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A Genesis Explanation

It's all over the Bible, in different places: search the words: 'upside down'. However it has NOTHING to do with "Old Earth Theory" about creation. That's a cult.

The Bible which is a record of ONE person: Jesus; the Word of God. Genesis to Revelation leads up to the end of this age. 2 Peter: earth will burn up.

What scientists have long sought to explain=

TIME, FORCE, ACTION, MATTER: explained in Genesis 1:1. How did it happen and WHO did it? The Godhead: the Father, the Word of God, the Spirit.

The First thing God created, was TIME. "In Beginning". John 1:2-5, Hebrews 1:1-16. Time began to tick for Creation and Man. For seasons and times.

God Wills it

The Son ( Hebrews 1:5), The Word, speaks it

The Holy Spirit performs it.

Mishael: this is enough to get you on track with what happened in Genesis the first day. Get a KJV study Bible that has Center Column references to further explanation (has tiny abc's imbedded in the scriptures). You don't need secular books to read this and understand better.

We know the earth itself is billions of years old. All sciences have evidence. Carbon dating.

Genesis 1:1 shows God creating TIME, first. It was created for mankind.

Maybe your daughter will become a great evangelist amongst the scientific communities? It was recently published that all planets had water on them. It was proven that the position of earth allowed perfection for life. Who did that?

Water on the other planets disappeared. Only Earth has the water needed for life.

Or she may study a named asteroid (star), WORMWOOD (named in the Bible), that is going to hit earth and turn water to be bitter and poisonous. (Book of Revelation) Until recently there were many pictures of Wormwood. Now I think NASA has taken them down to avoid mass hysteria, but they are still tracking it.

Mishael

S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

My answer to Lee may step on you answer a bit. I believe we all come to truth through the WORD. Our discussions with each other are for the edifying of the church. In Daniel, scripture says knowledge will increase. I believe this is happening. No other time has occasion presented itself for the church to converse the scriptures with each other so easily. The church was isolated into little community groups and not able to converse world wide. There are so many traditions of man that have a grip on us and it is extremely hard for that grip to be loosened. I was raised that heaven was a place you go if you believe. It has taken hundreds of hours in the WORD and SPIRIT to come to the truth what it means to be one with Christ. When we are glorified at the death of our present body; we want be confined by anything, we will be every place Christ is. OMNIPRESENT! Unseen or seen; whatever he chooses.

Hebrews 13:2

Psalms 103:20

Psalms 104:4

Hebrews 1:7

Hi Tom.

He here the Lord with the inner ear.

The Lord speaks to his "CHURCH" by the spirit.

REVELATION 2:29. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

JOHN 10:27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

HEBREWS 1:1-2. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

If God decides to speak Audible it would take the spirit to reveal truth.

The inner ear is the work of the Holyspirit revealing that truth.

We have to be cautious of seeking an experience whether by sight or hearing or miracles and rely on faith in God's word.

Hebrews 11:1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Israel seen and heard "As a Nation " and received external blessings and miracles, deliverance, Promises, and the Gospel.

Hebrews 4:2. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with ""FAITH"" in them that heard it.

God bless.

Your answer is found in REVELATIONS chapter 21.

Read it with reverence for there are multiple BLESSINGS contained therein.

Amen

Hi Robert,

At the end of Revelation it is discussed with details. Revelation 21, Revelation 22.

God Bless.

Abraham was renamed by God. He was first known by Abram, and this meant, 'Exalted father, or Noble father'. Abraham meant, 'father of many (nations)'.

What do Abraham mean in the Bible

Hi James. You said, "The Word is not a person. The Word is the word. A 5 year old can understand this. God put his words in the mouth of a man. This is how the Word (the Word of God) was made flesh."

As you know, the Word of God was put into many men over the ages. Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, the prophets, & many others. Was this Word from God also made flesh in them as well? If so, of what importance, relevance or accuracy would this interpretation be? We are never told that the Word became flesh to any of these men: they were just men chosen by God to bring forth His Word to His people. As far as I can discern, the messages that came to them to be given to the people, were simply God's Word for Israel's obedience, knowledge & instruction - there was no reconstruction of that Word into a fleshly form - it was just an echo of God's direct Word to them.

