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Hi,

after the fall of Adam the father and eve the mother of all human beings which happened at the Garden of Eden in the beginning. Sin entered into the world and separated us from our God who made the heavens and the earth.

it is written in Romans 5;12 -14

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

-So, this sin that entered separated us from God who is Holy as it is written in the book of Isaiah 59:2

It's your sins that have cut you off from God. Because of your sins, he has turned away and will not listen anymore.

Now man was created to fellowship with God but due to the sins committed at the garden of Eden which cause separation there was nothing that man could do to get Righthouse with God. But the mercy of God is great and endures forever.

as it is written in Psalm 107:1

1.Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good! For His mercy endures forever.

and in John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved

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Amen.

Part 2.

3. The word of God the Bible is either it has happened, or it is happening, and it is for us set as an example for how we should live before the Lord our God. it is also very current and accurate. See Malach 3:16 and Jude 1:7. thus

it is written in Hebrews 4:12

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

and in 2 timothy 3:16

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work

-And There are prophecy which will come to be fulfilled like the coming of the ant-Christ but remember there are many anti-Christ today.

as it is written in 1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour

4. anyone who turns away from sins makes himself a prey it is written in.

Isaiah 59:15

Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

-So the devil does not care for anyone who calls himself Christian but is not committed. But if anyone is committed and obeys Gods word and does all is written in the bible then Satan shifts all his attentions to them and hence the wiles of the devil. Therefore, put all the Armour of God not one but all. as it is written in Ephesians 6:11

11Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

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Amen

Good answers brother Jesse. I've been observing your interactions here & elsewhere, but kept out of it so that your attention be focussed. But just popping in here now, to make some general observations, but not necessarily seeking comments.

a. Judas' spiritual condition. I believe that none of the twelve were Christians. They may have portrayed that name (Christian) by following Jesus & being discipled by Him, but could not be considered to be Christians as defined post Acts chap 2. When Jesus sent them out to the lost sheep of Israel, He gave them power for that specific ministry & time ( Matthew 10:1-8), just as certain people in the OT received God's Spirit to accomplish their tasks ( Numbers 11:25-27; Othniel, Judges 3:10; Gideon, Judges 6:34; Jephthah, Judges 11:29; Isaiah 59:21; & many more) - none of these were permanently indwelt by the Spirit, but the Spirit was given by God for a special purpose. As you mentioned, Judas & the other eleven were all sinners, but the day would come when they would be transformed (except Judas who suicided), & do great exploits in Jesus' Name.

b. Water baptism. After the twelve (now Matthias is included here) had the Holy Spirit come upon them, and in them & baptized them with the evidence of speaking in 'unlearned' tongues, were these apostles ever water baptized? I never recall any of them writing of that event taking place in their lives. Of course, Paul did, but he was not of the twelve, as "one born out of due time", but were the twelve ever baptized in water? Jesus had left them before this time, so He couldn't do it and there was no one else that was born again at that time to do it, so I wonder what happened. Some maintain that they were definitely baptized, but there's no evidence of it, & if not baptized, then the apostles would have still baptized others. Or I've heard, that they baptized each other, which doesn't make sense as their testimony was the same. So maybe an unbaptized believer can baptize another.

Yes Jema:

God has given you a new name.

The resurrection made all things NEW, including your name.

Isaiah 62:2 ...... and thou shall be called by a new name ....

Revelation 2:17 ...and I will give him a white stone, and in that stone a NEW NAME written, which no man knoweth but he that RECEIVETH it.

Revelation 3:12 ...and i will write upon him my new name ...

If you don't YET know your new name, the word of God tells you what that name is.

You were married to Christ by his and your resurrection TOGETHER, the bride takes the name of her husband,

You were baptised in the NAME of Jesus.

There was only ONE BODY raised at the resurrection, and that ONE BODY was given LIFE by ONE SPIRIT.

1 Corinthians 12:27 NOW you are the body of Christ .....

Luke 8:11 .... the SEED is the WORD OF GOD .....

