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You are confusing two things at least .

1) The Lord himself said Peter was a stone .

Jesus is the Rock upon which he will build his church .

I know by some who take this one verse and build a molehill upon it to justify their spurious claims . But all of scripture declares that God is the Rock .

And you cannot build an eternal church upon a pebble or on a son of Adam . But quite reasonably you can build such a church on the rock of ages .

When Jesus spoke of some saying " lo here is Christ and lo there is Christ ,He was not speaking of Himself

But rather of the anointing . For Christ means anointed .

Those who make claims that here is the anointing or there is the anointing are as deceived as they are deceiving .

For the eternal resting place of the Holy Spirit of God is the Word of God . For John say Him descend-as a dove and rested or abided on the Lord as He came up out of Jordan .

In Noah's day he sent out a dove twice . The firs5 time it found no resting place and returned . The second time it returned carrying a token of rest an olive branch or leaf .

In the Old Testament we read of a number of occasions where the Spirit of God came UPON people .

But it is only in the new Testament after the resurrection we read Hecwilll not only be with you but shall be IN you and will abide forever .

If anyone goes running after the anointing they are going in the wrong direction . No matter what the claims .

They who honour me says the Lord I will honour ..

Honour the Word and the Holy Spirit abides .

Alex1939...Ellix2u I agree with you some what...But we have to birth the Child which is the H.G. that Child of Promise.. but when the book ( that New Covenant ) is opened...We will all travail in birth pains...As Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Its gonna happen automatically after tHE BOOK IS OPENED...We answer to the woman in Rev 12:10 that is giving birth to the Children of the Kingdom which are spirits An Israel of God which is the H.G. God is gonna pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...We dont have anything to do with it as our carnal minds is the very ENEMY of God..

.....This New Covenant is different then the O.C...Thats y Romans 8:5 is telling us ...While we were yet sinners Christ died for ALL of us...Its not according to the O.C... Jeremiah 31:34...God Almighty gave us this N.C. Saying I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...If I be lifted up I will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME...When he took the cup he said this is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it...Which took place on Calvary...I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...What a Covenant, I kiss you my son Jesus...Its all his doings...But there is a Child involved b/c of his seed the words of the book....Ya gotta realize he has to KNOW US..We can only birth this Child via his seed the living word the contents of the book that he wrote with his own blood that N.C...Remember that tree of KNOWLEDGE.

.....That which is Perfect is yet to come on the 3 rd day...I will be perfected on the 3 rd day...Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has PERFECTED PRAISE...Unless you receive this Kingdom OF God as a lil Child you will in NO WISE ENTER THERE. IN... Isaiah 11:9....Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...I will know (knowledge an intimacy ) them all from the least to the greatest...Thus the Woman giving birth to the Children...The babes and sucklings our new heart n new spirit.

David writes the psalm

One more thing in light of the earlier comment is that all the things now are being restrained but seeing what the enemy already controls we can understand how demons will torment people in the Tribulation; and how the angels of destruction will wreak havoc. The seal judgments are going to be most terrible as well as the other judgments; I feel in my spirit that this needs to be a message preached. The sword; famine and pestilence of course comes after the 1st Seal Antichrist is allowed to conquer. I wouldn't be surprised if there was chemical or biological warfare causing death and hell to kill one fourth of the earth. I would surmise that there are forces of darkness that will be released allowing these plagues to be worse than ever; and of course there will be no magic innoculation; etal to mitigate these events. We need to boldly proclaim the Rapture of the church; it will provoke the Jews to jealousy I believe as Romans 14 states; and it will wake many up. It is needed for the final "revival" or countless souls that will be martyred. There are many who think they are ready but are not; some of which I am convinced will wake up in the Tribulation and have to bear fruit the hard way through martyrdom. The enemy has paralyzed many; God determines ultimately who is saved and who is not.

I firmly believe that there are few who are "on fire" in the Lord; most who think they are have a Kundalini or some other spirit that is energizing the flesh and deceiving people to think it is from God. The Spirit of the Lord does NOT appeal to the flesh but makes us realize our sinfulness and utter hopelessness in our own efforts. His sheep hear His voice so we know when we meet someone who is blessed by God; as well as those who are of another spirit if discerning.

Remember; take heart; Elijah thought he was alone but there were 7000 that also followed God and would not bend the knee to Baal.