But when Jesus came on the scene, He didn't just echo God's Word to Israel, but He was the Word of God - He wasn't just a Proclaimer but the Word was His Character. If this were not so, He would have been just as all the other prophets in the past (no different, no better). But Hebrews 1:1-3 tells us that this Prophet was different in His Birth ('express Image of God'), in His Glory ('the brightness of God's Glory'), in His creative Work ('made the worlds & upholds all things by His Power'), in His Sacrifice ('purging our sins'), in His return to His Glory, John 17:5 ('at the right Hand of God').

If you see this Jesus & believe that He was just another Prophet or a godly Man chosen of God, how does God's Word brought out through flesh have any relevance on God's Word made flesh? The former was given by man inspired by God. The latter was done by God sent out from within Himself, so that His Word would become flesh (man) for our sakes, which no other prophet could ever do. This separated Jesus from all others. John 1:14: "..the only begotten (unique, one of a kind) of the Father...".

Ears that hear, what day did the I AM that I AM begotten his son Jesus?

Revelation 3:14 ...... these things saith the Amen ( Revelation 1:8), the faithful and true witness ( Revelation 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD.

May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding

Ears that here,

Hebrews 1:5 says, For to which of the angels said he at any time, and this is from Psalm 2:7: Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

Right here is where people will say "begotten" means to give birth. How do we get out of that one? It sounds like it contradicts who Jesus claimed to be.

Well, Psalm 2 is what is called a Coronation Psalm. It is the day in which the Father passes the throne to His Son. And that's why He's called a Son. He didn't become a Son that day by birth. He became the inheritor of His Father's throne. And His Son is now the King. He became King on that day, His coronation.

So we have to be careful. The word begotten, its root word is also used for creation, which is where we get the term birth. But also it's used for creating the world. Anything that is generated out is represented by this word. So when a person becomes King, this word is used.

So to which of the angels did He say, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? To none of the angels! And again, from 2 Samuel 7:14: I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? To which of the angels did He ever say that? None!

What day did the IAM that IAM begotten His Son Jesus ?

Chris,

Also, we can look at Philippians 2:6 which says, Who (Referring to Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:



2 Corinthians 4:4 says, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

There is a word in the Greek text that can be defined as the out beam, or radiance of God's glory. It is the word APOUGASMA. It is a word used to describe Christ, being the out beam of God's glory.

I like to imagine shining a flashlight on a wall in a pitch-black room. The light I see on the wall is Christ. But if I were to take that same flashlight and point it at my eyes, its brightness would be so great that it would blind me. Thus, our image of the Divine Glory of God is enlightened and more vivid by the beauty of the scriptures!

I believe what the inspired writer of Hebrews wanted his readers to draw is apparent and fitting. Christ is the "effulgence" of God's glory ( Hebrews 1:3) because as the Word, He became flesh so that the grace and truth of God's glory could be seen by all ( John 1:14,17-18).

Jesus is the true light that radiates forth prevailing over all shades of darkness ( John 1:5). Just as no one can stare directly into the beam of the flashlight or spotlight without being blinded by the extreme brightness, in like manner, none can see the Father because of His Divine Glory.

But, as the light of the flashlight shines forth from the bulb revealing its essence, Jesus shines forth as the visible manifestation by which the knowledge of the glory of God is declared to all ( John 1:14,18; 2 Corinthians 4:6). For he who sees Jesus beholds the Father! ( John 12:45; 14:9,10).

Thanks Chris!

Hello Sacha,

I would like to reply to your question. So going back to Genesis 22 is the story of Abraham offering up his son Isaac. Which I believe is stated to be a test of faith from God to Abraham. Hebrews 11:7, James 2:21-23. To see how deep his faith truly was. Not just faith but faith by works.

As this topic has come up before I will share my beliefs with some Scripture to it. As another stated also, I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. I believe as God is eternal that instead of Him being alone why not have a Son whom is perfect in every aspect just as He is. To be in Him and with Him always in His heart and in His bosom John 1:18 for companionship (that actually just came to me today as I was standing outside praising the Lord).

