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Hello Frank. Just responding to the points you raised.

a. both Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper are considered ordinances of the Church, as we see both being received & performed by the apostles & the early Church: Acts 2:42; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 10:16-21; 1 Corinthians 11:22-34; Romans 6:3-5; Acts 8:34-38; Acts 16:27-33; 1 Peter 3:20,21; 1 Corinthians 1:14-16. And since these 'ordinances' were never rescinded during the writing of the Scriptures, the Church has continued to observe them, albeit in different ways.

b. I agree that "being baptized into the Body of Christ is a spiritual baptism not a water baptism"; though both have different meanings. When a person is truly saved by the power of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit resides & takes ownership of this new child of God ( Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:5). The believer enters the family of God by the indwelling Spirit: this is Baptism of the Spirit. Whereas, water baptism is simply a public declaration of one's identification with Christ, which should occur very soon after conviction of sin, repentance & faith in Jesus' Sacrifice. Yet, today this order is rarely observed (but that's another matter). Can a person be water baptized, yet not have saving faith? It can happen. Or, can one be endued with the Holy Spirit & not be baptized in water? Most certainly as salvation comes by a Work of God in the heart & not by an act of immersion in water. But water baptism ought to follow as a part of God's saving Work & due diligence from the evangelist.

c. I don't see that Paul "stopped baptizing altogether". Rather the 1st Corinthians chapter 1 reference you gave speaks about him baptizing only a few, as others seemed unworthy because of their infighting & divisions, but his mission was to preach the Gospel & not be sidetracked with water baptizing, which others could fulfil. So, we would be hard pressed to find clear Scripture that rescinded water baptism for both believing Jew & Gentile.

Amen, "Grae":

Christ is the BODY of his Father's PRESENCE.

We are the Body of Christ's PRESENCE.

Isaiah 63:9 ....and the angel of HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM ........

Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE Spirit (the only life)......One Body (that hold's that Life) ......

Ephesians 4:6 .....ONE God .....and Father of ALL ...and above ALL ....and through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL ....

God Bless YOU, his body.

Dear Nats:

Even if I say Giannis has explained it very well, if you not "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-1. I can only perceived by reading "Nats if Jesus is God" you are still searching if Jesus Christ is God. I would be happy to show you how to be saved and obtain the Holy Spirit. Only then the verses you have inquired about will make sense to you because the Holy Spirit will guide you to the truth.

In John 10:36 Jesus Christ himself said He is the Son of God. If you read the entire conversation between the unbelieving Jews and Jesus Christ they will not believe no matter how anybody explained it to them. It is already prophesied in Isaiah 6:9-10, Isaiah 42:20; Jeremiah 5:21; Acts 28:27; Roman's 11.8

In John 14:28 the situation was that Jesus was about to fulfill another prophesy and that was to die on the cross for the sins of the world 1 John 2:2. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Colossians 2:2-3. When Jesus was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures, Jesus fulfilled what God the Father sent Jesus to do on earth. The mystery is that God the Father is greater than Jesus the Son of God. Remember Jesus came to Virgin Mary from God the Father. Then Jesus has to go unto the Father after Jesus rose the third day so the Comforter (i.e. Holy Spirit) will be fulfilled. John 14:16; John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:7. There is only one God. Romans 3:30; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 4:6; 1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19. Hope this helps and that you be saved soon. Good question.

Brother chris:

and god replies at verse 14, i am that i am-i am

the whole bible is the gospel of the king(dom) of god, the old just a shadow of the new.

what does it mean when god says i am? i am: who are what?

the gospel is: there is only the life of god and truth of god ...... there is only: i am.... the king(dom) in you, his body.

man was predestinated to become the image of christ: romans 8:29

not many believe this, because man has demeaned the gospel of the king(dom) of god.

ephesians 4:4 ....one spirit .......

john 14:6 ..... "i am" life ......"i am" truth ....."i am" the way .....

revelation 3:12 ....and i will write upon him (my body) the name of my god .... i am (put your name here).

so now truth: i am; jesus christ.

i am; chris: the king(dom) in you.

i am: the being of every body.

ephesians 4:4 ....one spirit (the life of god) ....one body (man, that holds the life of god)....

revelation 3:8 ...and has not denied my name. i am (the life of every body)

i am; abraham, i am; isaac, i am; jacob ...i am; the life of man ...all creation is in birth pains waiting to be delivered: the new creation born again of (i am) truth.

