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Brother Dan, the throne of God is a LITERAL PHYSICAL place, CHRIST IN YOU. As Christ is the throne of his Father, because the Father indwells Christ, Christ indwells you, making you the THRONE of the Father, Son and you.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh, I will grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN..... the NEW dwelling place and the NEW throne of God..CHRIST IN YOU

Isaiah 66:1 ........where is the THE HOUSE ye built unto me

Hebrews 3:6 ...But Christ as a son over his own house, whose HOUSE WE ARE

Isaiah 66:1 .......and where is my place of REST.....The Father and His Son Jesus Christ and YOU are at REST TOGETHER in the NEW heaven, the NEW temple made without hands, the NEW place of worship ( John 4:19-22).

Cease from your works as God has ceased from his works, the WORKS were FINISHED at the cross.

The only LABOUR left is to bring man TO KNOWLEDGE

Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people go into captivity, because they have no KNOWLEDGE: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitudes dried up with thirst.

Gods throne is more real than you or I could image !

Hi Brother Dan What you shared is a tremendous figure of speech called condescensio which is attributing to God human characteristics to explain his workings at our level the way he functions. Examples God bared His arm, the eyes of the lord Go to and fro in the earth, God walks with us and talks with us, and of course the one you gave. In Gods word these are used precisely to bring our attention to a specific point. Its a very interesting study in itself, also the bible has over 400 of them in it incredible.

Seeking on, you are correct, there is one God and Father of ALL, ever thing is by INHERITANCE.

I believe that Gods/Jesus thrown "is Heaven". All of Heaven.

Isaiah 66:1

"Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

The throne of God should not be thought of as a literal throne. God the Father is nonphysical. So not having a physical body, God does not " virtually sit." When we envision a divine throne it is akin to biblical allusions to God's "hand" or "mouth" or "eyes"-they are nonmaterial.

Hope this helps to put "throne" in perspective.

God Bless

Exodus 15:6

Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

Luke 22:69

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Mark 14:62

And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew 26:64

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Hebrews 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Acts 7:55

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Psalms 118:16

The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

Colossians 3:1

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

You said it Jesus inherited from the father . Therefore it was not his until the father gave it to him . God the father is God and father of all , including Jesus . But Jesus is the only begotten Son of God of the father as you well know . All authorities have been given Jesus from the Father as well , he did not have that or it would not have been given him .

If you have all the money in the world and controlled all banks . It would be unnecessary to give you what you already have . More money it would have been yours already .You Would inquire where did you get my money ?

Yes Jesus has a throne and His father has a throne 1+1=2

Dear seeking,

Yes, there is only one God who sits on the throne. You are true in saying that. But could the one on the throne be Christ Himself? Did Christ not inherit the throne? Does scripture not tell us that Jesus Christ has inherited all things from the Father?



Concerning Christ the Son, in Hebrews Chapter 1 Verse 8, it is God the Father who says "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Jesus here is being called God. Interesting!!!

Seeking on,

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

God bless,

RLW

Jesus plainly said there are 2 thrones his and the fathers .

Hope that helps .

Seeking, sitting at the right hand of the Father represents that Christ is the body that does all things the Father shows him to DO.

There is only one throne:

Revelation 3:21 He that overcometh will I (Christ) grant to sit with me (Christ) on my throne, even as I (Christ) overcame, an am set down with my Father own his throne.

John 17:21 That they all may be ONE, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that thou has sent me.

Thank you , very well put .

Hebrews 12.2

Why did Jesus sit down at the right hand of God and not sit on Gods throne ?

Stephen say Jesus at the right hand of God in Acts as well .

The conclusion must be there is only one God sitting on His throne .

Jesus is sitting by him at his right hand , not at all the same thing .

Jesus certainly is the Son of God sent to be the Christ or messiah , by God sitting on the throne .

Sorry I hit send...I was praying and asking God what do I do as a momma when my convictions don't agree with what the world is saying is ok.

Praise the Lord that my God is showing me abundant love and working in my son's heart and mine too.

