Jean, there are only hints to ages of the Apostles and Disciples in the New Testament that I've found in my studies. However the Old Testament mentions ages often. Perhaps it is so we will follow Christ regardless of our ages & not discredit anyone because of age.
Could it be because GOD ALMIGHTY had already spoken about the insignificance or irrelevance of age? Except in determining prophecy?
Jeremiah 1:6 -7
Act 2:17
Joel 2:28
Genesis 18:11 -12
Joshua 14:6 - 15:17
Luke 2:42 -47
Hopefully that is as encouraging to you as it is to me.
How is it possible that Jesus returns before anti-christ completes his 42 months of rule, between the 6th & 7th trumpets? Unless you are talking about 6th trumpet Jesus, who 'comes like a thief' to install the abomination of desolation on the whole house of Israel, you are mistaken. God comes with anti-christ's army ( Ezekiel 38:4) to destroy Babylon and put the world in great tribulation.
The Jesus you are looking for is the 7th trumpet Jesus, standing on the hill with His 144 thousand saints. I have been telling you this for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, but you refuse to take instruction. Study the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord ( Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Joel 2:1-11, Revelation 18) as we are approaching our visitation.
I believe the church started at Pentecost because the Holy Spirit filled all the disciples in that house. Then others came the number around 3000 heard Peter and the other disciples speaking in their languages. Peter stood up and said this is what you are seeing ( Joel 2:28-32). Then Peter told them "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost".
So, that is why I believe the Church started then. But these were all Jewish, and only Jewish people were told the gospel until Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius, he was among the Gentiles. At this time Peter stayed in Jerusalem and the Church was all Jewish. A little later Jesus visited Saul/Paul and sent him to unto Gentiles.
I believe the different thoughts of when the Church started comes from Paul being sent to the Gentiles with the word he was given from Jesus did not require them to be circumcised or be under the law of Moses. It was to make the Jews jealous. We see later the conflicts between the Jewish believers in Jesus and Paul's teaching. We see this in Acts 15 the debate on this, to be circumcised and be under the law. We see Paul addressed it in ( Galatians 2:4-9).
We see in Acts 21 when Paul went into Jerusalem and went unto James, and thousands of believing Jews were there and they were all zealous of the law. They accused Paul of telling the Jews that were among the Gentiles that they should not circumcise their children and not be under the law. They wanted to kill Paul and almost did.
The difference in the Jewish believers along with some of the apostles, teaching to be circumcised and be under the law and what Paul's teachings, given to him by Jesus Himself is where the question comes when the Church started.
I'm sure some will disagree, but this is my understanding.
Hi Lauren On the I Am A lot lot of eastern thought believes that we were born with some type of energy or spirit that all we have to do is energize it and we can be anything we want to be. Its a great line of spiritual deception, total contradiction of the Word of God born dead in trespasses and sin without God and without Hope. There is no way out except Jesus Christ. God Bless
Thank you Mishael. God saved me too. Praise God. The false New Age worldview of "God Consciousness" and "Christ Consciousness," the "Cosmic Christ," the I AM, is extremely prevalent in our culture. Oprah Winfrey, Deepok Chopra, Marianne Williamson, you name it, all espouse this philosophy. I was drawn to Zen Buddhism because my "self" was so painful (read: sin) and Buddhism promised "No Self" or enlightenment, or freedom from self, through meditation, mantras, etc. As I said, all I got was more stuck in self, and sin. But I didn't know it as sin then. Hinduism, yoga, the I AM practice (parroting "I AM, knowing I AM as the name of God, over and over, in order to BECOME God) was the next empty effort. Failure upon failure. More stuck than ever. I am grateful for all my false avenues, to win so great a Saviour. This belief in this "New Age Jesus" (false Christ) or "Universal Consciousness as Love" is so prevalent in our society, and it has infiltrated the Church, in many ways. God Bless you Mishael. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
Mishael Tremendous testimony and witness most people play around with this stuff or think there smarter than the enemy he is the GREAT LIAR AND DECEIVER, with Gods Word you are either For or Against there is no SITTING oN THE FENCE. Thank God for your Deliverance. God Bless
FALSE RELIGIONDOCTRINE OF DEMONS - In Reply on Joel 2 - 4 years ago
In order to truly see God, you have to stay in NOTHING else but the Bible; the Word of God. Jesus said, I and My Father are One and the same. The Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of Christ.
As one who was delivered from evil I had done; That Person died. I woke up a brand new child of the Living God. The old person passed away. I put my life into Gods hands. I Choose to Follow Jesus and the Bible every day.
IT TOOK ME AN ENTIRE DAY TO RID MY HOME OF ALL OCCULT MATERIAL. Worth thousands of dollars and I burned all of it. I stirred it and made sure it was destroyed. I dedicated the act to God. "I do this for You. I worship You. I choose You, to be my Father." Acts 19:19. The Holy Spirit undertook my babyhood in Jesus. He has been my only TEACHER. My Comforter. My Beloved.
