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Thank you Thomas for your response, it's late in Aussie Land, I was hoping to respond sooner but I have been having trouble Posting Comments, it could be hacking again but I will leave you a few Scriptures now to read about God's Wisdom which none of us were Born with and I will share about them and some others tomorrow. Proverbs 4:5 and James1:5. Take Care - Annie.

Look at things in the spirit Job knows he is a spirit and the body doesn't last. He wants to be with God forever like all of us who know this truth.

Thomas, you replied to my comment which already answered your question. Did you not look up the first verse? Other examples are easily found through search, like John 14:6, John 3:16, etc. A Christian is a follower of Christ. If you do not follow Christ, you're not a Christian. If you're not a Christian you won't enter heaven, no matter how 'good' you claim to be. Matthew 7:21-23 is proof.

All I can say is have a good trip. I pray that sometime, someway, your eyes and ears will open to the greatness of God. I can't tell you what to believe or what church to go to for learning more of God's teaching but I am betting you will someday go to your knees and ask God's forgivness for judging Him who created you. May God bless you.

"A Christian is a man, woman, or child who has experienced a spiritual new birth through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. That new birth is a gift of God, through Jesus Christ, given by the grace He freely offers to all". Anyone who lives a good life as directed by Jesus would be considered a Christian. No church, No organization and No Temple makes a Christian. It is between God and man.

For Christ sake, all you speak of is material possessions when innocent servants, animals and all ten children were slaughtered by the premeditated acts of God working with Satan. Do we not morn for the loss of lives. Can we not question for what was to be gained other than a man still standing for his faith. Did you know Job didn't know God was behind this plot?

Adam, Where does it say that one must become a Christian to have eternal life?

Ruben, I don't know what I believe. I honestly envy those who can go through life thinking that God is watching over his children but it is so very hard to do when you see all of the crimes committed by man without any intervention for the life of the innocents. And you know, it wasn't just Job, what about his servants, children and the poor animals? Satan lost nothing, only a bet.

"All sins have been forgiven forever. So, everyone will go to heaven, everyone. I guess Satan or no Satan, it doesn't matter."

These 3 sentences are untrue. Romans 10:9, John 1:9 One must become a Christian follow Jesus to be saved. Matthew 7:13-14 - most WILL NOT be saved and will go to hell. One of satan's lies is to convince people he doesn't matter or doesn't exist 1 Peter 5:8, 1 John 3:8.

This isn't a sport--God proved to the world He is LORD. He proved to Satan that Satan could NOT win a true believer over no matter the trial. He knew Job fit that description. Job never lost faith, have you? Yes Job suffered but he is now in the bosom of Abraham and Satan is in the pit. God loves His children and doesn't play games. Upgrade your faith to understand. It's your discernment.

You speak your words, not GOD'S. For GOD is not the GOD of the dead, but of the living. Of the eight who are alive and remain, none are thee. So strive with thyself and agree with thyself and lie to thyself and pack thy own bags and run by thyself and hide by thyself and cry by thyself and die by thyself. For Michael spake of you, See here the envious devil as he blasphemes the Holy Ghost and GOD:

Annie, I know this is off the subject of Job but, how did you acquire God's wisdom?

So, you are saying that God offering up Job to Satan knowing full well Satan would try to destroy Job's faith in God was not a bad thing. And all that transpired after that, was just through the actions of Satan. God holds no responsibility for his part in the deconstruction of Job. Oh, how would you like to have your children killed and then someone sends over replacements?

We have already been forgiven. Jesus dies on the cross for all past, present and future sins so that we may all have eternal life. All sins have been forgiven forever. So, everyone will go to heaven, everyone. I guess Satan or no Satan, it doesn't matter. And if the story of Job is for real and since I have free will, then no, I do not forgive God for his actions.

I respectfully think if someone commits a heinous crime, that was by their own free choice or free will to do so. That person may have been influenced by environmental factors or driven by genetic imbalances or imperfections and yes, one might say they had a devil in them but, not literally. I know I am getting off the subject of Job but, perhaps not.

This seems to be a different topic. We live in a fallen sinful world which is the domain of satan. We could have been puppets but were lovingly given freewill to choose how to conduct ourselves. There is such thing as love, morality, and consequences, but we sin regularly. God Jesus came here to earth and people murdered him. Through this he paid our debt of sin giving us hope of life in heaven.