I am 39 and was told a few months ago by my 15 yr old that he's transgender. It's been an emotional roller-coaster since. I've been praying and God is faithful. Hebrews 12 and beginning of 13

And again, the story of Jacob and Esau is referred to again in Hebrews 12:14-17, where believers are exhorted to pursue peace with all people and holiness, warned to avoid any root of bitterness from springing up to cause trouble, which defiles many and leads many to become fornicators and/or profane like Esau. The text in Hebrews goes on to tell how Esau sold his birthright for a morsel of food, and then later, wanted to have the inheritance back with its blessing but he was rejected due to his lack of repentance. From these N.T. Scripture we can consider that Esau di not wish to follow the ways of Isaac and his grandfather, Abraham. He wanted to run his own life his way. He is described as a fornicator and profane. This may be literally so or figuratively so, or both. Either way, Esau was rejected by God as the heir of the promise for reasons God knew in His perfect wisdom inn election of some to be vessels of his wrath an others to be vessels of his mercy. ( Romans 9:22-24) I suggest reading the whole section in Romans 9:1-33.

So, apparently God in his foreknowledge elected Jacob the heir of the promise, and Esau, in his free will choice to depart from the way of faith of his father and grandfather, was not elected. For me, I do not wrestle much with this matter, as I trust God's way and wisdom. If I was an unbeliever and read these Scriptures, I would be disturbed and either reject God or seek how to be saved, which depends, ultimately, on God's foreknowledge and election. God will never turn away a contrite heart who desires to be saved. He will make a way for this person to hear the gospel and give faith to believe by grace. Jacob was not a perfect brother, by any means. But, would become a man of God as he grew in grace and knowledge of God in his lifetime. I am reminded that later in history, God will identify himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They were elected and blessed by God despite their failings, but acted on the faith God seeded in them

I take it to believe "yea", may not be him rejoicing but even that, has scripture backing Philippians 4:4-9, James 1:2-4, 1 John 4:18,

even if we walk in/near death we should not fear because GOD promises to be with us (that trust in HIM) Deuteronomy 31:8, Hebrews 13:5-6, John 14:16-21, Psalm 139:1-24, Psalms 37:40,

The rod; Proverbs 13:24, Job 21:9, Proverbs 29:15, Lamentations 3:1, many times references discipline, correction: Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:14, Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:4-8-11, Staff: Hebrews 11:21, Zechariah 8:4, Exodus 21:19, Numbers 22:27, 2 Samuel 3:29, Judges 6:21

Hopefully these scriptures help you with the HOLY Spirit to understand deeper. John 14:26, James 1:5

Brother Mishael; people are FLESH and BLOOD, God is SPIRIT.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Animals are flesh and blood.

Hebrews 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth THE REMOVING of those things that can be shaken, as of things that are made (what can be physically seen, heard, felt, the five senses), that those things which cannot be shaken WILL REMAIN (SPIRIT).

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one to SATAN for the DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH, that the SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED .....

Sinful flesh DIED, only CHRIST remains. Of twain to make ONE.

Sister GiGi, isn't it interesting the three that met Abraham were all angels and yet were also men. Christ being the angel of the Lord. ( 1 Corinthians 15:49)

Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord ye his angels ....

Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels SPIRITS; his ministers a FLAME of fire.

Luke 16:24 .....for I am in torment in this FLAME

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH, that the SPIRIT may BE SAVED....

Hebrews 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire (a single flame).

Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU....

I think the scripture reference used is Hebrews 12:1

In context Hebrews 10:35-39, Hebrews 11:1-40, continues = Hebrews 12:1-11

Michaela, the tree of life (Christ) is IN YOU, YOU are the TRUE garden of God (garden of Eden).

Things that can be seen are going to disappear, only what can not be seen will remain.

My words are Spirit and my words are life. You can not see Spirit and Life, but that is what will remain.

Hebrews 12:27

Here are some scriptures that I think are relevant in understanding this,

Hebrews 12:2

James 1:2-4

John 14:2

Revelations 21:4

1 Corinthians 6:3

Hopefully it's helpful & encouraging.

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Why do you BELIEVE FIRE is literal of physical fire. Why is the worm that never DIES a literal or physical worm.

Christ SAID my words are SPIRIT, therefore the fire is spirit, the worm is spirit.

Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man (SPIRIT, TRUTH, LIFE), which is A WORM?

Hebrews 12:29 For OUR GOD (SPIRIT, TRUTH, LIFE) is a consuming FIRE.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU....the fire (spirit of Christ) that DESTROYS and PURIFIES is never quenched but IMMORTAL. The worm (spirit of Christ) that DESTROYS flesh and never DIES but is IMMORTAL.

We are the vessel (POT) the fire and the worm are the potter (CREATOR).

Psalms 104:30 Thou (the Father) sendest (SENT the Son) thy Spirit (of Christ), they (the vessels) are CREATED (by the WORKS of SPIRIT) (the fire and the worm): thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.

