instead God by the Holy Spirit mysteriously intervened by creating a division and second birth in what otherwise would have been a single individual. A creative act akin to the divisions in the first three days of creation. The idea that they are identical twins in outward appearance would also fit the fact that by outward appearance no one can distinguish those born of the flesh from those born of the spirit, only from their fruits. The difference between them would have been purely the work of the Spirit in dividing and separating Able from Cain to become the second birth.

If Satan is the father of Cain and Adam is the father of Able we quickly fall to heresy in multiple ways. It says that evil like Cains requires special actions by Satan that anyone can deny applies to themselves, rather than that Cain is humanity in its natural state after the fall by normal birth from Adam. It compounds that by implying that anyone naturally born of Adam is actually good like Able and in that state is fully capable of fulfilling God's requirements and perhaps even guaranteed to have the Spirit work in them unless they do a new evil. In effect they don't need Christ to save them, they can do it themselves. Both are heresies unsupported by the text the church rejected

Everytime Jesus refered to himself as the Son of Man he was trying to tell them something about Salvation via a New Birth via his seed the word...If there were a bank in heaven the secret passwords wd be the SON OF MAN...That originated from the very Father when he swore about multiplication of Christ Jesus...Thus mankind is gonna have a baby Christ...Thats what the H.G. is mankinds fruit unto God via the seed of Christ...As Romans 7 : 4...Says we must be married to Christ and bring forth fruit unto God...and that fruit unto God is the H.G. the Child of Promise...Why is the H.G. the Child of Promise ? Simply b/c the H.G. is the multiplication of Christ, our 1st born our only son as says Zech 12 : 10...Whosoever receiveth one such child in My name receiveth ME...Jesus is not impotent he has a seed to sow in humanity..As Peter says we must be bornagain of an incorruptible Seed...Everytime he refered to himself as the SON OF MAN...He was trying to tell us there is a baby Christ in our future...a kingdom Child...As we have borne the image of the earthy we must also bear ( birth ) the image of the heavenly...Which is the H.G. that Child of Promise..Another Christ born in us via his seed...thus the Child of Promise...as the Promise was multiplication of his seed...Thus the H.G. is truly the Child of PROMISE..Mans fruit unto God...mankind's only Son our only 1st born in the Spirit...That Woman in Rev 12 : 5 proves this as she is giving birth to a Baby Christ...She is mankind thus her Child is truly the SON OF MAN...That was the great Promise...i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven...Thats y Jeremiah saw ALL MEN in travail and birth pains...This lil doctrine of Multiplication IS the Fathers Idea...God wants every man to birth a Baby Christ the H.G...Mankinds fruit unto God,..The SON OF MAN.. The name of the H.G. is Emanuel God with us...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD came it made them Gods...Again this was the Fathers idea when HE swore by his very self.

Whether one holds the pre, mid or post tribulation rapture viewpoint, almost all agree on one thing: there are "seven years set aside by God" for prophetic events. These "last seven years of this age" are commonly called "the tribulation" or "seven years of tribulation." This concept is derived from a prophecy in the book of Daniel. The angel Gabriel came to Daniel and gave him the prophecy.

First, the verses from which the prophecy comes. Daniel 9:22b-23 "O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. 23 At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:" and read Daniel 9:24-27 Understanding of the prophecy.

We all need to be ready

JC