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Sorry for my delayed answer but amongst other things there is a time difference between Greece and USA. When here is daytime there you have night and vise versa.
Lets go to faith. In Greek PISTIS. the verb is PISTEUO pronounced PEEH-STEH-VO stressed in the middle syllable, although the ancients may have pronounced it in a different way.
Persuation is PEITHO, the verb is the same, but stessed in the first syllable, whereas the noun is stressed in the last syllable. It is pronounced PEEH-tho.
Now, what do I call faith? I think there are different "types" of faith.
1) Faith to Jesus That is beleiving that God excists and sent Jesus to earth to save people. This type of faith may come from hearing the Word of God.( Romans 10:17. "So then FAITH cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God"). Also by seeing an activity of God, such as a miracle. Remember that apostle Paul didn't believe in God until he saw Jesus. Also in the Acts Sergius Paulus didn't believe in Paul's words until he saw Elymas getting blind.
2) Faith to God's Word, that is trusting God that He does what He promises. A definition of that is in Hebrews 11:1, "Now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"
3) Faith is a fruit given by the Holly Spirit. Galatians 5:22. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, FAITH,..."
4) Faith is also included in the spiritual gifts that God gives to His children. 1 Corinthians 12:9.
"V7. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
V8. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
V9. To another FAITH by the same Spirit; ..."
I don't claim to know God's word or try to be a teacher. Who can actually claim that? I may be wrong, all of us are learning , from our churches, from the communication we have between us ...
to be continued..
Those, like yourself, who believe that the Sabbath is the "day God blessed & sanctified", need to also consider some other questions on this matter.
Questions such as: to whom was this Law (& indeed all Laws), given? What was the purpose of these Laws?
What is the meaning & requirements of the Sabbath? Was it any more than a rest day, a cessation of all work?
Is the Church that is formed under the New Covenant, obliged to come under those Laws (this Church which now comprised both saved Jews & Gentiles)?
When there was an instance in Acts 15:1-31, where the demand for Gentiles to be first circumcised & to keep the Law of Moses to be saved had to be dealt with, what was the response & apostolic decision? I'm sure you know the passage well. Did the apostles ever require the Gentiles, or any new believer, to come under the Mosaic Law?
If the Old Law only brought condemnation ( 2 Corinthians 3:6-17) & had to be done away with through Christ's Death, how is the Christian now able to know & fulfil the Laws of God?
If a believer now believes that he needs to keep the Laws & Sabbath in particular, can he condemn another who doesn't & who has understood the liberty Jesus gained for him to obey, to live, to worship God, as the Holy Spirit directs ( Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:1-4,18,25)?
Just a few questions to consider - not expecting answers, but hopefully to direct your mind to the full meaning of the full redemption we now have in Christ Jesus: redemption from sin's penalty & redemption from the Law's curse. We now obey many more Laws of God, more than what was given to the Jews to obey, & we do so from the continual ministry & power of God's Spirit.
Hello, welcome to the Discussion & Questions section of this website.
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Like Adam said be careful about listening to opinion. This is such a difficult topic, emotionally, spiritually, morally etc. This issue effects society, families, individuals.
1st let's address the effects = Loss to their family, loved ones, friends, community & even the World. Loss of what that person would have accomplished, & what that would have attributed to each mentioned. 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 139,
2nd, What that leaves behind = confusion, sadness, undue feelings of guilt, grief, helpless feelings to those dear & close to the person & then effecting all around them, even extended to people that looked at that person as an example, children nearby, jobs, everyone & everything left, all effected 2Corinthians 3:2, 1Timothy 4:12,
3rd root causes = pain, abuse, sometimes just selfishness, etc. But we are not without hope, Romans 8, (whole chapter)
Hope = Hebrews 4:8-16, Romans 5:1-21, Romans 15:4,13, Galatians 5:5, Colossians 1:23,
Strength to endure = James 5:10, Romans 12:12,
Comfort = 2Corinthians 1:2-4,
Purpose = Ephesians 1:17-19,
People that went through feelings of that but made it through = 2Corinthians 1, Job 7:15, Jonah 4:9, Matthew 26:38,
Direction = Proverbs 2, Proverbs 8, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 24:10-12, Hebrews 4:15-16,
Disobedience to GOD = Psalms 68:20, Ezekiel 18:32, Ezekiel 33:11, Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17,
Hopefully these are helpful
You said grow spiritual by keeping the law? We can't.
Galatians 3:2-3.
Galatians 3:5-7.
Galatians 3:8-9.
