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Great answer. Also, It was not consider incest until God told them to stop. If we all have the same origin, in the beginning there was no one else around to have a family with. At some point, a few women had children with fallen angels called: Moloch, Chemosh, Dagon, Belial, Beelzebub and their kidswere called the nephilim.

My aunt married when she was 12 and had 25 kids.

God did say be fruitful and multiply so it's not sin for them at that time to be fruitful and to multiply.

Bob Grove,

I understand Genesis 4:26, and specifically the word "began" in this way:

Mankind in general, and Adam, in particular, was properly calling upon the name of the LORD long before the birth of "Enos." Suitable worship of the LORD did not begin with this one "Enos," as Scripture has already given us the example of Abel, whose tribute unto the LORD for his transgressions was found to be acceptable by Him ( Genesis 4:4).

Many believe this verse to convey the sense that the worshippers of the LORD began, at this point in time, to publically band together, calling or representing themselves as dedicated disciples to God and His word. These measures were taken by them in order to distinguish themselves from the wicked generations of Cain, known as "Kenites" ( Genesis 15:19), that were rapidly advancing in all facets of life; especially their worship of their god, Satan.

I believe that what did originate with "Enos" can be better understood from the Hebrew word "chalal," which is translated "began" in Genesis 4:26. The definition and etymology of the word should be reviewed for clearer understanding.

The practice "Enos began" was that of profaning and defiling himself, his heritage, and most importantly, the name of the LORD. "Enos began" calling the names of men, and the names of idols, directly by the name of the LORD, thereby allowing even more confusion to be brought upon the true children of God that are eagerly wanting to understand His precepts.

Given below is ( Genesis 4:26) from the Targum of Jonathan;

"And to Sheth also was born a son, and he called his name Enosh. That was the generation in whose days they began to err, and to make themselves idols, and surnamed their idols by the name of the Word of the Lord."

For Mel, You wouldn't call it incest as you have to put yourself in the picture when you read scripture. Pre Noah's flood, humans lived close to a thousand years and had lots and lots of kids. After Noah the new environment conditions and Gods command reduced our life span to 120 years.These days you may marry someone 5 or 10 years younger and have a few kids but in those days you may have married someone 200 years younger and from many generations away from yourself genetically. My grandparents had ten kids and lived for 85 years. Last count we had about 200 decendants from them. Can you imagine if they had lived for 900 years and their kids and kids kids also lived 900 years...Lots of people around quickly and after a few hundred years nobody would know who was closely related to who and all this in a pure Adamite Gene pool with very few of our modern defects. Cain was probably alone for a few hundred years before very happily bumping into a girl for him from one of his distant relatives. If you look at a world population graph, you will see how fast the population has grown in only the last few hundred years.

My comment as the same Robert Ryan Olea. So I'm wondering if there were incest going on ?

"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:"

I love my enemies and will pray for them.

Am a 79 year old woman.....As humans we are neither bad or good...the problem with humanity is that we tend to be curious, head strong and actually bossy......But as years pass .....We finally realize,,,that we lean more towards man's ways... Instead of God's way.....it feels like this world has become Godless , like in the days of the flood. God freely gave us a new beginning and again ...man has proven Satan right.....Man is not worthy of God....until we learn to heed the word of God we will never reach that ever lasting happiness......Once man comes to terms that the earth does not belong to man...We are just the keepers...

Joan,

Cain found his wife because Adam and Eve were not the only two people living on earth at that time.

( Genesis 1:26 - 28) states that on the 6th day God created mankind, BOTH male and female, blessed them, and told them to be fruitful and multiply, RE-plenish the earth, subdue it, and have dominion over every living thing on it.

God also created Adam on the 6th day. Adam, however, was not told to subdue the earth and have dominion over it.

Adam was put in a garden in Eden ( Genesis 2:7, 8) completely by himself ( Genesis 2:18, 1st Timothy 2:13).

The instructions given to Adam were to dress the garden and to keep it ( Genesis 2:15). Adam was a farmer, and the animals brought to him in ( Genesis 2:19 - 20) were utilized for that particular purpose.

The instructions given to Adam are completely different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind in Genesis 1:28-29 because God specifically chose Adam to stand against the serpent in the garden, and God chose the lineage of Adam to bring forth the Savior of the world. (It is interesting to note that unlike Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc., who are all stated as being faithful or righteous, that is nowhere stated of Adam; but it may be implied, as God did choose him).

The Bible uses translated words such as "peoples," "nations," "heathen," and "gentiles" to define people as "foreign" or, in other words, a different lineage than Adam. The reason Cain found a wife in the land of Nod, east of Eden ( Genesis 4:16) is because the other races of people created by God on the 6th day were living on the earth, reproducing, and having dominion over it.

It is interesting to note that for over 6000 years of marriages between the races of the world, those same races are still very much distinguishable......and ALL are blessed through the perfect plan of God, ( Genesis 1:28 12:2-3, 26:4, etc.)