Agape; Rich P

As to your first statement; I would rebut by saying that the preplanned narrative of movies we are in a sense "victims" of where the agenda is almost guaranteed to have violence or sexually inappropriate material; cuss words and attitudes of unforgiveness.

In the case of the cartoons of course there is not only fantasy but now the increasing amount of "politically correct" sexual gender identification and behaviors for these "heroic" characters not to mention darker and darker protagonists which tend to blur the difference at best between good and evil (or are evil no matter who you look at). In real life; however God can intervene to stop things; individuals can be stopped if the hand of God is activated (of course prayer is very helpful with all these things; breakthrough types of prayer). In the real world God can work all things even tragedies out for the good. There are some movies of Christian source material that bear these things out.

As far as music is concerned I am not going to focus on types of music; I for one am much more concerned about the message than the style. Secular music I do listen to at times with talented people on YouTube. I have found that sometimes the spirit in which something is sung matters; someone can find the musical core of a song at times and it is actually more interesting than the original. Again; I won't try to convince you if you only listen to Christian music; but there is much of the occult symbology; associations and new age type lyrics in so called "Christian songs"; in some sense it is better listening to non offensive lyrics in a "secular band" without that type of imagery.

Perfect love casts out fear. In the Spirit if we are living Godly in Christ then the enemy at worst can be allowed to end our earthly existence with God's permission. Jesus has the victory over all powers of the enemy; but the accuser is always there to make our lives miserable. We need to warn others to flee the wrath to come.

When the rapture happens will the passengers in cars, trains, airplanes, buses, and so on die in a crash if the driver is raptured? Book, Chapter, and verse please. All so I would like to hear your thoughts on the above,

I like you also think that the babies and children would go in the rapture. The impact on the people left behind would surely convince millions to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. God does not do anything such as the rapture unless it has a positive impact on bringing souls into His kingdom for eternity. The mercy and love of God is seen even to the end of the age.

Truth for most part yet the world has a lot to do with our kids behavior these days then you think. We can not stop them from what they experience at school which, to me, is way more dangerous then a movie. Thank God all 3 of my kids have Jesus yet even then my eldest still likes modern music, my daughter likes Marvel movies & my youngest is so scared of the world he wont do anything except eat, sleep & work. Satan & his minions have to much control of this earth & I wish I could do more then pray for everyone. Keep enemies close and JESUS closer.!

Amen and if everyone relied more on Him as we should instead of believing all the worldly evil, things wouldn't be so bad. Prayers for you and yours. He is the only way, truth and life!

SO, THE QUESTION IS.What is it that those, who believe in the natural immortality of the soul, do not understand?

AN ANSWER.They do not understand, how God created man, a living soul, it they did there would be no problem understanding what returned to God, at death.

A common view of the meaning of the spirit that goes back to God, says that it refers to the breath of life. That would agree with King Solomon's statement in Ecclesiastes 3:21 where he said, "the breath of man ascends upward" at death. It is important to know that the Hebrew word that is translated as "breath" in Ecclesiastes 3:21 is the same Hebrew word that is translated as "spirit" in Ecclesiastes 12:7. So, this Hebrew word ruach can be translated as "breath" or "spirit."

It is important to know that Genesis 2:7 translates ruach as "breath." So it says, "breath of life."

The word "ruach" can be translated as "breath" or "spirit." It is translated in the "Old testament," (90) times as "wind" and (28) times "breath"

My apologies. I forgot to list the prophecies from Isaiah that were being fulfilled. They are: Isaiah 53:1, Isaiah 6:10, and Isaiah 6:1-8

Hello Kathleen. I'm unsure why you think that the Books of the Maccabees were removed from the Bible; as far as I know, they, alongwith the other apocryphal books, were never in the Bible.

These apocryphal books, as also the great number of other writings & manuscripts, have been around throughout history and particularly in the inter-testamental period (i.e. after Malachi's prophecy & the entrance of Jesus Christ at Bethlehem). Some of these writings were known to the Jews, but ultimately they only accepted the Word revealed through Moses (i.e. the Torah: the five Books of Moses); the Nevi'im (or, the Prophets), and the Ketuvim (or, the Writings). They never accepted any of the other books. And within those broad divisions, we get our Bible (i.e. the same books as in the Tanakh (the Jewish Bible), but variations in order of appearance, & other minor changes).