Galatians 3:10-11.
Galatians 3:12-14.
Also read Galatians 4. and
Galatians 5.
Jesus didn't do away with the Law.
Jesus took on the penalty of the law that brought death.
Colossians 2:14-17.
In fact it's called the ministry of Death.
Here's a few passages from Paul. at one time he felt the same way you do and set out to kill anyone that followed Jesus.
2 Corinthians 3:6-11.
Romans 7:10-11. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Romans 5:20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Philippians 3:2-10. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Galatians 5:11-12.
God bless.
If you have been born of God's Spirit, you have all the faith you need. There is no such thing as a born-again believer not having enough faith. I say this because faith (spiritual faith) is not something we can produce. Faith is a fruit of God's Spirit ( Galatians 5:22).
It is God's Spirit in a believer's life that produces spiritual faith. We cannot produce spiritual faith no matter how hard we try. We sometimes try, and then we get frustrated, when in reality, all we can produce is flesh.
Something else to keep in mind is that there are two types of faith, human faith (Which everybody has), and the faith that the bible speaks of, which is spiritual faith. In our human effort, we can do things to increase our human faith, but we cannot increase spiritual faith. It takes God's Spirit to do that. Not everyone has spiritual faith because not everyone has God's Spirit. Again, we cannot produce spiritual faith, only God's Spirit can. When God gives us His Spirit, He gives us 100% of His Spirit. His Spirit in us produces faith, so we are never lacking in that type of faith because His Spirit is never lacking.
One other thing we need to know is that the word faith (PEITHO) literally means persuasion. That's what faith is. It isn't something we have to muster up ourselves because we can't do it. It is when God's Spirit in us persuades us to do His will. But it's His Spirit producing the faith (persuasion), because without the presence of His Spirit in our lives, we would have no spiritual faith at all.
So to answer the question "How do I gain faith?" The best answer I can give is to receive Christ, be born of His Spirit, and submit yourself to the persuasion of His Spirit in your life. What is He persuading you to do? Whatever it is, that is the answer. But there's no such thing as a believer (In Christ Jesus) not having enough faith. If you have Christ, you have all the faith you need. You have His faith. That's why the bible calls it the faith (of) Christ.
James 4:10; Ephesians 4:31,32; John 15:12; Romans 12:9,10; Philippians 2:3,4; Colossians 3:12-16; 1 Corinthians 13:4-7; Ephesians 4:2,3; Galatians 5:22-26; John 13:34,35 (given to re-emphasize John 15:12).
If the Spirit speaks to one to keep Sabbath as a rest day, then to that person they should abide - but to another, the Sabbath was not given to Gentiles & any day can be for rest & also for worship ( Romans 14:5,6 & the whole chapter).
Gentile? If you have no Jewish heritage, then you fall under the Gentile category. If the Gentile has not received the Law, he is a law unto himself ( Romans 2:14,15). Of course, all peoples are under governmental law, unless they're hidden away from society. But for both the Jewish Christian & Gentile Christian, the old Law has no more application or binding, for we are now subject to the Law of the Spirit. I don't believe that anyone with the Holy Spirit within them would ever be led to murder, commit fornication, & other sins. If a believer does sin, then he's going against the Spirit's ministry & appealing to his flesh (& this is why Paul spoke of crucifying the flesh ( Galatians 5:24,25)).
Jew? When I wrote, 'Jewish convert', I meant that such a person still retains his Jewish heritage/bloodline, but has relinquished all that kept him bound to his faith (Judaism), finding forgiveness of sins, new life & liberty through the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ. The Jews today still await the Messiah, but Jesus came, but they refused Him & crucified Him ( John 1:10-14). But the day will come when they will acknowledge Jesus ( Zechariah 12:10,11; Revelation 1:7,8). People have in the past become Jewish proselytes, embracing Judaism, its Laws & Practises ( Exodus 12:48,49; Acts 2:10; Acts 6:5; Acts 13:43). I hope that I've covered all your questions; if you have other questions feel free to start a new thread. Blessings.
(One believes in something that cannot be seen or produced - the other is working at something that is tangible - they cannot be mixed together). The Apostle Paul also wrote of this in Romans 11:6 (speaking of the "election of grace"): "if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." God's Grace if freely given as a Gift, as is Faith to believe ( Ephesians 2:8,9). If works are added then it's no longer Grace (& Faith), but all of works. So James is saying that true Faith produces good works - NOT Faith plus Good Works produces true Faith.
