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Ps.12:7-8 "Sign of the times"

"Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever./The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted."

Quality of this generation is mentioned in the next verse. The wicked and adulterous generation. Jesus gave us an example,, "A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign."(Matt.16:4). In our time all we need look on the business section of news media and see how the bulls and bears run amok on Wall street. So much so stock prices become a sign for Wall street traders to to bet on the politics of the nation. It just shows the wicked generations place their soul on such signs that has no foundation on truth. Meme stock of Trump's social media company hits all time high or plunges without the company generating any worthwhile revenue. It is how the ungodly bring down the millions whose sweat and blood for making a seasonable living for themselves and their families are put to serious risk. We are witnesses to global economic meltdown in our own generation. Yet such signs are laughed off by those business czars whose compulsive risk-taking bodes no good. It is no wonder. The wicked are looked up to as men with bold vision and their wealth as a virtue. The vilest men may even write the art of the deal and make bid for more glory.

The psalm begins with a cry,"Help, Lord; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men./They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak."

"Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?" ( 12:1-4).

"Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast."(Is.26:20). "For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him."(v.5)

Giannis,

You write, " Sometimes we may not understand the whys but we have to take it simply as it written. My opinion." I fully agree . It is not an opinion but truth. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD."(Is.55:8). The Bible is the God document and is four instruction in righteousness. When we say we are good by nature and do good we speak from our own view. It is like describing what is above without ever leaving the house. Whereas God has a complete picture. So faith is the only way. Our righteousness is like filthy rags.

Good morning. I am new here and I hope I am doing the right thing by responding to your post that reminded me of 1 Thessalonians 5:23-28 in which we read of our own triune nature.

"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

As we are made in the immage of God, and are body, soul and spirit while being one person, then likewise we worship ONE God, who is also body, soul and spirit and has appeared in the flesh in both the Old and New Testaments.

May God bless his word.

2 Ki.2:21-22 "New creuze of Salt"

And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the Lord, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land./So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake".

Healing the land and healing of nations are held together by the river of time. Elisha having a double portion of his mentor stands now as the double for Jesus Christ. Healing of the land with the new cruze of salt foreshadows indwelling Spirit and it signals a believer as a vessel unto honour. "And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles."( Mark 2:22).

Elisha standing as a double performed this miracle according the word. So his authority is of the Word made flesh. "Thus saith the Lord" is backed by the tag 'unto this day'. Blessings from the waters above the firmament we see at the waters of Marah, "And he cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet."(Ex.15:25) The cruze of salt and tree are thus physical objects pointing out to the cross and the baptism of the Spirit. Blessing promised under the covenant make use of the physical world for a single purpose. To lead a believer to the rest of God. This healing of the land leads to the new earth. The healing of nations is in context of the tree of life and for the saved nations on the earth. "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb./In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." (Re.22:1-2)

Hi Jaz.

I agree with you that our all powerful God can give his spirit to a vessel and make him a sinless being.

But that sinless being

/Vessel would still be born of Adam and can only inherit what Adam has to offer. Death!

Adam was "MADE" a living soul, He didn't become one!

A living soul could never give life even if he was sinless.

Christ was a quickening (Life giving) Spirit. He didn't have to become one. HE WAS, AND "IS ONE"

Only the Son of God can make us Sons of God.

Any other person wouldn't be a Son of God!

Jesus had no Earthly Father.

So we should consider these scriptures to perhaps understand "Why a Son?"

Galatians 4:4-6.

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

To redeem them that were under the law, THAT WE MIGHT RECEIVE THE ADOPTION OF SONS.

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

John 1:12-13.

But as many as received him, TO THEM GAVE HE POWER TO BECOME THE SONS OF GOD, EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME:

WHICH WERE BORN, ((NOT OF BLOOD, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN)), ""BUT OF GOD"".

Romans 8:19-23. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

God bless.

