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In this chapter, Jesus defines clearly his role, that he speaks only what God the Father spoke to him in the ear. God will reward those who both have and do his commandments. Jesus says the same in that those who do these sayings of his will inherit. That is when we understand completely what is said thru study and purposefully do his will in everyday life, those then will live eternally in the heavenly mansions. There will be no miraculous second coming al la Harold Camping but only a strict adherence to the word of God will transform these bodies full of iniquities to Pure bloodwashed Angels in heaven who will worship the Father in truth as He desires from us.

At the concern over gender issues of wisdom crying and putting forth "HER" voice is a pronoun of relativity. As the church is relative to Jesus -" The Bride of Christ " but to the world the church is very masculine See Eph. 6:10 tru 17. You don't get any more masculine than putting on the whole armour of God and wrestling against powers and rulers of darkness. No sane intelligent person would ascribe that to be feminine.
But to consider Chosen Vessels comment posted 8/04/2010; I am constrained to say iv'e never heard such gobbledy gook! Jesus refered to the Holy Ghost as He over and over again in John chs. 14 tru 16. I believe it would be wisdom to agree with Jesus on this one and pray that Chosen would be delivered from confusion. To ascribe God the Father as( sub atomic darkness ), is not only unscriptural, but ignorance at best and perverting the Word of truth at worst. James 1:17 states He is the Father of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. There is not even a shadow much less darkness with Father God. And John states in 1 John 1:5 that God is light, and in him is NO DARKNESS!! sub-atomic or otherwise. Prov. ch 8 & vs.7 wisdom cries out "For my mouth shall speak truth" Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the life." John 14:6 And no man cometh unto the Father but by me. We are not coming to (sub-atomic darkness) we are coming out of darkness into His wonderful light.A notable sign of wisdom is vs.7 "SPEAK TRUTH".

This is one of my favorite verses in the Bible. This is what it all comes down to. This verse strikes right at the heart of all other religions and proves them to be false.

ilove this book it great .

It's a great commission from God, as in vs. 19-20 telling us to be baptized in the name of the father, son and the Holy Ghost is all wonderful, but where alot of us get the wrong thought is not understanding what's the name? As in human nature we come to this world in the flesh born of a woman as a son or daughter but we do not name our children son or daughter do we? (No) we give them a name, so take a look at this scripture and search it out for the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. Read John 14:8-10 the differance is the flesh and spirit, God planted himself in a virgin woman name Mary to become flesh Read Hebrews 10:5, Luke 1:30-35 pay attention to the repeat of SON, God overshadowed her with his spirit so that he can come to the world to shed his blood for us, because no one else was worthy so he made himself a body using a woman never been touched by man physically and we know when Mary birth him his name was called JESUS! Read Hebrews 9:12-15 & 26. Father is spirit,Son is flesh and Holy Ghost is spirit that indwells us when we receive him in our temple. If you would like to here more and see more scriptures please feel free to ask and God Bless you all. God's word you have to search and find the mystery of him read 1 timothy 3:16 (Anita)

John 14 is the greatest promise of Jesus Christ of Nazareth to His followers. They would stay with Him in their heavenly mansions for all eternity without end. Only one thing can give any one entry into heaven. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." verse 6. There aren't many ways into heaven, there aren't many other saviors. The Bible says there's only one. Christ alone, through His death and resurrection, paid the price for our sins. And only through Him can we gain entry into the presence of the Father. Have you put your trust in Jesus? So, when Jesus comes again He will take you to be with Him evermore.