You write of obeying the commandments. This is another long subject, but I'll be brief. If a believer is relying of Christ's Sacrifice & obedience to the Law to attain salvation, then again, the Sacrifice is made of no effect. Galatians 5:3,4, "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."
Here we have those who were "entangling themselves with the yoke of bondage" by wanting the liberty that Christ obtained for them & also placing themselves under the Law (which brought bondage & death). It's one thing to consider the Law (the 10 Commandments) in noting God's Rules to Israel for their relationship to God & to others, but if we determine that we must obey them, to be saved or acceptable to God, then we've "fallen from grace". So Sabbath for example, which is a Day of Rest to Israel, not a worship day per se, becomes critical to some Christians to observe, if not, then we would need to take a long look at this matter of Law & Grace. But God has given us His Spirit, whereby we obey all Christ's Commandments from the heart & not by the letter; see Romans 8:1-4. (cont'd)
The Holly Spirit does many functions. One of them is to give you His fruit. And as i know it, this happens when one is baptised in the Spirit and then is filled with the Spirit while praying That fruit love, joy, peace ... described in Galatians 5: 22-23 is not a fruit we aquire due our effords to be like that but is something that is given from God's Spirit. Well as i am not sure we are talking about the same thing I won't go any further. God bless you.
The greek word CHARIS which is often translated in Engklish as Grace means gift. The word CHARISMA (plural CHARISMATA) means gift. DIDo not DIDOMI is a verb, it means I GIVE. DORO (plural DORA) another word in the greek text means PRESENT.
When in greek we say that we get saved by God's grace we mean that salvation is a gift/present, not a wage for good works.When we say that God's grace sustains us we mean that God give us His power to keep going though difficult situations in life. When we say that a person has grace (charis) we mean that that person has a gifted talent since birth, believers say from God, atheists say from nature.
Of course we find the word GIFT in the greek prototype, hundred of times i.e. Now there are diversities of gifts (CHARISMATA), but the same Spirit. (1 Corinhtians 12:4) and so on.
So salvation is a gift from GOD. That is completely different from the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives to God's children for use in church's service See 1 Corinthians 12:1-13. Those gifts (spiritual not natural) work or SHOULD work in church. There is also a difference between Spirit's gifts and Spirit's fruit which is mentioned in Galatians 5:22-23. Those are also gifts but they are something different from the gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:1-13.
The Word of God is simple. I wouldn't suggest that we all learn Greek or Hebrew to study the Bible. Just take as it is.
I don't intend to insult you but some things must put in order
God bless you.
Of course you don't feel happy when you are ill or hurt or when you loose a person you love.It is impossible to rejoice 24 hours a day, 30 days a month, 12 months a year and so on. The verse doesn't have this meaning As i see it it has the meaning to always trust God snd have faith in Him that no matter what problems come into your life He will never let you down. And even if He decides for His own good reasons to not move away a problem you must still trust Him because His purpose is to get us into His kingdom in Heavens. His grace is on us and sustains us when we face difficult situations.
And His Spirit gives us joy. The fruit of the Spirit is love, JOY, peace... Galatians 5:22. So it is a necessity for God's childrey to ask for and get baptised in the Spirit of God. And get filled with the Holly Spirit when praying so to have God's power available when needed.
Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? (3) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
[ Galatians 5:14 - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy Neighbour as thyself.]
He will be dearly missed, and I pray that his friends and family will find peace in "celebrating" his life and KNOWING that he's up there smiling down at us from Heaven.
I specifically request your prayers to go out to Melissa (his daughter), her spouse, and 10 dependents, as she is the only surviving family member, and the burden of making all arrangements for the Service, reception, etc. has fallen upon her.
This is my first crack at sending out a prayer request of any kind. I pray that this is enough information to initiate "The Power of Prayer".
Thanks to all & God Bless,
D.E.P.
The things you say you are lacking is listed in the fruit of the Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-25. It's not something we can manifest.
This may not come by motivational speakers or mere teachings although they're profitable as a seed already planted needing water for edification.
However it takes a belief in who all the scripture is written about. "Jesus". We have peace in his faithfulness, Not ours.
Hebrews 13:5-6.
Hebrews 12:1-2.
Romans 8:28-39.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Spiritual growth comes by feeding, hearing, believing. 1 Peter 2:2.
God bless
Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The desire for Jesus is in you already. The Bible is the Word of God. Like these following scriptures show us: with your own spoken words, ask the Holy Spirit to make His home within your heart, To be your Teacher. Thats his ministry to you. You will know He is teaching you. Open your mouth and speak: "Holy Spirit, come alongside and teach me what this passage means?"