Artie, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Christ HAS BEEN setting up HIS KINGDOM for the past two thousand years. The CHOSEN that have gone before us have been off the earth (delivered form their bodies of flesh into Christ's immortal body) and reigning and judging with Christ as messengers of SPIRIT.

Study the PARABLE of the workers (spiritual messengers) SENT to work in Spirits vineyard (CREATION).

Matthew 20:1-16

The DAY (TODAY, has been happening for two thousand years) of the LORD (second coming of (the SPIRIT of) CHRIST has been happening for two thousand years. Some workers (spiritual messengers) were SENT the first hour of the day: for example; the apostles that FIRST DIED IN CHRIST (and BORN AGAIN in Truth), afterwards other workers (spiritual messengers) that DIE IN CHRIST were rewarded with the immortal body of Christ to WORK in the vineyard (the garden) of God. This thousand year reign (this ONE DAY; the DAY of the LORD) will continue UNTIL the resurrection to JUDGEMENT occurs.

Hebrews 12:22-23

Adam when God formed him from the mud of clay of this earth; God added to it; his breath of life, that was life eternal, and a soul to control human kind body. But God decided to made him in his own image; in the image of God was Adam created, eternal. God set a free will challenge in front of his own life eternal, and said from all the trees in this Eden Garden you could eat but from the tree of Science of good and Evil you can not eat, not a touch the fruit of this tree, because from the very day you touch it and eat of it, you will lose your life eternal and you will become dead in time, day by day you will live until you died of old age, because the disobedience. That is why we die everyday of our life and is passed by our DNA, to our sons and daughters. But Now we have hope in Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the Most High God, who died for the pardon of all our sins because the Grace of God, As Jesus died and resurrected to a life eternal again, so we will have this hope in him; who posses the well of life in him. Those who obey him, believe in him, trust in him, in his second coming will be changed into life eternal, to live with him in heaven at his New Jerusalem, the city of God; read Book of Hebrews 12:22 to 29 and Isaiah 33:14 to 24.

Amen and Amen, Brother S Spencer, we can't just be wounded by the Word of God ( Revelation 13:3). We have to DIE (be killed) by the Word of God ( Revelation 13:10).

2 Thessalonians 2:8 An then shall that Wicked (US, children of Satan) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume ( Hebrews 12:29), with the spirit of his mouth (Words of God), and shall DESTROY with the brightness of his coming ( Colossians 1:27 CHRIST IN US).

Dgjot, ask the Spirit to give you spiritual eyes instead of natural eyes.

John 6:63 It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing, THE WORDS (Christ is the WORD) that I speak unto you, they (the words, Christ) are SPIRIT, and they (the words, Christ) are LIFE.

...the fearful...unbelieving...murderers (if you hate your brother, you are a murderer ( 1 John 3:15)....

Shall have their part in the lake of fire (THE WORDS ARE CHRIST)

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire (THE WORDS ARE CHRIST)

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU....(living lake of fire) you are IN IT NOW.

Isaiah 10:16 ...and under his glory (you are the glory of God) he shall kindle a BURNING like the burning of a FIRE (THE WORDS ARE CHRIST).

Everyone is going to be judged in the WORDS ( in Christ, in the Fire (lake of)

The fire burns the trash and purifies you.

The fire is GOOD and necessary.

The fearful no longer fear, the unbelieving, BELIEVE, you love you enemies.

Don't call GOOD (the lake of fire), EVIL.

Hi Adam,

I understand your frustration and I feel the same way. In this world, nothing saddens me more than unbelievers and how it makes God feel.

Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

2 Corinthians 4:4 important

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

People's Bible Notes for 2 Co 4:4

The god of this world. See Joh 12:31,40 Php 3:19. Satan is called the prince of this world, and the god of this world. Hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. By his devices he blinds the eyes of men so they should not see the light of gospel. The image of God. He who would see God may see him in the face of Christ. See Joh 14:9.

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the "faithless", the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

2 Corinthians 6:14

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Hebrews 3:12

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

Hebrews 12:14

Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

John 3:18

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Hebrews 11:6

And without faith it is impossible to please him for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Rina Maria Lei,

You've said well, and I also agree with Mishael. If I might say something about the very next verse, it says "For our God is a consuming fire."

The writer of Hebrews is speaking to Hebrew (Jewish) people and saying, "You want to go back under the Old Covenant? The only thing you have to look forward to is the consuming fire of God." That's it!



The writer is telling them that through Christ, you'll have eternal life and be part of the heavenly city where God dwells. But for those people who don't want to identify with Christ, they will suffer the judgment of God.