Discuss Jeremiah 30 Page 2

Revelation and the 144,000

Jesus said that not all the towns would be preached to in Israel before the Son of Man came back ( Matt. 10:23). When we look at the seventy who went out ( Luke 10:1) we see what may be a prototype; so to speak of those sent out "two by two" in the future in regard to the two prophets in Revelation. The time of Jacobs trouble in Jeremiah 30:7 shows how the Tribulation is basically for testing of the Jewish people. In light of this; we see the 144,000 also fulfilling the role and God's judgment in Matthew 25:36 seems to be dependent on how people support or don't help out those evangelists during the Tribulation.

I have stated several times the significance that by the sixth seal everyone is aware of God and His Son in heaven and their wrath that is coming. I have also stated that even if the Rapture is hidden in meaning to some; the Resurrection and resulting emptying of tombs cannot be hidden. Thence the fear of the Lord will wake some up ( Psalm 40:3); while others harden their hearts beyond hope as we see the reactions in the Trumpet judgments (where idols continue to be worshipped); and the bowl judgments where ultimately Satan is sided with by all unregenerate to fight Christ in Armageddon ( Rev. 19; Psalm 2).

Hence; we are seeing signs and wonders as in the Old Testament but we have Christians on earth. The church; however represented by kings and priests ( Rev. 5:10 and later scriptures in the same book) is separated as the Bride of Christ from the general throng of believers. THe type of gospel preached; therefore would much like Jesus preached to the spirits in 1 Peter 3:19; more of a declaration. There will be people saved; but as I see it many at least who have garments made white ( Rev. 7:14) may be lukewarm believers left behind or at the very least it is the requirement of those who wish to bear fruit at that time. Revelation 17:8 shows how predestination affects those lost; and those saved are in the Book.

David0921 lemme just say this to you and your doctrine of the bible being God himself....Israel was Sola Scriptura Written words only....They knew the bible by heart....But Jesus tells them you are of your father the Devil....Not that the bible was of the devil but their hearts were of the Devil.....And the written word cd not fix their hearts....It wd require a New Covenant to give mankind a new heart and a new spirit by the blood of Jesus at Calvary.... Rev 5:1...Now there is a new BOOK in the right hand of the Father, this is the book of life....That N.C.....And whosoever was not found written in this new book of life that Jesus wrote with his own blood was cast into the lake of fire....Which is baptism of the H.G. and fire....That fire that Jesus wants to bring on all the world....As our God is a consuming fire....That is gonna consume mans evil adamic heart...Thats y Jesus says he came to bring fire on the earth....Which is a cleansing Fire...As Malachi 3:2 explains.

Thus Faith can only come by the living word the seed of the sower that book in the Fathers right hand....Initiating a spiritual pregnancy by the seed of the bridegroom as his seed is spirit and life ... Hebrews 11:1...Thats y Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen...The Child....B/C i have spoken these words sorrows has filled your hearts....A spiritual pregnancy....He wants to impregnate this whole world with his precious seed.... Jeremiah 30:6 Why do i see the whole world in travail and birthpains....David thats y the new birth is so important....And it can only happen by the living word the contents of that book in the fathers right hand....Not by reading a bible...HE HAS TO KNOW US....WE NEED LIVING SEED ( THE BRIDEGROOMS SEED)...Not written words...But the seed of the Bridegroom are Living words of life the Children of Promise..THE H.G...

COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.

Part 4.

Continuing from Jeremiah 30:7-12.

There is no good reason for not taking this exactly as it is written, namely, that David will be raised from the dead and will with Christ reign over the people of Israel in the millennium. Even if David is understood to refer to Christ as David's greater Son, it is still a clear reference to a future millennium rather than to a situation that exists today.

In Jeremiah 33:14-17 we have another account where Jeremiah as do Daniel, looks past the captivity of Babylon on into the future in the latter days.

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.

In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

Ezekiel 37:22-25.

in Ezekiel's days David had been dead over four hundred years and that this is a prophecy that David will be raised from the dead prior to the millennial reign of Christ and share with Christ the rule of the people of Israel. Something quite foreign to the Church age.

Anther issue which is often debated concerning the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant is the fact that for many years the throne was unoccupied.

From the time of the Babylonian captivity on there was no literal earthly kingdom. This, however, is taken into full consideration in the Word of God in Hosea 3:4-5.

See Part 5.

OLD TESTAMENT CONFIRMATION OF THE COVENAN.

Part 3.

COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.

picking up from Psalms 89:27-37.

According to this psalm the covenant concerns David, his physical seed, and the relationship of his rule to the children of Israel. There is no indication that this kingdom extended to a spiritual entity such as the church nor that the throne in view is the throne of God in heaven rather than the throne of David on earth.

As mentioned previously; in Isaiah 9:6-7 it is stated again that the throne of David is in view:

Yhe throne of David is mentioned specifically and the promise indicates that the fulfillment will go on forever.

In Jeremiah 23:5-6 the reign of the king who is the son of David is described as coming to pass in a day when Judah and Israel shall be saved and dwell safely.

In the verses immediately following, this reign is linked with the regathering of the children of Israel and their occupation of their ancient lands. Jeremiah 23:7-8.

It is certainly extreme spiritualization to take the regathering of Israel as an equivalent of the outcalling of the church and the execution of "justice and righteousness in the land" as being a reference to the rule of Christ in heaven, as amillenarians would need to interpret the passage. This is another strong confirmation that the literal interpretation of the Davidic covenant was intended.

In Jeremiah 30:7-9 another reference is found to the reign of the seed of David and again it is in a context of Israel's future regathering which will be consummated following the great tribulation.