I usually state Jesus Christ as Lord along with thirty other names I know by heart that I call Him while in prayer. I do not call Him God personally. Although He is one with God and I believe He is the Word of God(as it states in Revelation 19:13. Also some titles the Father and Son share are Lord of lords, Alpha and Omega, Savior. As in the OT, using only one verse as there are many, that there is no Saviour but the LORD. Isaiah 43:11. Through out the NT God and Jesus Christ are both stated as our Saviour. Just some Titus 1:3, Titus 1:4, Titus 3:4, Titus 3:6.

So as you have your own beliefs, and just as well I have mine, I will stop here as I don't want to quarrel or argue any more about this. I believe Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God is eternal just as the Father and has always been with the Father. Yes His physical life came to this earth being born of Mary. As He had to suffer death for us as a perfect sacrifice or offering for our sins. Which is very honorable and why the Father honors Him higher than any other being. Even the highest Holy angels. Hebrews 1:4.

And about Him being at the Fathers right hand Steven saw this before He was stoned in Acts 7:55-56. So it's not just a metaphor. God Bless

As no one person is exactly the same as another. Just as well there is many different beliefs to interpreting the Scriptures. Which is said to have no private interpretation. ( 2 Peter 1:20-21.

As this has been discussed before I will put my portion. I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. He is the only begotten Son of God. Though He was more than just a "sinless" man. He was part man part God. Born of a virgin who was conceived by the Holy Ghost ( Matthew 1:20, Luke 1:30-35. Even at age twelve He astonished people who heard Him. He knew God was His Father then Luke 2:47-49. To me showing He did not just receive the Holy Ghost(Spirit of God) at His water baptism in the Jordan. If the sign of the Spirit descending from Heaven like a dove was for just a sign for John or for His supernatural powers only God knows. John 1:32-34.

If some think that believing Jesus Christ is more that just a man is taking something away from the Father. God wants us to honor His Son as He is the only way to the Father. Scriptures pointing to Him being more than "just" a man John 3:12-13, John 3:33-35, John 3:38, John 8:54-58, John 17:3-5, Colossians 1:12-20, Hebrews 1:1-4.

Also titles Jesus Christ, the Son of God, uses like Alpha and Omega(first and last) in the beginning of Revelation. The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, being King of kings and Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14. Also the Word of God and King of kings and Lord of lords given to the man riding the white horse out of Heaven. I believe is Jesus Christ.

Besides all of the miracles He performed. Him being transfigured on the mountain Matthew 17:2.

There is one True Holy Living Almighty God. Saying the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost are one. Also as how many verses I have that state the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God, and the Holy Ghost are in us after being saved. To me showing Jesus Christ is the Word of God and one with God and the Holy Ghost.

Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.

Hello Andrew,

Thank you for conversing with me on these couple subjects. Please let this be the end of our discussion with all respect.

About The Word of God not being Jesus Christ is your own belief. It is not from the pits of hell. Hebrews 1:1-4, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 2:26-27, Revelation 3:20-21, Revelation 19:11-16. We are to honor the Son the same way we honor the Father, John 5:21-23. The Messiah/Christ being the anointed one of God. ( 1 John 2:23-24.

Just to straighten up a little with reply about receiving the Holy Ghost. I never said my experience, or experiences, was "feeling peace". Me stating most people in the world would not believe my experiences is because they are supernatural things. It was not me who chose God, He chose me. I know not why. All glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord and our Father in Heaven.

I don't know of any Scripture of people receiving the Holy Ghost just by "feeling peace". Although I do know of one that doesn't state it was after a water baptism nor did they speak in tongues. Acts 11:11-18.

I hope our discussion shall keep you from discrediting other believers in the Lord just because they don't speak in unknown tongues. We should all try to help one another with our faith in the Lord. Hebrews 13:1-2.

Peace be with you.

John 3:13: This chapter finds Jesus talking with Nicodemus about heavenly/spiritual things, which sadly, Nicodemus was ignorant of. He asks in verse 9, "How can these things be?", or in other words, 'Jesus, you're telling me strange things which I find impossible to accept & believe in'. So Jesus goes on to tell him that it's not only heavenly things but also earthly things that he doesn't understand. Then verse 13 refers to Jesus being the only one that is qualified to bring 'that heavenly light' to people as He was the one to come down from Heaven. And none else filled this position or was qualified, as not even Elijah or Enoch or even the OT saints have gone into Heaven & come back to Earth to reveal such Divine insights.

