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You said even Hitler will be in heaven- so even the world's most evil, vile, mass murderer even gets in, according to you. But I wonder if that's just your idea or if that's 100% untrue. What if that's a lie from satan? It sure sounds the opposite of what God said.
Jesus warned his Christian followers repeatedly to avoid sin. He gave them lots of parables about separating good from bad, and how most people will go to hell, and only few people will make it to heaven. So, in your religion, if even Hitler goes to heaven, then who doesn't make it in?
In your world, if you're a Christian do you believe tonight, you can freely commit any sin you'd like with no ramifications? Adultery, immorality, sodomy, murder, lying, cheating, stealing- it's all ok? Is that really what the Bible says? My Bible doesn't say that. If you do that you're basically slapping Jesus in the face, spitting on Him, and turning your back on His grace. Shame on anyone who does this. God will fairly judge all and no one is saved until they are judged.
John 14:15
Hebrews 10:26
James 2:19
2 Corinthians 5:10
The verses that say you have an inheritance, assurance assume you're genuinely following Jesus, not following Satan!!!
My immediate sense, to cry out and fight back, but I know this would be Satan's will for me! This one who hates me, and cant wait to have his way with me. His desire to tare me down, before those who will look to me and those who have abiding faith! We who will be conquerors, in the promises of God!
Hold fast therefore onto that which you have! Do not let it slip away. Paul's very words! That will be all it takes, is it to just slip! The faith, the hope, the waiting for His promises! Waiting to see Him face to face! The Christ the savior of the world!
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:3-6.
I would just read what God says and ignore what man says. If you click on these or hover over them you'll see what each Bible verse says. It's clear to me what it says and means and is interesting how some others word hard to try to make it mean something else. 1 Peter 5:8
Matthew 7:14
Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
Romans 11
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Matthew 12:31-32
Romans 14:12
1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
People have freewill to choose good or evil:
Psalms 25:12
Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"
Psalm 119:30
Luke 16:13
Proverbs 3:31
Fear God:
Joshua 24:14
Psalms 25:12
Proverbs 1:29
Seek God:
Psalms 63:1
"I'm not a bad person". Everyone thinks they're good, including the wicked.
Romans 3:23
Mark 10:18
Amen to that comment, the old KJV is all I read also. So many people are trying to argue their way into heaven, fighting over who's right and who's wrong they forget the simple answer is right there in the Word of God John 14:6 (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) Very nice comment D W L, God Bless.
Mark 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein."
1 John 5:7-8 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
Romans 11
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Matthew 12:31-32
Romans 14:12
1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
Christians believe Jesus is God because the Bible clearly says He's God. Is that reason enough? John 1:1 flat out says it. So, so all the scriptures below that even children read and understand. It needs no creative interpreting, needs no progressive pastor to interpret, just literally what it says. Jesus being God doesn't mean He's God the Father, but God the Son. God became a man and died for you, do you believe Him?
Claiming that Christians who read the scriptures and believe are somehow just 'Americans' or 'Catholics' seems like a disingenuous attack on Christians. Labeling and dividing and lying is what I've seen done to make such anti-Christ arguments. Anyone who does this is on extremely dangerous ground. Anyone who tries to spread anti-Christ lies should be ashamed of themselves.
1 John 2:22-24
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."
1 John 5:7
Genesis 1:26
John 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
John 1:1
Philippians 2:5 - 2:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
1 John 5:7
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 5:8
1 John 2:22-24
You will find God's 10 Commandments in your bible in Exodus chapter 20 verses 1-17.
You will find many, many references to these commandments throughout your bible in the old and new testaments.
Jesus and his apostles followed God's ten commandments. And Jesus said:
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Jesus also said:
John 15:10
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
You will find there are many people today, even on this web site that will minimize or disregard God's 10 Commandments.
God Bless
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:3
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
God made his son Jesus Christ.
Matthew 17:5
"While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."
