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Thank you for your, explanation of the Trinity. It really is such a mystery yet the Bible clearly shows three distinct persons in the Godhead, and also states that God is truly one LORD ( Deut. 6:4). we can see the manifestation of the trinity at Jesus' baptism with the Son incarnated in Jesus, the Father speaking in an audible voice from heaven, and the Holy Spirit's descent upon Jesus. If one reads the Last Supper Discourse in John 14-17 one will note that Jesus speaks of the Father and the Holy Spirit as distinct persons but then He states the oneness of the three persons.
It is not just the Catholic church that affirms this, rather most traditional Protestant churches affirm this doctrine also. However, it was the Catholic church through those early centuries that repeatedly refuted the various heresies that evolved in those times concerning the nature of God. Among those heresies, there are a few that have emerged in recent times:
Modalism: teaches that God is only one person yet manifests Himself at different times as Father, Son, and Spirit. Scripture references Jesus speaking at the Last Supper Discourse of the Father and Spirit as real persons He was in relationship with. Yet Jesus also speaks of these Persons also being one with Him. ( John 14-18)
Adoptionism: teaches that Jesus attained godhood by living a perfect sinless life. Yet Scripture shows us that Jesus pre-existed His conception in Mary when He said to the Pharisees, "before Abraham was I am." During the Last Supper discourse, Jesus also asked the Father "glorify Me together with You, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." ( John 17:5) Paul states that the world was created by Jesus, so He existed eternally as God the Son before anything was created. ( Hebrews 1:1-3) and elsewhere.
Rejection of Jesus' divinity: Some sects in Christianity that hold to this doctrine teach that Jesus was just a perfect man, not part of the Godhead.
Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH referred to the most as Son of GOD. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, etc.
Luke 3:38,
* Romans 8:14, * Hebrews 1:13-14,
I understand "Son's of GOD presented themselves before GOD" to mean= they prayed notice Job 1:5, "offered burnt offerings" then vrs. 6._._._ the accuser came, Revelation 12:10,
Genesis 4:26, Luke 3:38,
Exodus 34:2, Leviticus 14:11, Leviticus 16:28, 1 Samuel 10:19, Daniel 9:18, Luke 2:22, Romans 12:1, Jude 1:24-25,
He is our Lord and our God
( John 20:28) He is the Resurrection and the Life ( John 11:25) He is the brightness of God's glory and the express image of God's Person ( Hebrews 1:3) he is worshipped by all the angels
( Hebrews 1:6) He is our Great God and Savior ( Titus 2:13-14) He is King of kings and Lord Of lords ( Rev. 19:16)
And so much more. Therefore should we not have great interest and earnest desire to read of His life, words and actions from the Gospels often?
For me, I love all sections of the Bible, but lovebtheGspels the most. It is here in the Gospels that I intake the truth of my Savior and become familiar with Him as the One I worship, adore, follow, serve, and hold out to others to come to know by faith.
It is Jesus that we should know the most about. We should be thoroughly familiar with His life in the Gospels so that we can better understand the teachings about Hom in the Epistles, Revelation, and OT. This is why I always suggest that people wishing to know the Bible better begin with the Gospels.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Matthew 1:23 KJV - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 1:1-3 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Isaiah 9:6 KJV - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 19:11-16 KJV - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJV - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Hebrews 1:8 KJV - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
I'd keep reading. Seek the truth and open yourself to learn who God really is and what He will reveal to you. Pray for wisdom and understanding. I wouldn't stop after one section and make conclusions before you take the entire context of the Bible into account. There are logical explanations for your questions.
For your food question if you continued reading you would have naturally found Acts 10. There is much more info in the New Testament about what law applies today, because there is moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law. The latter two were specific to Israelites. You would also read a verse like this: Matthew 5:17-20
Regarding your other questions you would eventually read verses like these:
1 John 5:7-8
John 1:1
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
Philippians 2:5-8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8
Isaiah 44:6
John 1:18
Some OT prophesy of Jesus to come:
Isaiah 7:14
Psalms 72:9-10
Micah 5:2
Numbers 24:17
Genesis 22:18
God bless...
You initiated a reply to me. I'm not sure how interested you are in my belief, but I am happy to dialogue with you as long as it is respectful and grounded in the truth of God's word, not man's opinion. You shared scripture which is great, I believe all the scripture you shared, but I don't believe your interpretation of it. I believe you have misinterpreted it and I can be very specific to the exact reasons why for each point if you are genuinely open to it. For the scripture you shared there is more scripture that says Jesus is God. He's not God the Father, but God the Son. I believe this, because the scripture says this, not because of feelings, bias, or agenda, but because it literally says Jesus is God in John 1:1. Do you believe John 1:1?