As in other passages, the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant is linked with the return of Israel to the land following their time of Jacob's trouble, as indicated in the preceding verses Jeremiah 30:10-12

Here it is stated that they will serve God and David their king.

See Part 4.

Revelation: First and second half (continued).

Assuming the church is gone; as far as the operation of the Holy Spirit as the restrainer now stands or as salt and light we see the familiar war; famine and pestilence pattern of judgments gallop forth with the seal judgments. This time of "Jacob's trouble" ( Jeremiah 30:7) also contains a promise that eventually they will be delivered out of it.

Verses on war; famine and pestilence

Jeremiah 24:10 is one of many passages in the Old Testament prophetic books warning of the sword; famine and pestilence. At least two out of 3 of these judgments are proclaimed in numerous other passages such as Lamentations 4:9; Ezekiel 5:12; and many other places in these same books. The Gospels also warn of such events in the birth pangs warnings in Matthew 24:8.

There is a basic change that I have noted between the attitude in Revelation 6 and that in Revelation 19. Men who feared God and hid from him will now openly fight against Christ; and the blasphemy of Antichrist (no doubt taking credit for killing the 2 prophets as well as ending the misery they caused and apparently having been healed from a deadly wound) will have much to do with that. The description in Zechariah 11:17 gives detail of this. (see also Psalm 2).

Judgment does two things; it brings forth fruit to maturity for those who are of God's children and hardens hearts further of the unregenerate. Psalm 40 indicates that "many will see and fear" (verse 3). I postulate that may be a hidden or veiled reference to the Rapture. But certainly those who do wake up will see the signs and wonders that the 2 prophets have and will believe.

The H.G. has to be born in us via the seed of Jesus which are his living words...As my words are spirit and life impling there is a baby Christ in his words which is the H.G. our new hearts and new spirit...A kingdom...Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit...which is the H.G.... A Child of Promise from his good seed sown in our hearts...They don't refer to Jesus as the bridegroom for nothin....He wants to know us....He wants to multiply himself in humanity as the field is the world...That good seed is in his voice thus today if you will hear his voice (the good seed ) harden not your hearts....There is a kingdom in his seed the living word.... Mark 4:26....The Kingdom of God will come as a man who sows seed in his field...But the wheat is a baby christ simply b/c the Sower of that good seed is Christ the bridegroom....She brought forth a manchild which is the H.G.....That is gonna rule all nations with his rod of iron...That spirit of truth that is gonna reprove this whole world of sin and judgement and righteousness... John 16:8 kjv....But he cannot speak of himself for a season simply b/c he is just a new born babe in us desiring the sincere milk of the word....Thats y Jesus said that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit....Kings shall be your nursing father and queens shall be your nuring mothers....Men and women are gonna birth a Baby Christ in their hearts....Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6....27 times in the O.T. The prophets saw all the world in travail and birth pains....The H.G. is a baby Christ the kingdom...Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in....When he breathe on them he was propagating a Baby Christ the son of man....The H.G....Is the Granson....Simply b/c the H.G. cannot be born in us without the seed of Jesus ...Thats y Isaiah refers to Jesus as everlasting father he is the father of the H.G....The H.G. can only be born in us via seed of Jesus.

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Hi Jema. Thank you for your question. I'm amongst those who believe, according to God's Word, that Israel have been, presently is, & will ever be a special people appointed & preserved by God, and to whom all the promises of the OT were made & will be fulfilled. The Church stands only on the merits of God reaching out to the world with the Gospel of His Christ, that we too might receive the opportunity & blessing that was given to Israel, but they spurned God's Love, resting on their heritage & misunderstanding of the Scriptures. All Israel, as all unbelieving Gentiles rejecting the offer of Salvation are doomed - those saved from Israel & the Gentiles now, are received as God's special possession, incorporated in His Church. Yet, Israel as a people will be kept & will go into that time of "Jacob's Trouble": Jeremiah 30:7 (the Great Tribulation), to the end that God's Purposes for them will be fulfilled & those who turn to the Lord, will reign with Him in His Kingdom. In other words, another opportunity will be given them & also to the Gentiles during that time of Great Tribulation to turn to Jesus. Surely Israel will respond to the Messiah now, won't they?

The Bible indicates there would be two re-gatherings of Israel (the first was in Jeremiah 29:10 after a 70 year captivity). The second, would be from every nation where they had been dispersed ( Jeremiah 30:3; Jeremiah 16:14,15, Jeremiah 23:3,7,8; Jeremiah 29:14). For the last 120 years or so, more than 3.5 million Jews have returned back to their God-given land, from all points of the globe, fulfilling God's Promises ( Isaiah 43:5-7). See Page 2.

The very reason the woman is giving birth to the manchild (the spirit of truth the H.G. ) is that he might reprove the world of sin and righteousness and Judgement....That the Prince of this world (satan) will be Judged...our carnal minds is satans seat...Which is gonna make us righteous and not able to sin as he that is born of God cannot sin which is our new innerman....The H.G. I come not to judge this world but to save this world...I come not to destroy mens lives but to save mens lives...