I think we all should trust in the Lord more, and not worry so much about what others do or say.
We have no control over that. Jesus wants us to trust in him, and he will see us thru no matter
what circumstance we are in. He wants us to
rejoice in him, and know that he has prepared a
place for us to go to in Heaven to be with him
as a beliver when we die, or we are caught up
in the rapture. We should trust him more.
We should never give up, even though the enemy, Satan, tries to destroy us everyway he can.

ydnick...im a baby in christ im going to explain it to you the way the spirit tells me...he that have seen me have seen the father...god the father needed someone without sin to bear all sins for mankind no one on earth was worthy enough so he been so great came into the world in the flesh as god the son witout sin he did not sin once growing up as a human being. knowing the pain he would feel on the cross as god the son he went to the garden to pray to god the father to let this cup pass from him even though he know why he came in the 1st place and that wasnt the only time he prayed to god the father he was setting an example for us to follow...you ask how can god be in heaven and on erath at the same time..im asking you how great is god? who made the heavens and the earth? right now he's with me do you think he's with you? if yes how did he do that cause he walks with me and talks to me each and every single day and im sure im not the only one that he has bless when does he get time to bless other people if he's with me day in and day out....that is to show you he can do things that looks impossible to us but with him all things are possible..be bless

how could god be on the earth and in heaven at the same time? who was Jesus praying to in the garden of gethsemane before the died? the verse is matthew 26:39. he said in that verse not my will but your will? who was he talking to himself? you need to learn grammer. Jesus did not pray to himself to ask for help. he prayed to god for help. he if he was god he never would have had to pray for help.why in john 14:28 did Jesus say the father is greater than i am if he is God? That would be like me saying my father is greater than i am but i am my father. who were the christians praying to if God was a man on earth. who were the christians worshiping in heaven if Jesus was on the earth? why would Jesus say to Worship God instead of saying worship me because I am god. get your grammer on.

I think we have a big commission to accomplish on earth as Jesus Christ has called us to declay his name to all who have not yet beleive and heard the message of our Lord Jesus Christ.The bible make it clare to us in the book of MATTHEW 28:19-20 SAYS, GO YE THERFORE AND TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST. 20. TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: AND LO, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD. AMEN. This let us know and to understand that there are many peoples who are perishing as Apostle Paul said in the book of 1CORINTIANS 1:18 FOR THE PREACHING OF THE CROSS IS TO THEM THAT PERISH, FOOLISHNESS; BUT UNTO US WHICH ARE SAVED IS THE POWER OF GOD. We have a message to declare to the world and that message is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He (Jesus Christ) is the way the truth and the life: no man come unto the father (God) but by me. John 14:6. This is our goal towards the world.God bless us all as we accomplish the goal in Jesus name. AMEN....

GREAT WORD AF GOD. BUT THIS KIND OF ENGLISH IS VERY STRANGE. WE HAVE MODERN READABLE AND ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS. AFTER ALL WE CAN COMPARE SOME VERSIONS FOR DEEPER BIBLE STUDY. GOD BLESS US

V.3. "Where I am"! (present tense?) Was Jesus in the (4th dimension) realm of heaven, while he was walking and talking with humanity? There are many indications that He was. He was about to leave his disciples to prepare a place "mansions", rather (Abodes or dwelling places) so that his body (the church) could dwell where He was dwelling in the spirit while He spoke. That being now done (Christ in you the hope of glory Col. 1:27) we are now seated (With authority) in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.( Eph. 2:6). Let us actively clothe ourselves with his provisions so that Jesus will recieve the reward of his sufferings and that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

V.13. Heaven; (heaved up place). Possibly; (The higher spirit world). In Eph. 6:12, the powers of evil are said to be in high (heavenly) places. This is from the same Gr. word as in Eph.1:20, where Jesus is now set (seated in a position of supreme authority).
While Jesus was on earth, He was apparently also quite in touch with this spirit world, so He could rightly say "The Son of man, who is in heaven, as in a fourth dimension. In John 14:2-3, He says, "that where I am" (present tense), referring to his Father's house, there you may be also. Now catch this; In Eph.2:6, Paul says,"God has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus". It sounds like we are not only citizens of this 4th dimension heaven but in a position of authority as ambassadors for Christ, while being in Him. This is too wonderful for me to write about, and I plead for correction if needed. Jesus is Lord!

