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Hello John. First let me say that you will NOT fall through ANY cracks; though it MIGHT seem as though you are; because GOD SEES YOU; and HE LOVES YOU; and He will NEVER STOP loving you. People WILL sometimes not be there for us; but that is not so with The Lord. He loves you 'with an EVER-LASTING love'.

I pray in Jesus' Name that your ears will be MORE widely open to His voice; His leading; His direction; to know PRECISELY what to do; what not to do; and to follow the Scripture and BELIEVE it..."Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and turn away from evil. It will be health to your flesh, And strength to your bones." Proverbs 3:5-9.

No matter WHAT comes our way John, ALL of it; as someone taught me; is 'filtered' through God's loving hands. Nothing can befall us that is beyond God's love. The HARDEST circumstances are ALWAYS to show us something. God's love. His mercy. His Truth. His provision. He doesn't beat us up to be cruel; He is not a sinner as we are; ALL that He does; ALL that He allows, is for SOME good. OUR good; or somehow; the good of someone else.

I will share something The Lord gave me a few years ago for a woman I know who was going through a difficult time; including not having family members to show her compassion. The Lord gave me this to say to her; and I'll share it with you...."If you have everything BUT Jesus; you have NOTHING. If you have NOTHING but Jesus; you have EVERYTHING."

And so it is for all of us. I pray you come to the place where, IF you DO become homeless; that The Lord will cause you to see it as a blessing; to have ALL worldly ENTANGLEMENTS taken from you; that you may have Christ and HE ALONE; which is EVERYTHING. I pray you won't feel any fear or abandonment of The Faith; but that That Faith will grow STRONGER; and that God's PERFECT will may done to, for and in you.

To Jason: have trust in our Lord, pray,God knows all ,hears everything,, sees all. Read the Bible,reach out to people that are kind,maybe around in your life,or here.Look @ Proverbs3:5-7,1Cor15:58,Eccles3 .Read Matt. Mark,Luke,& John. Here I am just going on. Do you have a Bible or access to a Bible ? I think most would consider King James version the best . You have to start somewhere. You mentioned that you work construction, I hope that you are drinking plenty of water & some Gatorade type drink to stay hydrated, & replace fluids that get lost with sweating. Sorry but I am a nurse (E.R.)& have seen what happens when people don't. I will pray for you as I am sure others here will also.

Please pray for me I'm saved I've been helping somebody else out for the last 5 years now I'm going to become homeless I'm going to fall through the cracks I do know a lot of people but nobody's going to step up to the plate and I understand please pray for me thank you

Marke, I am very confused by what you are saying. You are implying that one remaining faithful to Christ is somehow comparable to being late to work? You're saying murderers & adulterers can still be assured of salvation? This is free grace heresy.

Galatians 6: 7-9 "7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of THE SPIRIT REAP LIFE EVERLASTING. 9 And let US not be weary in well doing: for in due season WE shall reap, IF WE faint not." It's safe to say Paul was saved & writing to fellow believers. Notice how he says "we". If eternal security was unconditional I just wonder why he said we reap "life everlasting", including himself, if it can't be lost.

And, is murder and adultery sewing to the flesh or the spirit? The flesh! So, you just said we are still secure in salvation if we murder or commit adultery. Yet, the Bible says only those who sew to the spirit and don't quit will inherit eternal life. I just find this logic completely un-biblical and foreign to the church before the reformation.

Just because God's word teaches we must remain faithful to Christ doesn't make us "Legalists". That's a cop-out from the OSAS crowd who don't want to acknowledge we play a role in our relationship w/ Christ. Let's also not mistake "faith" and "works". You can try to twist faith to be a "work" but faith will always be faith. If remaining faithful to Christ is somehow a "work" then one could logically say that one's initial profession of faith is also a "work". Because, after all, to the OSAS crowd they appear to be more focused on their own one time profession than the relationship w/ Christ. Scripture always talking of us "walking" with Christ, and receiving the end of our faith, eternal life ( 1 Jn 2: 24-25; Rom. 6:22). Biblically speaking, only those who endure to the end in faith will inherit eternal life.

Brother Giannis none of this section isn't directed towards you, and thank you for sharing.

Galatians 6:16.

Here's a verse that the replacement theologist often uses.

They combine that with Romans 9:6 and off they go.

Totally ignoring the surrounding scriptures and the context of the chapter, sometimes several chapters such as Romans Chs 9,10,11.