.....Thats y Jesus wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts Matthew 13:18 that we might be bornagain of his incorruptible seed the words of that New Covenant....The good fruit is a baby Christ thats y he is saying unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child...which is that manchild that is gonna rule all nations... Romans 7:4..Mankinds fruit unto God via that Promise Seed...The contents of the book in the fathers right hand that Jesus wrote with his own blood...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin...He wants to impregnate this whole world with his precious seed....Thats y Jeremiah 30:6 saw this whole world in travail and birth pains....A time of Jacobs troubles simply b/c this World is gona be the Israel of God...But we will go thru much tribulation....1 st Cor. 12 :13...By 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ Jew or Gentile...Bond or free...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me....Remember Jesus said the field is the world where that good seed will be sown....She brought forth a manchild that is gona rule all nations....Which is that Spirt of truth. Plz take note that the kingdom does not come till the woman births the children of Promise which is the H.G. The manchild, mans fruit unto God....Rev, 11:15 kjv...Then the Kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever....Right here on this beautiful Earth..Beautiful for situation the joy of the whole world is mt ZION.. Ps 48.

GiGi Gbu....But Jesus neva said his kingdom was not of this world.... John 18:36...What he actually said was my Kingdom is NOT NOW of this world...Gi Gi you leave out the (NOT NOW) to keep your false doctrine of no kingdom on this earth..Which is not true.

.....But Rev.11:15 is very clear....The Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER...No offence Gi Gi But you do greatly err...And God sends an angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth... Rev 14:6...Do you see the folly of your doctrine...of no kingdom on this earth...And Jesus sends his disciples to preach the gospel to ALL THE WORLD TO every creature....And sends the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise to rule ALL NATIONS...Why wd God do all these things if there were no kingdom on this beautiful earth....Beautiful for situation simply b/c its gonna be situated in our hearts where the KINGDOM SEED IS SOWN

....And Isaiah 11:9...( says that KNOWLEGE shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...Thats y he wants to KNOW US...Remember that tree of KNOWLEGE in the Garden of God...And Habakkuk 2:14...Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas and the Earth shall be full of the GLORY OF THE LORD....(THE KINGDOM)....This knowledge is an intimacy that is gona result in a birth of Christ in everyone...Thats y Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...We are gonna birth a baby Christ which is the H.G...That Child of Promise...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...Jesus plainly tells us the Kingdom of God will come as a man who sows seed in his field....And he said the field is our hearts the world....But we must remember that this is the bridegroom speaking...Thats y he has to know us in order to sow that heavenly seed in our hearts....Which is a baby Christ...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in no wise enter there in...The man child.

Concluding thoughts for now on Rapture and reasons for it; as well as Tribulation saints commentary

My proposition is that the final revival or as Joel 2:23 is basically attained in the "signs and wonders" environment which the rest of Joel and much of the O.T. discuss for the end times. As I have stated numerous times of late by the sixth seal ALL will know about God AND Christ on the throne. ( Rev. 6:12-17). This proves judgments of God clearly are poured out with comprehension by all those on earth at the time. Therefore; the Gospel as preached now will be unnecessary; Christ and God will be on one side; and Satan; the False Prophet and Antichrist on the other side. It would appear that with the woman riding the Beast the first part of the Tribulation the false Babylon one world religion will be the primary killers ( John 16:2; which appears to have particular emphasis on those in Israel at that time). Later on; of course the Antichrist destroys the religion and probably one of the headquarters by fire ( Rev. 17:16). I will state that those who are destroyed are naked; and that seems to parallel Revelation 16:15 as well as the fate of the Laodiceans. It appears a remnant will survive most of the Tribulation who don't step out in faith but also hide out from being forced to take the Mark.

The aforementioned verses and others such as similar sounding events in the seal; trumpet and bowl judgments which make us question not just the timing of the Rapture but other events I am not planning to go into a detailed analysis at present. I will state that just because things are hard to understand we shouldn't just place symbolic interpreteations on them; most believers don't with the already fulfilled prophecies when Christ came the first time so we shouldn't do so now with future events. There is as many are aware a time for "Jacob's trouble" or Daniel's 70th Week ( Jeremiah 30:17; Daniel 9:24-27) which seem to indicate the seven years to purge Israel.

Lemme just say this if we have the mind of Christ we will have all the wisdom we need....Which is the Anointing that will teach us all things....1 st John 2:27 The anointing you have received of him abideth in you and you need no man teach you...The anointing will teach you all things....And the anointing is that Promise of Christ being multiplied in humanity...The H.G....And this Anointing is the H.G....That Child of Promise...The spirit of truth that is gonna lead us into all truth...ok....Thats y Jesus said a lil Child is gonna lead you...whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...

.....Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of man....Mankind is gona birth a baby Christ...That Child of Promise....Thats y the sower wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts...That Christ might be multiplied as the stars of heaven in us sinners....Thus the need for that New Covenant in his blood...ok...There is a Child in your future...She brought forth a manchild that is gona rule all nations....Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature....Remember Rachel loss her Children...But she is gonna get them back...But in the Spirit as that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the gift of God the H.G....Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6

A time of Jacobs troubles impling an Israel of God...That Heavenly Jacob....The H.G. that 3 rd person...ok lemme go

