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Hi Pam. We see this pronoun ('us') used also in Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 11:7, but we should not understand that God, in these instances, is speaking of Himself & the other beings in Heaven. Rather, we learn that all of the Godhead (i.e. the Divine Beings within the Person of God) were active in these instances where they interacted with mankind.

1 John 5:7 reads, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one", reminds us that for God to be Who He is, His Word (now Jesus as man & in Heaven), & His Spirit, are all one in the Godhead & yet separated (or, sent out) for the performance of God's Will. So when God uses 'Us', we can understand that the all-inclusive God is declaring His Deity (His Unity in Triunity) & this fact should be seen in those instances where they are revealed to us (in His creation of man & His dealings with man).

Brother Ronald.

Part 2.

The key to understanding 2:4 is in the opening Hebrew phrase tldt ("This is the history of"), as it formulates the structure of the book of Genesis. A number of scholars recognize that here tldt serves as a heading that introduces a new section of the narrative. Interestingly, this is the only time the phrase tldt occurs without a personal name, the reason being that "Adam had no human predecessors. The tldt serves two main purposes in Genesis 2:4. First, it "links 2:4-25 with 1:1-2:3. The language of 2:4 looks back to the creation account, just as the tldt in Genesis 11:10 looks back to a line of Shem in Genesis 10:1 and 10:21-31. Second, "its main purpose is to shift attention to the creation of man and his placement in the garden. The setting of Genesis 2 is the garden in Eden, in which the LORD God places the man he creates ( Genesis 2:8, 15). Because there was no man to work the ground ( Genesis 2:5), this is the reason that the LORD God forms "the man" (hdm) from the dust of the "ground" (dm). The description of the creation of the first man is given in Genesis 2:7:

then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Like a craftsman who shapes his material, the LORD God "formed. (yar) the man from the "dust" (pr) of the ground. The word "dust" is not a metaphor. It can only mean literal dust in the context of Genesis 2-3 because it is to dust that Adam will return due to his disobedience ( Genesis 3:19; cf. Job 34:14-15). After the formation of man from the dust of the ground, he is given human life when the LORD God breathes into him the breath of life.

See part 3.

I had to look at a couple of commentaries. Write this down so you can view them when you need to.

Go on Google. " Type your scripture: Genesis 2:4, commentaries"

It'll bring up several. I like BIBLEHUB. It's fun to look at other websites too ( within the first 5-10 listings)

>> Pulpit Commentary

Verse 4. - These are the generations is the usual heading for the different sections into which the Book of Genesis is divided (vial. Genesis 5:1; Genesis 6:9; Genesis 10:1; Genesis 11:10, 27; Genesis 25:12, 19; Genesis 36:1; Genesis 37:2).

All of these proposals are, however, rendered unnecessary by simply observing that toldoth (from yaladh, to bear, to beget; hence begettings, procreations, evolutions, developments) does not describe the antecedents, but the consequents, of either thing or Person (Rosen., Keil, Kalisch).

>>[Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament]

The historical account of the world, which commences at the completion of the work of creation, is introduced as the "History of the heavens and the earth," and treats in three sections, (a) of the original condition of man in paradise ( Genesis 2:5-25); (b) of the fall ( Genesis 3); (c) of the division of the human race into two widely different families, so far as concerns their relation to God ( Genesis 4).

I like all these. I pray for the Lord to give you His strength.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 - For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so THEM ALSO which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him

John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Psalms 116:15 - Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints

1 Thessalonians 4:13 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Romans 8:28 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Romans 6:23 ..but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Revelation 21:3 - And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Romans 14:8 - For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, WE ARE the Lord's.

John 11:23 - Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

Psalms 23:1-6 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:51 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all SLEEP, but we shall all be changed.

Mishael

Ecclesiastes chapter 12 vs 6 & 7 ,.. Ezekiel chapter 18 vs 4 ,.

You can have a look at the following OT Scriptures:

Psalm 23 (especially verse 4); Psalm 48:14; Psalm 49:15; Psalm 73:26; Psalm 116:15; Ecclesiastes 12:6,7; Isaiah 25:8.

Need a verse from Old Testament for a funeral for a male 79 yrs ole

Hi Rick,

I'd keep reading. Seek the truth and open yourself to learn who God really is and what He will reveal to you. Pray for wisdom and understanding. I wouldn't stop after one section and make conclusions before you take the entire context of the Bible into account. There are logical explanations for your questions.

For your food question if you continued reading you would have naturally found Acts 10. There is much more info in the New Testament about what law applies today, because there is moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law. The latter two were specific to Israelites. You would also read a verse like this: Matthew 5:17-20

Regarding your other questions you would eventually read verses like these:

1 John 5:7-8

John 1:1

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

John 1:18

Some OT prophesy of Jesus to come:

Isaiah 7:14

Psalms 72:9-10

Micah 5:2

Numbers 24:17

Genesis 22:18

God bless...