So, the Jews rejected the apocrypha & other spurious writings as being the Word of God, from God, & likewise, when the NT Canon was brought together, similar rules were applied, where authors, textual examination, falsehoods, etc., were reasons for post-New Testament writings being rejected. Now some Churches, e.g. the Roman Catholic & orthodox, do accept the apocryphal books as valid, but in mainstream Christianity, we believe that what we have now is God's Word, and that to fully accept these other writings, severely prejudice the Truth, as revealed to us.

Always enjoying kjv bible.

Jesus is Lord!

Always enjoying kjv bible.

Jesus is Lord!

Extremely powerful!

When will people receive the mark of the beast? Now or after the rapture of the church?

When the church is raptured will the babies and children 12 and under be raptured also? Please give book, chapter and verse.

You're welcome Gigi.

God bless you.

Grace is the love of God toward mankind! We have been redeemed by the precious blood of the lamb. Even so, you and I are justified by faith. We must have faith ! I saw a picture of the sheep that was lost and his wool had grown to 70 pounds! He was lost for a while! After he was shaved, He had new life. A new beginning if you will! Not unlike the parodical son, or the lost sheep!

We will fail, we will fall, but we must get up and do it all over again! This is His will that we might know the forgiveness in the shed blood of the savior! Cleansed always in the sight of the Father!!!

You shall know them by there works! They shall say in the last days ,lo He is here ,or he is there! The power of the Holy spirit is the sanctifying power given unto the children, we are all the same in Christ. Satan has no power over the "apostles" who are His instruments, going forth doing His will! Even so you will see more as the days go by! Repent and be Baptised

Ellix2u,

It it okay to respectfully disagree. Reading through your comment, I agree with almost everything you are saying. But do you realize that I am not talking about water baptism?

I agree that we are not saved by works. But is believing alone enough for salvation? I think believing is an important part of salvation, but what about acting upon that belief and surrendering one's life to Jesus Christ and being born of His Spirit?

I notice you did not mention those things. The demons also believe, but will they be saved?

When I said it was Jesus' ministry to baptize people with His Spirit, it had nothing to do with water baptism. Jesus baptizes people with His Spirit. Unless a person receives Christ, and is born from above (Spiritual birth from above), that person cannot be saved.

You have my attention: can you please elaborate on what you mean by "You don't have to go to church.keep the commandments-nor be baptized"

I understand the not going to church part, but not keeping His commandments, nor being baptized?

And again, I am referring to Spiritual baptism, not water.

What do you mean? Elijah gave more power and wisdom to Elias. Elijah's name means "Yahweh is my God" and is spelled Elias in some versions of the Bible. Please explain why this time in scripture is the same today!

What do do u mean "evil Doers"? Should we be worried?

Why was the books of Maccabees taken out of the Holy Bible when God says do not add or take away what happened

I respectfully disagree with Jesse's answer. The Bible is clear on salvation. One must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. John 3:16. It is by faith Ephesians 2:8. The question was asked how to be saved.. answered in Acts 16:30 ."Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved". Every Word of God is true.in Mark. 16:16 it says "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned". It does not say if you don't believe and are not baptizedyou shall be. Damned only that if you don't believe. Another proof that there is no need for baptism to be saved is that when Jesus was on the cross the thief said to Jesus in Luke 23:42. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." So clearly the thief was not baptized prior to his death and it was his belief alone that saved him. It is not of any works.lest any man boast. You don't have to go to church.keep the commandmentsnor be baptized . There's no amount of works or anything you can do to save yourself. It is the free gift of God. All these things are good .. but we all fall short.. and the reason God sent Jesus. Ephesians 2:8. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. It is easy to be saved that is why even a small child can be saved.

Ryan.

Part 4.

Was Peter preaching the same gospel in Acts 2 & 3?

Yes! Peter was preaching the gospel of God's grace to the Jews and the many that had come from other nations to celebrate the feast of Pentecost. Was it tailored to those that where there because of what they had just done in crucifying Jesus? Of course. But it is still the one same gospel. He didn't mention the blood of Christ but he certainly spoke powerfully about the death and resurrection of the Lord, and their need to repent and receive forgiveness from God. ( Acts 2:22-38) It is true that God revealed other 'mysteries' through Paul later (as Acts 2 is only 50 days on from the resurrection of the Lord) but this is simply bringing focus and revelation to the one true gospel. It isn't changing to a new gospel.

The church began in Acts 2 - at Pentecost. This is when believers were baptised in the Holy Spirit into one body. And though the Church began in Jerusalem, the commission to go into all the nations had already been given by the Lord Jesus to all the disciples even before this point. See Mt. 28:16-20; Mk. 16:14-16; Lk. 24:45-49. So later when Paul and others went to the Gentiles, they were simply doing what Jesus had already said to do when He was with the disciples on earth. It isn't something new.