Jimbob no offence to you but also fire is just symbolic language....As Rev. 11:5 tells us if any man hurts any of these fire comes out of their mouths and destroys ( kills their enemies )....But its not a literal fire but a spiritual fire which is the H.G. AS OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE.. Hebrews 12:29 kjv....That is gonna consume mans evil and adamic nature ....If ya don't understand symbolic language you will not see that the Kingdoms of this world are gonna become the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ...Thus the clouds are just symbolic language for folks that have that living water..That latter rain doctrine which is spirit...That is gonna flood this earth with his spirit....I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh... Joel 2:28..And Isaiah 11..Of course this knowledge he saw covering this earth was an intimacy....Resulting in a birth of Christ in us....As Jeremiah 30:6 ...he saw all men in travail and birth pains...Thats y he has to know us that the good seed of the sower will be sown in our hearts....And she brought forth a man child that is gona rule all nations....Now y wd we need to be caught up to to the literal clouds when the kingdoms of this world are gona become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ...And the manchild which is the H.G.is gonna rule all nations....And jesus tells us of that spirit of truth that is gonna reprove this whole world of sin and judgement and righteousness....Thus a literal rapture wd kill all these scriptures of the earth at rest and becoming full of his Glory....Seed time and harvest for ever .... Isaiah 6:3 The angels are saying Holy Holy Holy Lord God Almighty for the whole earth is full of his GLORY....Jimbob yes truth is important but if we took your doctrine of a literal rapture in literal clouds we wd have to eliminate 90% of the bible....And there wd be no need for the manchild to Rule all nations....Or for the angel to preach the everlasting Gospel to all that dwell on the earth... Rev 14:6...ok lemme go...Jim GBU.

Kathy GBU ....Lemme mention some thing about what Jesus did at Calvary...Jesus said if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...Thats what the Cross was for ppl like this young man that was in bondage to something or other....any sinner...While we were yet sinners Christ DIED for us..Thats all inclusive...Our conduct has nothin to do with it...Its what Jesus did at Calvary that the father sees.... Romans 10:20 kjv....I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...This N.C. at Calvary is all inclusive....I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest and they shall no more teach know the lord for they shall all know me... Jeremiah 31:34....Remember Jesus said i come to set the captive free....I come not to destroy mens lives but to save mens lives

...... Titus 3:57.....Not by works of righteousness which we have done but by his mercy and regeneration of the H.G. that we are saved....Its not about us....When Jesus said it finished there are no more works we can do to obtain salvation....The H.G. is the gift of God....To humanity....God so loved the world....But we have to wait for his book to be opened b/f the Kingdom can come....The Kingdom is not here just yet...Remember God told Daniel do thy way Daniel till the words of book that is sealed is opened... Daniel 12 :8 kjv....That N.C. in his blood....I am the light of the world but the nite comes when no man can work...But Micah 5:3 tells us that God was gonna give them up till the woman is in travail and birth pains....And Rev. 12 :10 kjv says that NOW IS COME Salvation and THE KINGDOM of our lord and his Christ...etc...But plz note the kingdom does not come till the book is opened and the woman gives birth to the Children of the Kingdom....Unless you receive the Kingdom as lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....But not to worry as Jeremiah 30:6 Jeremiah sees all all all men in travail and birth pains...A time of Jacobs trouble which is an Israel of God .

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Yes Jimbob, I would be happy to & will try to be succinct. Though I should mention that the meaning of the Great Tribulation, or Day of the Lord, needs to be clarified first. I understand, as you do, that the time of the outpouring of God's Wrath upon the World can be understood as the Great Tribulation, but I see the final week (7 years) of Daniel's seventy weeks, 490 years: Daniel 9:24-27, as the final seven years - years that will change the World's existence & future forever. And by the way, you believe in a post-trib rapture & I understand that as being before God's Wrath poured out. I view this position to be one of mid-trib for the reason I've shared above, but that's not the point here.

Now my Scriptures for a pre-trib (or, pre-Day of the Lord) rapture:

a. the Church is a mystery ( Ephesians 1:1-13), by which believing Jew & Gentile are united into one Body ( Ephesians 2:11-22). Therefore, the Church's translation is not mentioned in the OT that deals with Christ's Second Coming after the Tribulation, & why the Church is promised deliverance before the time of God's Wrath ( 1 Thessalonians 1:9,10; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

b. the 70th week in Daniel, is the preparation of Israel's restoration & regeneration ( Deuteronomy 4:29-30; Jeremiah 30:4-11; Ezekiel 20:22-44; Ezekiel 22:13-22).

c. the Tribulation (including anti-Christ's reign) is not for the Church, but for those who are in the world ( Revelation 3:10; 8:13; 11:10; 13:8,12,14; 17:2,8). The Church is never seen here & will not participate in Israel's time of trouble.

WE humanity as all men have been born by the will of some man....Its only our new innerman which is the H.G. The Spirit of Christ that is born by the will of God in us via his good seed....Conception takes place when we hear and understand his voice a spritual pregnancy results....My Lil Children of whom travail in birth again Gal 4 :19...till Christ is formed in you.. Thats what faith is a spritual pregnancy....Thus there is a child on the horizon ...Which is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....The fetus is the H.G. The Child of Promise...Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of Man...Mankind has to bring forth fruit unto God... Romans 7:4...Thus there is a baby Christ in our near future....And its this baby Christ the N.C. in his blood that is the Elect and the Church is the Elect lady...Its a bride and bridegroom scenario...Which is gonna result in an Israel of God that is gonna be as the stars of heaven...That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thats y Jesus was saying blessed are them that follow me in the Regeneration the multiplication of his seed...Thus the sower and his precious seed...The contents of that book of life in the fathers right hand...The book of life of the lamb...( his blood etc )..That N.C.

Remember Jesus said the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom....Which are the babes and sucklings...Thats y Jesus said a lil Child is gonna lead them which is the H.G....And thats y the spirit of truth cannot speak of himself he is just a spritual infant....Thats y Isaiah tells us of the women with Child and she that travail with Child a great company... Isaiah 11... ... Jeremiah 30:6 Why do i see all men in travail and birth pains...Remember Jeremiah told God he was just a lil Child he cd not speak... Jeremiah 30 :6....Symbolic of the manchild in Rev 12 that is gonna rule all nations....One is neva outa of context when lifting up that N.C.at Calvary in his Blood..