1 corinthians 15:28 and when all things (in the ages to come) shall be subdued unto him, then shall the son also be subject unto him who put all things under him, that god (i am) may be all ("i am" life) in all (bodies).

genesis 3:22 ...behold man (the body of "i am") has become like us ....."i am" truth. life and the way.

we have to eat (i am) the tree of knowledge ....it contains both evil and good.

proverbs 16:6 by (i am) truth and (i am) mercy iniquity (deception) is purged .....

god will be all in all: isaiah 55:11

everyone; his children, is going to be called by his name.

god bless you.

The shrinks like to say we get angry because we are afraid. The issue often is when we know something to be right; and people don't listen to what we say. There are also cases where we want something we can't have or are retaliating to someone else's bad behavior.

With anything else; it helps to look at the scriptures and meditate on them day and night ( Joshua 1:8). Obviously; we need to ask the Holy Spirit to remove things that would be roots of bitterness ( Hebrews 12:14-16). The evidence of bad fruit from a corrupt heart is found in the gospels ( Matt. 15:19). Other verses such as 1 Peter 2:1-2 and Ephesians 4:26-32 offer further advice.

I hope you will trust the Lord for these changes; not yourself. I found that after the anger that came from a contentious divorce after my wife had an affair was dealt with by much prayer; and counselling based on a study in the Book of James. (see James 1:19). God can and will give you unconditional love even toward your enemies. That was how I was able to forgive my dad after years of mental abuse; by telling him that I loved him. It is helping me having to live with him now.

Agape..Rich P

Jeremiah 2:13 This verse has one of the greatest challenges facing the Body of Christ the Church of God in the age

of grace even being written to israel or the jewish people in captivity. The evils are forsaking the fountain of living

waters God who supplies all need but also we try to figure out better ways the flesh of by not walking by the spirit

and that is what seperates believers because of different belief systems outside of whats written which goes against

Ephesians 4:1-6 also in Phillipians the main topic is like minded in christ I.E. DOCTRINE. What seperated Jesus Christ

from the other leaders was not what he said His doctrine was with power and authority, the same with the first century

church they not only talked the walk but walked the talk and manifested the power given them. The same is available

inour day and time God hasn't and Jesus Christ is the same yesterday to day and forever. God Bless.

Hello David:

Yes I understood the same way you do. I just wanted to ensure that we saved as many people on this site. That is why it is important to take time to explain based on the Bible. The Book of Acts is a transitional book. Luke did a magnificent job inspired by God writing the chain of events after Jesus Christ died on the cross. Peter and the rest of the Apostles concentrated on preaching to the Jews, but when they have rejected it three times Paul went to the Gentiles. But Jews and Gentiles today can be saved by the mystery of the Gospel of Paul 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We are saved by grace through faith. We are baptized by trusting on Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection meaning trusting on the blood of Jesus Christ. Christ Jesus already went to the most Holiest of Holy to sprinkle His own blood as the Jews did on earth. So anybody today can be saved by that blood. Once you are saved, the mysteries are revealed by the Holy Spirit. We are the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, knowing Christ in you.

Romans 16:25; Galatians 1:9-12; Galatians 2:1-14; Acts 15:11; Roman's 2:16; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 1Peter 1:18-20;

1Corinthians 4:1

Colossians 1:18; Colossians 1:24-27; Ephesians 1:13; Romans 8:9-11; Ephesians 4:30; 1 Corinthians 3:16 and many more I can share. So knowing we are saved, we know the mystery of the rapture. 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Romans 9:1; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Galatians 1:20; 1 Timothy 2:7

Revelation 3:3. We are watching and praying with thanksgiving.