You cannot STRADDLE THE FENCE, between loving Jesus, and loving the World. To even read books of things that were mentioned in this comment room today; is an ABOMINATION.
You must CHOOSE today whom you will serve. You cannot have Both. Do you want to see God? Read Isaiah 6: 1-9
I will not read mans writings of satan and his numerous lies, deceptions, false religions, books people wrote in order to enrich their bank accounts. Book of Enoch is NOT in the Bible!
If you want to know about Satan and his demons, principalities and powers: memorize Isaiah 14. Count how many times Satan boasts, I WILL...
What does Satan look like? Isaiah 14:11
He will steal and pollute your mind, seduce you with lies. Before you know your house will be covered in occult books (which are inhabited by demons)..and the Bible will be covered in Dust.
There is no glory in being an expert on demonology. In cursing innocent children's walk with God; You fall from heaven like Lucifer did. There was no ceremony. Michael the archangel hurled Satan to the earth like a sack of potatoes; and the demons followed in like manner.
I guess this is a hot topic for me, because I keep having more to say.... But even after I was saved, I fell into
using "I AM" as a kind of mantra, desperately wanting to know (with my mind) that Jesus was within me.
All I had to do was quietly repeat, "I am....." and meditate. But there is a huge difference between desperately
wanting to know THAT Christ is within us, and desperately wanting to know CHRIST ..... When the Lord Jesus Christ is present, and you look into His face, you feel every sin wiped away, you feel cleansed and completely freed. You are a soul in love..... When you look into face of "I AM" or "God Consciousness," you meet an idea. Sin has not been dealt with. You remain in your sin. You may not know intellectually but you feel it. Someone put it well: your feet remain firmly planted in mid-air.
there is a wonderful interview of Steven Bacarz (former new age megastar, converted to Christ) being interviewed by Alisa Chambers, on the new age "Universal Christ," a book written by Richard Rohr. I fell pray to the Universal Christ too, just praying, "I AM" believing I Am to be Christ.... ("know ye not, ye are gods?") I AM became a mantra. there was no need of any gospel, no need of any Blood of the Lamb. It is a huge movement in the New Age, Richard Rohrs book has influenced many, many people. It is really Hindu philosophy, meditating on "I AM" to lead you to Unity Consciousness, or God Consciousness. Everybody can say, "I AM" and so everybody has Christ.... When I lived in the Zen Buddhist center in my 20's, we all had a "mantra," a word you say over an over again, later on I tried "I AM" as a mantra. What I got was more stuck in my mind, fallen prey to another delusion. The Lord is a Person. The fallen self cannot keep saying the name of the Lord and become a god, as I found out. Mishael, I wonder if you could make a comment on this Universal Christ movement so prevalent among New Agers.... Did you ever come upon in in evangelizing?
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I think Joel 2:29 just about covers it. If you follow Jesus and Paul's ministries, you'll see that women followed Jesus and helped with various chores for the whole group. There was no dating. They all chose to follow.
How is the "church" removed at the seventh and final trumpet, after the great tribulation, and after the mystery of God is over? For such a man-made doctrine to be successful, it must be implemented prior to the day of the Lord, prior to the abomination of desolation, prior to the destruction of God's people, prior to Joel 2:1-11, or it's pointless. Be it pre or post tribulation "rapture", you are taking God's word to create your own special path to heaven.
It is the sealed witnesses, ( Revelation 11:12) those who are spiritually worthy, who are lifted up at the last trump to everlasting life. Firstfruits. Do not even consider standing next to these pure virgin saints that are called and faithful. God makes the order of how the end-times will unfold, not narcissistic man.
What difference will it make for you to wait your turn and not force your way in, just like Jacob?
If we pray always to the Lord of the Harvest, God will arrange divine appointments. That's the first thing Jesus taught me about being an evangelist: one who carries the Good News.
All things work together for good...
I think everything should be done decently and in order, as the Bible teaches. If God calls someone to ministry, He Will make a way for it.
The Tree (Jesus) is known by its Fruit. Without the Anointing of the Holy Spirit; the way will be difficult. Prepare. Follow Jesus.
There are several ways to look at this scripture. It is wrapped in mystery that's not easily meant to see. Esoteric in nature. I can only take the essence of the story and see how fits & splits between Jesus' and satan's earthly ministries. You have to think your way through it, it could take years, some you'll never know. God is going to make you work for what he previously has spelled out in allegory.
Daniel 9:27 allegory makes me envision the beast army forewarning its Babylon attack, thinking about placing the abomination that makes desolate (smart missiles) ( Joel 2:4-11) ( Isaiah 47) ( Revelation 18). This sixth trumpet, surprise event begins anti-christ's 3.5 year reign.
( Daniel 9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I just located the scriptures that show that we won't be shuffling around aimlessly In heaven;
Beyond the time it takes for earth to be purified by fire.
We will have work to do. :D That's why we will help organize, angels work. I have not imagination to try and anticipate anything.
I also feel this deep urge to bow down and worship Jesus! Excited too, to see what He does next!!
Am I nuts or does anyone else find this an awesome prospect?