Let's look at the Israel of God in Galatians and the false teachings of some.

Here's the situation Paul is dealing with. Galatians 3:1-5.

You have to include the previous verses to get the context.

Galatians 6:12-16. Paul is talking about the Church, BUT what is often missed is he divides them into 2 groups.

Vs. 15) For in Christ Jesus neither CIRCUMCISION availeth any thing, nor UNCIRCUMCISION, but a new creature.

Vs,16) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on "THEM," and mercy, and upon the "Israel of God."

Notice THEM in verse 16, "Uncircumcised, Gentiles"

The Israel of God, " Circumcised! Messianic Israelites". Children of the promise mentioned in

Romans 9:8.

So you see also in Romans 9:6, Paul is referring to those offspring of Abraham whether Ishmaelites, Arabian, Egyptian, or Israelites.

And those of the Promise, The remnant,

For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Galatians 4:22-23.

Here's the Context.

For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 9:3-5.

You see if you put it in context it explains itself.

You have to twist a lot of scripture to make these passages the Church.

God bless.

In the answers you have received dear sister Melissa, i see disbelief and reluctance. Even if something is true, one can not continue with such a sermon, repent and be baptized! We bear each other's burdens. Galatians 6:2 We will love each other and give each other holy kisses! 1 Corintihans 16:20 It's not about tying hands and sitting in a corner and thanking for everything. You must never forget the gifts of the Spirit. The Spirit is given to each one according to what is acceptable. So i recommend you ladies to throw out the water spirit you have received in your heart.

1 Corintihans 12

James 5:13-16

Here it is clear the saved are being talked about. So there is a difference between laying hands on the saved and the unsaved. In my life I have never experienced and been infected by the people outside the church. Outside, they are not with us in the Spirit, are they?

Mark 16:14-18

Here it is Jesus Himself who gives the mission command. I want you all to overcome your unbelief, it is these words that you must prove dear sister. Seize the day, the moment, and capture every evil thought. Cleanse yourself every day from malicious thinking and live your life in Peace with Jesus and ppl that you hope for something you do not see. It applies to all of us. Romans 8 and 9 chapter. Go out at Jesus' command and look neither to the left nor to the right. Do the Lord's revelation and do not be afraid to live out the Gifts of the Spirit. If I have now misunderstood their answers, then remember that language, words can be confusing if they are not presented comprehensibly. I use google and sometimes it also goes wrong. :) please forgive me.

God bless u all in Jesus Name He loves u, love u in Christ.

Thanks T. Levis. Yes, I looked at the 1611 KJV & the photo page: it is as you wrote.

Re: Hebrews 13:24. It is commonly understood that the Hebrews writer (Paul?; another?) was writing here of those Italian expatriates with/near the author, were sending greetings back to their Italian brethren. If this letter was written from Italy (as per the superscription), then the question: why should "they of Italy (living in Italy)" send greetings to their Italian brethren?

Philemon 1:25: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. (Written from Rome to Philemon, by Onesimus a servant.)" Again, this superscription doesn't appear in my KJV, though I do have it pencilled in at the letter's head, after some research many years ago. Clearly, Paul was the author of this letter, but Onesimus was the penman, as Paul often used others to pen some of his other epistles (some say because of his weak eyes: "so large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand' ( Galatians 6:11)).

Thank you for your research.

The concept here appears to be doing things to be seen of men. The word "reward" can be taken as the consequences of our actions; heaped up ( Psalm 91:8). This is; according to that passage so bad that we will only see it from afar. We reap what we sow; whether to the flesh or the Spirit ( Galatians 6:7-9). What is considered honorable among me is an abomination to God ( Luke 16:15-16). Our prayers are to be in secret; so that we can be seen in Matthew 6:6 that our reward is from God Himself.

This brings up the issue of just when prayer should be corporate and when it should be private. This fits in; of course with the "good deeds" that we do to help others (let not your left hand know what your right hand doeth) Matthew 6:3-4. The whole concept here is not to draw attention to how "righteous" we are through an outer display. That gets into another verse where it states in Matthew 5:34 as well as in the book of James that we are to swear by no name; but simply say yes or no. Clearly; this needs to be taken in context; as covenants such as marriage still are in effect and other such vows. Again; the focus is to be on not being hypocrites who wish to be praised but to glorify God. Verses that indicate we are to bear one another's burdens; confess sins to one another and that in Acts where Peter was being prayed for and the prison cell opened ( Acts 12:5) surely shows how appropriate prayers are given in corporate settings. Many testimonies; however indicate how some old lady was praying for a person when in open rebellion for many years and how they changed. "The effectual prayers of a righteous man availeth much" ( James 5:16-18).