We are on the last days and we want all to be saved. We are here on earth to fulfill God's purpose - To trust God and to do God's will. Nothing of anything good we do. Rejoice evermore! I am so happy to communicate with you David. Have a blessed weekend.

Sister Suze:

When our body of flesh and blood DIES, do you believe we are instantly in the presence of God with the same glorified body that Christ has.

We don't have to wait for the second resurrection, we are the (first) resurrection INTO Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the LIFE also of JESUS might be made manifest in OUR BODY.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For WE WHICH LIVE (being raised INTO Christ) are always delivered unto DEATH for Jesus' sake, that the LIFE OF JESUS might be made manifest in OUR MORTAL FLESH.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....CHRIST IN YOU......

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh (his life, we have no life, we are just CHRIST BODY) in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure (Christ is the LIFE in us)

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth IT (the new creation: the LIFE OF CHRIST) a body, and to every SEED HIS (the FATHER'S) own body (Christ is the BODY of the FATHER).

1 Corinthians 15:28 ...And GOD (the Father, the ONLY LIFE THERE IS) will be ALL (LIFE) in ALL (BODIES).

Ephesians 4:4 ONE Spirit (one life) ...ONE Body (man) ....

Ephesians 4:5 ONE God and Father of ALL .....

God BLESS YOU

Douglas When we look at ephesians 2:1-3 now some people teach we were children of satan. It says disobedient because we

were born seperated from God no spiritual connection we only had the five senses as communication. Before being born again

we were walking Ephesians 4:17-19 as it says as other gentiles walked.

Agapeo ALWAYS One of the most interesting observation in my walk, we as believers are to put on all meekness and humility

not saying door mat but genuine humbleness of mind. Instead a lot of so called Christians have a self righteous attitude

and with unbelievers if you don't believe your going straight to hell. Show me that kind of mind set with Jesus Christ in

the Gospels and I'LL EAT THE BOOK. Now when it came to those in power yes he called it the way it is, but to those who

came to Him with genuine heart to be delivered they got delivered. The way I see it judge not for thou shalt be judged,

and above all walk in love because that's what delivered me. Also consider 2 COR. 4:4 WHO HAS THEM BLINDED the same

god that did the same to me. Bottom line our occupation we plant we water but GOD GIVES THE INCREASE. BELIEVERS

AND I'M SAYING PEOPLE I KNOW tell me how evil the gov. and people in office are well their people and so were we. My

bible says to pray for those in office not ridicule but doctrine. We who choose stand and walk must stay on mark to

not let Gods love in us wax cold Math 24:12 because it was the LOVE OF GOD that delivered us and melted the hardness

in hearts so lets endeavor to keep it soft and as Ephesians 4:32 tenderhearted thats the goal that will deliver oithers if they

choose to believe and continue to make us whole. We already know everything in this world will wax or become worse and

worse so my mind endeavors to think about things above Col.3:1-5 because that's all that really counts.

the gift of tounges is different than just speaking in tounges when I receive the baptism of the holy spirit I had no clue to what was really going on with me, all I know was that I was speaking in tounges as the spirit of the Lord gave the utterance and no one explains to me what was going on with me all I knew was I was filed with the spirit of Christ, and I've been different ever since then, I do speak in divers of tounges in prayer during prayer time at church, God will speak after I speak in tounges if I ask for Him to speak if He would like to, I do this to make sure I'm not in my flesh, because no good things dwell in us other than the spirit of Christ who the Author and the finisher of our faith, all of this is by faith, because by faith we are saved it not by any works, that we should boast., Jesus He is the same yesterday, and today, and forever more, why would He Give His holy spirit to them in the days of old. God is not ignorant about anything He want leave us ignorant He knows in the end time.

Satan was going to explain away sound doctrine, and He knows we must be empowered with the power of the holy spirit, if you have any doubt about speaking in tounges again just ask our heavenly father to baptize you with His spirit and with the evidence of speaking in tounges to see if it still exist for this day and age.