Right this moment on digs in Israel, they are finding answers, locations, relics of olden sacrifice implements. They found a copper scroll, that the letters were pressed in upon it. Jews are getting thrilled over the discoveries. The 1st copper scroll points to a 2nd one, in another location: supposedly which the Palestinians control. They have no claim against the Covenant of the Land, God made with Abraham. He clearly outlined the perimeters.
"Ishmael descendants", have no claim!!
They do have the same right to become children of God, through Jesus Christ.
PLEEAASSE pray for the Peace of Jerusalem every day. Jesus said it. We need to obey it.
When building on the 3rd Temple commences, all rejection, roadblocks, outcry from non-Jewish governments are going to swell up like a tsunami.
The Antichrist will briefly sit on the 3rd Temple Throne.
I did this very long tracing of history on ancestors sojourns. How one ancestor moved to Moab. Moab was an enemy of The covenant Jews; which persisted. It said they will agree to allow the Jews to flee to the mountains in Moab. For how long I don't know. The Antichrist will pursue them.
My excitement is that these archaeological digs going on now, are a huge leap in prophesy. You will see The Church explode in evangelism as this progresses.
Look at a map with Moab on it. It's not that far. It will be comparable to the Red Sea & Moses.
God is about to pour out the anointing oil of prophesy on those He trusts.
Obadiah 1:10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
This is the 1st time we hear claim of violence against Esau. In real life, the last time Esau and Jacob saw each was on the trail, and Jacob feared Esau would kill him for stealing the birthright, ( Genesis 33). Any previous mention of Gog/the beast anti-christ were glowing. God used Esau's "sanctified" beast army to defeat Jacob (Babylon); anti-christ's army are described as "even them that rejoice in my highness". Gog/beast are Christian's from a (frozen) desert ( Isaiah 21:1). The times God brags about His "northern army" are many.
He calls anti-christ's army, "His army", His "sanctified ones" and "His camp".
( Isaiah 13: 3-6) I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.
4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
( Joel 2:11) And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
What did Esau do to change God's mind into HATING him? Esau did God's will and destroyed Babylon, so what happened beyond that? What violence does anti-christ do to infuriate God?
Jamie, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the sixth seal....
Jesus is telling (not literally) the saints in the Old testament (those described in Hebrews 11) to wait a while longer and they would be glorified at his resurrection.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD come.
The DAY OF THE LORD came when Christ was crucified and resurrected.
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour was there darkness over all the land until the ninth hour.
Matthew 27:51 ...And the earth did quake ....
John 19:34 ....And forthwith came there out blood...
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the (old Testament) saints which slept AROSE,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the grave after HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city (new Jerusalem), and appeared to many.
This is the one hundred and forty four thousand that are sealed in Revelation 7.
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Christ replaced it with his death) and the abomination that maketh DESOLATE (Jesus had to become your life) set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (42 months, Christ ministry on earth).
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
There was 45 days of silence between Christ Resurrection and Pentecost then the Holy Spirit was poured out on man (Christ second coming).
We all minister to the saints, You can do that without uttering a word! You're ministering when you're helping, There's no office or gift that stands out above another being that God gave the Church these Ministers and also the gifts.
Joel 2:28 " I will pour out my spirit on
" ALL "flesh, Have that happen yet? I'm afraid not. Has "ALL" Israel began to Prophecy? No but they will during the Millennium.
Peter said in
Acts 2:16. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; " IT IS LIKE THAT OF JOEL'S PROPHECY.
God said "I will pour my spirit upon ALL flesh" This parallels with Ezekiel 37. They're in the land but have they received the Spirit? NO.
Ezekiel 37:14. AND SHALL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Joel 2:27-28. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of ISRAEL, AND THAT I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, and none else: and MY PEOPLE SHALL NEVER BE ASHAMED.
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
( THIS IS DURING THE MILLENNIUM )
HERE'S THE CHURCH INSTRUCTIONS.
Ephesians 4:11-12. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Paul says the Older woman is to teach the younger.
Titus 2:3-4.
1 Timothy 2:11-15. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Women In Ministry in the Last Days - In Reply - 4 years ago
Wesley's Notes for Joel 2:28
2:28 Afterward - After the return out of Babylon, after the various troubles and salvations by which these may know that I am the Lord. I will pour - In extraordinary gifts on the first preachers of the gospel, and in various graces to all believers. Upon all flesh - Before these gifts were confined to one particular nation; but now they shall be enlarged to all nations, and all that believe. Shall prophesy - This was in part fulfilled according to the letter in the first days of the gospel; but the promise MEANS FARTHER, by pouring out of the spirit on your sons and your daughters, they shall have as full a knowledge of the mysteries of God's law, as prophets before time had. Shalt dream dreams - This also was literally fulfilled in the apostles days. But it may MEAN FARTHER
, the knowledge of God and his will, shall abound among all ranks, SEXES and ages in the Messiah's days, and not only equal, but surpass all that formerly was by prophesy, dreams, or visions.