Isaiah 59:21 And this is my covenant with them (YOU), saith the Lord, the words that I (the Father) have put in your (Christ's) mouth, shall not depart out of your (Christ is the WORD, the SEED) mouth, nor out of thy SEED (your born again by the WORD of GOD----you become SEED) nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED (your are going to bear fruit---SEED), saith the Lord, from henceforth (the resurrection) and forever.

You are the BODY OF CHRIST.

Revelation 19:16 And he had on his vesture and on his thigh (body) written, THE LORD OF LORDS AND THE KING OF KINGS

Revelation 19:13 ...and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD ....

Revelation 1:1 The REVELATION (the revealing) of Jesus Christ .....

Revelation 1:11 .... I AM .... the first (man) ....I AM .... the last (man)

Exodus 3:13 .... I AM that I AM .... I AM hath sent ME to YOU ....

John 17:22 ...and the GLORY that thou has given me, I have GIVEN THEM ....that they may be ONE as we are ONE ...

You were given a NEW NAME, a gift of GOD, by the death and resurrecting of CHRIST.

God bless you.

TammyC:

Matthew 13:30 Let them grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The field is the world, both the seeds of wheat and the seeds of tares are planted together, they grow together and are harvested together, but one goes to the fire and the other to the barn.

During Christ time everyone was associated with farming, today not many know much of anything about farming.

The tares are weeds, yet they also bear seed, the farmer burned the weeds to destroy their seed; so they, the weeds, would not keep multiplying, the wheat is gather into the barn to be replanted and thus multiplying.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: the SEED is the WORD of GOD.

Christ is the SEED, the SEED (wheat) is gather into the barn and replanted so it will multiply.

Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must go again (after your harvested) and prophesy again before many peoples, and nations and tongues.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the SEED) died anymore (you died with Christ): for they (the SEED) are EQUAL unto the angels; and are the children (the SEED) of God, being the children of the RESURRECTION (you were raised with Christ) ...

the new creation the new SEED.

Isaiah 59:21 And this is my covenant with them (the harvested SEED), saith the Lord (our Father), MY SPIRIT that is upon thee (Christ, the WORD, the SEED, and the WORDS (seed) that I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED forever.

God bless you.

Jimbob:

The written word; through BELIEF of those written words, BECOMES the LIVING WORD:

The WORD of God is the SEED

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: the SEED is the WORD of GOD.

John 1:1 In the beginning was THE WORD (the seed), and THE WORD (the seed) was with God, and THE WORD (the seed) was God.

The WRITTEN words are just a WITNESS, of the LIVING WORD.

John 1:14 And THE WORD was made flesh .....

Romans 8:3 God (the Word, the SEED) sending his own son (the WORD, the SEED) as SINFUL FLESH ....

ALL FLESH (the WORD, THE SEED became flesh) died on the Cross with CHRIST: ALL FLESH arose a NEW CREATION (the WORD, the SEED)

Psalms 12:6 The WORDS (YOU, all men; the new creation, by the WORKS of the resurrection) are pure (living) WORDS: as silver TRIED in the furnace of earth (you were first made of dust), purified seven times (this is speaking of the living WORD (YOU) not the written WORD (the letters of the law).

The WRITTEN WORD has to become the LIVING WORD.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible SEED (sinful flesh), but incorruptible, by the (living WORD, made known by the written) WORD OF GOD, with liveth and abideth forever.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me (God the WORD, the SEED), this is my covenant with them (the new creation in Christ, by his resurrection), My spirit that I have put upon THEE (CHRIST), and my (living) WORDS that I have put in thy (Christ's) mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed (the WORD), nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED (the WORD) forever.

God bless you.

Joesph,

When God is not answering our prayers there are a couple of things that might be going on. First, we are likely asking amiss, meaning we are asking outside of God's will. We are asking within our own will. James 4:3 says Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

God's ways are higher than our ways and God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts. We are finite and cannot see the entire picture but God can!

Secondly, we can hinder our prayer life with unconfessed sins. Psalms 66:18 says If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:

Isaiah 59:2 says But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

These are two reasons that prayers are not answered...The first is in my opinion more often than the latter...