Actually the bible does teach that all will be saved in Jeremiah 31:34....This New Covenant is all inclusive....Not like the old covenant ...I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest...This KNOW them all is an intimacy with humanity resulting in a birth of Christ in everyone....And Isaiah saw this intimacy this KNOWLEDGE with humanity as the waters of God covering the earth as the waters covering the seas....The seas imply humanity thats everybody....If i be lifted up (The blood) of that NEW COVENANT I will draw ALL men unto me.... 1st Cor 15:28...All thing are gonna be subject to Christ and God will be ALL in ALL

...And this is the reason that Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Everybody is gonna be bornagain in the end....27 times the prophets saw this world in travail and birth pains....Thus the whole creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God....The Children of Promise... the remnant of his brethren...an Israel of God...The babes and sucklings that are gonna be born to humanity via his precious seed ...Simply b/c that GREAT PROMISE was that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven...This New Covenant is All inclusive...Thats y John saw a number that no man cd number standing b/f the throne of God...clothed with white raiment...They were all washed in the blood of the lamb....

......When he fed the multitudes he didn't cull not 1 single one of them...he fed them all with a childs lunch the Child being symblolic of the H.G....The manchild that is gona rule ALL NATIONS with his rod of iron....Not only did Moses rule all Israel but he fed all Israel with his glorious Rod...We gotta keep in mind that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us...Thats indicative of everybody... Romans 10:20 And i was found of them that sought me NOT and made manifest unto them that asked NOT after me...Thats indicative of everybody...If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...The lords arm is not too short to save ALL

Hi Gigi.

Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for but here's a few of many references of a future Kingdom here on earth.

Revelation 5:10

And have made us kings and priests to our God;

AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH.

Psalm 2:6-8

"Yet I have set My King

On My holy hill of Zion." "I will declare the decree:

The LORD has said to Me,

'You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You.

Ask of Me, and I will give You

The nations for Your inheritance,

And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

Daniel 2:34-35

You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and FILLED THE WHOLE EARTH.



Zechariah 14:9-11.

Zechariah 14:16-19

And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Matthew 6:10

Your kingdom come.

Your will be done

"ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

Matthew 5:5.

Matthew 25:31-34.

Isaiah 2:2.

Jeremiah 30:10.

Ezekiel 34:25-31.

Daniel 2:44.

Micah 4:1-2.

Zechariah 8:1-3.

Revelation 11:5.

God bless you.

Goodnight.

Spencer Gbu but you are in false doctrine...Simply b/c you fail to believe in the New Covenant that Jesus gave us at Calvary in his Blood...Remember the blood that New Covenant...If i be lifted up ( his blood ) I will draw ALL men unto me....And his father backs it up saying After thoses (2 Days 2 k yrs.) I will make a New Covenant NOT according to the Covenant that i made with their fathers...I WILL KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST...And their sins and iniquities will i remember no more...This New Covenant is all inclusive...Thats y Jesus is saying if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...And Jeremiah 30:6 He saw ALL MEN in travail and birth pains...Everybody is gona be bornagain of that incorruptible seed the contents of the book that Jesus wrote with his own blood...Thats y Joel said God was gonna pour out of his Spirit on ALL FLESH..IN 2:28...Your sons and daughter are gonna prophecy don't you see he wants the whole family...Everybody....What kind of a God wd save half a family...When Jesus fed the multitudes he fed everybody....he didn't cull not 1 person...He makes his rain and his son/sun to shine on everybody...And they shall ALL be taught of God...All...In Adam we all die but in CHRIST we will ALL live..ty Jesus

Here is the kicker..We will all die according to our old adamic nature which is in rank with satan, mans carnal mind is the very enemy of God...But we will all live according to His blood...I will Draw ALL men unto me..That N.C

The curse of Adam was applied to every man that every lived no exceptions...Thus the blessing and the blood of Christ Jesus has to be applied to everyman,....When they saw him on the Mount ALL of his raiment was white as snow...There is no fuller on earth that can whiten us sinners like his blood...And we are his raiment simply b/c he says i was naked in need of raiment and you clothe me ...And Isaiah said he wd stain ALL of his raiment...With his blood God so loved the world that he gave his only son.

Hiya John Good Question....In my mind i see this Gen 1...to replenish as when the sower of the good seed will go forth and sow his precious seed in humanity...The field being the world...God had this replenishing in his mind when he made that great Promise that Christ was gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven....As Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6 ....For that heavenly Birth....As the mystery of the Kingdom of God is Christ in you and I...Us sinners that need to be bornagain of Jesus's incorruptible seed...Via the seeds of that Book that New Covenant that Jesus wrote with his own blood...Thus there is gonna be an Israel of God...Which are spirits as Jesus said that which is born of the spirit are spirits Which answer to the Children of Promise the H.G....Thus our new hearts and new Spirits...I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh... Rev 11:15...This is the replenishing.. The Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ...And he shall reign for ever and ever..No more Adamic nature...No more stain and spot of Adam...What Jesus did at Calvary is gonna replenish all of humanity...If i be lifted up i will DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME....OK Lemme go. When Jesus said its finished this whole world is gonna be replenished...

Hiya Susanella...GBU...But the way I read it is...This New Covenant is an ALL INCLUSIVE covenant... Jeremiah 31:34...I will make a new Covenant with the house of Israel and Judah not according to the covenant i made with their fathers etc...I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...This KNOW them all is an intimacy with humanity as God so loved the world....And Jesus says if i be lifted up, the shedding of his blood on calvary initiating that New COVENANT I will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME...Told his disciples go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every CREATURE...And his words cannot return unto him void..