Begin in the Gospels and stay in there until you know who Jesus is to you; what he likes; doesn't like; listen to his replies to people he met on his journeys.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.
Luke 12:12
For the Holy Ghost shall TEACH you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
2 Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must NOT strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, gentle
1 Timothy 6:3-4
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRT
Galatians 5: 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
NOW we see through a glass, DARKLY, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I AM KNOWN. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is Love.
God watches over His Word. We're going to meet people who oppose themselves. Sometimes more is accomplished by praying for them. Heartfelt prayer is always right. Jesus is interceding for US. King David was a man after Gods own heart. His prayers and Psalms will help you.
Mishael
Here's what's important.
Galatians 5:19-26. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, "VARIANCE," emulations, wrath, "STRIFE," seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
God bless.
Satan is a created being, what does he look like? Isaiah 14:12-15 morning star, translated Lucifer, the morning star/day star is the planet, Venus, it is brightest just before sunrise, 2 Corinthians 11:14 an angel of light, 1 Peter 5:8 a roaring lion, Revelation 12:3 great red dragon seven heads ten horns and seven crowns. There are many descriptions of Satan, but he is a master of disguise.
The horrific almost cartoonish description of Satan comes from the Middle Ages. If the understanding it is covering Satan, Ezekiel 28:14 says Satan was a covering cherub. There are seraphim we see in Isaiah 6:1-6 and in Revelation 4:6-9 called beasts, and cherubim, is in the bible more times, seraphim six wings, cherubim four wings. The biblical descriptions, I believe if we came face to face with, we would faint from fear.
Satan is not omnipresent; he can only be in one place at a time. There are evil spirits and evil angels he controls on this earth, we see in Daniel, battles that we cannot see, Daniel 10. The devil and his evil spirits can affect our life, and it can be vicious, Ephesians 6:12 but we far too often use that to excuse our own bad choices (the devil made me do it). Galatians 5:17
We also have been told, James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
God bless,
RLW
The Bible does not say it is sinful to drink alcohol, but it does say that drunkenness is sinful. See Isaiah 5:11, Proverbs 20:1. Ephesians 5:18 tells us not to be drunk with wine, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:11 and Romans 13:13 and Galatians 5:21 all list drunkenness or drunkard as sinful.
My apology as the scripture I meant to use was
Galatians 5:13 rather than 3:13.
May make more sense!
Ty
We are to be encouragers in our walk with others. Having an internet connection is not automatically evil or a dereliction of my faith. With my internet connection I am able to support 8 different ministries around the world. I am able to pray for situations I would not have otherwise known with out my internet connection. My connection allows me to hear and study the Word of God through platforms such as this one. I can hear and sing along with Godly music that lifts my soul. With my internet connection I can earn a little bit to supplement my meager social security benefits and still give to the church and missions as the Lord God leads me.
I don't want to get long on this, so I'll close with this. I'm a retired Christian school teacher, administrator, pastor, Sunday school teacher for over 40 years. I have 5 adult children, of which 4 are in Christian ministry work with their families. (sorry for bragging in Christ name) I have been using the internet for God's work for about 20 years.
I am physically unable to get around as I used too. I currently live with my youngest son who is wheel chair bound. Since the lock downs and such, with out the God given internet I would have a difficult time "worshipping" my God. The Bible tells me that every thing is good, and blessed by the Lord. We are the ones who mess it up, and make it a "dereliction." One of my life's verse is Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh." One of my visiting preacher friends said after preaching "if I've stepped on some toes- good! Live with it!"
God bless you all on this forum. Numbers 6: 24-27. March 2, 2022
Actually our forgivende state is from God. Him Self.
Please remember the 5 comandment. What it says?
All comandments goes up in one in Jesus Christ Holy Name. And its now living in the heart of the beliver. Galatians 3:19-25. It may be better words of this. Love your next/neighbor as your self.
Do u not understand this? Please do for your own sake.
Romans 14:19
If we kill ppl so think att least att those ppl who is left behind. And for your own sake. Today we live becouse God have the last word. Galatians 4:21-31
Galatians 5:16
Man kind can take life, but its not from God. Can we actually kill ppl He have make? Without penalty. And if we undersrand penalty, we go forward to Jesus Christ and ask for forgivnes. Then, He will tell u about sin, grace, freedom, and peace. Galatians chapter 3-4-5. This is the third time i get this word in a werry short time i know u will come to the thruth if u read, its for u. Amen
Love u all in Christ.
Part 2 of 2.