Another reason is...it is simply just not time yet! We always have to remember everything is in God's perfect timing! Not in our timing as I said previously, we cannot see the whole picture but God can!

So continue to pray and ask the Holy Ghost to lead you in your prayers or maybe just simply ask if your prayer is really within God's will.

God's unanswered prayers are sometimes His greatest blessings!

David:

I'm not disagreeing with you, Mosses and the Prophets are all exact history; and you are right, inside that history is also prophecy, HIDDEN in parables and symbolism.

Some were physically destroyed in the Old; in the New, it's the carnal mind that has to be destroyed. If we don't come to truth, then we will see death, if truth prevails, then we will not see death.

Those that don't come to truth, will be raised back in their flesh, and judged by the ones that did come to truth, then they also will come to truth.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me (the Father) this is MY COVENANT with them (creation), saith the LORD, MY SPIRIT that is upon the (Jesus), and MY WORDS which I HAVE PUT in your mouth (Jesus), shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of THY SEED, nor out of the mouth of THY SEED'S SEED, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

God Bless YOU as HE brings his creation to TRUTH.

David:

Matthew 24, The fig tree in leaf: is speaking of the NEW ISRAEL, the born again, Christ is the TREE, we are the leaves, NOT national Israel.

PROPHECY:

Isaiah 6:13 But ye in it (the land) shall be a TENTH (the tithe to God, the FIRSTBORNE of the flock), and it (the Priest and Judges of the earth) SHALL RETURN, and shall be eaten; as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is IN THEM (Christ IN YOU), when they cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED (the word of God, Christ IN YOU) shall be the substance thereof.

Revelation 22:2 And in the midst of the street of it (new Jerusalem), and on either side of the river (of LIFE: Christ), was there the tree of LIFE (Christ), which bear twelve manner of fruit (new Israel), and yielded her fruit every month (continual rebirth into new Israel): and the LEAVES were for the HEALING OF THE NATIONS.

Isaiah 59:21 And this is my covenant with them (the firstborne), saith the Lord, MY SPIRIT (the SEED) that is poured out on THEE (Christ, the firstborne SEED, of many SEED), and my words which I PUT in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, nor out of the mouth of THY SEED, or out of the mouth of THY SEED'S SEED, from henceforth and evermore.

The fruit of the TREE (CHRIST) is the children of Christ; and are HIS IMAGE, the NEW Israel.

God Bless YOU!

Amen U4YAH:

You are correct; most if not all of the Psalms are prophecies of Christ; AND, all the words of Psalms are the words of the spirit of Christ; AND, Christ has the spirit of his Father ( 2 Samuel 23:1-2)( Isaiah 59:21).

Psalms 23:6 Surly goodness and mercy shall follow me (Christ) all the days of my life: and I (Christ) will dwell in the HOUSE of the LORD forever.

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own HOUSE; whose HOUSE ARE WE ....

Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery .....Christ in you .....

Keep sharing as the spirit reveals HIS TRUTH to you.

God Bless You!

Alleluia. Amen. By Your grace Lord Jesus, To You be all glory forever.

Psalm18:1-2 kjv, Coloss 2:15 kjv, Heb 10:19 kjv, Exodus 14:14 kjv,

Ephesians 6:16-18 kjv, Isaiah 59:19 kjv, Psalm 59:16-17 kjv,

I was studying Law in Michigan when they voted & allowed the horrific crime of "Partial Birth Abortion" it was described in detail. Where the woman would go full term, into natural birth then,._(the act I do not want to even speak about how) they do the horrific crime, Killing the newly born child.

In the Constitution of the United States it establishes the Right to Life. The Rights to GOD given Rights. Those are the Laws I would start with. I ask you to pray how you can honor GOD ALMIGHTY & protect innocent life.