"This Know them all is an intimacy with humanity" That is gonna result in a birth of Christ in everyman....As Jeremiah 30:6 he saw all men in travail and birth pains..All men...You have not chosen me but i have chosen you...While we were yet sinners Christ died for every man...I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...Thats y Jesus says he has to KNOW us...Thus that tree of KNOWLEDGE....And Isaiah speaks of a Knowledge that is gona cover the earth as the waters covers the seas...Thus a 2 nd Flood that is gona kill all of humanity according to our old adamic nature...Man's carnal minds which is the very enemy of God...If thy right hand offend thee cut it off...As our God is a consuming fire that is gona consume mans adamic nature...Thus our new hearts and new spirts answers to a New Earth and New Heavens...When Jesus began his ministry he was preaching i come to bring fire on the earth...Which is his baptism of the H.G. n fire..ok lemme go..And Joel 2:28 speaks of God pouring out of his spirit on ALL flesh...Thats y he said the harlots and the whoremongers will go into the Kingdom of heaven b/f you....I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest...And if ya be in Christ then are you Abrahams seed and heirs according to that Promise of multiplication of Christ seed...The H.G.The Promise.

Alex1939...William this Matthew 21:16 is prophetic of the Manchild the H.G. that has to be born in us...Rev.12:5 she brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations...Thats y the sower wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts that we might birth a baby Christ the Son of Man...The H.G...That Children of Promise...Thats y he cannot speak of him self simply b/c he has to be born in us via the seed of the sower, he is just an infant spiritually speaking...Jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( the H.G. ) that Child of Promise That New BIRTH you will in no wise enter there in...We need a new heart and a new spirit a new innerman...Which is the H.G...Our biggest enemy is our carnal minds...And nothin can still this demon without Christ in us...Which is the wheat from his good seed but satans sows a Tare in us ...Then we are in a war with satan...Its gonna be Kingdom against Kingdom...The only way we can win this war is by the babes and sucklings...which are baby Christ, Jesus offspring from his good seed the living word that is gonna be sown in humanity the opening of the BOOK ...The Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild the H.G.....Read Rev.12v10

......The world is gonna have a Baby....Thats y Jeremiah 30:6 Tells us all men are gonna travail in birth pains...The Child is the H.G. THE Children of PROMISE...I will Multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven...Thus the Children of PROMISE the H.G... Joel 2:28 I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh...Jeremiah says he saw all men with their hands on their loins as woman in travail with birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...The Child is the H.G. that heavenly Jacob that is now in a warfare with the Tares...Satans seed...A time of Jacobs troubles...Jacob was the 3 rd person but the H.G. is also the 3 rd person...The wheat Jesus's seed the H.G.

But these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes.... Matthew 11:25...William this is for spritually minded.

Psalm 74

We see the theme here as in much of the Book of Lamentations where God appears to have cast His presence from His people. When we get to chapter 3; verse 31 He promises not to "cast them off forever." Isaiah 26:20 describes God Himself stating that He had turned away for a short time but would return with mercy. Again; the final prophetic application would appear to be in Revelation (or the time of Jacob's trouble in Jeremiah 30:7).

The "perpetual desolations" in verse 3 of this Psalm remind us of the "Abomination of Desolation" when the Temple is overtaken by Antichrist much as it was with Antiochus Epiphanes earlier in Daniel 9:25-27 and quoted by Christ starting in Matthew 24:15.

Verse 8 is as far as I know the only passage in scriptures mentioning the word synagogues; here they were being burned up by the enemy; likely prophetic of the Babylonians and of course the end times. Blasphemy as seen in Revelation 13 is mentioned in verse 18. The prophets being seen no more could refer ahead to the intertestamental times or again when there is vision sought in the end times by false prophets who predicted peace; peace when there is no peace ( Jeremiah 6:14).

Verse 20 implores God to "have respect unto the Covenant" as related; no doubt to the Promised Land. Once again the poor and needy are sought out as those who the Lord will restore; and the Psalm ends with a plea not to forget those enemies and their "tumult". Surely God will come soon; but will there be any faith on the earth when that Day comes? (See Luke 18:8).

Alex1939...Alexis M...May i give ya my view of Isaiah 60:22...A lil one shall become a 1000 and small one a strong nation...I the lord will hasten it in its time...This is the multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed the word sown in humanity...The Sower and his seed...The Children of Promise...An Israel of God is that strong nation... Gal 6:16...There has to be an Israel of God via the seed of Jesus...I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven... Gen 22:16...Which are spirits the H.G many ...The Children of Promise that are gonna be as the stars of heaven in multitudes...Thats y he has to know us...That he might sow his incorruptible seed in our hearts...That Christ might be formed in us...Its gonna start with a lil one...one lil one is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Just as Jesus was just a lil one but he was multiplied and became as the stars of heaven... a number no man cd number John saw,simply b/c of his seed the words of the book that he wrote with his own blood...That New Covenant...I will know them all from the least to the greatest...This (Know them all is an intimacy) that is gona result in a birth of Christ in everybody...Isaiah speaks of a knowledge ( an intimacy ) that is gona cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...In Isaiah 11:9...Thats y he has to know us...Thats y the Woman is giving birth...And that y we must be bornagain of his incorruptible seed...Thus Christ will truly be multiplied as the stars of heaven in humanity....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin....He has a seed to sow in humanity...Thus our new heart and new spirit..Thus the babes and sucklings...The Israel of God...ok lemme go...Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains...a time of Jacobs trouble that heavenly Jacob the H.G... Jeremiah 30:6 ..