Psalm 2:7: This is one of many Messianic Psalms which have a reference to the coming Messiah (see also Psalms 8, 16, 22, 34, 35, 40, etc.). David would not have had full knowledge of what God had put on his heart to write, except that God did have a plan, that through David there would be in the future an everlasting kingdom ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13). Whether David felt there was some reference to him in Psalm 2:7, is not known, but he knew ultimately that these words did not apply only to Him but to Another, as we read the whole Psalm. Even the NT writers referred to it: Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5, indicating that they too saw Psalm 2:7 as ultimately referring to the Messiah. So, you're correct that it is God speaking to (or, inspiring) David to write the Psalm, but many Psalms & other OT writings are prophetical pointing to Jesus, as even Jesus Himself looked back at those prophecies that spoke of Him & urged others to do so ( John 5:39).

Reply to Ron:

It's all over the Bible, in different places: search the words: 'upside down'. However it has NOTHING to do with "Old Earth Theory" about creation. That's a cult.

People get confused with carbon dating. (my opinion)

The Bible which is a record of ONE person: Jesus; the Word of God. Genesis to Revelation leads up to the end of this age. 2 Peter: earth will burn up.

What scientists have long sought to explain=

Time, Force, Action, Matter, can all be explained in Genesis 1:1. How did it happen and WHO did it? The Godhead: the Father, the Word of God, the Spirit.

The First thing God created, was TIME. "In Beginning". John 1:2-5, Hebrews 1:1-16. Time began to tick for Creation and Man.

God Wills it

The Son ( Hebrews 1:5), The Word, speaks it

The Spirit performs it

Mishael: this is enough to get you on track with what happened in Genesis the first day. Get a study Bible that has Center Column references to further explanation (has tiny abc's imbedded in the scriptures). You don't need secular books to read this and understand better.

We need to understand that Satan and the 1/3 of his followers were thrown down to earth. There was war in heaven. That's what happened to Cain. His hateful heart opened a door. "They are, who found the daughters of Adam and Eve, desirable."

Until Jesus returns to earth, demonic activity will increase.

"Garnish your house" (you) with the Bible, Prayer and don't open doors to ungodly influences. The "falling away" is speeding up. Know what the "apostasy" is.

Keep your "oil of the joy of the Holy Spirit", topped off. (Ten virgins parable)

Cain is not in Geneology because of the curse.

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he (Satan) speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

M.

Hi John. Today we declare what's written, we have no new prophetic messages to give that's not given in scripture. God gives us his Devine word and the Holyspirit to discern truth.

In the old testament they used these measures you see in

Deuteronomy 18:21-22. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Listen to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:17-18. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

That Prophet was Jesus.

Hebrews 1:1-2. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake ""IN TIME PAST"" unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath ""IN THESE LAST DAYS"" spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Paul, you made a comment stating: that in the gospel of Matthew they were still under the old testament because Christ had not yet gone to the cross.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN suffereth violence, and the violent shall take it by force. (Jesus suffered the violence)

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets (old testament) and the law (old testament) prophesied UNTIL John.

Hebrews 1-2 .......Hath in these last days spoken by his Son....

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of THE KINGDOM ....

Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH UNTO YOU.

JESUS IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

John 17:21 That they ALL may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in ME, and I in THEE, that they also may be ONE in US......

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES; for to make in HIMSELF of TWAIN ONE NEW MAN, so making peace.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality (LIFE) dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power, everlasting. Amen.

There were those that BELIEVED before Christ died on the cross they just didn't receive the Holy Spirit until pentecost.

We all read over thing in the scriptures or have been taught by others that have read over things in the scriptures. We all learn from each other; but always being taught by the SPIRIT.

The Spirits wisdom and understanding be on you.

There are is so much in the bible for truth and righteousness in the scriptures but remember at this point in Matthew we are still in the Old Testament, the Lord hadn't gone to the cross. He is referring to the jews who are still living under the law and the jews of today are still trying to live by that law, whereas our only hope is the Lord Jesus Christ, we are saved by the blood He shed on the cross, not by our own works.