I hope this helps. These arguments have been going on for many decades. The well-loved Bible teacher H.A Ironside wrote a great booklet called 'Wrongly dividing the word of truth' in 1938 that speaks to many of the errors in hyper-dispensationalism. If interested in reading more, you can find that here:

By J Vernon McGee.

God bless.

Ryan.

Part 3.

Now let me answer our critics who say that we who hold the dispensational view of Scripture teach that there are two or more ways of being saved. No, God has never had more than one basis on which He saves men, and that basis is the Cross of Christ. Every offering before Christ came looked forward to the Cross of Christ, and every commemoration since He has come looks back to the cross of Christ.

Is the gospel of the circumcised and uncircumcised ( Gal 2:7) different?

No.

Please be clear on this. There is not one gospel for the circumcised (Jews) and another for the uncircumcised (Gentiles). Look at the Galatian passage mentioned:

Gal 2:7-9 But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised (8) (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), (9) and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

This whole passage is NOT speaking of different gospels but simply who, among the Apostles, was to go to whom. James, Peter and John recognised the grace and position that God had given to Paul and agreed that he should go to the Gentiles while they concentrated on the Jews. They didn't have a different gospel to tell. They simply went to different people groups to proclaim the one gospel.

Please see part 4.

Give me scripture, forforgiveness.

Hi Ryan.

Part 2.

When Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom, He was announcing His coming as King of the Jews and explaining the terms of admission into His kingdom. His miracles showed the wholesome nature of the kingdom.

This 'gospel of the Kingdom' is again preached in the last days during the tribulation as stated by Mathew:

Mat 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Again - this is not a new or different gospel. It is the good news of what Jesus did on the cross and the need to personally believe and accept God's incredibly gracious offer of salvation through faith. There is only one gospel. But there will be an emphasis during the proclamation of this gospel in the coming tribulation that Jesus is King, not the antichrist, and that there is a need to repent and turn to Him because God's judgment is here and the Lord's Kingdom is coming soon! (For example, Rev 14:6-7, 9-10) J.Vernon McGee writes on Mat 24:14

The gospel of the Kingdom is what John the Baptist preached-"Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Mat_3:2). And the Lord Jesus began His ministry with that message-"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Mat_4:17). Also, He sent His apostles out with that message (see Matt. 10). But in Mat_11:28, we saw that our Lord's message changed to "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." And in Mat_20:28 He said that He had come to give His life a ransom for many. But during the Tribulation period the gospel of the Kingdom will again be preached. It is not for our day, because we are to preach the gospel of the grace of God. Is the gospel of the Kingdom another gospel? No, my friend, it is not. It is the same gospel with a different emphasis...

See part 3.

Hi Ryan.

Here's what I believe in.

However not to say that it is right, hopefully others who truly understands have more to add.

Part 1.

there is an element of truth in this but you have to be very careful where you tread here. We definitely need 'to rightly divide the word of God' as scripture tells us but it is easy to go too far and move past scripture and into our own thoughts. There is a whole movement within Christianity that consider themselves 'right dividers' or 'right division' that, unfortunately, leads to a lot of error and division. Instead of 'classical dispensationalism' it often leads to 'hyper-dispensationalism' where people teach that Paul and Peter had a different gospel and/or the Church didn't begin until midway through the books of Acts... or at the very end of Acts like 'ultra-dispensationalism'. Some say only Paul's letters are for the Church! Hyper and ultra-dispensationalism are not true and should be avoided. So to your specific questions...

Are there two gospels, the gospel of the Kingdom and the gospel of grace?

In short, no. There is only one gospel. But there are different aspects that are emphasized depending on when the message is given. Mat 4:23 has the first mention of 'gospel' in the New Testament. William MacDonald in the Believers Bible Commentary writes well on this stating:

While there is only one gospel, there are different features of the gospel in different times. For instance, there is a different emphasis between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the grace of God. The gospel of the kingdom says, "Repent and receive the Messiah; then you will enter His kingdom when it is set up on earth." The gospel of grace says, "Repent and receive Christ; then you will be taken up to meet Him and to be with Him forever."

Fundamentally, they are the same gospel-salvation by grace through faith-but they show that there are different administrations of the gospel according to God's dispensational purposes.

See Part 2.