As to why the earth was being RE-plenished by God, look at ( 2nd Peter 3:5 - 7, 13).

Geraldine Cole

You are correct. Adam was put in charge of the Garden. The spreading of sin to all of mankind has resulted from the inability of Adam to uphold the Law of God and resist what Satan was offering him.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12

Eve, however, was also there. In fact, Eve was the first person to accept Satan's proposal, look at Genesis 3:6.

Both Adam AND Eve received punishment for what happened in the Garden, look at Genesis 3:16.

The transgression that took place in the Garden of Eden had nothing to do with a piece of fruit. Both Adam and Eve were wholly seduced by Satan.

After the act took place:

Eve's punishment concerned child birth.

Satan's punishment concerned the separation of "seed" from the woman ( Genesis 3:15).

Eve found Satan to be "desirable" and "pleasant to the eyes" ( Genesis 3:6, 2 Corinthians 11:3). The punishment by our heavenly Father upon Eve, (and all of womankind) included her desire to now be focused upon her "husband, and he shall rule over thee" Genesis 3:16.

A few minutes of research into Scripture and a Bible Concordance will likely bring this topic into better light.

A man should not blame a woman for a mistake he made. Neither should a woman blame a man for a mistake she made.

It seems like nobody is doing their job anymore, male or female. How far ahead would mankind be if we took responsibility for our actions!!!

Luke 6:42

God stared man out well but in man disobedient to God every thing changed for it was the Man that God put in charge Not!!! The women when the Man disobeyed God EVERYTHING fell down and so thats where we stand today we are still disobedient because of man decision he makes we cannot say men u are blameless God put U in charge he made women as your helper Not Your boss and he told man how to treat the women with respect and love he made the women for man the man.man was lonely. not man for women now we see why EVERYTHING is a mess man is not on his Godly Job still blaming women.

Hello Mishael, I'm not seeing where it says Lamech killed Cain. Genesis 4:23 says he killed a man, but it doesn't say who. It says it could be a young boy, if it was a young boy, then that eliminates Cain as a possibility, since Cain was older than Lamech. Otherwise, if it was a man and a boy- two people he killed- we still don't know who, unless it says somewhere else?

Cain was firstborn but God rejected Cains offering. Maybe it was substandard?

Abel was 2nd born and God was pleased with his offering and blessed him.

Cain was indignant and disputed the event. God didn't change His mind.

Cain slew Abel. He was cursed and marked for death. Later he married and had children.

Eventually Lamech was born. By accident He slew Cain and lived long enough to survive the 70 times 7 times curse for killing Cain. He survived and later Noah would be born. Genesis 4:23

Then Eve's 3rd born son, Seth, lived 912 years.

Hi DJ,

You said there's 2 accounts of creation in Genesis, but there's only one. It would take a lot of convincing to claim there's more than one.

Also, I believe scripture is clear that Adam is the first man created and Eve is the first woman. I also believe its possible God created other people outside of Eden, such as the land of Nod where Cain found his wife. Genesis 4:16-17.

However this is all irrelevant if you believe in the worldwide flood and only Noah and 7 others were saved, because everyone else on earth was wiped out. Some believe they were 'diverse' representing all races at that time, but I don't believe that.

I believe the Tower of Babel where God changed people's languages resulted in other identity and appearance and culture changes. Genesis 11:1-9. Verse 9 says he then scattered them upon the Earth, which makes logical sense how today ethic groups are largely in certain places: Chinese in China, Indians in India, Spanish in Spain, etc.

Lance, Reply to the question concerning the wife of Cain;

Cain found his wife because Adam and Eve were not the only two people living on earth at that time.

( Genesis 1:26 - 28) states that on the 6th day God created mankind, BOTH male and female, blessed them, and told them to be fruitful and multiply, RE-plenish the earth, subdue it, and have dominion over every living thing on it.

God also created Adam on the 6th day. Adam, however, was not told to subdue the earth and have dominion over it. Adam was put in a garden in Eden ( Genesis 2:7, 8) completely by himself ( Genesis 2:18, 1st Timothy 2:13). The instructions given to Adam were to dress the garden and to keep it ( Genesis 2:15). Adam was a farmer, and the animals brought to him in ( Genesis 2:19 - 20) were utilized for that particular purpose. The instructions given to Adam are completely different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind because God chose Adam to stand against the serpent in the garden, and God chose the lineage of Adam to bring forth the Savior of the world. (It is interesting to note that unlike Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc., who are all stated as being faithful or righteous, that is nowhere stated of Adam; but it may be implied, as God did choose him).

The Bible uses translated words such as "peoples," "nations," "heathen," and "gentiles" to define these people as "foreign" or, in other words, a different lineage than Adam. The reason Cain found a wife in the land of Nod, east of Eden ( Genesis 4:16) is because the other races of people created by God on the 6th day were living on the earth, reproducing, and having dominion over it. It is interesting to note that for over 6000 years of marriages between the races of the world, those same races are still very much distinguishable......and ALL are blessed through the perfect plan of God, ( Genesis 1:28 12:2, 3, 26:4)

As to why the earth was being RE-plenished by God, look at ( 2nd Peter 3:5 - 7, 13).