In my experience, we all submit ourselves to learn under Church Leadership. You grow up. You involve yourself in Ministry of some kind; and demonstrate faithfulness to growing others up.
You do not think highly of your abilities until you put in some time, learning and doing. You can practice on people in these comment rooms. There are scholars here, and babes in Christ. Perhaps become involved in evangelism...where the rubber meets the road. Certainly, be part of intercession prayer groups.
One teacher that I met in a week Conference at my Church (open to men and women) is an excellent equipping teacher. Go on YouTube and look up, Iverna Tompkins.
If you read that Commentary on Joel, you'll see it speaks of a future generation. If God has a call on your life, it will grow only as you're willing to grow it. Sometimes our presumptions die grizzly deaths; but in the end we will shine like gold, in the Masters Hand.
Women Preachers in prophesy - In Reply on Romans 1 - 4 years ago
Wesley's Notes for Joel 2:28
2:28 Afterward - After the return out of Babylon, after the various troubles and salvations by which these may know that I am the Lord. I will pour - In extraordinary gifts on the first preachers of the gospel, and in various graces to all believers. Upon all flesh - Before these gifts were confined to one particular nation; but now they shall be ENLARGED to all nations, and all that believe. Shall prophesy - This was in part fulfilled according to the letter in the first days of the gospel; BUT the promise means farther, by pouring out of the spirit on your sons and your DAUGHTERS, they shall have as full a knowledge of the mysteries of God's law, as prophets before time had. Shalt dream dreams - This also was literally fulfilled in the apostles days. But it may mean farther, the knowledge of God and his will, shall abound among all ranks, SEXES and AGES in the Messiah's days, and not only equal, but surpass all that formerly was by prophesy, dreams, or visions.
Mishael comment: (no offense intended). This prophesy is a call of God on people's lives. It's holy and should be treated thus so. It is not a license to behave unorderly in the House of God. You give your life and ministry to the Lord and He will make a way for you. There are no small beginnings, but we need to make some mistakes so the anointing of the Holy Spirit will fall upon The Word being taught or preached. He is your Teacher and "coach". See some examples first. I rather like Iverna Tompkins sermons on YouTube. She came to my church for some days. When the ANOINTING is from God, you can tell.
Lead some Bible studies; get some evangelism experience; all very useful. Study to show yourself approved...unto God! Prayer is your bedrock of strength. The Prayer Room on this website is great, to grow your prayer life.
You haven't noticed who's who, which lends credence that you don't know the prophets, or what they saw, or what they're saying. Your prophetic scope is limited, nothing more than Biblical malpractice, especially when I correct most every post you create with hard facts. It's as if you don't realize the catastrophe inching our way, like the prophets wrote hyperbole.
Ezekiel 38:1-17 and Revelation 17/18 are analogous with each other, they describe the same event from a different angle. There's more matching verses: "the day of the Lord": Is 13, Is 17, Is 21:1-9, Is 24, Is 47, Ez 21:1-24, Ez 38:1-17, Jeremiah 50/51, Joel 2:1-11, Rev 17 & Luke 21:20-24 (Israel's fall). Do you see that all the prophets discuss the SAME EVENT, the fall of Babylon? The beast, Russia/China+ will mortally attack America the whore to smithereens. The battle is over in under 1 hour.
Let's say America survives the sixth trumpet abomination of desolation, that means when Christ returns at the seventh trumpet, He will destroy US, Russia and China. Do you see how dumb that scenario is? Babylon must fall at the sixth trumpet.
There is only 1 beast and 1 Babylon, and you don't know them. How can you know the order that is unfolding to be so void. The knowledge is obviously hidden from you. You can't even see Russia and China getting tough with threats. Russia's arsenal makes Putin bold.
Who they are, the beast and Babylon, through their descriptions. Who are these 2 powerful nations? I know you have a difficult time with it, but America is a treacherous dealer. If you are going to deny my work, you need to answer up. If you don't know who they are, or can't say who they are, then you have no business refuting my claim.
But Peter also pertaining to Joel says In the last days , which last time I checked, we are still in the last says. We have experienced these even greater than the days of pentecost, because God is giving revelation on things that will happen right up till He actually comes for the battle of Armageddon.For years He has been showing us through music and movies what was coming. EX. The movie "Armageddon " shows a meteor coming to hit the planet, and that is going to happen.Rage against the machine was taken to court right after the towers went down because of lyrics in one of their songs would lead you to think they knew about the attack, before hand when they didn't know, they were just singing what they were led to sing.So prophesying is still taking place today
Jack, I don't proclaim to know who the end time nations are, but I see the weapons they will use. I looked at Russia's weapons, and then I wondered why I thought Russia had nothing but old rusted out junk. OneSarmat missile can destroy a country the size of France. Even the most advanced anti-missile systems of the world will not stop Sarmat ( Joel 2:7-11)
Good day to you my brother Earl. As I also enjoyed reading of your post of Scriptures put together.
A couple interesting things the Holy Spirit has led me to today studying the Scriptures.