Hi Jim,

You initiated a reply to me. I'm not sure how interested you are in my belief, but I am happy to dialogue with you as long as it is respectful and grounded in the truth of God's word, not man's opinion. You shared scripture which is great, I believe all the scripture you shared, but I don't believe your interpretation of it. I believe you have misinterpreted it and I can be very specific to the exact reasons why for each point if you are genuinely open to it. For the scripture you shared there is more scripture that says Jesus is God. He's not God the Father, but God the Son. I believe this, because the scripture says this, not because of feelings, bias, or agenda, but because it literally says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Do you believe John 1:1?

Your comment began with a question not about the trinity as the Bible says in 1 John 5:7. But your question wasn't about what the Bible says in 1 John 5:7, but the word 'trinity'. Since we don't know each other I don't know your motive for saying that, but I can say that some others use it as a common straw man argument to deceive others in order to discredit Jesus. The word the "Bible" isn't in the Bible either, so is it not a Bible? The word used in 1 John 5:7 is the three are 'one', so if you can use that if you don't like the word trinity.

John 1:1

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Isaiah 44:6 - Lord is King of Israel, Besides me there is no God.

"Sons of God" isn't THE Son of God.

Do you believe these verses?

Genesis 6:3

Hi wayne Scripturally I don't read where days or years were shorter.

It is unclear if the length of our days and years were the same as then as now. Perhaps findings of science may shed some light on this matter. And then the scientific reasoning on what they find could be accurate or faulty. When examining scientific discoveries an the way scientist interpret the artifacts or findings, I take a a prayerful approach. God allows things to be discovered, unearthed, and/or calculated scientifically for a reason. Perhaps to test our faith in him and His Word or maybe to shed more light on what Scripture has said or perhaps even left out.

How did certain people in bible times live so long?

Were the years shorter than 365 days ?

Was a year in those days equal to a Year today ?

Or was it divine intervention ?

This account of the confusion of languages at Babel and the dispersing of peoples throughout the world is instructive. God have commanded that people fill the peoples in Babel knew this command because it was expressed in the explanation of why they endeavored to build the tower to the heavens. They desired to remain together and the civilization that existed at this time promoted this. The spread across the world perhaps was inevitable as populations increased to need migration further away from the centralized hub of civilization. However, these people did not want to do what God had commanded and they thought they could resist God's actions by building this tower. isn't that the story of mankind down through the ages? trusting man's wisdom and innovation over God's directions and will? makes me wonder how much I have leaned on things man has developed or promoted rather than seeking God's direction first. I pray to live a more thoughtful life day by day as I hope to seek God's will in ALL things.

Some say that the world's land mass was centralized at this time and began to break apart and drift into two hemispheres. This could explain how easy it would have been for these generations to spread out and inhabit all lands of the earth. The breaking apart of the continents would have provided obstacles that allowed peoples to become isolated and develop genetic characteristics, lifestyles, and cultural traditions specific to their areas of habitation.

Also, the presence of similar societal laws, architectural structures, religious practices across the globe from ancient past seems to harken back to a common civilization at one time, which would be here in Mesopotamia.

I have wondered if Noah had any written account of life pre-flood or made any post flood that were passed down to his descendants. If so, they must have gotten lost at some point, as Moses was the one who put these Scriptures in writing.

I think it highly likely that pre-flood peoples had writings.

You didn't cite one Bible verse supporting your feelings, I wonder why.

Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

"...WORD WAS GOD."

Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.

This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.

But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Below are scriptures everyone should read and pray deeply for wisdom and understanding for. Beware of anyone trying to attack, disrespect, or demean Jesus or the name of Jesus. Jesus loves you and died for you. Scripture indicates that Jesus is God. Jesus is not God the father, but God the son. The 3 are all united as 1. There aren't 3 separate gods, there is 1 God with 3 parts as 1 John 5:7 says. We could debunk every one of the deniers' disengenuous arguments, but that would take a lot of space and most are closed off anyway. The same info is also online in countless websites. Satan loves going after any weakness he can find and people keep falling for the same tricks. Christians should simply pray about this and ask the holy spirit to either confirm or convict them on what the truth is. God bless...

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

Read all of the scriptures and ignore the cultists who stray from God's Word or distort scripture. Even children can understand what these verses mean so I think some adults are just wanting to reinforce what they already want to believe, because it's convenient for other reasons. Is a Christian a real Christ follower if he doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ? That is something we should pray deeply and study deeply about.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

This sounds like an intellectually disingenuous question. Even children understand the concept of the Godhead or trinity- it's straight from God's word. If you don't understand it, that's fine, have you tried praying for wisdom and understanding. It's possible some of these comments are games a person is playing to try to pull some away from the truth to his cult-like beliefs not from the Bible. That's like doing the work of the devil. Here's some good reading material for the cultists.

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Matthew 1:23-25

That is easily googled. Type what you did and put a comma and type Geneology.

Your Comment...Haran the son of Terah has how many children?