Clearly; it isn't worth seeking praise of men during this short life; which is as a vapor; when eternity awaits. Christ Himself saw the "reward" for His sufferings in bringing "many sons to glory" ( Heb. 2:10; Eph. 1:18). In the end; sin doesn't pay; and all glory goes to God. Agape-RIch P

This section brings the power of life and death to prominence. After Isaiah's prophecy about King Hezekiah's imminent death; the Lord chose to heed to his prayers and add 15 years to his life. He was also going to give deliverance from Assyria for His own purposes as well as "David's sake" (v. 6). Verses 9-11 show the sign asked for to confirm his healing at the Temple. That was a REVERSAL of the sun's position back to where it was before it was in the incident of Ahaz. That was when the sun AND moon were stopped; i.e. indicating the earth's rotation or a more complex reaction of various orbits or perhaps time itself being held back. Of course; now that the sun is back to where it was previously it takes some diligence searching the historical record for this; I believe some have done this. It surely would be as significant worldwide as the darkness for a few hours when Christ was dying.

The rest of the passage refers to Babylon being shown all the treasure. After the Assyrians eventually turned from appeasement to military foe; one would think such actions would be; as the Prophet Isaiah stated-be an unwise action. Hezekiah's character flaw also would be in not seeking God to delay further His diaspora predicted; instead of just being content that it wouldn't happen in his time. (v. 19). This shows short sightedness in general; especially in light of clear evidence of answered prayer. This is why we should always persevere in prayer and not grow weary in doing good. ( Galatians 6:9).

Hi Mary Beth, I've seen people discussing addiction on here before. This is common struggle many people have, but I think many people are embarassed, or maybe prideful to share that, so that's one possible explanation for not seeing it more. You can do an advanced search for the discussion pages and maybe find some.

Some post for different reasons and aren't necessarily looking for help. Some look only for validation and have no intention on breaking addiction or strongholds. Maybe fewer people want solutions. These verses seem relevent: Galatians 6:1, 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, Ephesians 5:11. When compassion turns into condoning or supporting someone harming themself I think its wrong to condone self harm and evil. Our bodies are on loan from God and God's holy temple and we are to treat it with respect and dignity. And if I try the Galations 6:1 approach to gently restore someone, but they have no interest in letting go the stronghold, then I think Ephesians 5:11 applies. If we entangle ourselves with evil we can only cause further harm to ourselves and others around us. We can still lovingly pray for someone, but not put ourselves in a situation where we are supporting someone's self-harm and violation of God's commandments. Not sure what info you're looking for exactly or what specific addiction you have in mind, but that's just an opinion. God bless...

Dear "Rick Castleberry", Your soul is unique and you share your spirit with God.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

If a Christian has tried this. Then we know that when one confesses a cause, sin or distress of some kind. Then that person experiences a liberation. This can be explained by the fact that we carry each other's burdens in the spirit sometimes. And know what a person going through.

Stay blessed and be glad that our Lord is Jesus forever. Love u in Christ.

Dear Harold Hendrickson God knows how a human life will manifest itself, He also speaks of genealogies. So a cripple from birth does not expect full healing. Nor does the person who has contracted the disease from external stresses. So here man will in a way accept his position.

When it comes to mental health, this can be quite a whole study in fact. There are probably some here on the web who have this to learn out.

When one person seeks too be fully healed, one person seeks the Lord in an urgent way. And it must be so that men will be able to see God's works come into force here on earth (pst i did not find the word i was looking for today,: p)

Personally, i believe that the longing to be healed comes from God Himself. For what does a man know about what is best for them? Our dear Paul finally wore the Lord's marks on his body! Imagine that. Galatians 6:17 And Paul had been told by the Lord, "My grace is sufficient for you." 2 Corintihans 12:9

Even i can say i thank God for everything even my frailties. For when i am humble in myself, He is near with His Good will for little me. Its nothing in me who stand against Him who is my King and Savior. God bless us all in Jesus Christ holy Name above all names, Amen

Hello Berder, Glad you are here.