2Kings 24:4, Proverbs 6:16-17, Deuteronomy 27:25, Joel 3:19, Psalms 10:8, Isaiah 59:7,

* Jeremiah 22:3,

James 1:5-7,

1Peter 3:7, Micah 3:4, Isaiah 1:15, Psalms 66:18, Isaiah 59:2, Proverbs 1:28-30, James 4, James 5:1-9,

2Chronicles 7:14, 1Peter 3:12, humble ourselves, turn from evil, 1Timothy 2:8, James 5:10-12,

Even when things look impossible keep praying: Isaiah 38:1-9, Matthew 9:29, Matthew 17:14-21, Matthew 7:7-8, Luke 11:9-13, Acts 12:5-18, James 5:13-20

Never give up

Psalms 37, 1Thessalonians 5:17, James 5:16,

Beautifully put. I believe some misunderstand, the "Coming of The LORD, Return of The LORD, THE Day of The LORD " as I did also, as dearly loved fellowship of Believers would pray for it. Maybe by Philippians 3:20, eagerly awaiting, & Colossians 4:2, That misinterpreted.

Then one day I read: Amos 5:18-24,

People long for Mercy, Justice, correct judgement that may be the root of the plea, prayer.

However Jesus instruction was pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven " Matthew 6:9-13,

Daniel 7:27, Psalms 145:13, John 17, note John 17:15-16, Luke 17:20-21,

Proverbs 21:3, Isaiah 56:1, Psalms 82:3, Isaiah 59:4, (context Isaiah 59), Jeremiah 22:15, * Isaiah 58,

2Samuel 8:15, 1Kings 10:9, Ezekiel 45:9, Micah 6:8,

We even as 1 person can bring justice, mercy, truth, hope, deliverance, through faith, endurance, prayer, action & being a living example

Romans 1:17, James 2, Hebrews 11, 2Corinthians 5:7, Mark 11:22-26,

We are called to bring Justice, Judgement, Mercy.

Ecclesiastes 5:8, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 6,

Psalms 102:17, * James 5,

Hopefully these are helpful, please share these scriptures with those whom you feel led as a tool

This is a fascinating thing. I heard a sermon one time saying the words spoken about "if someone sees the face of GOD they cannot live" he said "they cannot live, the same" Is this the question you're looking deeper into? Genesis 32:20,30, Exodus 33:11, Exodus 34:28-30,35,

It would be very interesting to do a study on the words. Exodus 3:6, Exodus 33:20,23, Numbers 6:25, Deuteronomy 5:1-5, Deuteronomy 31:17,18, Deuteronomy 32:20, Deuteronomy 34:10, Judges 6:22, 1Kings 13:6, 1Chronicles 16:11, 2Chronicles 7:14, 2Chronicles 30:9, Psalms 13:1, Psalms 17:5, Psalms 22:24, Psalms 105:4, Isaiah 54:8, Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 21:10, Ezekiel 20:35,

Perhaps it's the word "man" that the emphasise is. Romans 8:14, Galatians 4:6, Hebrews 12:7, John 1:12, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1,2 , 1John 4:15, How sad it is when a living father says "see his face no more" or turns his face.

Genesis 3:8-10, interestingly, in this translation it says they heard "the voice of the LORD" they "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God"

What's amazing is: Genesis 4:16, it appears even though they were cast out of the garden GOD's presence was still with them.

Psalms 139, Job 4:15,

Hopefully this is helpful

Lord Jesus I continue to ask for strong protection for my family and I, esp. the little one (I plead the blood of Jesus over us and ask for a wall of Holy Spirit fire around each of us and your mighty warrior angels to surround us according to Ps 91, Ps. 34:7, Zech. 2:5, Isaiah 54:17, Isaiah 59:19, Ps3:3, 2 Thess. 3:2-3, Jeremiah 15:20-21) and I ask for salvation (Your arm is not too short to save Lord. Please save now. Thank you.), deliverance, healing (Is 53:5, Jer. 30:17), unity and a mighty outpouring of the Holy Spirit for my whole family and I, those close to us and all others in need all over the world for you are able to do exceedingly, abundantly, above and beyond. Thank you and praise you Lord Jesus. In your holy name I pray. Amen.