Ronnette I'm convinced if the body of christ the CHURCH OF GOD in the age of grace would walk and believe and

renew our minds to the doctrine reproof and correction of the church epistles and believe Ephesians 4:1-6 it would be

spiritually a new day and time. There were no denominations in the book of acts and what Paul was always spiritually

fighting was unbelief in the body of christ due to people walking by the flesh and picking each other apart instead of

walking 1 corinthians 13. So we endeavor to walk Agapeo which is the highest calling. Love in Christ

One Eighty:

God is Spirit, no beginning and no end, CANNOT be seen, touched, felt, etc.

The Father wanted to be KNOWN, seen, touched, etc., available to the senses.

The Father created a IMMORTAL BODY, and God (SPIRIT, LIFE) put HIMSELF in that Body, and he called that BODY the MAN JESUS CHRIST.

Christ the Boby of God, the Father, no beginning no end, the First and the Last.

Christ, THE BODY, can do nothing of itself, it's the FATHER in that BODY, that does everything.

And The Father sent Jesus Christ THE MAN to MULTIPLY HIMSELF. The FIRSTBORN among many brethren.

Bodies of men, THAT CAN DO NOTHING OF ITSELF, that exist, and does the work, of CHRIST, by that LIFE OF CHRIST. This was all made possible by the death of the flesh and blood body on the cross and the RESURRECTION of the flesh and bone (IMMORTAL) body of Christ.

This is what WE ARE: BODIES that exist, and do the WORKS OF CHRIST; by the LIFE OF CHRIST.

We were put in a body of flesh and bone; FIRST, so we could come to this KNOWLEDGE.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY (man).....ONE SPIRIT (GOD)(LIFE) ...

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD .....FATHER OF ALL .....

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ...Christ in you (his body)

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that WORKETH both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

THY WILL BE DONE

God Bless YOU.

These scriptures really apply to "Believers in Christ Jesus" & all that will believe : He was bruised for our transgressions, Isaiah 53, Psalms 22:16, Zechariah 12:10, John 19, read through the chapter to see Jesus' piercings, for us. John 3:15-21,

When we believe in Him, we become a new creation, 2Corinthians 5:17-19, therefore we try to: Ephesians 4:24, in that we offer ourselves as a living sacrifice to GOD : Romans 12:1,

Revelation 1:7, I believe the weeping & wailing will be because the amazing person Jesus is & the humble man, with His scars who did it, just for us to be with Him, in His Kingdom : Luke 23:32-48, Matthew 26:28,

Jesus sat with sinners: Matthew 9:10-13, Jesus healed, delivered, feed & accepted the people including harlots, sinners, etc. Just read the Bible & see.

Hopefully these are helpful

Job 23:14

For HE (the Father, Spirit, Life) performeth the thing that is appointed for me (the Body).......

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the Father, Spirit, Life) that worketh in you (the Body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY .....ONE SPIRIT .....

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and Father of ALL .....

Not many BELIEVE that the LIFE in their BODY is CHRIST.

Matthew 7:14 Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto LIFE, and few there be that find it.

John 10:10 .....I am come that they might HAVE LIFE ......

John 19:28 I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE ...

1 Timothy 6:18 WHO only (CHRIST ONLY) hath immortality, dwelling in the LIGHT which no man can approach unto .....

John 11:25 I am the resurrection, and THE LIFE .....

John 14:6 ....I am THE LIFE .....

John 20:31 ....and that BELIEVING you might have LIFE through HIS NAME .....

Revelation 22:4 ....and HIS NAME shall be in their foreheads .....

Revelation 3:12 ...and I will write upon him MY NAME .....

Acts 2:38 ....be ye baptised every one of you IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST .....

John 17:21 That they all may be ONE, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also be ONE IN US ......

God Bless You.

Amen Brother Jesse, Great material!

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, WHEREBY YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30.

Often we concern ourselves with what we should and shouldn't do, We don't speak enough on his promises and faithfulness towards us.

Thank you Brother.

God bless.