One thing just interesting was that is was a "sin", or not allowed, for a high priest to rend his clothes. Leviticus 21:10. As the high priest is said to have done in Mark 14:63.
On a more divine note that in the OT in Joel 2:32 stating "whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be delivered/saved". Speaking of YHWH Almighty God. In Romans 10:13 almost the same words though now speaking of Christ. John 10:30,
Brother Carl, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and his understanding.
Revelation 22:6 ...sent his angel to shew unto his servants the THINGS which must be SHORTLY DONE.
Revelation 22:10 ....for the time is at hand.
NO ONE could be BORN AGAIN until the seventh seal was opened.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, an lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the terrible and great day of the Lord come.
The DAY OF THE LORD came when John the baptist began preaching the kingdom of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and those that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the EARTHQUAKE and those things which were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Matthew 27:47 Now from the sixth hour there was DARKNESS over the land until the ninth hour.
John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there BLOOD and water.
Jesus was crucified when the sixth seal was opened.
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE in heaven about the space of half an hour.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice shall be take away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred ninety days.
Forty two months, three and a half years, time and times and a half. Jesus ministry in the flesh, ending in his death and resurrection. Then silence until forty five days latter and PENTECOST.
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the one thousand three hundred thirty days.
At Pentecost THE MYSTERY was revealed, the seal on Daniel's prophecy was opened: CHRIST IN YOU
Brother Judge, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had open the SIXTH SEAL, and , lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood;
This was fulfilled at CHRIST death and resurrection. This prophecy is in:
Joel 2:3 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD COME.
The one hundred forty four thousand in Revelation 7 are the Old Testament saints that were raised with Christ at his resurrection.
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints WHICH SLEPT AROSE,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the HOLY CITY (New Jerusalem) and appeared to many.
These Old Testament saints all died in FAITH; but, was never able to receive the promise of eternal life until Christ resurrection. This is shown in:
Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise (eternal life).
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some BETTER THING FOR US (eternal life), that THEY without US should not BE MADE PERFECT (accomplished by the death and resurrection of Christ).
YES, thy along with John and all other saints now IN CHRIST are MINISTERING SPIRITS; to us, HERE and NOW.
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, SENT FORTH to minister FOR THEM WHO SHALL BE HEIRS OF SALVATION.
This is the role of ALL IN CHRIST at the time they are GLORIFIED.
Could it be because GOD ALMIGHTY had already spoken about the insignificance or irrelevance of age? Except in determining prophecy?
Jeremiah 1:6 -7
Act 2:17
Joel 2:28
Genesis 18:11 -12
Joshua 14:6 - 15:17
Luke 2:42 -47
Hopefully that is as encouraging to you as it is to me.
The Jesus you are looking for is the 7th trumpet Jesus, standing on the hill with His 144 thousand saints. I have been telling you this for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, but you refuse to take instruction. Study the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord ( Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Joel 2:1-11, Revelation 18) as we are approaching our visitation.
I believe the church started at Pentecost because the Holy Spirit filled all the disciples in that house. Then others came the number around 3000 heard Peter and the other disciples speaking in their languages. Peter stood up and said this is what you are seeing ( Joel 2:28-32). Then Peter told them "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost".
So, that is why I believe the Church started then. But these were all Jewish, and only Jewish people were told the gospel until Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius, he was among the Gentiles. At this time Peter stayed in Jerusalem and the Church was all Jewish. A little later Jesus visited Saul/Paul and sent him to unto Gentiles.
I believe the different thoughts of when the Church started comes from Paul being sent to the Gentiles with the word he was given from Jesus did not require them to be circumcised or be under the law of Moses. It was to make the Jews jealous. We see later the conflicts between the Jewish believers in Jesus and Paul's teaching. We see this in Acts 15 the debate on this, to be circumcised and be under the law. We see Paul addressed it in ( Galatians 2:4-9).
We see in Acts 21 when Paul went into Jerusalem and went unto James, and thousands of believing Jews were there and they were all zealous of the law. They accused Paul of telling the Jews that were among the Gentiles that they should not circumcise their children and not be under the law. They wanted to kill Paul and almost did.
The difference in the Jewish believers along with some of the apostles, teaching to be circumcised and be under the law and what Paul's teachings, given to him by Jesus Himself is where the question comes when the Church started.
I'm sure some will disagree, but this is my understanding.
RLW
As one who was delivered from evil I had done; That Person died. I woke up a brand new child of the Living God. The old person passed away. I put my life into Gods hands. I Choose to Follow Jesus and the Bible every day.
IT TOOK ME AN ENTIRE DAY TO RID MY HOME OF ALL OCCULT MATERIAL. Worth thousands of dollars and I burned all of it. I stirred it and made sure it was destroyed. I dedicated the act to God. "I do this for You. I worship You. I choose You, to be my Father." Acts 19:19. The Holy Spirit undertook my babyhood in Jesus. He has been my only TEACHER. My Comforter. My Beloved.
You cannot STRADDLE THE FENCE, between loving Jesus, and loving the World. To even read books of things that were mentioned in this comment room today; is an ABOMINATION.