Alex1939...Ellix2u I agree with you some what...But we have to birth the Child which is the H.G. that Child of Promise.. but when the book ( that New Covenant ) is opened...We will all travail in birth pains...As Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Its gonna happen automatically after tHE BOOK IS OPENED...We answer to the woman in Rev 12:10 that is giving birth to the Children of the Kingdom which are spirits An Israel of God which is the H.G. God is gonna pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...We dont have anything to do with it as our carnal minds is the very ENEMY of God..

.....This New Covenant is different then the O.C...Thats y Romans 8:5 is telling us ...While we were yet sinners Christ died for ALL of us...Its not according to the O.C... Jeremiah 31:34...God Almighty gave us this N.C. Saying I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...If I be lifted up I will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME...When he took the cup he said this is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it...Which took place on Calvary...I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...What a Covenant, I kiss you my son Jesus...Its all his doings...But there is a Child involved b/c of his seed the words of the book....Ya gotta realize he has to KNOW US..We can only birth this Child via his seed the living word the contents of the book that he wrote with his own blood that N.C...Remember that tree of KNOWLEDGE.

.....That which is Perfect is yet to come on the 3 rd day...I will be perfected on the 3 rd day...Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has PERFECTED PRAISE...Unless you receive this Kingdom OF God as a lil Child you will in NO WISE ENTER THERE. IN... Isaiah 11:9....Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...I will know (knowledge an intimacy ) them all from the least to the greatest...Thus the Woman giving birth to the Children...The babes and sucklings our new heart n new spirit.

Alex1939...The reason Jesus has to know us is b/c we have to be bornagain of his incorruptible seed...even by the words of God that New Covenant IN HIS BLOOD...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you...Thats y he has to know us so that Christ might be formed in us...Truth is the sower of that good seed is Christ the Bridegroom...Thats y he is saying whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...And that good seed are the words of God...And he that soweth that good seed is Christ the son of man...The bridegroom...It all goes back to the great Promise when God swore by his very self that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thus the need for a sower and his seed but it had to be a heavenly seed ...As we have borne the the image of the earthy we must also bear the image of the heavenly...Which is the H.G. the multiplication of very God as Jesus said to whom the word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods...And the scripture cannot be broken...When he breathe on them he was propagating very God which was the H.G. That Child of PROMISE...Which is Spirit as that which is born of the spirt is spirit...As God is spirit..Remember Jesus said the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom.

But she halted...As Micah 5:3 said he wd give them up till the woman is in travail and birth pains...Then the remnant of his brethren will come and be a sign to Israel and the world...We are still in that time of desolation when no man can work...Jesus said i am the light of the world but the night comes when no man can work...While the bridegroom tarried they all slumbered and slept..But on the 3 rd day he made a New Wine which was better then the 1st wine...Which is when that book is opened on the last day as God told Daniel...Thats when Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...For the babes and sucklings that are able to worship God with a perfect praise.Which are the words of the book...The Womans Children

alex1939...I just wanted to give ya my take on the Garden of God...And the 2 trees in the midst of the Garden...I think they are tied together in this New Covenant in our hearts...Salvation can come via his words of that Book in the Fathers right hand.

.....What i am trying to tell you is this New Covenant is tied into the Garden of our hearts...This tree of Knowledge is an intimacy...Thats y Jesus says he has to KNOW us...And thats the only way we can be bornagain of an incorruptible seed which is the contents of that book/That tree of KNOWLEDGE...The only way that good seed can be sown in our heart is thru an intimacy...Thats when he Knows us...The only way we can ever KNOW right from wrong in self control of the flesh is thru this Tree of KNOWLEDGE...That New COVENANT Is by Being bornagain of an incoruptible seed THE LIVING WORD...The biblical definition of Knowledge is an intimacy...Not about fun and games or Church attendence... or Carnal knowledge But an intimacy where that good seed is sown in our hearts initiating a heavenly birth of Christ in us That Child of PROMISE...The H.G....Thats y the prophets saw all the world in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...A time of Jacobs troubles, Jacob was the 3 rd person in the Abrahamic trinity...And that Child of promise is the H.G. the 3 rd Person in the heavenly Trinity...The gift of God from the leaves of the trees... Rev 22:16...For the healing of the nations...Our Child birth but the Child is the H.G. That which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. That Child of Promise...We are not under that old covenant any more...Now the very Kingdom of God is gonna be with in us...Thus the 2 trees are gonna be with in us...Its our hearts that is the Garden of God where that good seed is sown...The bridegroom wants to sow his seed in our hearts which is the living WORD...The leaves of the tree of KNOWLEDGE...And Isaiah said that this KNOWLEDGE is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas. Is.11:9 k

alex1939...Amen Gerald Hebrews 11:1 is the best description of faith, Its simply a spritual pregnancy that precedes the New Birth...The Child is the H.G. THE Child of Promise...When a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the Evidence of things not seen...But in the spritual realm the bridegroom is Jesus and his words are his seeds...Thats y he has to know us, Thats when the good seed the living word is sown in our hearts...Forming Christ in us...My lil Chidren of whom i travail in Birth till CHRIST IS FORMED IN YOU...Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man...Impling mankinds fruit unto God as Romans 7:4 tells us...Thus the Wheat is truly a baby Christ...Simply b/c the sower of that heavenly seed is Christ the bridegroom...Our hearts is the womb in the spirit...Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit thus the Child IS OUR NEW INNERMAN the H.G. the multiplication/regeneration of Christ in us..The Child is the Evidence we have known the bridegroom.