This is my Son -hear ye Him.
2 Peter 1:17
"For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus Christ was made by God and God was pleased with his son.
John 14:13
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Jesus Christ is the WORD and the Word is God.
Jesus and his Father God are One.
God Bless
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I was a Sunday keeper once so I am familiar with all of these excuses.
To cut to the chase I should ask that I be provided with one bible text that calls Sunday the Sabbath. Just 1.
Really, it is a matter of one's relationship to Christ. God is so wise he anticipated all of these reasons not to do as he commanded (not suggested).
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
You see the Sabbath is one of the commandments.
Lots of people call themselves Christian but they do not meet the above criteria. God knew it.
Matthew7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name...
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Does it say by the New Testament only??
There is safety in sticking to what is written in God's word.
Truth can bear examination my mother taught me.
Remember that God is omniscient. We are not smarter than He is.
Trust God he will not lead you astray. Forget your opinion or my opinion and lean not to your understanding,
I am busy, in the mean time I will refer you to Amazing Facts by Doug Batchelor where these questions are addressed and TV station 3ABN.
When I am available I will come back to this discussion but please accept above in the mean time.
Psalms 147:3 - He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.
1 Peter 5:7 - Casting all your care upon him; for he cares for you.
Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives (of sin), and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
John 14:27 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Proverbs 3:5-6 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto your own understanding.
Psalms 73:26 - My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.
Psalms 51:17 - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
2 Corinthians 12:9 - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Comment: God knows of our pain. Lay your sorrows at his feet. Give yours to Him (speak it), and receive His comfort, joy and healing. Never pick up what you've given to God. It's His now.
Fat on the Word, I like that! Amen! Thanks for your prayer and sharing the blessings....
John 6:35
"And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."
Have a blessed week Brother!
Hope you were blessed also.
I pray the Lord would open a window, say hi to you, and pour out a blessing on you and your family and kin. Peace shine on you.
As I may have stated these things before I believe they are a way of pointing to the Divinity of Christ or His pre-existence. Being one with the Father.
Many places throughout the NT it is stated that when we are "born again" we receive the Holy Ghost from above. Which also in many places we have the Spirit of God in us and the Spirit of Christ in us. I hope no one would just want to pick one out of the three.
We are told the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth in several places. We know the Spirit of God is life. As in Genesis 2:7 God brought fourth life to the dust He formed us from by the breath of life. So there's two things that connect directly to John 14:6 Jesus Christ saying "I AM" these things.
We know Jesus Christ is the Mediator between God and man. I don't see any way of someone being this except He were both. God and man. We see even in the OT denoting our Creator having a Son. Before He was born of the flesh here. Proverbs 30:4.
We know about John 1 in that He is the Word of God who became flesh and dwelt among us. Also noted as the Lamb of God from John the baptist. Who also stated that one was coming after him who was before him. John was around six months older than Jesus Christ. This seems to point to pre-existence. Also as another stated to be a perfect sacrifice for the entire world I would think it would have to be more than just a "perfect human". Being the Lamb of God He is part of God.
Again I know some have a their own view of these things. Though to just use the Scripture and let the Holy Ghost be your teacher it is sure.
I want to end this with just saying how thankful I am that Lord has chosen me to have received His Holy Spirit. To live for Him. All the things He has allowed me to see, hear, feel. Priceless. There is nothing else that interests me anymore except to please our Father and thank Him continually for sending us His Son. To be reconciled with the Father through Him.
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
Praise the Lord!
Hope that all my brothers and sisters are doing well on this Sabbath Day!
God Bless
If you agree that your definition of a Christian is different, then what is your definition? What exact criteria makes someone a Christian in your view?
My criteria is: believe Jesus Christ, repent/confess sin, and be baptized. Matthew 10:32, John 3:16, Luke 5:32, Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16. A Christian is a Christ follower, which is an action. It is an ongoing activity and responsibility to follow Jesus and obey Him and strive to live a holy life. It takes great effort to do this avoid sin. Look at Paul's struggle in Romans 7. John 14:15. Romans 12:2, James 2:26, John 8:11.