Sister Martha:

John 4:24 God is Spirit .....

Ephesians 4:4 ONE SPIRIT ...ONE BODY ...

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and FATHER OF ALL .....

Man, born of woman, (FLESH), is like a Beast of the Earth, NO KNOWLEDGE.

The Holy Ghost came to GIVE MAN KNOWLEDGE.

So we can be BORN OF SPIRIT.

God IS SPIRIT, no beginning and no end.

God created a IMMORTAL BODY, and put inside that IMMORTAL BODY, HIS SPIRIT (Himself), and called that BODY, Jesus Christ, the first man, the TRUE ADAM, with no beginning and no end.

Here is a PROPHECY in Genesis:

Genesis 5:2 Male and Female created he them, and blessed them, and CALLED THEIR NAME ADAM. in the DAY they were created.

That day (of that creation), is called the DAY OF THE LORD, the day you come out of darkness into light. You come to the KNOWLEDGE that by the RESURRECTION of Christ's NEW BODY (YOU and I) and the NEW LIFE by the SPIRIT of THE FATHER: we become ADAM, Christ was the first ADAM, before the flesh and blood Adam, we are the last, ADAM, created in Christ Jesus

Revelation 1:8 ... Revelation 22:13 I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.

Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE BODY .......

There is only ONE BODY that can exist in the next age, and THAT BODY is the BODY OF CHRIST.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only (Christ only) hath immortality, dwelling in the LIGHT ......

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth IT (the new creation in Christ) a BODY as it hath pleased him, and to ever SEED HIS (God's on body), God's BODY IS JESUS CHRIST.

WE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST, The Father (SPIRIT) being THE LIFE, of the BODY.

This NEW BIRTH happens when your body of FLESH and BLOOD DIES.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the FIRSTBORN (Alpha) among many brethren (Omega).

God Bless You.

OLD AND NEW COVENANT

These two covenants are as far apart as the east is from the west.

Revelation 21:5 ......I make ALL THINGS NEW ........

In the Old Covenant, LIFE was in the BLOOD.

Flesh and Blood CANNOT inherit the NEXT AGE.

Christ came as a BODY of Flesh and Blood.

John 3:7 .....ye must be BORN AGAIN.

We CANNOT inherit the next age, because we are still flesh and blood.

When this BODY of flesh and blood DIES, it goes back to dust from whence it came.

The LIFE goes back to GOD that gave the BODY LIFE.

1 Corinthians 15:49 ....we SHALL bear the image of the heavenly ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY (Christ) ...

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) ONLY hath immortality ....

1 Corinthians 15:38 God giveth it (the NEW COVENANT IN CHRIST) a BODY as it hath pleased, and to ever SEED HIS (Christ's) own BODY (I AM the RESURRECTION John 11:25)

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

John 3:16 Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the DEATH of this flesh and blood body) BE SAVED .....Delivered.

Revelation 12:1 ...A WOMAN (Christ bride) .....

Revelation 12:2 An she (Christ's bride) being with CHILD cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED (given a BODY to exist in the NEW COVENANT.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man Child, who was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron .....

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this age, free will) and keepeth MY WORKS ( Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure), to him will I give power over the nation.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall RULE THEM with a red of iron, even as I received of MY FATHER ( Psalms 2:8-9) ...

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father OF ALL .....

Christ pour out his blood, and the flesh and blood BODY, DIED.

The Father RAISED Christ's BODY from the GRAVE and gave him a NEW BODY.

A Flesh and Bone BODY, the blood no longer the LIFE; but, the LIFE was SPIRIT.

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT (LIFE) ....

God Bless ALL.

GOD IS LIFE and LIFE IS GOD

The BODY is only a vessel that holds THE LIFE OF GOD.

When the body DIES (the wages of sin is death: Romans 6:23) it returns to the dust from whence it came.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 ALL go unto one place; for all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Job 34:15 ALL FLESH shall perish together and man shall turn again into dust.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (LIFE) shall return unto God who gave it.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE SPIRIT .....one LIFE

1 Corinthians 15:38 For God giveth it (the new creation, YOU, Christ resurrected) a body as it hath pleased him, and to every SEED his (Christ's) own BODY.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY ....