You must CHOOSE today whom you will serve. You cannot have Both. Do you want to see God? Read Isaiah 6: 1-9
I will not read mans writings of satan and his numerous lies, deceptions, false religions, books people wrote in order to enrich their bank accounts. Book of Enoch is NOT in the Bible!
If you want to know about Satan and his demons, principalities and powers: memorize Isaiah 14. Count how many times Satan boasts, I WILL...
What does Satan look like? Isaiah 14:11
He will steal and pollute your mind, seduce you with lies. Before you know your house will be covered in occult books (which are inhabited by demons)..and the Bible will be covered in Dust.
There is no glory in being an expert on demonology. In cursing innocent children's walk with God; You fall from heaven like Lucifer did. There was no ceremony. Michael the archangel hurled Satan to the earth like a sack of potatoes; and the demons followed in like manner.
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Revelation 22:12-16
Mishael
using "I AM" as a kind of mantra, desperately wanting to know (with my mind) that Jesus was within me.
All I had to do was quietly repeat, "I am....." and meditate. But there is a huge difference between desperately
wanting to know THAT Christ is within us, and desperately wanting to know CHRIST ..... When the Lord Jesus Christ is present, and you look into His face, you feel every sin wiped away, you feel cleansed and completely freed. You are a soul in love..... When you look into face of "I AM" or "God Consciousness," you meet an idea. Sin has not been dealt with. You remain in your sin. You may not know intellectually but you feel it. Someone put it well: your feet remain firmly planted in mid-air.
he is very much a believer of this "Universal Christ' and this "Light of God" being in all beings..... a very Hindu idea.
To someone who has not met the Lord, not been born again, the idea of God being a "Person" seems very constricting,
very narrow, hence the great appeal of the unsaved flocking to the "Universal Christ.'
Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
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I think Joel 2:29 just about covers it. If you follow Jesus and Paul's ministries, you'll see that women followed Jesus and helped with various chores for the whole group. There was no dating. They all chose to follow.
How is the "church" removed at the seventh and final trumpet, after the great tribulation, and after the mystery of God is over? For such a man-made doctrine to be successful, it must be implemented prior to the day of the Lord, prior to the abomination of desolation, prior to the destruction of God's people, prior to Joel 2:1-11, or it's pointless. Be it pre or post tribulation "rapture", you are taking God's word to create your own special path to heaven.
It is the sealed witnesses, ( Revelation 11:12) those who are spiritually worthy, who are lifted up at the last trump to everlasting life. Firstfruits. Do not even consider standing next to these pure virgin saints that are called and faithful. God makes the order of how the end-times will unfold, not narcissistic man.
What difference will it make for you to wait your turn and not force your way in, just like Jacob?
is a prophesy about the Last Days.
Servants and hand maids are we.
If we pray always to the Lord of the Harvest, God will arrange divine appointments. That's the first thing Jesus taught me about being an evangelist: one who carries the Good News.
All things work together for good...
I think everything should be done decently and in order, as the Bible teaches. If God calls someone to ministry, He Will make a way for it.
The Tree (Jesus) is known by its Fruit. Without the Anointing of the Holy Spirit; the way will be difficult. Prepare. Follow Jesus.
There are several ways to look at this scripture. It is wrapped in mystery that's not easily meant to see. Esoteric in nature. I can only take the essence of the story and see how fits & splits between Jesus' and satan's earthly ministries. You have to think your way through it, it could take years, some you'll never know. God is going to make you work for what he previously has spelled out in allegory.
Daniel 9:27 allegory makes me envision the beast army forewarning its Babylon attack, thinking about placing the abomination that makes desolate (smart missiles) ( Joel 2:4-11) ( Isaiah 47) ( Revelation 18). This sixth trumpet, surprise event begins anti-christ's 3.5 year reign.
( Daniel 9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Beyond the time it takes for earth to be purified by fire.
We will have work to do. :D That's why we will help organize, angels work. I have not imagination to try and anticipate anything.
I also feel this deep urge to bow down and worship Jesus! Excited too, to see what He does next!!
Am I nuts or does anyone else find this an awesome prospect?
Right this moment on digs in Israel, they are finding answers, locations, relics of olden sacrifice implements. They found a copper scroll, that the letters were pressed in upon it. Jews are getting thrilled over the discoveries. The 1st copper scroll points to a 2nd one, in another location: supposedly which the Palestinians control. They have no claim against the Covenant of the Land, God made with Abraham. He clearly outlined the perimeters.
"Ishmael descendants", have no claim!!
They do have the same right to become children of God, through Jesus Christ.
PLEEAASSE pray for the Peace of Jerusalem every day. Jesus said it. We need to obey it.
When building on the 3rd Temple commences, all rejection, roadblocks, outcry from non-Jewish governments are going to swell up like a tsunami.
The Antichrist will briefly sit on the 3rd Temple Throne.