Our Lord JESUS maked this very clear, saying: John 14:1-3

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Matthew 25:31-34 and 41&46

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Get ready-> Acts 14:22

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the RIGHTEOUS into life ETERNAL.( Romans 2:7-11.Take a look)

Revelation 20:4

4-And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them( Revelation 11:16-17), and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The most important thing is to be with Him, no matter where or in what place, the problem is to be cast into the fire of hell.--> Matthew 10:28-take a look.

GOD BLESS

Hi Jaz

I will not answer your question now because it is not that simple and takes time and thinking to do it but I would like to say this:

It would be completely irresponsible for God to take some other person to make Him pay for His creation that went wrong. If Jesus was a mere human being why would He sacrifice Himself? Just because God let the man He created sin? It wasn't Jesus' fault, why Him pay for it? I think you get me. Let me give you an example. Suppose I did some business that went wrong . Would I place the responsibility on somebody else's shoulders for it and make him pay for my failure? If I did that then I would be considered as a crook, wouldn't I? Similarly, God made the man and God Himself had the obligation to save Him, not by sending some other innocent person, or even an angel, to do it, but going out there Himself to do what had to be done. It was God, through Jesus, who created mankind and it was God's responsibility to save them. But He had to be a man as well. Because only a man could represent mankind on the cross. So he prepared a human body for Him and came down to earth on the proper time to save us all.

Simple isn't it? Lets not go away from simplicity. Most heresies do that, they try to dig deep down to a ground that they do not know. And they fail. The gospel is simple, it means what it is written. And in the Bible there are plenty of verses that show the human side of Jesus, as well as plenty verses that show His divine nature. If we want to have a full picture of it we have to take both into account. One can not get the picture of a puzzle unless he picks up all the pieces. If not then he gets a distorted picture. Sometimes we may not understand the whys but we have to take it simply as it written. My opinion.

Dear Jaz

Lest we forget that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh-as you stated in a previous post, He is the Divine Son of God. He has both a divine nature and a human nature, but is only one person, the divine Son who is God. As God, He cannot be tempted by sin nor ever commit sin. But in His human nature He could be tempted by sin as Heb 4:15 says. However, sin He has no sin nature like us, all temptations to sin come from outside of Himself. Although He was indeed tempted daily by sin, His divinity did not allow Him to give into sin because the divinity of Jesus could not sin and the divinity and humanity of Jesus are two natures united in the one Person of the Divine Son of God.

In the wilderness, the devil did tempt Jesus repeatedly trying to get Him to sin in both His divinity and humanity. One of the things Jesus said to the devil in Luke 4:12 was that thou shall not tempt the Lord your God, both identifying himself as the God mentioned in the OT quotation Deut. 6:16 and He was telling the devil that He, Himself was the Lord HIS God. Jesus was God over the devil. He is God over every creature He created and that the devil was sinning against God when He tempted Jesus.

The humanity of Jesus was indeed tested, but in His humanity and in His divinity, He always obeyed the Father because the fullness of God dwelled in the incarnated humanity of the divine Son, Jesus. Jesus said that He and the Father are one and if You have seen Jesus you have seen the Father. Also He said that He, Jesus was to be honored just as the Father is honored, meaning they are equally God and share the same glory and deserve the same honor as God. ( John 10:30; John 14:19: John 5:23)

Jesus' humanity was filled with the Spirit without measure, His divinity had all the fullness of the Father and the Spirit as the divine Son in unity of the Godhead. No human is like that and every mere human has a sinful nature (not Jesus) and can still will to sin even with the fullness of the Spirit

Amen to that , God bless you Lamesa .

Hi Gigi,

We all work according to the grace given to us,- and sufficient unto the day is all we need; and may the Lord bless us and daily be our comforter. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" Have a blessed weekend,

Job 37,13 God uses the whether for correction , his wrath for an evil world, I see all over the devastation that is happening now the fires , floods hurricane s and earthquakes to drive this world to its knees , but they don't hear and they do not believe therefore they do not obey ,

Amen Onwuma, Agreed in prayer with you. You have petitioned well in this request. We all should ask for this in our daily lives as each of us have a ministry of reconciliation to profess to others no matter our calling, profession, or life circumstances.