HELL (Hades) is the grave, where men, the dust of the earth go.

The NEW MAN goes to the presence of God, the Father. as the BODY of Christ resurrected.

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and FATHER OF ALL .......

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he (the new creation) who hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.

Matthew 16:24 .....DENY YOURSELF ......

Colossians 1:27 .....this mystery ......CHRIST IN YOU ..... you the body (of Christ).

John 17:21 That they (new creation) may be ONE, as thou Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they (new creation) may be ONE IN US ....

Revelation 12:2 And SHE (the church, Christ's bride) being with child (the new man) cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to BE DELIVERED.

Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the death of this body of flesh) BE SAVED ....... DELIVERED.

May God give us eyes to see and ears to hear.

God BLESS.

I wished to elaborate as I have previously on this subject. The scriptures indicate what Christ did; while his body was in the grave and His Spirit went to the lower parts of the earth. First off; since He created all things and His work was finished when He died on the cross; He was certainly NOT suffering in hell. (Sorry the point is too important not to shout). Those who would proclaim such things are in grievous error. The scriptures indicate that He said to the thief on the cross "Today you shall be with me in Paradise." ( Luke 23:43). However; 3 days later scriptures indicate that captivity was made captive ( Psalm 68:18 says it best; it also is stated in Ephesians 4:8 and a few other places). Thus; the bodies of some saints after the Resurrection came out of their graves ( Matthew 27:52-3) and the souls of men now all go to heaven who are saved; while those lost only go to the torment section of Sheol. ( 2 Cor. 5:6). The message therefore was a declaration of victory; to the Nephilim who were bound up already for their particular sin of fornication with women ( 2 Peter 2:4) as well as to the rest of those human souls in darkness. See also Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27

This is somewhat similar to the message that will come out in the Tribulation. The Rapture may be hid to some; but the graves being opened up worldwide surely will NOT be able to be hidden. Clearly; by the sixth seal there will be no atheists. Thus; no Gospel message will be necessary to explain to the world that Jesus is Lord; but a declaration of the Kingdom about to appear on earth; and the judgments to come. In a way these events are characteristic of the end of each dispensation; when judgment is pronounced or at the very least the end of a given Kingdom or civilization when their transgressions come to the full ( Genesis 15:16).

Some teach that based on interpretation of; Isaiah 42:7, 1Peter 3:18-19, Ecclesiastes 4:14-16, Psalms 142:7, Isaiah 53:7-12, Revelation 1:17-18, Matthew 12:38-45, Luke 11:29-32, Ephesians 4:8-10, Psalms 86:13, Acts 2:27,31, Psalms 16:10, but none of these are clearly stated nor defined so. Jonah 2:2,

Luke 16:22-31,

I guess my question is why?

Jesus has all authority: Luke 12:5, Luke 9:1, Mark 1:27, 1Corinthians 15:24, Matthew 28:18, Job 26:6, Psalms 139, Revelation 1:18,

Revelation 20, 2Peter 2:4,

Let's not divide over these issues, James 3:6,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

JESUS is the way, the truth, and the life;

No man comes to the Father,

but by Him.

I and the Father are one

Blessed art thou, O LORD GOD of our fathers:

and to be praised and exalted above all for ever.

Without FAITH, it is impossible to please GOD

Romans 1:17

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from FAITH to FAITH:

as it is written, The just shall live

Romans 12:3

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly,

according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of FAITH.

Ephesians 4:13

Till we all come in the unity of the FAITH, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

this, is every man's walk in CHRIST JESUS, seeking our Fathers Kingdom, from faith to faith, growing in our Redeemer and beautiful LORD JESUS.

HIS HOLY SPIRIT, HE DECIDES THIS!

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I though as a child:

but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

CHRIST JESUS, HE DOES THIS,

HE WHO THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:

now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

What say I then?