Ray,

Romans 11:26 tells us that all Israel shall be saved. Now, that does not mean that every single Israelite, past, present, and future is going to be saved. It means that when Christ comes (After the fullness of the Gentiles), which is a time period from Pentecost until the Rapture of the church, but when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, there will be a Tribulation Period.

And then afterwards, when Christ comes at His second coming, those Jews who are on the earth will be saved, approximately one third of them that began the tribulation period. It says "As it is written, there shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

It goes on further in Romans 11:27, which is the fulfilment of the prophecy given to us in Isaiah 59:21 and Zechariah 12:10. All of these tell us that when Christ comes, they (the Jews) are going to look on Him whom they have pierced, and He is going to take away all of their sins. This will come at Christ's second coming. At Jesus' second coming, every Jew who is still alive on this earth will be saved!

Please read:

Jeremiah 9:23-25, Zephaniah 1:9,

Promise of punishment to Hebrews if they did not reform; Leviticus 26:23-25, Amos 3:2,

GOD's punishment; Jeremiah 44:13, Hosea 12:2,

Ezekiel 25:14,17, Jeremiah 51:11,36,37, Psalms 94:1, Jeremiah 50:15,18, Luke 21:22, Isaiah 63:4, Micah 5:15, Isaiah 61:2, Psalms 149:7, Jeremiah 11:20, Isaiah 47:3, Isaiah 34:6-9, Psalms 99:6-9, Ezekiel 25:12,

Isaiah 59:16-21, redemption & recompense, Jeremiah 51:6, Jeremiah 30:20, Zephaniah 1:8,

2 Thessalonians 6-9, Hope of GOD's recompense, it is "righteouss" Isaiah 35:4,

Romans 12:19, Hebrews 10:28-31, Deuteronomy 32:35,

Jude 1:5-7,

Nahum 1:2, ''GOD is furious"

parable of THE SEED

Luke 8:11 The parable is this, THE SEED is the WORD of God.

John 1:14 And the WORD was made flesh...

Jesus is THE SEED

SEED always multiples ITSELF, if a single wheat seed is planted, it multiples into multiple SEEDS that are exactly like THE SEED planted.

Christ is THE SEED and being planted IN YOU, you become SEED exactly like THE SEED planted.

Christ is the HOLY GHOST.

Mary was impregnated by the HOLY GHOST (the seed), and the Holy Ghost (the seed) was born flesh (CHRIST).

We (the woman, Christ wife) are impregnated by the Holy Ghost (CHRIST) and we will DELIVER a CHILD (SEED) exactly like the SEED planted.

Isaiah 59:21 AS for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, or out of the mouth of THY SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, from hencefoth and forever.

I AM the first (SEED) and the last (SEED).

Let US make MAN in our IMAGE.

Ephesians 2:10 We are his workmanship, CREATED in Christ Jesus......

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are CREATED: thou renewest the face of the earth.

Sister GiGi, When the Spirit causes me (everyone) to respond to HIS WILL we may think that the verses we respond with is our works and our knowledge; but this not true, the Spirit cause us to bring to mind the scriptures he wills to be revealed. We are just THE POT. Just as the Holy men of old wrote what God willed them to write we do the same.

The scriptures I quoted came from the Spirit causing me to quote those scriptures that he willed.

All the comments and scriptures you (the pot) have given; were not actually from you, but the potter.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My Spirit (the Father's) that is upon thee (the Son), and my words (the Father's) which I have put in thy (the Son's) mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy (the Son's) SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

WE are being CREATED in HIS IMAGE ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49).

Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people that shall be CREATED shall praise the Lord.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy SPIRIT, they are CREATED: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

GBU

I surely did experience experience how much the Holy Spirit feels about gossip, backbiting and criticism of another believer. The fire fell. I'll never forget it.

I truly believe all of what's written in 1 Corinthians 12. People try to say God doesn't move that way anymore, but He does. Scripture says: touch not My anointed, and do my prophets no harm. We can discern the real deal if what a person says, comes to pass. God always confirms HIS WORD.