Hey brother, I agree you can see and feel the signs, still here.

God bless.

Hello Bennymkje

Good post this morning

Like Abraham, we are all sojourners in this mortal life as we await our change wrought by the resurrection of Jesus to new life with new life that no longer will die, decay, or be corruptible by sin. How glorious that will be. while we wait eagerly for that moment, we put on Christ everyday as we live and breathe and have our being in Him even now. He is all to us now and will be all to us forever.

Thank you for the uplifting of my heart today with your post.

Gal.2:20-21 "Not I but Christ"

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

Life in the flesh refers to the body formed of the dust of the ground. St Paul refers it to 'a vile body'. There is a body ("with our house which is from heaven,"-2 Co.5:2) which should make my transaction with Christ complete.. The cross and the nails were real so was his death and resurrection. The nearest thing that I can attain is faith and how I live. All things are possible because of the freedom in the Spirit but it is inconvenient. My faith should not cause a weaker brother any offence. So I ought to walk not by sight as Dinah did, going out to see the daughters of the land, or learn their ways and to taste,- experience what made them freak out in their own inner circle.(Ge.34:1).Is it worth our while or take up their culture?

If Matthias is crucified with Christ is he not interchangeable with other eleven disciples? Simon Peter stood the test by the grace of his Master and nothing else.

The fulness of God is what Jesus Christ signifies. He dies no more. The same blessing is conferred on every believer that has similarly lived so St Paul's declaration is ours as well. This is what Christian Living signifies. "For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life./Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit./Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord."(2 Co.5:6) At home in the body refers to the vile body that is subject to onslaught from the wiles of Satan. "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."(1 Co.10:12)

Thanks Ronald!

We may not agree on certain topics but You are my Brother and a dear friend. I know I sound disappointed, I'm heartbroken.

I believe we face critical days ahead and no sheep should wonder alone.

God bless you Brother.

Hey S Spencer,

Thank you, you are a brother as others I have had discussions with. We'll see, have a great weekend.

God bless,

RLW

continuation from prior post

John saw: Revelation 15:1-8:

1-And I saw another sign in heaven,great and marvellous,7 angels having the 7 last PLAGUES;for in THEM is filled up the WRATH of GOD->(Re.11:18&16:1)

4-Who shall not fear thee,O Lord,and glorify thy name?thou only art holy: ...and thy Judgments are made manifest.

Then the PLAGUES start to be poured, its in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week: Revelation 16:2: The FIRST PLAGUE will be poured upon the earth; upon the inhabitants of Israel, and there will fall a noisome and grievous sore upon all MEN which have the MARK of the Beast, and upon them which worshipp his image.

And the 2nd plague will be poured upon the sea;-->sea= waters=> peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of every tongue, GENTILE PEOPLES, and they will become as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul(that was created, Genesis 2:7) shall die.-->As was in Sodom and Gomorrah, and in the neighbouring cities.

The sequence of the pragues and their consequences are described from Revelation 16:4 to 21.Terrible,very terrible, as we can foreseen by the Word of GOD.JESUS warned us: Luke 21:25-28:-->25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars( Revelation 12:1-12, take a look.); and upon the Earth distress of NATIONS, with perplexity;the sea(peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues)and the waves roaring( Psalm 2:1-5);

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven ( Ephesians 1:3-8) shall be shaken.

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.(the same cloud that received JESUS in His ascension- Acts 1:9-11,combined with Matthew 17:5,and 2 Peter 1:16-12,and Isaiah 4:1-6 speaking of the seven Churches as a clue to understand the prophecies).