Walk in the Spirit and Ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three;

But the greatest of these is charity

let all things be done decent and in order.

We lift our WONDERFUL REDEEMER CHRIST JESUS HIGH ,

and JESUS! LORD and KING,

He DOES draw all me unto Him

Increase in FAITH be multiplied to you, And much blessings also, in the beautiful name of our LORD JESUS

Glory to You a Father GOD for ever , Amen

Gigi.

Part 3.

John said I baptize with water he who is coming after me shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire.

Now, Is Jesus still baptizing with the Holy Ghost? Yes. He does that through the preaching of the gospel and you receiving the message through open eyes and a blood tipped ear. This call goes out to jew and Gentiles, Before the crucifixion Christ was gathering the lost sheep of Israel, The king was in their midst and the kingdom was at hand, John the baptist came to pronounce that. Did Jesus ask the Disciples to baptize the lost sheep of Israel or anyone else BEFORE they crucified him, No. His Death had to bring on a new covenant. The circumcision of the heart. No more a commandment, IT'S NOW A CONDITION. Hebrews 8:6-11. He now put his law in man's heart. "Circumcision of the heart"

and only the baptism of the Holyspirit can do that. In Acts 2:38 the jews was asked to repent, this was very new to them.

Again, this was all Israel.

see Acts 2:36.

Now, everyone taught didn't believe, were they baptized? No, You had to believe. see Acts 8:35-37.

"Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; WHAT DOTH HINDER ME TO BE BAPTIZED?

And Philip said, IF THOU BELIEVEST WITH ALL THINE HEART, THOU MAYEST. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Note:

1 Corinthians 12:13.

Ephesians 4:4-5.

We're put into the body by that 1 baptism and that's the baptism John the baptist referred Israel to. The Holy Ghost.

Matthew 28:18-19. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Do you notice no ask of repentance?

This is beyond Jerusalem. This power is of Jesus, His baptism.

God bless.

QUESTION?

Ephesians 4:4 ONE Body, ONE Spirit ......

Ephesians 4:5 ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Baptism,

Ephesians 4:6 ONE God and Father of ALL .....

What is this ONE?

Is it physical water, or LIVING WATER?

1 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God IN HIM ARE YEA ....

CAN YOU PLEASE GOD?

Matthew 19:21 ......go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor ......

Acts 2:41 ....and were baptised ....this whole chapter is about the outpouring of the Holy ghost ....so it it batpism of physical water of living water?

Acts 2:45 ....and sold their possessions and goods and parted them to all men .....

If it's water baptism, and you are trying to please God why not go and sell all you possessions; also, and part them to men.

Coming to TRUTH is what pleases God.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh in you both to will and to do his pleasure.

The life in you is Christ, the faith in you is Christ's faith, the works are Christ's works, the baptism in you is the baptism of Christ (the Holy Ghost):

YOU ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST.

John 14:6 .....I AM .... LIFE ......

John 11:25 .....I AM ....... the RESURRECTION .....

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he that hath part in the first RESURRECTION ....

TRUTH! ....will set you free!

You died on the cross; Christ was resurrected and gave YOU HIS LIFE.

Colossians 3:3 For you are dead, and your life is HID IN CHRIST with GOD.

ONE ....ONE .....ONE .....ONE .....ONE

1 Corinthians 15:28 .....that God may be all (ONE) in all (ONE).

God Bless ALL.

Amen Shaa Rei:

Do you KNOW YOUR NEW NAME?

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory; and thou shall be called by a NEW NAME, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what he saith to the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW NAME written, which no man KNOWETH SAVING he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 And he that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out, and I will WRITE UPON HIM THE NAME OF MY GOD, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him MY new NAME.

You are baptised into THE NAME OF JESUS.

You are the BODY OF CHRIST.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT .....

God Bless You.