Your comment began with a question not about the trinity as the Bible says in 1 John 5:7. But your question wasn't about what the Bible says in 1 John 5:7, but the word 'trinity'. Since we don't know each other I don't know your motive for saying that, but I can say that some others use it as a common straw man argument to deceive others in order to discredit Jesus. The word the "Bible" isn't in the Bible either, so is it not a Bible? The word used in 1 John 5:7 is the three are 'one', so if you can use that if you don't like the word trinity.
John 1:1
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5-8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Isaiah 44:6 - Lord is King of Israel, Besides me there is no God.
"Sons of God" isn't THE Son of God.
Do you believe these verses?
Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.
Luke 22:69
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Mark 14:62
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Matthew 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Acts 7:55
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Psalms 118:16
The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.
Colossians 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Matthew 24:30
"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Matthew 24:31
"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
Matthew 24:40
"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
Matthew 24:41
"Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
Matthew 24:42
"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Matthew 24:43
"But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up."
Matthew 24:44
"Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
1 Corinthians 11:3
John 14:28
1 Corinthians 12:4-7
Isaiah 9:6-7
Luke 1:31-33
Isaiah 40:9-11
Jeremiah 23:5-6
1 John 5:20
Hebrews 1:2-3
Revelation 2:23
Hebrews 1:6-9
Job 11:7-9
Isaiah 40:12-14
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But when God planned at a specific time that One should lay down His Life for the sins of mankind, instead of giving another animal for sacrifice or creating another man for this purpose, God sent forth His Word (from within Himself), clothed it with flesh, so that the Word of God could now be seen & heard by His people ( John 1:1-14; Hebrews 1:1-6) & ultimately lay down His Life for us all ( John 10:14-18; 1 John 3:16). So the Word of God came into the world formed as a human babe & was called the Son of God ( Luke 1:35).
Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"...WORD WAS GOD."
Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.
This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.
But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
In 1 Corinthians chapter 11, the apostle is speaking about this relationship within the New Covenant. Before Jesus came to Earth as a babe, the Bible tells us that He was the Word of God ( John 1:1-14). In other words, God manifested Himself to His people, Israel, through the giving of His Word & by His Spirit through His prophets. But now in these last days (i.e. New Covenant days - post Cross), He has spoken to us by His Son, that Word Who was made Man ( Hebrews 1:1,2).
So, now when we see Jesus, He is seen (in the NT), as God made flesh, died, buried, resurrected, & ascended to sit at the Father's right Hand ( Luke 22:69; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 10:12). Jesus holds within Himself the full divinity of God His Father, all His Glory, & receives all the worship ( Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:12), but He now remains distinct in 'bodily' form because of His incarnation. And this is a picture of how we will be when translated to live in Heaven ( 1 John 3:2).
Therefore, God as Jesus' Father will always be at the Head, then Jesus as His only begotten Son next in position, then man as God's first creation in God's Image, & then woman made out of man, both of them bearing God's Image.
I don't understand your statement: "Also how do you say we are not under the old law but then makes new laws for women?" The only way I can understand your statement is to say that under the old Law, there was neither need nor provision for women preaching in the Church; there was no Church. This "ordinance" that Paul delivered ( 1 Corinthians 11:2) is entirely based on the risen Christ & His Church - nothing at all to do with any 'old' Law or whether the women of old ministered as prophets, judges, warriors, etc. Under the New Covenant, there is also a new order in His Body, as for those who now worship God in spirit & in Truth. Blessings.
1 Corinthians 6:3, Galations 4:6,7
& if the Son's of GOD are those who do GOD's will, then that rejects fallen angel theory. & if we are called sons & daughters, it's mankind.
2 Peter 2:11,12, James 2:19,
Further scriptures: Jude 1:6,7,8,9,10, Hebrews 1:13,14
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Tobit so far is the most indepth book speaking on these matters & interaction between Angels, & evil Spirits. Here are notable scriptures Tobit 6, Tobit 7, Tobit 8. If that kind of relation could have happened as you speak of wouldn't it have happened here?
We believe that there is only One God: Isaiah 44:6, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his (Jacob's) redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Those who believe in the Trinity, do not believe in three gods - only One. However, throughout the Scriptures, especially in the New Testament, God reveals His Nature to us more fully. Just as we have immaterial parts within us (i.e. spirit & soul), so God is revealed to us by His Spirit & His Word. Zechariah 4:6 shows us both of these: ("Then he (the angel) answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the WORD of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my SPIRIT, saith the LORD of hosts).