The gentleman I previously spoke about did all the above and is a Christian, but you said he wasn't. Why not? In your view is a Christian not a Christian if he sins just once, or twice, or does it depend on the sin?
And Jesus's followers were indeed Christians. A literal Christ follower is as true to being a Christian as you can possibly get. They literally followed Him around all day, listened to His teachings, believed Him, tried to emulate Him. Judas and Peter both denied and betrayed Him as Christians, because they had freewill to do so, just like Satan had freewill in heaven to do what he did, and just like so many Christians do today, by leaving, denying the faith, committing sin.
What is most sad is this Christian I referred to living in sin right now is doing so because of messages he's been told like you're telling. He's been brainwashed into believing he is already saved and he can now do whatever he wants- that it's impossible to lose his salvation. And now he's enjoying sin and doing all kinds of evil, because he was told he's saved and in the book of life. Christians who think they can get by with committing unlimited sin are completely ignoring what Jesus said. ( John 14:15). That's like slapping Jesus in the face. Romans 14:13. We are to not cause others to stumble.
Do you have a Bible verse to support that belief that blasphemy of the holy ghost can't be done by believers or Christians? I'm not aware of that being stated anywhere in the Bible, so unless I see that I will deem that untrue. By default, everything Jesus says is relevant and applicable to all.
Judas was a Christian in the literal sense and after he betrayed Christ he died a horrible death. I don't believe he went to heaven. Peter also denied Christ and I believe was blasphemous and likely sending him hell bound. But Jesus made a special exception as described in John 21:15-25 and asked him if he loved Him. John 14:15.
The Bible had disciples follow Him and listen to everything He said and He spoke to everyone.
Matthew 13:10-17 - says Jesus spoke in parables so those who believed would understand. He spoke many parables about the risk of going to hell with his followers (Christians). So, one might ask: if Jesus spoke in parables aimed at believers, and if he spoke them most often to his Christian followers, and if most parables are about most people going to hell and how to avoid that, then one might conclude that Christians weren't 'saved' yet and actually had to proactively avoid sin.
Does a Christian still have freewill to turn their back on Jesus and commit the unpardonable sin that Jesus warned Christians about? Of course.
Satan is the father of lies and he loves spreading falsehoods. Which is more likely that he's trying to deceive Christians into being more obedient than needed? Or that he's trying to deceive Christians into assuming they're already saved regardless of their actions, that they can commit unlimited sin, and enjoy sin, to live in the world, to love the world, and assume they have a get out of hell free card?
Satan is unlikely to do the former and very likely to do the latter. Many Christians would love to commit sin if they knew they were saved regardless. That would be exactly what satan wants. Mat 7:21
I will go ahead and reply to your specific questions again in hope that this could be a genuine question.
>If salvation can be lost, by what means?
Luke 12:10 says blasphemy of the holy ghost is unforgiveable. That means if someone chooses to commit this sin, Christian or not, they will not be forgiven and will go to hell.
Hebrews 10:26
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,". This means if a Christian continues in unrepentant sin they are in danger of having no grace to save them.
>Those scriptures you gave are misquoted.
No, they are not misquoted. When you hover over them they show the 100% correct scriptures. When I referred to them I highlighted the portion of scripture being referred to by using elipses... For proper context one should read the whole chapter and book.
>Here you have my salvation but you practiced free will and sinned so I retract your salvation.??? Really?
Is this an emotional argument being presented against the Bible? You will have to take that up with God. Luke 12:10 is clear and there's not much room to interpret it any other way. I'd be quite surprised if Christians who have denounced the faith, turned their back on God, who hate God and have chosen to commit unlimited sin, are welcomed to spent eternity with God in heaven. Likewise, what Jesus said in John 14:15 is clear. If someone doesn't obey, that means they don't love Jesus. Do you expect ho doesn't love Jesus go to heaven?