We are living in that Time when false prophets and false teachers will abound. However, no matter what we think about "The Vessel" God chooses, we need to rightly divide the Word of God.

In the Old Testament, the priests that approached the Ark of the Covenant, did it rightly and carefully. Sometimes we forget He's Holy and cannot look upon sin. That is exactly why we need Jesus, our High Priest. We pray to God, in the Name of Jesus. We respect His Blood Sacrifice, so we can approach boldly with our requests.

That's how people get saved, healed and delivered of demonic influence. If we're spiritually blind and deaf, we can be made whole. We must be serious and respectful of the holiness of the Godhead. Jesus protects us, the Holy Spirit teaches us of the flames of Gods love. (He just said that to me) Now I must go study.

If we approach and give ourselves fully and completely for Gods use, then someday we will be jewels. Malachi 3:16-18, chapter 4; Isaiah 59:21

There is verse in a song that I love (the final verse)__"the singer met the Song, and he understood." I've learned the praise and worship that we give freely to God, it changes our hearts.

He's so much higher than we little clay pots that He fills with His Spirit. How so wonderful to be a block of wood in the Masters hands, that he is making into useful and beautiful.

The glamour of this world, that we cannot possibly imagine passed away, will be a thing of beauty when He makes it new again; and decorates it with His jewels.

GBU Bro Earl Bowman that Isaiah 59: 21 you quoted is very powerful scripture for an ISRAEL OF GOD, The multiplication of very God via the seed of Christ and not only the seed of Christ but the seed of the H.G. THE GRANSON . thy SEEDS SEED meaning the seed of Christ a living being the H.G. that Child of Promise ( THE BABES AND SUCKLINGS ) that are gonna be born in us via his seed the words of the book in the Fathers right hand . Thus an Israel of Gods that are gonna be born in humanity, Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my Name receiveth ME. In his NAME implies he is the FATHER of the H.G. that is gonna be born in US ,that Child of Promise , The kINGDOM has to come via seed which are his words of the new covenant the book that has to be opened resulting in the woman in travail and birth pains. When Isaiah saw the kingdom of God coming he says unto us a Child is born ,unto us a son is given, And Jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD ( a birth ) you will in no wise enter there in we be the woman with Child which is the H.G. The Child of Promise ,When Jeremiah spoke of the New Covenant 30: 6 he spoke of ALL MEN BEING IN TRAVAIL AND BIRTH PAINS. If i be lifted up I will draw All men unto me. Thus an ISRAEL OF GOD GBU Bro. Earl and your family in Jesus Name .

Amen and Amen, Brother Alex: I believe you have quoted this scripture before, but I can't remember so I will quote it again.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me (the Father), this is my (the Father's) covenant with them (creation), saith the Lord (the Father), My (the Father's) SPIRIT (SEED) that is upon thee (the SON, the WORD, the SEED), and the words (SEED) which I (the Father) put in your (the son's) mouth, shall not depart out of thy (the SON'S, the SEED'S) mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy (the SON'S) SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, saith the Lord (the Father), from henceforth and for ever.

GBU

Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam) - continued:

8) Prophecy mainly concerns nations as such ( Isaiah 2:4; Ezekiel 37:21-22)

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

8) The Mystery Concerns individuals ( Romans 10:12-13; 2 Corinthians 5:14-17)

9) Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, on earth ( Isaiah 2:3-4; Isaiah 11:1-9; etc.)

RDf

9) The Mystery Concerns "all spiritual blessings in The Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 3:1-3)

10) Prophecy concerns Christ's Coming to the earth ( Isaiah 59:20; Zechariah 14:4)

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10) The Mystery Explains Christ's absence from the earth ( Ephesians 1:20-24; Colossians 3:1-3)

11) In prophecy, salvation by Grace through faith alone is not contemplated ( Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 23:1-3; Luke 7:29-30; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; James 2:17)

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11) Salvation "By GRACE Through faith" Alone lies at The Very Heart Of The Mystery! ( Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-9)