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Get ready

See,the Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself,self-executing, it's the Power. We are living in the seventh and last millennium after Adam,or seventh and last Day,the Lord's Day.As is written- Revelation 11:6&18-, more Power WILL BE GIVEN over waters,over peoples,and NATIONS,and multitudes of all tongues,understand? to turn them to BLOOD, and to smite the earth with ALL PLAGUES,as often as will. So the OPENING of the 7 seals starts,the first four seals is LITERALLY fulfilled from now on with the appearance/manifestation of 4 horseriders and what each one does and shall do, it is written in Revelation 6:1-8,take a look.One of them works for the Lord JESUS-Michael-,three of them work for the Devil,the MAN of sin,son of perdition;would be them Putin, Xi Jiping and Trump,or other?It is up to the believers to discern and identify them by the Spirit of GOD,they are already moving in the scenary.

OTOH,meanwhile,all Christian believers which were slain for the Word of GOD and testimony which they held from the 4th to the 6th Day(the last 2000 years)THEY MUST REMAIN UNDER THE ALTAR as it is showed in Revelation 6:9-11& Re.8:3-5 combined with Revelation 19:5-10,take a look.

We are in the Lord's Day, time of the Apocalypse, the TURN of the 6th to the 7th Day, the Trumpets starts TO SOUND at the opening of the 7th seal,as is written- Revelation 8:1-7.From now on there will be terrible punishments,only and only punishment, but it is the beginning of the chastisings according to the Word of GOD;6th seal is LITERALLY fulfilled even BEFORE the beginning of the 1st half, and it lasts until the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week of years.

The above described is the scenary to be seen in the first half of the last week, and the 2nd half, how will it be?



The PLAGUES will be poured in the 2nd half of the last week: Revelation 16:2: The FIRST PLAGUE will be poured upon the earth; upon the inhabitants of Israel.

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Thanks again brother Ronald, and apologies for the late reply - had a busy day. On the Ignatius reference, my quote was the shortened version, particularly to highlight the first part, "For our God, Jesus Christ..", showing his understanding of Who Jesus is. And I won't dispute the rest of the quote, as I hadn't made a note of it in my research some time ago.

To John 17:5. That's an interesting understanding of this verse. I'm sorry Ronald, I started writing out a very detailed response to what you had written, trying desperately to align your understanding with what I was reading in the verse, but unfortunately failed at every attempt to make sense of it. Honestly, I kept reading & re-reading what you presented, but couldn't reconstruct the verse to fit what you believe, and felt that I would have messed my response up badly making it nonsense and unintelligible. So apologies for that and I will have to leave it there & thanks for your time & trouble to give your explanation of that verse. Blessings.

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The other point: Hebrews 5:8,9. Unfortunately, I don't share your understanding, as you wrote, "those sufferings brought him to a state of obedience". If Jesus had to learn how to obey, through His sufferings in life & leading to the Cross, it implies that He had times of disobedience at various stages in His Life. We know that Jesus was perfect & sinless; why should these life's lessons teach Him how to obey when He was sinless & always obeyed?

Rather, when we look at both verses, 'obedience' wasn't a trait He had to learn (as how we sinners have to learn how to behave & obey). But He always obeyed His Father, so that when He "became the author of eternal salvation", the suffering He had to endure caused Him to cleave to His Father even more in unflinching obedience to His Will & thus showed His full suitability as a Sacrifice for sin. Obedience was not something Jesus had to learn to do, rather to put His Obedience to a very practical test through sufferings & identifying with us in ours & we in Him ( Hebrews 4:15, Hebrews 2:10,11). So Jaz, you have stated your points clearly here. Thank you.

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Yes Jaz, I did use the word 'clarify', but was looking for your 'clarification' concerning those two statements: i.e. to which one you believed was true and not necessarily for a detailed explanation. Nevertheless, that's not important now, particularly after reading your discussions with GiGi, where you clearly stated that you did not need to further explain yourself, especially to her important questions, which would have helped us know where you stand on this matter.