.....But this is gonna initiate war in heaven...Its gonna be Kingdom against Kingdom...Simply b/c satan is gonna sow a tare in

us which is satans seed...Remember satan the dragon the tare wanted to kill the woman with Child Rev 12:5 a great warfare with in us...This war rages in our hearts and minds simply b/c the Kingdom is gonna be with in us...The woman is the world as God so loved the world but she is also bride the good ground where the good seed was sown impregnating her with that heavenly seed...The Children of Promise an Israel of God...But these things are hid from the wise and prudent and revealed unto babes...Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6...Men & women are gonna birth a baby Christ...Kings shall be your nursing father and women are gonna be your nursing mothers..Faith under this New Covenant is gonna fulfill the great promise of multiplication n regeneration in humanity....ok lemme go

Psalm 50. Once again; this Psalm is prophetic and has some overlapping themes of the previous one; as well as the next Psalm. Zion is described here in verse 2 as to where "God hath shined." That could be from the heavenly city or the mountain here on earth when He comes. Gathering the saints who have made a covenant with me by sacrifice sounds like the Rapture; and also reminds us of the sentiment of a "broken and contrite spirit" spoken of in Psalm 51:17.

The purpose of the tine of "Jacob's trouble" ( Jeremiah 30:7) seems to be the meaning of verse 7. Verse 8 interestingly seems to indicate that despite the sacrifice of Christ meaning any future ones to cover sins are futile; the Lord allows this in the Tribulation for a time. This would probably be to bring Satan's plans into fruition; the final "Abomination of Desolation" to be installed; and the realization right before Messiah returns who Christ really is. These verses can be examined further: Daniel 11:30-31; and Zechariah 13 and 14 in their entirety.

There still will be; as the last chapters of Ezekiel indicate a final Millennial Temple where apparently as a memorial or for ceremonial cleansing for those still in earthly bodies will need to worship around those glorified saints and Christ Himself; lest they be consumed.

Verses 10 through 13 show the eventual fuility of animal sacrifices. Verse 14 shows as Psalm 51 does about offering a sacrifice of praise; and verse 16 reminds us of Deut. 4:30 when there is hope even in Tribulation for those who cry out. Verses 16 through 22 describe the fate of the wicked; always contrasted with the righteous in scripture and always needed for the complete Gospel of salvation as well. The righteous in the last verse once again are called to praise; but with the stipulation of keeping his "conversation aright". Isaiah 33:14 asks us who can dwell with (or in the presence of) everlasting fire? It mentions "speaking rightly" in the next verse.

Anonymous...Alex...Plz note the woman does not go into birth pains till the book is opened...And thats when they sang that New Song...( the New Covenant a birthing covenant that he wrote with his own blood.. we ALL must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed..via the words of the book in the fathers right hand...The woman has faith simply b/c she is with Child of the seed of Jesus the contents of the book...The woman is the world as Jesus said the field is the world where that the good seed will be sown... Jeremiah 30:6 Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains.

.....The Woman has the substance of things hoped for ( the Kingdom ) The evidence of things not seen ( the Children of Promise ) ...Remember the great promise Christ has to be multiplied as the stars of heaven...thus all men in travail and birth pains...Thus Faith is truly a spiritual pregnancy preceding a spiritual birth of Christ in us...The Son of Man...Man kinds fruit unto God as in Romans 7 :4...WE must be married to Christ and bring forth fruit unto God which is the Child of Promise the H.G.

......Remember Isaiah 11:9...Isaiah saw an intimacy a Knowledge covering the earth as the waters covering the seas...Thus all men are gona travail in birth pains...Which is the very same as Jeremiah 31:34 Gods new Covenant i will KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST...This Know them all is an intimacy with God that is gonna result in a heavenly Birth...But b/f the birth takes place the only thing we have is Faith the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....the Child of PROMISE...The H.G. is the Child of PROMISE...When Jesus said behold i send the Promise of my Father upon you it was baptism of the H.G...Via his words which are his seeds..Thats y he mentions the babes and sucklings...our new hearts and spirits...ok lemme go

Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The words of our Lord.

Psalm 37 seems to be a general overview of many of the preceding Psalms; although once again it should be emphasized that the chronology is not in order but the verse about the righteous never being foresaken (v. 25) shows it is likely written after many others.

There are many examples found in other Psalms. For example; we see in verse 13 about God laughing at the wicked; which is mentioned in Psalm 2. Another example found in Psalm 10 is in verse 17 about the arms of the wicked which are broken. We also find verses elsewhere in scripture; including the N.T. One such case in verse 11 is quoted by Jesus in the Gospels in Matthew 5:5.

We even see elements of predestination in verses 23 to 24. Ephesians 2:10 talks of good works before the foundation of the world prepared for us to perform. Verse 24 gives us the concept of "Perseverance of the Saints" also echoed in Proverbs 24:16. There is the concept largely covered in Psalm 119 about having the law of God in their hearts (v. 31) Verse 34 could be a Millennial reference; exhorting us to wait on the Lord; such a theme of patience is found in numerous other passages along with promises of the Saints (as well as David) to rule when the Kingdom of God comes to earth. ( Jeremiah 30:9; etal).

The main idea here seems to be the eternal destinies of the righteous and the wicked and the brevity of this life. Passages such as in verse 28 are not popular today. As an individual; we should not seek vengeance on anyone in particular; but we should understand that the suffering of the church at large in the world where persecution is much greater than in this country; for example needs to be recompensed through Divine justice. We all are saved from wrath and being enemies of God and therefore we need to be humble in preaching the Gospel but also deliver the whole truth; including eternal judgment for the damned who will not repent.