Even as God is One God, in the unity of the Godhead there are three eternal, coequal entities (also referred to as Persons) Who are same in substance but distinct in subsistence. Both God's Word & Spirit have always reached out & ministered to people, whether through the mouths of the prophets or by special dealing with God's people. But that Word that was once spoken by the prophets to Israel, is now given to all of us through Jesus ( Hebrews 1:1-3). So the Spirit we know, but Who is Jesus? John 1:1-14 tells us that the Word that was that very part or substance of God, God has sent to Earth clothed in humanity, for "the suffering of death" - God came to us in the flesh, by His Word, for the salvation of sinners. See also Matthew 28:19 & 2 Corinthians 13:14 for expressions of the Triune God.
As you know, Jesus as the Word of God (the second Person of the Godhead), came in the flesh as the Son of God. He was always the verbal Expression from God, both in creation & to His people. Just as the prophets of old spoke God's Message (the Word) to the people, chiefly to instruct & warn them of present & future, those prophets ceased in that type of office, & now God's Word comes forth through His Son ( Hebrews 1:1,2: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds").
So, how does one introduce Kingdom Truths to a people devoid of such knowledge & without the Holy Spirit within them, so that they can understand? Parables (simple stories of the world & society they knew) were shared with the people so that they could get a glimpse of God's Purposes for them. Even Jesus' disciples often had to ask Jesus to interpret the parables to them, as they too were simple folk without spiritual Light ( Matthew 15:15,16: "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?"). But at Pentecost the Holy Spirit was given & Light entered them.
When Jesus shared the Word, He spoke to both the crowds & to individuals, but always in the context that they would understand. Others, such as the religious leaders used His talks as ammunition to rebuke Him. Yet, Truth always prevails & they were left wanting. Likewise, we too can use simple pertinent stories to people, especially specific to their questions & needs.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in the last days spoken to us by his (the Father's) Son (Christ), whom he (the Father) appointed HEIR (Christ inherited EVERY THING AND EVERYBODY) of all things, by whom (by Christ) also HE (the Father) made the worlds (all creation, including man);
Let us (the Father and the Son) make (create) man in our (the Fathers and the Sons) image.
If your still in your FLESH, then you haven't YET become the IMAGE of the Father and the Son.
Ephesians 4:4 For there is ONE BODY (in Christ), and one Spirit (Life and Truth).
This is GIVEN to you when you no longer SUFFER IN THE FLESH.
1 Corinthians 15:54 .....DEATH is swallowed up in VICTORY (the works of Christ).
Hello Tracy,
Jehovah is a invisible spirit ( John 4:24) and doesn't need to dwell in physical creation.
the point is, if we can see it literally this is not were God resides.
So what is heaven? the Hebrew word means High or lofty.
he is way superior in power. but we do have a fine example of
his Almighty power by means of what he created like the sun for example. If a rocket can't land on the sun; this proves the power of God's invisible spirit. he can accomplish wonderful things in a instant, quicker then a blink. Romans 1:20; Genesis 1:1,2
God shares his invisible presence with angels.- Hebrews 1:7
"Now He that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, Who also hath given unto us The Earnest of The Spirit. Therefore we are always Confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from The LORD: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are Confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present With The LORD!" ( 2 Co 5:5-8)
Paul further teaches: "For to me to live is Christ, and to die IS GAIN!" (Phi 1:21)
"For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to DEPART, And To Be WITH CHRIST; which IS FAR BETTER!" (Phi 1:23) {critics' sleep/UNconscious/cease to exist are NOT "FAR BETTER!"} OR:
IF He Comes while we're alive:
"Then we which are alive and remain Shall Be Caught Up together with them in the clouds, to meet The LORD in the air: and so shall we ever be with The LORD!" ( 1 Th 4:17):
"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory...But thanks be to God, Which Giveth us the victory through our LORD JESUS CHRIST!" ( 1 Co 15:51-57)
For all who MAY NOT HAVE this CONFIDENCE about "Departure," God's Simple Will:
A) Believe The GRACE Gospel ( 1 Co 15:3-4; Eph 2:8-9; Rom 3-5)
B) LOVE neighbor, fulfil ALL The Law ( Gal 5:14; Rom 13:8-10)
C) Study, "Approved Unto God" ( 2 Ti 2:15; Rom 16:25; Eph 1:3-9 Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today!) Also: Link
While a comforting thought, that repeated phrase doesn't appear that way in the Bible. Paul didn't say that 100% of the time, when 100% of all people die, that instantly you are absent from the body and 100% of the time immediately with the Lord. Paul said he would 'rather' be present with the Lord. That doesn't mean everyone goes to be with the Lord and that doesn't mean that everyone is absent from their body upon death and won't wait for Jesus to return, and won't face any judgment. Matthew 12:36, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. God bless...