12) The proclamation of the prophetic program committed particularly to the twelve ( Matthew 10:5-7; Acts 1:6-8; Acts 3:19-26)

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12) The proclamation of The Mystery program committed particularly to Paul ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Ephesians 3:8-9; Colossians 1:24-27)

13) The prophetic program revealed through many of God's servants Luke 1:70; 2 Peter 1:21)

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13) The Mystery revealed through one man: Paul! ( Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 2:2; Galatians 2:7; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2-3)

14) Old Testament writers frequently did not understand the prophecies made through them ( Daniel 12:8-10; 1 Peter 1:10-12)

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14) Paul Both understood And longed that others might understand The Mystery revealed through him ( Ephesians 1:15-23; Ephesians 3:14-21; Colossians 1:9-10; Colossians 2:1-3)

{borrowed from "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam}

Sister Laura, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

To understand the Father, the Son Jesus and the the rest of us (sons and daughters) you have to understand SEED and how it MULTIPLIES ITSELF.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The SEED is the WORD of God.

The Father is the WORD; therefore, the Father is ALSO the SEED.

When you place a SEED in fertile soil the SEED sprouts (a body). That growing sprout (body) looks nothing like the SEED planted; but when that SEED matures, the sprout (body) dies and the SEED is harvested. This harvested SEED is EXACTLY like the SEED that was planted.

The FIRST SEED was the FATHER, the FIRST SEED that came from the FATHER (SEED) was CHRIST. NOW there are TWO SEED; but the TWO are EXACTLY ALIKE (ONE), there are one in the sense that when that SEED is planted again in fertile soil it will bring forth SEED EXACTLY like the SEED planted.

GOD, the FATHER, the WORD, The SEED was FIRST BEGOTTEN in Christ; therefore, Christ became a SEED. He became the fullness: God, the FATHER,the WORD, the SEED.

When this SEED (Christ in you) is mature and HARVESTED at death of the body, the you become a SEED EXACTLY like THE FATHER and CHRIST.

John 17:21 That they all may be ONE (SEED); as thou Father, are in me, and I in thee, that they ALSO may be one (SEED), even as we are one (SEED).

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God (SEED) giveth it (SEED) a body as it has pleased him, and to every SEED his (SEED) own body.

You are going to be EXACTLY like CHRIST and ready to be planted in fertile ground and bring forth more SEED.

Isaiah 59:21 And as for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I HAVE PUT in your mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.

We can not began to comprehend the glory awaiting us.

Hello Faith. Your desire & yearning to learn more of our Heavenly Father & the riches we have In Christ, are commendable indeed. And all those treasures are found in God's Word, as we study & meditate on it, asking His Spirit for illumination & application in our lives. There is probably some discussion on the matters you raised in the comments made by various folk here, but you can click on "Discussion by Book/Chapter or by Topic" which may narrow down your search.

To your specific question now: it is true, because of Adam & Eve's disobedience & the sin nature taking root in their lives, that they lost that special intimacy that they had with their Creator. And as Isaiah wrote in Isaiah 59:2: "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his (God's) face from you, that he will not hear." Whenever man entertains sin in his life, he can't expect God to speak & direct him. Israel was the chosen people of God & God poured out His Love upon them. Even though they, like us, inherited the sin nature from our first parents, God still loved them & made them His special possession. Yet, they still abused that Love & sinned & served the gods of the nations around them. But God did not stop speaking & continued to persevere with them, giving them warnings; & this He did by the prophets.

But those of the gentile nations to whom God had not revealed Himself & were wholly given to all manner of wickedness, God was silent. Though His Word did not come to them, His punishment did, when Israel was tasked to conquer their lands & wipe them out. Even in this, Israel disobeyed God, & so suffered because of them, both physically & spiritually. God has always spoken to His people through the prophets & now, through His Son ( Hebrews 1:1,2). And yet, as the Gospel goes out, people refuse to heed the cry of God for all men everywhere to repent & turn to Him ( 2 Peter 3:9).

God still speaks - but man still refuses to listen & call upon Him.