So we see in part 1, There's a distinction in #1) "a Jew in Christ," where there is no difference between them and a Gentile in Christ. Romans 10:12."
and #2) "National Israel."
That distinction of the 2 is embodied in the text in
Romans 9:6. ( All Israel is not Israel.
Romans 11:5. ( A remnant.)
Romans 11:7. ( the election.)
and
Romans 11:17. ( And if SOME of the branches be broken off,)
Brother Dan I leave off with this.
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Galatians 5:1-6.
God bless you.
Thank you for this in-depth study. I appreciate it.
My only comment is to your last statement on this post.
I do not think that anyone on here is really stating that they are trusting in one's ability in keeping the law. I think that this is a misrepresentation of what some are saying on here. Most on here agree that we are made righteous by faith in Jesus; that His work of salvation, perfect life, and perfect sacrifice is all we need to trust in for our right standing with God.
Most on here believe that it is through God's grace that we come to salvation; it is a gift from God and not earned. Most on here believe that being under grace frees us from the curse of the law and the need to try to attain righteousness by keeping the law. Most on here believe also that Paul repeatedly teaches believers to live godly lives and speaks against engaging in sins such as enumerated in Galatians 5:19-21; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:17-32; 5:1-12; 1 Corinthians 6:8-10; 10:6-11; Romans 6:11-14; 13:8-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22; Hebrews 13:4-5; because we are to walk in the Spirit and produce the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus also speaks to this in Rev. 22:14-15.
Therefore. I think it is improper for one to say things that will discourage believers from practicing godliness in their daily lives. Paul taught clearly that believers are to avoid that which is sinful. So, as a believer, I do not wish to covet, lie, steal, be sexually immoral, kill another, dishonor my parents, disregard sabbath resting, use the Lord's name improperly, set up any idol, or worship an idol, along with may other sinful actions Paul spoke against in his epistles, and in the words of Jesus, Himself.
One who is loving God and loving others will not make a habit of doing these sinful things, but only what good that is of the Spirit's grace and power in a believer's life. We are not talking about law keeping as it was required in the OT, living in obedience to God instead of in sinfulness.
Part 1 of 2.
The way you asked the question, "Does the ten commandments apply to all including gentiles?" I would say, yes.
The next question would be, did the 10 commandments slay us all as Paul mentioned in Romans 7:8-9. I would say yes. Because no one has been able to keep the law. Even the greatest 2 Commandments is out our reach without being born again.
Mark 12:29-31. This is a love we can't produce without the Holyspirit being present. It's a fruit of the spirit, and all the law hangs on it.
Galatians 5:14. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:10. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
This is what baptism mentioned in Romans 6 is all about. "Not the outward profession we do in water but the inward identification of the Spirit." which has much to say about the sabbath.
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:11-17.
see Part 2.
Romans 2:24-29.
Verse 25. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Do you see the Dilemma if you take the verse the way you understood it? If we are Jews the way you described it and can't keep the law then our circumcision becomes uncircumcision if we deny the grace of God and put our trust in the flesh! We also would be broken off!
You are attempting to graft into the broken branch rather the olive tree!
Verse 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
This comes at the new birth of the believer and ministered by the Spirit, Not the letter. Its obeying the commandment written on our heart not the letter written on stone. And this comes after Salvation Not to obtain Salvation.
Galatians 5:1-6.
There is the groups mentioned in scripture and they're all distinct. Jews, Gentiles and the Church of God.
1 Corinthians 10:32. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
God bless."
Part 3.
Romans 2:24-29.
Verse 25. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Do you see the Dilemma if you take the verse the way you understood it? If we are Jews the way you described it and can't keep the law then our circumcision becomes uncircumcision if we deny the grace of God and put our trust in the flesh! We also would be broken off!
You are attempting to graft into the broken branch rather the olive tree!
Verse 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
This comes at the new birth of the believer and ministered by the Spirit, Not the letter. Its obeying the commandment written on our heart not the letter written on stone. And this comes after Salvation Not to obtain Salvation.
Galatians 5:1-6.
There is the groups mentioned in scripture and they're all distinct. Jews, Gentiles and the Church of God.
1 Corinthians 10:32. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
God bless.
.....But all this just establishes the law....Simply b/c we are gonna birth a Baby Christ
That is gonna result in a marriage...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child
you will in no wise enter there in....The Child is the Kingdom...After the woman births the
Child verse 10... Rev 12 : 10 ..It says now is come salvation and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ....( THE CHILD )...Thats y he is saying unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child etc.