You can read in 1 Corinthians 5:1-13, It addresses this some. Also, see Galatians 6:1-5.

Thank you, Adam. Yes, we cannot fall into the trap of calling good evil, and evil good. We are to love what is good and do it. Paul says that we are to not grow weary in doing good ( 2 Thessalonians 3:13, Galatians 6:9). Paul talks often about the law or doctrine of godliness (which is doing what is morally right) and instructs believers to avoid sinful actions (which he lists in multiple places). So, doing what is godly and avoiding what is sinful is obeying God and His laws. Like David, we should love God's law and delight in it. We should be thankful that God has shown us in His law what is good and what is evil.

I think that many here who speak against doing the "works" of the law do give the impression that we can sin away as long as we believe in Jesus. I don't think that this is really what they want to convey, but in being so intent on promoting being "under grace" these people present a message that is incomplete and does not really present Paul's position in Romans and Galatians sufficiently as Paul repeatedly speaks in these Epistle letters that we are to avoid the deeds of the sinful nature and instead do the deeds of our spiritual nature led by the Holy Spirit.

We who post here really need to be careful and thoughtful in the ideas we put forth so that we do not lead any believer into sin. This comes from speaking a balanced and thorough explanation of law and gospel, as Paul did at length and so deeply in his Epistle letters.

Bro Alex,

Christ died so that we can be forgiven of our sins - period! That is, if we sincerely ask for this forgiveness. If we don't ask - we don't get forgiven. If we keep sinning we must keep asking for His forgiveness. It's ongoing. Remember, God knows our heart. If we are not sincere - he will know it. If we keep sinning, at some point, we have to ask ourselves are we really saved?

Galatians 6:7

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

If we continue to sin we can surely die.

Hebrews 10:26

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

If we are truly walking with Christ, we will be following all of His Commandments!

Read and believe!

There are 27 scriptures that say it was a cross. Only 2 say Pole

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Galatians 5:11

And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Galatians 6:14

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Ephesians 2:16

And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Philippians 2:8

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Philippians 3:18

(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Colossians 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Colossians 2:14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Hebrews 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

*Next 2 verses referring to Jesus

Numbers 21:8

And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a POLE: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, SHALL LIVE.

Numbers 21:9

And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, HE LIVED.

Hi Liz.

Good Question. I believe love is a fruit of the spirit. When the spirit works in the life of a believer it's God expressing himself through the believer. It is not anything you manifest, It's an reaction. However sometimes we grieve the spirit by obeying the flesh.

Now God doesn't compromise his other attributes when displaying love. such as chastening, Judging or his Holiness. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. Hebrews 12:6.

And I believe that also his passed on to a mature Christian.

For instance do you express the truth when another believer is in a fault to restore them or do you compromise the truth and bypass them altogether.

Example: Galatians 6:1.

Speaking truth to one another is a way of expressing Gods love, But is sometimes not received very well.

God bless.

Hi Charles.

The conflict over Israel is not the wrong DNA.

GOD said he will make a nation out of Abraham. Genesis 12:2.

God confirmed a covenant with Abraham and his seed afterwards. Genesis 17:7.

These promises was also confirmed with Isaac and Jacob.

It's the heir of promise given to Abraham.

Down through Isaac and Jacob that is fought over.

See: Galatians 4:29-30. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

The seed that was promised to come that would bless the world is Christ.

Galatians 3:16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

If you study the Genealogy of Christ you will see they're Gentiles in it. Ruth being one. and also Rahab.

God sanctified Israel and gave them the seal of circumcision. "A cutting away the filt of the flesh " Gentiles was considered unclean. but if the wanted to come into the camp and remain they had to be circumcised.

Genesis 17:12. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

TODAY CIRCUMCISION AVAILETH NOTHING.

Galatians 5:6.

Galatians 6:15.

We become that new creature through our new birth in Christ. "Baptism of The Holyspirit ".

God bless.

Hi Charles.

The conflict over Israel is not the wrong DNA.

GOD said he will make a nation out of Abraham. Genesis 12:2.

God confirmed a covenant with Abraham and his seed afterwards. Genesis 17:7.

These promises was also confirmed with Isaac and Jacob.

It's the heir of promise given to Abraham.

Down through Isaac and Jacob that is fought over.

See: Galatians 4:29-30. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

The seed that was promised to come that would bless the world is Christ.