The devil would not allow any of us to be saved/born again...However its not his choice its our choice and if we choose God satan cant stop that though he may try it....You gave your life to the Lord and now draw closer to God as much as you can and He will protect you..lead you and keep you. God has all power over the enemy..over satan and this is why satan will not ever really win because his time is short and we know he loses. Just keep Praising God ..grow close to God in prayers and fasting ..if you dont know how there are a few different kind but I would seek God on what He wants you to do and how to do it. My prayer is you will endure til the end... like a baby we all start on the bottle of milk and end up growing up so its 1 day at a time. If you fall Repent and keep going.

Thanks to God, the Father, the son and holy Spirit Amen. I am delighted in knowing more about God and also to be a tool in his vanyard but it seems the devil wouldn't allow me , I think I need help from the holy Spirit thanks.

Hi Sheila. It would be difficult to share on verse 4 only, without looking at the whole Psalm. So, I shall give some thoughts for you. The author of Psalm 100 is unknown, but it is a call for ALL to worship the LORD. The Psalmist is so full of praise & thanksgiving, that he longs for all the inhabitants of the Earth to worship the LORD (v1).

He then adds in verse 3, to know that the LORD is (the One) God. Psalm 96:5: "For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens." That there can only be one True God for He is the One Who has created us, we are accounted as His very own - as a Shepherd Who owns, guards & nourishes His flock - He loves all His creation, even those who reject or deny Him - He gives blessing to each one ( Matthew 5:45: "(God) maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."). And a further reminder, that He created mankind & we are not "self-created" or from our vain imaginations, but that God is not only our Creator but our Sustainer & Provider.

With that Truth in our hearts, why shouldn't all people respond with "thanksgiving, praise & blessing" to His Name (v 4), & especially to those to Whom He has revealed Himself (Israel) & to those of us, by virtue of His Son's Death & Resurrection & Gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Israel should have entered the Temple gates & courtyard with such joy & confidence in their Creator but sin hid God's Face from them ( Isaiah 59:2). Likewise, harbouring sin in our lives, will keep us from joy & confidence in the Lord & our praise might be only empty words habitually spoken. But when we come into the Holy Place (the place of His Presence, of joy & rest), we can be confident because of "having clean hands, and a pure heart" ( Psalm 24:4) & that because of Jesus' shed Blood for us ( Hebrews 10:19-22). We can praise Him from our hearts through words, music, testimony & witness ( Hebrews 13:15).

(You can add to the above, as you're led).

Thank you Sacha for your comment. Now this thread you refer to, I do remember. I know that many don't believe in a literal place of suffering & eternal torment, as those who refer to themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses believe the same. All that we know of such a place is found in God's Word, so it boils down to whether we accept what is given or treat those passages as somehow lacking in actuality & just a vivid description of a soul's abandonment.

Sacha, you are well read in the Scriptures, so I need not list even some of those passages which speak of suffering & an eternal torment. I would say that many of the people I've spoken to who also don't believe in a place of suffering, usually cannot fathom how a merciful loving God could consign anyone to such a place - surely there must be some respite & future forgiveness or else, the sinner must just disappear into non-existence into the earth.

Simply put, why I believe in a literal place of punishment & torment is because OF THE CROSS. You & I know that all of mankind are sinners & our sins have separated us from God ( Isaiah 59:2). So why should God provide such a Sacrifice for us? Since we ALL have to die physically, why not just let us "eat, drink & be merry" for only the grave lies before us?

Did Jesus, the Son of God, willingly lay down His Life just to give us better option of deliverance than just returning back to dust? True, the prospect of living eternally in God's Presence ought to be our desire, but for me (& from the preaching of Jesus & the apostles), the CERTAINTY of eternal torment (for my sins & rejection of God's salvation) is equally compelling for me to flee the sinful life & cleave to the One Who gives new life & hope. If there wasn't a hell, then God fails as a God of justice, as death alone is insufficient punishment for sin. ( Matthew 25:41). The fact that God provided us a place at Calvary proves that His Love was so great that warranted our preservation from a place far worse than death.