What is the statement just before this section "the 1611 bible the he verson " reading that threw me a bit

If only cain and able were on earth how did cain know his wife? sounds like a fairytale.

Abdul, the danger of interbreeding only began some time after sin entered the world through Adam & Eve. It has nothing to do with God removing one of man's ribs & forming wo-man (= out of man) from it. And cloning cannot be attributable to the Creator, Who isn't in the business of cloning, as some scientists/doctors have a propensity to delve deeper into; when God creates, it is out of nothing; the use of a man's rib was to show that this new human (woman) was a product of man's creation ( Gen 2:22,23) yet nonetheless, equal to him in every respect, except in the order of creation. He could have easily created a woman fresh from the dust of the Earth, as He did the man. And it has been shown, that the rib (if a particular membrane is left intact after the rib's removal) can in fact produce a new rib in the course of time (the only bone in our bodies to be able to do this). So doctors do take tissue from the rib for reconstruction purposes in other areas of the body (just a side comment that I researched into!).

After Adam & Eve sinned & through them sin was passed onto all people, as the initial population multiplied, their transmitted genes would have become further diverse as the gene pool increased. This would have led to abnormal mutations within humans, producing severe deformities. Man would have stopped interbreeding long before God's law was given against this ( Lev 20), but this initial interbreeding, which would have had negative medical effects had it been allowed to continue, would have gone on for some time for the population of the Earth. Yes, we are all inter-related going back to Adam & Even, but after the Flood, our relationship to our forerunners are more correctly, towards Noah & his offspring.

But if we are to talk about incest, Eve was born from Adams ribs. Wouldn't that be a type of cloning?

That would be like marrying his daughter. And if God created everything and everyone then we are all related in some sort. We only know of incest now because we were taught to recognize it as a sin but in those times the main importance was to multiply and fill the earth with souls for the glorification of God.

The entire world today has stopped,The 1918-flue-stopped ww 1,I truly believe it's the seals opened,

Revelation 6:2 Ps 45:4

So where did the people from the land of nod come from that Cain knew his wife? Is this the 6th day creation? Then on the 8 th day GOD make the farmer which is Adam in which the blood line of Jesus would come?

Donovan, the meaning of 'generation' is important here. As we know, this word has been used throughout Scripture, but most today only understand it to apply to forty years. However, the Greek word 'genea' also allows for 'family, race, age'. Though the nation of Israel being (re) formed in May 1948 is significant to end time prophecy, the Lord's reference in Mt 24:34 to generation can only be applied to 'this age' = those alive prior to the closing of this age of unbridled sin. Jesus took his disciples to the Mt. of Olives & described the destruction of the Temple. His disciples asked (v3), when all this would happen. So Jesus describes what we refer to as the Great Tribulation, that would not only affect Israel severely, but would impact all people all over the world. Jesus doesn't give a date ( Mt 24:36) as this fact was known only to the Father. This could mean that Jesus, in his humanity, was not aware of it, or that the Godhead kept it hidden from us so we always remain ready.

Donovan - unless the United Nations, is the Lord, it was they who gathered and created the Israeli state in 1948. I think this is a counterfeit creation. Lucis trust publications (used to be Lucifer trust) is a printing arm of the UN.

Lucis trust about: History "The Lucis Trust was established by Alice and Foster Bailey as a vehicle to foster recognition of the universal spiritual principles"...."A publishing company, initially named Lucifer Publishing Company"

Support of the United Nations: "The Lucis Trust has Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations (ECOSOC) and World Goodwill is recognized by the Department of Public Information at the United Nations as a Non-Governmental Organisation (NGO)"

in Matthew chapter 24 it says and this generation shall not pass. A lot of christians seem to think it is refering to the reuniting of isreal in 1948. What do you believe.

Lisa Pensworth, Is this what you are talking about? Revelation Chapter 1 verse 20

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

If so then there is no doubt what they truly are - if you are willing to understand the evidence and the logic. Trust me.

What are the seven mysteries in the Bible?

The author of Hebrews is unknown. There are various guesses as to who it could be, but no scriptural proof as to who wrote it.

Th Holy Spirit is our Comforter; He teaches us the Bible when we need help; shows us what Jesus is all about; He convicts us when go astray. No wonder Jesus tells us not to grieve the Holy Spirit. There's so much love there. You can be as close to Him as you want or need.

Thank you to all who have answered my question. I love being able to ask questions and actually getting responses. Part of the reason why I never finished reading the Bible as a child is because I had no one to answer my questions.I have downloaded the pdf of the KJB, but prefer the online version for this reason. Thanks again to all and God Bless.