I did this very long tracing of history on ancestors sojourns. How one ancestor moved to Moab. Moab was an enemy of The covenant Jews; which persisted. It said they will agree to allow the Jews to flee to the mountains in Moab. For how long I don't know. The Antichrist will pursue them.
My excitement is that these archaeological digs going on now, are a huge leap in prophesy. You will see The Church explode in evangelism as this progresses.
Look at a map with Moab on it. It's not that far. It will be comparable to the Red Sea & Moses.
God is about to pour out the anointing oil of prophesy on those He trusts.
Joel 2:18-32
This is the 1st time we hear claim of violence against Esau. In real life, the last time Esau and Jacob saw each was on the trail, and Jacob feared Esau would kill him for stealing the birthright, ( Genesis 33). Any previous mention of Gog/the beast anti-christ were glowing. God used Esau's "sanctified" beast army to defeat Jacob (Babylon); anti-christ's army are described as "even them that rejoice in my highness". Gog/beast are Christian's from a (frozen) desert ( Isaiah 21:1). The times God brags about His "northern army" are many.
He calls anti-christ's army, "His army", His "sanctified ones" and "His camp".
( Isaiah 13: 3-6) I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.
4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
( Joel 2:11) And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
What did Esau do to change God's mind into HATING him? Esau did God's will and destroyed Babylon, so what happened beyond that? What violence does anti-christ do to infuriate God?
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the sixth seal....
Jesus is telling (not literally) the saints in the Old testament (those described in Hebrews 11) to wait a while longer and they would be glorified at his resurrection.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD come.
The DAY OF THE LORD came when Christ was crucified and resurrected.
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour was there darkness over all the land until the ninth hour.
Matthew 27:51 ...And the earth did quake ....
John 19:34 ....And forthwith came there out blood...
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the (old Testament) saints which slept AROSE,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the grave after HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city (new Jerusalem), and appeared to many.
This is the one hundred and forty four thousand that are sealed in Revelation 7.
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Christ replaced it with his death) and the abomination that maketh DESOLATE (Jesus had to become your life) set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (42 months, Christ ministry on earth).
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
There was 45 days of silence between Christ Resurrection and Pentecost then the Holy Spirit was poured out on man (Christ second coming).
We all minister to the saints, You can do that without uttering a word! You're ministering when you're helping, There's no office or gift that stands out above another being that God gave the Church these Ministers and also the gifts.
Joel 2:28 " I will pour out my spirit on
" ALL "flesh, Have that happen yet? I'm afraid not. Has "ALL" Israel began to Prophecy? No but they will during the Millennium.
Peter said in
Acts 2:16. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; " IT IS LIKE THAT OF JOEL'S PROPHECY.
God said "I will pour my spirit upon ALL flesh" This parallels with Ezekiel 37. They're in the land but have they received the Spirit? NO.
Ezekiel 37:14. AND SHALL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Joel 2:27-28. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of ISRAEL, AND THAT I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, and none else: and MY PEOPLE SHALL NEVER BE ASHAMED.
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
( THIS IS DURING THE MILLENNIUM )
HERE'S THE CHURCH INSTRUCTIONS.
Ephesians 4:11-12. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Paul says the Older woman is to teach the younger.
Titus 2:3-4.
1 Timothy 2:11-15. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
GB.
2:28 Afterward - After the return out of Babylon, after the various troubles and salvations by which these may know that I am the Lord. I will pour - In extraordinary gifts on the first preachers of the gospel, and in various graces to all believers. Upon all flesh - Before these gifts were confined to one particular nation; but now they shall be enlarged to all nations, and all that believe. Shall prophesy - This was in part fulfilled according to the letter in the first days of the gospel; but the promise MEANS FARTHER, by pouring out of the spirit on your sons and your daughters, they shall have as full a knowledge of the mysteries of God's law, as prophets before time had. Shalt dream dreams - This also was literally fulfilled in the apostles days. But it may MEAN FARTHER
, the knowledge of God and his will, shall abound among all ranks, SEXES and ages in the Messiah's days, and not only equal, but surpass all that formerly was by prophesy, dreams, or visions.
In my experience, we all submit ourselves to learn under Church Leadership. You grow up. You involve yourself in Ministry of some kind; and demonstrate faithfulness to growing others up.
You do not think highly of your abilities until you put in some time, learning and doing. You can practice on people in these comment rooms. There are scholars here, and babes in Christ. Perhaps become involved in evangelism...where the rubber meets the road. Certainly, be part of intercession prayer groups.
One teacher that I met in a week Conference at my Church (open to men and women) is an excellent equipping teacher. Go on YouTube and look up, Iverna Tompkins.
If you read that Commentary on Joel, you'll see it speaks of a future generation. If God has a call on your life, it will grow only as you're willing to grow it. Sometimes our presumptions die grizzly deaths; but in the end we will shine like gold, in the Masters Hand.
Be of good courage.