I really love this chapter of The trial before Felix. The Jews from the province of Asia had accusation on Paul, and had plot to kill him for his believe. They lie on him and said that he had stirr up riots and was a ringleader,and a troublemaker.Paul told Felix,governor,and the commander that he was just doing his father business,that there was not no crowd around him to be stirr for a riot,but he testify about the goodness of JESUS, Felix saw what was in Paul and wanted to use that for his own benefits by keeping him lock up in prison to find him a bribe.That makes me think of when GOD use you to do the work of GOD,people look at it as what can I get out of that person. So they will call you when they sick,need money,food,job problems,and etc.for prayer like GOD only save certain people.( John 14:6)I am the way,the truth,and the life,no man cometh unto the father,but by me.(Matt20:16)Many are call,but few few are choosen(Rom10:13)For whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved.So it is for all to recieve the HOLY SPIRIT and be save.Now this is the day of salvation; tommrrow may be to late.

V.6. Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth, and the Life. The Bible way for us to enter this way is by believing in Him. This believing is obviously more than just mental assent to a historical fact, but rather trusting/relying on the promises relating to Jesus. Jesus was a Jew and the beginning of his Church were all Jews, and yes, there are many believing Messianic Jews today. Sad to say, a religiously defensive segment of the Jewish system still has not yet been able see Him (see 2 Cor.3:13-14). Lets pray for them.

@Ben weaver thanks 4 the reply. Starting to make sense of it now.
But I’m still a bit iffy on people going to heaven simply because of believing in Jesus.
As there are some Jews who do believe in him too. So just to make sure you think they would go to heaven too?

V.6-reply to Jeff. Thanks for asking, and my apology for being so brief. Maybe, "disassociated" was not the best word. Romans 5:12-19 explains it well with "sin", "death", and "condemnation" which passed from Adam to all mankind. About our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit; I think refers to only people who have Jesus, since 1 Corinthians is written to such (please see Chapter 1:2). Why! descending through the father and not the mother? I don't know, but the Bible uses men's names in geneologies and even today, most people inherit the father's last name. Could it be that the egg has no life till it is fertilized by a male? The Bible says Eve is the mother of all living and she disobeyed God first, but Adam is blamed for passing the sin curse on to all men. And Yes! this new life in Jesus is for whoever believes in Him ( Jn. 3:16) regardless of background heritage. There are many reasons why a believer should go public. It honors Jesus, it releases God to work in our lives, and opens the door for others to receive that new life too.

@Ben weaver, how did we dissociate ourselves from god?
And why would we need a new connection by a human being who is conceived by God's Spirit?
Are we not conceived by the holy spirit? E.g Corinthians 6:19 “know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost”
Your other comment “rather than a human father that is not associated with God” does that mean a father inputs more to the offspring than a mother (who holds the child for 8-9 months)?
Also would you clarify your last statement “Therefore, no one but Jesus qualifies and no religion can attain to that life without Jesus” I will presume that “attain to that life” means heaven; but does that mean Mormons, Muslims and etc. will be able to enter heaven because they believe in Jesus?

V. 6. A few thoughts on the logic of such a radical statement. Hundreds of prophetic predictions, over thousands of years have been satisfied by only one person. Also, it is obvious that all humanity (including Christians) has inadequacies. According to the most trusted book, this is because Adam and Eve disassociated themselves, and thus all their descendants, from God. Now, humanity needs a new connection by a human being who is conceived by God's Spirit, rather than a human father that is not asociated with God. God's way with the Virgin Mary is the only way I can think of that a human could possibly be the WAY, the TRUTH (reliable plan) and LIFE source for believing humanity. Therefore, no one but Jesus qualifies and no religion can attain to that life without Jesus.

Jesus is saying there are only to roads available to us; the road to destruction and the road to heaven. Following Jesus is the way to heaven. He speaks the truth as opposed the devil who is deceptive. Jesus is life and gives life, not just here on earth but life after. No man comes to the father but by men means if you cannot accept Jesus for who he is you cannot receive God. You MUST go through Jesus to get to God!