Ordinarily, if someone told me (as you wrote earlier), "Christ is God manifest in the flesh", I would find complete agreement with that statement, for the Scripture says so ( 1 Timothy 3:16). Yet, in my limited exposure to varying views of people on certain Scriptures, I've found that one can believe that Christ is God manifest in the flesh (as God entering Earth's realm in Christ His Son), yet actually mean that 'after Christ was born into the world, God then entered Him (whether at birth, baptism, or whenever), and so God manifested Himself in Jesus His Son only then. I think you can see the difference between the two, so I (we) were wanting to clarify which belief you held. But I won't press you any longer with that, as you've made it clear that you won't do so.

If I might address your two other points here: "he was different from the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in that respect". I detected you might have been referring to two lambs (an animal & that spoken of Christ). But the Scripture you quoted ( Revelation 13:8) only refers to Christ. Maybe you meant that an animal would not submit to God's Will (i.e. it would put up a struggle to be free), whereas Christ did not struggle and fully submitted to His Father. Yet, the Scripture only speaks of Christ so an animal could never apply in that verse.

I have to point this out brother , are you really saying that there is a limit to the power of God's Holy Spirit ? That's what it sounds like when you say that the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit can't make a person not sin . I'm sure I must have got you wrong on this but I need clarification please .

Ps.81:15 "Haters of me"

"The haters of the Lord should have submitted themselves unto him: but their time should have endured for ever."

Psalmist Asaph labels Israel as "haters of the Lord." Jesus was aware of it. "They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty." This was foreknown and Jesus would quote this to forewarn his disciple. "(Ps.69:4; John 15:18-27;Ep.6:12). "He that hateth me hateth my Father also." Such hatred persisting in this world tells what St Paul warned as to what we are up against. Spiritual wickedness in high places is nothing personal but serving Satan as a proxy. How often we come across the apologists for Israel and bending backwards to justify the slaughter of the innocents in Gaza. Israel has done much worse than Herod in evil. It is all because these simple ignoramuses do not study the Word to their profit. Literal passages are enough for them. There was a cult group formerly known as Ceylon Pentecostal Mission. Citing Ezekiel they were all for Israel reinstating animal sacrifices. At surface they were to assert God cannot go wrong. Where Israel failed God will lead them to prove His ways are the best. Was it their reverence for unseen God or their hatred of the perfect sacrifice of the Son? Their will worship ,-touch not, taste not and see not was more enforced than abiding with Christ. This is how a dead fly like Israel has caused the pot of imposter churches stink.

"Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!/I should soon have subdued their enemies, and turned my hand against their adversaries. "(Ps.81:13-14)

The Psalmist applies the time to the nation and not forever. "but their time should have endured for ever."

God could have done a lot of things but He chooses the Way because He is God and we most definitely are not . He is Righteous and we are not , He is all knowing and all understanding and we are not , that's why God did it this way .

Your first sentence in this post bowled me over . Just by recieving the Spirit , by that you mean God's Holy Spirit ? You don't belive that receiving God's Holy Spirit without measure could cause a state of sinlessness ? I think it could . However , Jesus was still made of flesh and therefore he had a choice . By choosing to resist the temptation of the flesh and serve it , he chose to submit his flesh to the Will of God . If Jesus were God this wouldn't be a choice would it ? It would be a foregone conclusion that he would do the right thing because he wouldn't have been tempted by his fleshly fears or desires to disobey God and come down from the cross . Just recieving God's Holy Spirit without measure couldn't cause someone to live a sinless life for three years ? That's a bold statement .

Ps.82 :6-7 "Ye are gods"

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High./But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

The three psalms of which this psalm falls as the central pillar is composed by Asaph. The v.1 is a perfect statement by the Spirit. "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods." What qualifies as perfect speech. "The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."(Ps.12:6) Everlasting covenant confers blessings to a believer called to be a saint. Unless he learns to be an overcomer which can only be through the grace of the most High 'ye shall die like men, and fall like on of the princes." where you fail all the seven days of the covenant are fallen out of your grasp.