I've also heard an illogical argument claiming that real Christians can't or won't deny Jesus, as if they no longer have freewill. If this were true then there wouldn't be "ex-Christian" social media forums. Prominent Christian evangelists have denounced the faith before. Satan is real and can deceive Christians.
>Salvation at judgement?
Romans 14:12. 1 Peter 1:13, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Peter 2:9
Also blasphemy was mentioned as a warning for a reason. If someone claims Christians are without sin they are not being honest, Ecclesiastes 7:20. And someone claiming they can do whatever they want (sin) and face no consequences are gravely mistaken. John 14:15.
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Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
Romans 11
Matthew 12:31-32
Romans 14:12
Once we are saved; we were sealed by the holy Ghost and God promised a place in Heaven
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
This one verse Luke 12:10 says whomever commits this sin will not be forgiven. The idea of once saved, always saved contradicts itself, because it assumes a person who becomes a Christian no longer has freewill, which is untrue and inconsistent with the Bible. Even angels in heaven had freewill and chose to rebel, like satan. So, just because someone responds to an altar call and decides to follow Jesus doesn't mean he instantly is stripped of freewill. He absolutely still has a choice every day of who he wants to follow: Jesus, or the world (satan). Sadly, too many Christians have denounced their faith and have turned to follow the world. Becoming a Christian doesn't give anyone a license to commit unlimited sin and those who have spread this lie is doing the work of satan. There are many verses in the Bible supporting this and are posted often in the discussion threads.
Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
Romans 11
John 14:15
Thank you for your comments.
Can a person decide to keep only a portion of the laws of his city or country? Can a person keep only a portion of the terms of his rental lease or of his work contract? In like manner, can a person keep only a portion of the contract (Mosaic Law) made between God and Israel. There were over 600 laws given. The 10 commandments are only the first 10 of those 600+ laws.
Notice what Israel said when the Mosaic Law (or Covenant) was inaugurated by blood at Exodus 24:3-8:
Exodus 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people ALL the words of the LORD, and ALL the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, ALL THE WORDS which the LORD hath said will we do."
James 2:10-11 "For whosoever shall keep the WHOLE LAW, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of ALL."
If a person keeps the 4th commandment but not the other commandments of the Old Covenant, he is breaking the law. That is why the apostle Paul, under inspiration, said the law had to be changed.
Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW."
Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to VANISH AWAY."
Replaced by the New Covenant (or Testament) by Jesus' shed blood.
Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the NEW TESTAMENT in my blood, which is shed for you."
I gladly obey those commandments of Jesus Christ ( John 14:15), of the New Testament, which were communicated by inspiration and revelation to the Apostles - from Acts to Revelation. See 2 Corinthians 12:7 and 2 Timothy 3:16.
I kindly welcome your further comments.
I bid you a good day.
I am going to QUOTE YOU.
It's very simple, the 10 commandments.
Jesus said:
John 14:15
If you love me keep my commandments.
This is not supposed to be complicated.
Believe and trust in what Jesus says.
This is exactly what he told Israel. If they would have keep his commandments they would have remained in a right relationship with God. They would not have needed a NEW COVENANT. Since keeping God's commandments is so simple and easy; WHY NOT JUST DO IT and you will not need the NEW COVENANT; But, history proves this effort fails one hundred percent.
Ezekiel 36:25-27 .... I WILL CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES....
Believe and trust in what JESUS SAYS.
John 14:15 where Jesus says to obey His commandments, He didn't specify to only obey the 10 Commandments and He didn't say to only obey the greatest commandments. He didn't specify or narrow it down to which commandments, so by default, I believe it means all of them. I think this includes things spoken to us through the Holy Ghost, as it says in John 14:26...
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
James 2:10. We should strive to be obedient, while loving and forgiving ourselves too when we get off track. Ephesians 2:8.