And as far as eternal security goes just go to Ephesians 1:13 which says "...we are saved by that Holy Spirit of promise". We are part of Christ's body those of us who are born again. Our soul and spirit have been redeemed but our sinful flesh hasn't and we are still waiting for the redemption of the purchased possession. Our works cannot save us.

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

About you saying that the bible says not to worship Jesus... uhm Jesus Christ is God.

He says in John 14:1 (KJV)

" John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."

Another scripture

Hebrews 1:1-6

"[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; [3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. [5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. "

Colossians 1:15-20 (KJV)

"[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: [16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. [18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. [19] For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; [20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

Trying to have a blind faith isn't good, what we really have to do is to search the scriptures (study it !).

These are all verses directed to Yehsua below; My God John 10:28, Thy throne of God Heb 1:8

Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28

1. Your throne, O God. ( Hebrews 1:8)

2. Thy throne, O God. ( Psalms 45:6)

3. the Word was God. ( John 1:1)

4. My God. ( John 20:28)

5. The mighty God. ( Isaiah 9:6)

6. God and Savior Jesus Christ. ( Titus 2:13)

7. the Lord God ... the Almighty. ( Revelation 1:8)

I really like Bob how you used 0 scriptures in your response!

Bob if Yeshua is less god then God the Father then are also you less human then your father!

I would be interested to learn of which 'worlds' you're thinking of. I've heard of folk believing that other worlds or even another creation of people on this Earth, exist, so am always watchful of any true, biblical references that can support these theories.

Hebrews 1:2

What other worlds did God create?

"There is not a single verse that says Jesus is God the Son" bla bla bla Son of God.. Here does it say straight out GOD, Almighty, Mighty GOD. This is not an eye problem but an heart problem for the deity of Yeshua The Messiah

1. Your throne, O God. ( Hebrews 1:8)

2. Thy throne, O God. ( Psalm 45:6)

3. the Word was God. ( John 1:1)

4. My God. ( John 20:28)

5. The mighty God. ( Isaiah 9:6)

6. God and Savior Jesus Christ. ( Titus 2:13)

7. the Lord God ... the Almighty. ( Revelation 1:8)

8. God and Savior Jesus Christ. ( 2 Peter 1:1)

"Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy." Hebrews 1:8

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psalm 45:6

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Titus 2:13 ( God, and, savior, our, Isous, Christou).

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8

Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1

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"you won't see God with his son standing next to him".

Luke 22:69; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; Acts 7:56; Romans 8:34; 1 Peter 3:22; etc.

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God did send out His Word by the prophets but lastly sent His final message through that same Word ( Hebrews 1:1,2), now clothed in flesh for not just in bringing out God's Word in Person, but for the main purpose, that this Word (of God, from God, as God) would lay down His Life as a full substitutionary payment for our sins.

So here is the difficulty that you have, implying: the Son of God was only that, a special separate creation, holy & sinless, Who would sacrifice His Life in our stead. Yes, He was a special creation, not out of nothing, but from God's very Being. Though the requirement of a spotless Sacrificial Lamb offering would have been met in such a (separate) creation by God, it would lack the most important aspect of such a sacrifice: that God Himself would make the payment for man's sins. This is the true & fullest expression of God's Love ( 1 John 3:16: "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he (God) laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."). God had to come down to the realm of sinful man, taking on his flesh & ultimately becoming the sin offering that gives full pardon to all who come to Him by faith & unequivocal love in response. If God did not take this initiative, or He (in Jesus) failed to rise from the dead, we would remain hopeless, unredeemable, consigned to hell fire for all eternity.

I pray Rob, that you & any other who is at variance to what the Scripture teaches on this important matter, might know that your salvation hangs onto the fact that God had to lay down His Life to redeem you, & that He accomplished that by coming down, sending His Word, in the Person of Jesus Christ, Who then rose again to the Father, to Whom He once prayed: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" ( John 17:5). A very compelling Statement of Truth.

Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake "IN TIME PAST" unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Thank you for your quick reply. God bless you and your family.