Galatians 3:16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

If you study the Genealogy of Christ you will see they're Gentiles in it. Ruth being one. and also Rahab.

God sanctified Israel and gave them the seal of circumcision. "A cutting away the filt of the flesh " Gentiles was considered unclean. but if the wanted to come into the camp and remain they had to be circumcised.

Genesis 17:12. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

TODAY CIRCUMCISION AVAILETH NOTHING.

Galatians 5:6.

Galatians 6:15.

We become that new creature through our new birth in Christ. "Baptism of The Holyspirit ".

God bless.

Hi Sandra.

I misread your question originally,

That is a great question!! Here's a few verses out those mentioned I believe to be shown the toughest.

1 Peter 5:2-3, 5-6.

V2 ) Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

V 3 ) Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

Vs 5)Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

V 6) Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

HUMILITY AND MEEKNESS.

A lesson the Lord taught Peter in

John 13:4-8.

How do you expresses this and be truthful when someone is taken in a fault?

Example: Galatians 6:1-3. Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual,

RESTORE SUCH AN ONE IN THE SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS; "CONSIDERING THYSELF", lest thou also be tempted.

Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Here's several issues come to mind in the verses you mentioned.

1). Humility: In ethics, freedom from pride and arrogance humbleness of mind a modest estimate of one's own worth. In theology, humility consists in lowliness of mind a deep sense of one's own unworthiness in the sight of God, self-abasement, penitence for sin, and submission to the divine will.

A prideful person wants praise and God's glory for himself. How do you restore that person in meekness without backlash? By not telling them the truth or just ignore them even if they're leading people Astray?

We all have had faults and still do, but we must be truthful and meekness in our approach while considering ourselves.

I believe this is where we worship in spirit and in truth. John 4:24.

God bless.

Dear "Elijah" Paul learned from the Holy Spirit all the time. 1 Chorintihans 12:10 herefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Paul also have a burden to the 2 Chorintihans 12:20 20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

Maybe u think 2 Chorintihans 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.

I'll think that Paul have trials like us. But this angel who God put on him was aways remembering him too stay in the Lords blessing and command always all day and night. At the werry last he tell in

Galatians 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

But in Acts 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

At last Paul get his own place, and could Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

This words may be mixed up by me, i'll think Paul's work was done here in Act's May someone here in the web have another answer.

Paul always wright and describes his service like this 2 Corinthians 11:27

In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Be blessed in the holy name Jesus Christ, Ephesians 5:17-24 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Can you help me understand 2 Peter verses 5- and 6. Where it says add to your faith venture and knowledge amd so on.

Thanks

Brother Rick,

Regarding the word "Gift" verses "Favor" as mentioned in an earlier post, these terms have been interchanged and argued by the biblical scholars and are related to the various language translations. If it is as you say simply a gift, all that believe - will go to Heaven. Not wanting to beat a dead horse, but the devil and his demons believe - are they going to heaven? We both know the answer, so it requires more than just believing, and this is talked about by Jesus and his apostles throughout the NT.

I'm glad that we do agree that "just believing" is not "a free ticket to salvation". So then, it also takes obedience, so we can't just say "we believe" and continue to live our old lives (live in sin), we are Born Again - to live new lives, and we must struggle as Paul states in various scripture. Many do not believe Paul when he states the following scripture:

Hebrews 10:26

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

Galatians 6:7

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Philippians 2:12

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

So if you believe Apostle Paul, we will need to participate in our own salvation! It is not just "a Gift" that we receive - no matter what we do. Many people today pick and choose some of Pauls scripture that will approve their current lifestyle, but they will ignore Pauls additional scripture - if it does not help to confirm their lifestyle. When they hear all of the "feel good preachers" telling them they can keep their current worldly lifestyle and still receive salvation - they jump right on board that train!!!!

All of the scripture tells us we "must believe" and "be obedient" to receive our salvation.

Happy Sabbath Day and God Bless.

Brother Adam,

I agree. The gift that is so freely talked about by those who want to "keep their lives" and still recieve salvation are plainly missguided. You simply can't keep your life, and recieve salvation. It is one or the other!

The gift is really a "favor from God" with the hope that the reciever will accept it - and walk with Christ. If the reciever does not walk with Christ - they do not recieve the gift of salvation.

If we are truly - Born Again - there will be a change in us, and we will want to try to live a Christ like life!