"Job and what his God did to him" - why do you assume God harmed Job instead of Satan? If someone commits a heinous crime today would you not attribute that to someone who was deceived by Satan into doing evil? God doesn't tempt or deceive us, Satan does. Do you think Satan is bad?

Disagree. Satan is evil, God is good and loves you and everyone. If your family member gets sick, do you blame God? Tornado hurts your child, blame God? Cancer, blame God? The story of Job was a special circumstance in the old testament before Jesus died for our sins and gave us grace. Today Satan has power to wreak havok on your life, but not to kill you. Jesus paid your debt- is that not love?

Why does everyone have to quote lines from that book, the Bible, written by 40 authors over a period of 1500 years? Don't you think if God who is capable of doing absolutely everything, he would have written the bible himself, in every language and distributed it throughout the world in hours, not years, if it is truly his book? After all, didn't write the 10 commandments on stone?

Yes, very unloving. We can only deal with reality and reality says that family is everything to us simple minded mortals. This test was depraved and heinous, so much so, I repeat God could never do this. Although the God from the old testament is really a Bastard. My God is good, kind, loving and considerate of our human ways and feelings. This story is a hoax. "Believe not for they lie."

Rube, Keep this simple. Don't over analyze it. The story is about a God and if the man needs to explain what a God is then he will . The story has a Satan and so goes that also and the victim is called Job or Jim I don't care . Just listen to the story, and you tell me if you think what this God and Satan conspired to do to Job or Jim was fair or reasonable or for sport or kind or evil?

Ok Adam, let me finish this short story about prayer. After hearing these remarks after every slaughter, it dawned on me that we could be doing much better with our prayer. So, I contacted some of the clergy and suggested, we pray a advance for no more of these heinous crimes. Well, what in God's name happened? p.s. How about the survivor who thanks God for saving her. What about the dead? Thank?

Thomas it's good your seeking answers, I was deceived as a Teenager that God and the Bible were just made up and I believed this for 30 years but the Evidence was too Great. Later although I didn't doubt God's Reality I became very Confused by all the differant Teaching so I asked for His Wisdom and Wow what an Amazing difference. If wanted Thomas I will seek to answer your asked questions - Anne

I would have to be put in that situation. Common sense would have to take over. I would probably listen to him but I would ask where did you get this info. God, who I wouldn't know at that time, gave me the power of discernment if I didn't know about God, I'd not know anything about this man. Show me proof-Who is this Job who is God? Who are you? God would handle the matter. I DO believe.

Ruben, I don't want to argue with you. Obviously you're a true believer and a person of strong conviction but just think for a moment, as if you never heard of a God. Say perhaps you lived on an island and all you knew was the sun, moon, stars and the ocean. Then a man appears and tells you about Job and what his God did to him. What then, would you think of this God? Honestly.

Adam, I do appreciate your kind words and advice but let me tell you a short story. Remember when all of those innocent concert attendees were slaughtered in Las Vegas? Well, I sat and listened to the responses by officials, witnesses and clergy. What I heard over, and over again was, "Our prayer and thoughts are with" and from those who survived, "Thank God I am alive". Out of space Finish later

Job didn't sin by blaming God, but you do? God allowed Satan to test Job. While God views all life as precious, He likely has a different perspective than us regarding life on Earth- we view it as the most important thing ever, yet is described as so temporary it's a vapor James 4:14, and Philippians 1:21. If the children went straight to paradise in heaven do you feel that is "unloving"?

Hi Thomas, that's great that you're reading the Bible and seeking God's truth. Why not just ask God through prayer for wisdom and discernment to know what you should take literally? It's true that Jesus often spoke using parables which are allegorical stories to influence and make a point. There are obvious metaphors in the Bible too: John 6:54 - we don't literally eat Jesus' flesh and blood, etc.

Also Tutus, Jas 5:11,12. We don't forgive God--He will forgive us of those who believe NOT and what our Lord has done for His children.

Thomas Hills IV-- Job 1:1, 6-12 Job 2:1-6. Satan said he could have Job eating out of his hand turn him away from God. God told Satan to have a try but save his life. This was to show Satan how Job loved worshiped God. Job suffered but never lost faith in the lord. Satan lost. No old time tale--the bible is true correct.