If we would realize how great our God (Jesus Christ) is . According to Ephesians 4:5 1LORD,1 FAITH, 1 BAPTISM. There would not be so much confusion in who God is. There is over 2000 different religions? Why ? There is only 1God 1 Lord 1Faith 1baptism . What I am trying to say is we believe the Bible like we should and stop following traditions. There wouldn't be so much confusion in the Church organization. The confusion should be out in the World. Our Lord is Jesus Christ, Our faith is based on the Apostles doctrine. One baptism Acts 2:38 Than Peter said unto them Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Than we can thank God who he really is. David I really believe in this chapter knew God is one , and one Lord. That's why He had such a great relationship with God before trouble came he knew God. Than when we get in a place of trouble we know what our God - JESUS CHRIST CAN do, He's my Sword my shield,my deliver. I want tell a testimony that happen awhile ago. In a large city of 850,000 people. We went out to eat, than came back to our Hotel . Our daughter and her family stay at one end of Hotel,were the stairs is. My wife and I at the other end. So about 15minutes pass by ,we our about to lay down. I hear a small tap at the door. ,I was by the door already,

I look at my wife and said to her did you hear that ? I answer it ! I said who is it ? This little voice said it's me! I opened the door,to my surprise its our youngest granddaughter . She looked frighten,so we said were's your Mom ? My wife took a look outside the room,Hm no one there. So we thought they dropped her by to get some rest. My wife took her back to our Daughter & Son n Law room. Didn't realize she slipped out. From that moment they were in shock thinking what could of happened. My wife came back to our room & told me that they were all asleep,she WALK out.We gave God praise for his MERCY!

Phyllis,

Thank you.

Sometimes I feel led to answer a question or reply for others who will read the response, seeking answers.

May The truth of GOD, always prevail above all of our own words.

Sometimes I feel led to wait to respond, like on this delayed reply. I don't necessarily remember a discussion in these pages with "Ken". I also didn't want to be appearing as gloating over. I also didn't want you to feel I hadn't received & welcomed your kind words, encouragement & well needed affirmation.

Yes, you're correct. There are some who seemingly have their mind & hearts determined on their own outcome & seek validation. This site I pray will be full of GOD's truth, HIS HOLY Words & HIS Words prevail! I pray GOD keeps us from our own sinful decisions & pursuits.

Psalms 10:3, Ephesians 4:17-32,

Psalms 21:2, Psalms 19:14,

Again, Thank you

Kindest regards

Dear Donya: The passage in Ephesians 4 is one passage; 1 Corinthians 12 and Romans 12:6 are others. Laying on of hands is indicated in 1 and 2 Timothy as well.

When we see the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22 we find something which should characterize believers in our new nature. To grow to maturity; we need to have this going on along with the supernatural manifestations with our character development as well. The fact that the greatest of all things is love sort of sums everything up. Also; the fact that edification of the Body is a primary purpose for gifts ( Eph 4:11-12); as well as putting the fear of God in people ( 2 Cor. 14:22) doesn't eliminate the fact that it is better to have a clear message; as well as the fact that all our works are meaningless; even martyrdom without love. Tongues are one of those tricky issues; I am not a cessationist myself; but also realize that almonst nowhere I've been has there been interpretations of tongues; and certainly not consistently. Such a gift I believe in prayer is for self-edification; and in corporate worship for the sake of others in the Body. Discernment is surely underrated and sorely needed today; but many who are immature or tares ignore the sober warnings of those who can perceive intrusions of the enemy in the midst of the assembly. Building up one another in our society of "rugged individualism" doesn't seem to have much importance; hence we have a prosperity gospel which is shallow in doctrine; and manifestations which often are clearly demonic with rolling on the floor; and other uncontrolled behaviours. Keeping in mind John 16:8 as to the affects of a TRUE influx of the Spirit of God is a sobering reminder we need to heed to. As to Prophetic words; a warning of a famine or death such as in Paul's case isn't exactly a "politically correct" utterance; nonetheless true Prophets aren't out to tickle men's ears. And the giver of the gifts must always take prescidence over the gifts.

this may be a couple of the chapters you're thinking of, there are more throughout the NT

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant."

1 Corinthians 14:1-40 "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."

In which Books and Verses are the Spiritual Gifts listed