Mishael comment: The verses show Noah's age during Bible events. I didn't show them, but Noah made sacrifices upon an altar to God; worshipping God in a time of gross sin. He was human and subject to the aging process.

I believe there is a prophetic reason why Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without seeing physical death. And... we will be witnesses of that reason.

Genesis 6:8

But Noah found GRACE in the eyes of the LORD.

Genesis 6:22

Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Genesis 7:6

And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

Genesis 8:13

And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

Genesis 9:28

And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.

Genesis 9:29

And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Mishael: 'Grace', means Noah had the unmerited favor of God. He didn't earn it.

The answer is here: Genesis 11:6

Why did Noah die, he was so close to God!

Because we are all different and we are all different colors pink, purple white, black we are all precious in his eyes. he did this because the people were all the same that's why he created whites blacks and Spanish. no matter what color or language we speak we are God children even the one who doesn't believe in him. he said that everything that breatheth let them worship his holy name, animals, and all he gave breath to us and I think we should thank him and worship him.

Why did Noah die, he was so close to God!

In genesis chapter 11, why did God change the languages of the people and cause them to misunderstand each other?

There is nowhere in the Bible that states Noah had triplets. There is Scripture to prove what Chris stated is correct:

" Genesis 7:6 "And Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters was opon the earth."

Genesis 11:10 "Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:".

A little bit of subtraction tells us that therefore Shem was born when Noah was in his 502nd year."

Knowing Noah began to beget sons in His 500th year. Japheth being the oldest son of Noah, born in/close to Noahs 500th year, then Shem in His 502nd year, and the birth of Ham, youngest, can not be traced. Just as Chris stated.

God Bless.

Gen, Chp 11, Verse 2: Someone might need to check the wording. the word "from" may not suppose to be there. They traveled eastward or east; not "from the east" I could be totally wrong though. I have checked other sources and I can say the base of the tower is still there east of the city in Shinar in a valley. But here again could be wrong. I suggest you check the wording and decide. Thanks for an easy to read KJV Bible and study guide software. It has helped me many times, just trying to give back.

Hello Anji,

I am so happy to hear you are reading the Bible...it can be quite challenging at times. The "Us" you are referring to if the doctrine of the Trinity. You may have also read it in Genesis 1:26 when God says "let us" and "our image". You will read it again in Genesis 11:7 when God says "let us". But the clearest picture of the Trinity and the Godhead is not given until the New Testament: 1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. God is complex and it can really make your head spin trying to understand everything about Him, but He is triune; three in one; One God. We are made in His image; as such, we are also triune: Body, Soul and Spirit: " 1 Thessalonians 5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." This is called the "tripartite" nature of man. Much like the divine Trinity, the three parts of a human make one being.

To explain Genesis 3:15, the best way to read the verse in context...meaning understanding what is going in. The Serpent has just deceived Eve, who in turn deceived Adam. Adam and Eve had their eyes opened after eating the fruit from the one tree God commanded them not to eat from. God is now meting out judgement.

Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity (animosity) between you and the woman..." The Lord is speaking to the serpent (Satan), "...and between your seed..." (offspring or those who follow Satan) "...and her Seed..." (The Lord Jesus Christ) Christ "...shall bruise your head..." (the Victory that Jesus won at the Cross Colossians 2:14-15) , "...and you shall bruise His Heel..." the sufferings of the Cross.

I hope this helps you. Keep investigating!!

The Bible doesn't specifically tell us how the drop in human longevity changed from the large numbers you read of in Genesis chapter 5, to smaller numbers as you progressively go through that Book & into the rest of biblical history.

We can assume that when God created humans, He intended that we live forever. When Adam & Eve sinned, not only their hearts became sin-tainted, but their intimate walk with God (i.e. their relationship) was affected & the duration of their earthly existence was shortened. Even though Adam lived for 930 years (& Eve possibly for a similar duration), even that was abnormal.

Then we come to Noah & the Great Flood that wiped away all living creatures, except Noah & his family. I should say, that the reference to 120 years in Genesis 6:3 is often taken as 'God's shortening of man's ages to 120 years, however, that actually is a reference to the time God gave to man before he would be wiped off the Earth because of his unrestrained sin. So these great ages of humans continued until the Flood. Post Flood: ages began to reduce as we see in Noah's son, Shem ( Genesis 11:10 ff) & others in history, but this wasn't the rule.

So, it's understood that with a possible defective gene in Noah/his wife that was subsequently passed onto his son's & then down the line to us, the effects of sin that had increasingly affected our bodies, & even our changing conditions (chemical levels in the atmosphere, diet, mental/emotional stability, life's complications bringing on pressures, etc.) could well have contributed to a much shorter life span. In Psalm 90:9,10, Moses states: "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow". Though Moses himself lived for many more years than 70, 120 years in fact, he probably envisaged that man's days 'were numbered' & if we should live beyond 70, life would get more difficult, finally extracting our final breath.