2:28 Afterward - After the return out of Babylon, after the various troubles and salvations by which these may know that I am the Lord. I will pour - In extraordinary gifts on the first preachers of the gospel, and in various graces to all believers. Upon all flesh - Before these gifts were confined to one particular nation; but now they shall be ENLARGED to all nations, and all that believe. Shall prophesy - This was in part fulfilled according to the letter in the first days of the gospel; BUT the promise means farther, by pouring out of the spirit on your sons and your DAUGHTERS, they shall have as full a knowledge of the mysteries of God's law, as prophets before time had. Shalt dream dreams - This also was literally fulfilled in the apostles days. But it may mean farther, the knowledge of God and his will, shall abound among all ranks, SEXES and AGES in the Messiah's days, and not only equal, but surpass all that formerly was by prophesy, dreams, or visions.
Mishael comment: (no offense intended). This prophesy is a call of God on people's lives. It's holy and should be treated thus so. It is not a license to behave unorderly in the House of God. You give your life and ministry to the Lord and He will make a way for you. There are no small beginnings, but we need to make some mistakes so the anointing of the Holy Spirit will fall upon The Word being taught or preached. He is your Teacher and "coach". See some examples first. I rather like Iverna Tompkins sermons on YouTube. She came to my church for some days. When the ANOINTING is from God, you can tell.
Lead some Bible studies; get some evangelism experience; all very useful. Study to show yourself approved...unto God! Prayer is your bedrock of strength. The Prayer Room on this website is great, to grow your prayer life.
Get closer to the Holy Spirit.'
Ezekiel 38:1-17 and Revelation 17/18 are analogous with each other, they describe the same event from a different angle. There's more matching verses: "the day of the Lord": Is 13, Is 17, Is 21:1-9, Is 24, Is 47, Ez 21:1-24, Ez 38:1-17, Jeremiah 50/51, Joel 2:1-11, Rev 17 & Luke 21:20-24 (Israel's fall). Do you see that all the prophets discuss the SAME EVENT, the fall of Babylon? The beast, Russia/China+ will mortally attack America the whore to smithereens. The battle is over in under 1 hour.
Let's say America survives the sixth trumpet abomination of desolation, that means when Christ returns at the seventh trumpet, He will destroy US, Russia and China. Do you see how dumb that scenario is? Babylon must fall at the sixth trumpet.
There is only 1 beast and 1 Babylon, and you don't know them. How can you know the order that is unfolding to be so void. The knowledge is obviously hidden from you. You can't even see Russia and China getting tough with threats. Russia's arsenal makes Putin bold.
Who they are, the beast and Babylon, through their descriptions. Who are these 2 powerful nations? I know you have a difficult time with it, but America is a treacherous dealer. If you are going to deny my work, you need to answer up. If you don't know who they are, or can't say who they are, then you have no business refuting my claim.
A couple interesting things the Holy Spirit has led me to today studying the Scriptures.
One thing just interesting was that is was a "sin", or not allowed, for a high priest to rend his clothes. Leviticus 21:10. As the high priest is said to have done in Mark 14:63.
On a more divine note that in the OT in Joel 2:32 stating "whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be delivered/saved". Speaking of YHWH Almighty God. In Romans 10:13 almost the same words though now speaking of Christ. John 10:30,
Have a Blessed day brother Earl.
Revelation 22:6 ...sent his angel to shew unto his servants the THINGS which must be SHORTLY DONE.
Revelation 22:10 ....for the time is at hand.
NO ONE could be BORN AGAIN until the seventh seal was opened.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, an lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the terrible and great day of the Lord come.
The DAY OF THE LORD came when John the baptist began preaching the kingdom of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and those that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the EARTHQUAKE and those things which were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Matthew 27:47 Now from the sixth hour there was DARKNESS over the land until the ninth hour.
John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there BLOOD and water.
Jesus was crucified when the sixth seal was opened.
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE in heaven about the space of half an hour.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice shall be take away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred ninety days.
Forty two months, three and a half years, time and times and a half. Jesus ministry in the flesh, ending in his death and resurrection. Then silence until forty five days latter and PENTECOST.
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the one thousand three hundred thirty days.
At Pentecost THE MYSTERY was revealed, the seal on Daniel's prophecy was opened: CHRIST IN YOU
became possible.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had open the SIXTH SEAL, and , lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood;
This was fulfilled at CHRIST death and resurrection. This prophecy is in:
Joel 2:3 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD COME.
The one hundred forty four thousand in Revelation 7 are the Old Testament saints that were raised with Christ at his resurrection.
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints WHICH SLEPT AROSE,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the HOLY CITY (New Jerusalem) and appeared to many.
These Old Testament saints all died in FAITH; but, was never able to receive the promise of eternal life until Christ resurrection. This is shown in:
Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise (eternal life).
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some BETTER THING FOR US (eternal life), that THEY without US should not BE MADE PERFECT (accomplished by the death and resurrection of Christ).
YES, thy along with John and all other saints now IN CHRIST are MINISTERING SPIRITS; to us, HERE and NOW.
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, SENT FORTH to minister FOR THEM WHO SHALL BE HEIRS OF SALVATION.
This is the role of ALL IN CHRIST at the time they are GLORIFIED.