Paul states the following which is very clear:

Hebrews 10:26

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

Galatians 6:7

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

A Christ like person will strive to be sin free, and will produce good fruit/works.

James 2:22

"Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"

So many christians todaybelieve wrongly they are going to heaven no matter what. This is wrong! Here is Paul himself instructing us how to achieve our own salvation:

Philippians 2:12

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

Why would Paul instruct us in the above verse, if all believer's are going to heaven anyway?

There are "no free tickets". People need to read the bible and believe what it says.

God Bless

Thank you ,and i plan to

Please keep coming back here regularly . We all need a bit of extra support some times and there are plenty of kind folk on here who will lend you an ear when ever you need it . Don't give up on your relationship with God . He will never give up on you .

Thank you BROTHER DAN ,CASSIDY ,MISHAEL and CHRISE, i am currently in shock and awe as i have never really expected to hear from anyone.as i tremble to type while wiping the salty discharge from my eyes I thank you ALL from what seems to be left of my heart . Three words in my vocabulary i have struggled with for months know r bitterness, humbleness, and humility.

The amount of prayer for decernment and strength over these words makes me feel at times ,well most times obsessed and sometimes very uncomfortable if that makes any sense , at times I'm an anointed by some readings or some conversation . And it is so so glorious and comforting,however it's very short-lived and yet to always see myself falling backwards into some of the same old thought processes . I am a construction worker so please bare with me as i am no the most tech savvy but i would really appreciate any and all feedback regarding the topics i have mentioned , i am currently inspired for the day while my cup has something in it to fuel me , thanks to all who i mentioned and made this a good day for me .

Dear Brother Jason,

Pray to God in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ. Talk to him, HE will listen, and HE will comfort You. Ask him to guide you, and put your life in His hands.

Isaiah 41:13

"For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee."

I will also pray for you.

God Bless.

Dear friend in Christ please don't be afraid . What ever is going on with you at this time you can be sure God sees you and hears you and knows your turmoil . Try to stay calm and don't make any life changing decisions if you are feeling fragile . Be still and wait for God . Put your trust in Him and He will show you the way .pray to Him with an honest and open heart , doing this is an acknowledgement of Him and His power to heal you . If you have a Christian friend , or even just a person who you know to be a kind soul , talk to them also . Many fears completely loose their power over you if you speak them out loud . Don't give up on God and His mercy , it is new every day . He knows you and cares for you no matter what you think of yourself He loves you and nothing you can do can negate His love for you . Talk to Him , trust Him and wait for the answer . It will come .

Charles Capps was my friend. He's deceased now. Still has a teaching on YouTube, Titled: the Authority of the Believer. listen to it and get ALL the scripture references.

The Dominion God gave to Adam

+ the Authority of the Believer in Christ

= Total Destruction of Satan's Power against

Believers in Jesus Christ.

Satan (as an outlaw spirit) stole Adams Dominion briefly. That includes all the principalities, powers and demons mentioned in Ephesians 6. They are all outlaws since the Birth of Jesus as HUMAN.

The Dominion was given to a human Adam.

By Abrahams (in Covenant with God) willingness to sacrifice his own son, Isaac; the plan was set in motion to redeem mankind through Jesus the Messiah. He had to be fully God, and fully Human (THE SON OF MAN) or, the son of a human.

He set aside His power, to come to earth as a newborn baby.

Jesus appeared at times in the Old Testament as the Son of God. He was in the furnace with the 3 Hebrew children in Daniel. He wrestled with Jacob, etc.

Time rolled onward; And the genealogy Bloodline, until Bethlehem. Mary and Joseph were both descendants of King David. (A prophesy fulfilled)

I'm going to skip forwardif Satan knew what the Godhead was doing, he would've not allowed the crowd to scream "crucify Jesus" and then do it. He was sure that he had gotten rid of Jesusuntil the 3rd day when Jesus came out of the Tomb!!!

We CHRISTIANS have the Dominion, the Authority of Jesus Christ to ruin Satan's plans EVERY day. The Holy Spirit accomplishes the WORD OF GOD coming out of our mouth. "It is WRITTEN"

We've been given everything we need to make satans life a nightmare. Many, many sons and daughters of God using Jesus's Name, His Authority, Dominion, over all the works of Satan and his demons. The Holy Spirit will give us the names If We Ask Him!

We are children of the Most High God; not orphans! Jesus is our High Priest and the King of Glory. reread top line