With regards to the princes we have them named in the Ps.83. "For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head./They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones."(Ps.83:2-3)

What goes on in Gaza is a symptom of the spiritual wickedness from heavenly places directed against the saints, "thy hidden ones" and it shall be beginning of sorrows and at some point of time shall reach a critical mass."And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."( Luke 21:28). This is not our but the heathen out there stoking the conflict for their own ends have put their inroads to nations that have been careless in their friendships. It is thus the ungodly world has made pacts with 'gods of this world.' When God standeth in the congregation of the mighty' an horse is a vain thing and as the Psalm says, "An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength."(Ps.33:17). It is time that we quit like men and trust in our Lord Savior from getting entangled in the devil's wiles.

Dear Jesse, I checked the 1611 KJV link on this site and the verse in Matthew in this discussion is written as you state:

Name is written this way and Jesus is written Iesus.

I think as you do that perhaps Momsage has a revised 1611 KJV. It still has the Old Elizabethan English, but some revision were made to the original version several times in the first hundred or so years after it was published. She may not know that hers is a revision, so is innocently insisting that her version is the original 1611 KJV. If hers is a revision as I explained, then I hope the Lord will show that this is so. If it is not a revision, then we have an impasse here and it may be best to move on to another thread for the sake of peace. God's blessings to you, Momsage and KayDee as the Spirit shows you all the way in this discussion.

Dear Richard, my trustworthy friend. If you feel that Spirit prompting you to take a break from posting her, then do so. I wlll continue to keep you in my prayers and I am glad you have shared so much of your personal life because it deepens out friendship, promotes love and compassion, and gives us concrete ways to bring petitions before God.

I do not think that you are in any way promoting yourself here. You are following God being real about the yourself, your life, and your faith. Thank you for your sincerity, deep concern or others, the way you self-reflect, desiring to not think too highly of yourself than you ought. We all should pray to be like that as we are instructed to do so in Romans 12:3. We are to check ourselves to see that we are truly in the faith and to live by it.

Dear Richard, I will miss you in your absence, but will pray that God will lead you back to us here. You are important on this site as are everyone who God has led here. I am learning from you and other, I am also being instructed by the Holy Spirit on how I am to express myself in writing here according to the power of the Holy Spirit and the by discipline of Him and by the gifting He has so graciously bestowed on me to be able to read and write and understand what others say as we communicate with each other in love, truth, and restraint from thinking and saying things we think we know about another individual that only God can know.

All of us on here come from individual life experiences both as believers and when we were'nt; when we have been blessed in a church situation and when we have been harmed, misled, and mistreated; when we work through difficult situations with those in our families and among our friends with the tension between our love and concern for them and our greater love and commitment to God and to the truth of His Holy Word. We can1 always pray for the ability to sort of 'be in another's shoes' and gain understanding and compassion for others troubles. Amen

I will pray God's will is done. Honestly we are likely very near a power grid failure and extended time where we will not be able to communicate this way. My prayer is that we will be able to be effective warriors in light of challenges ahead; and have wisdom in survival under any circumstances as the Apostles did with their backs against the wall.

It seems the Lord's coming is very near and if He tarries a number of birth pangs to come to our nation as well as the world.

At present I will ask the Lord to give guidance to a possible alternate site or some new concept to intercept and destroy things that are aiming to bring down the site. The idea comes to mind to perhaps have a different sites for different regions; perhaps in the US and or other countries. Maybe a daily update without all the threads going back a decade would help?

I am as you may have seen expressed some concerns of late on topics that seem to be causing division among some longer standing individuals here. Answering with scripture always helps as a first response. I guess it is hard to determine where to draw the line but perhaps after several rebuttals that are showing hostility there should be a 3 strikes you're out; or maybe for a month or so that particular thread should be cut off.

Whatever happens I want to thank you guys for the latitude I have been given here and the opportunity to volunteer for counsel when needed although there was only one person you asked me to pray for in that situation. I have probably expressed to you before what I said today that I hope someone makes a concerted effort to respond to prayer requests as well as people sharing when prayer are answered by the Lord I guess you guys can have a prayer request of the day from churches; missionaries or world events as another idea I have.

God bless.

RIch P