Ahmed or Muhammad meaning the one who praises or the praised one is almost the translation
of the rnGreek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word Comforter
is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind
friend rather than a comforter. rnParacletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh)
actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh)
who is a mercy for all creatures.rnSome Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these
prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that
only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that thernHoly Spirit
was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth,
and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Ahmed or Muhammad meaning the one who praises or the praised one is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Let us not forget that Chapter 11 of Leviticus as well as Deuteronomy 14 are the food laws that we are to keep forever and they are not just ceremonial laws as Doug suggests. Yahweh is the same today and forever, He changes not; see Malachi 3:6, nor does Yahshua change either, see Hebrews 13:8 and 9. Sin is the transgression of the law period; see I John 3:4. Take note of I Timothy 4:3 "to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. His Word is the Truth, so let's obey Him and not eat any abominable thing such as pork, etc. See Deuteronomy 14:3; Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. And finally see John 14:15; If you love me keep my commandments. Enough said!

Dear Linda, I wanted to respond also to the part of your letter about God's Word saying that no man has seen God at anytime. I found the scripture, and some more that relate to it. No man can see God, but mankind, to whomever He will reveal Himself, can see His Christ; His Image; His only begotten Son, which is also His Word; words, and is the Sword of His Spirit, and we can see God, the Father IN the Face of God's Word; God's only begotten Son; Christ Jesus. The reason Christ is the ONLY begotten of God; the Father, is because Christ was always with God, always existed, was always part of that which is God, and literally CAME FORTH from God. All mankind that receives Christ is born of; begotten of, God BY Christ; BY God's Word, and by His Spirit, thus the Spirit of God's Word. For, the WORDS of Christ are spirit and life.
It is IN the Face; the WORDS, of Christ, that we see; perceive, and come to know, the Father. As, Christ Jesus is the EXPRESS Image of God, the Father. As, Christ was/is the very HEART of God, the Father, expressed unto us. Christ IS the Word, and thus the WORDS of the Father, speaking unto us. As it is written:

I John 3:I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

When Christ Jesus says 'My words,' they are not His as far as where; Who, they came from. The words of God's Word; Christ, are the words of His Father, just as Christ; God's Word, is God's; the Father's.

There are so many beautiful and deep things touched upon in the prayer that Jesus Christ prayed to His Father in John, chapter 17. One thing is that He says, in so many words, 'Father, you gave mankind ME, and I gave them your WORDS.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou GAVEST THEM ME; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have GIVEN unto them THE WORDS which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is NOT MINE, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

18 NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD at any time; the only begotten Son, which is IN THE BOSOM bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED him.

John 6:63 (Jesus said...)63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God IN THE FACE of Jesus Christ.

Psalms 27:8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.

Psalms 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with THY LIKENESS.
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I John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when HE shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM; for we shall see him as he is.
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Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being THE BRIGHTNESS his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Joe: If you have read the Bible you surely would have picked the condradiction's up. However if you haven't then I will enlighten you. Let me just say that the references that I'm about to quote may not be in your Bible as there are many Bibles available on the market that are used by different Christian sects each claiming that their Bible is translated as the word of God.The references I will quote comes from the Tyndale Bible.
Jeremiah 8:8
"How can you say we are wise because we have the the word of the Lord, when your teaches have twisted it by writing Lies"
The Condradiction's In the Bible start from;
In 2 Samuels 8:4 it reads
"David captured 1700 charioteers and 20,000 foot solders, he crippled all the chariots except enough for 100 chariots".
Now read
1 Chronicles 18:4
"David captured 1000 chariots, 7000 charioteers and 20,000 foot solders. He crippled all the chariots horses except for 100 chariots".
Other examples are;
2 Samuels 8:9-10
1 Chronicles 18:9-10

2 Kings 8:26
2 Chronicles 22:2

2 Samuels 6:23
2 Samuels 21:8

Genisis 6:3
Genisis 9:29

John 5:37
John 14:9

John 5:31
John 8:14
You see Jo All doctrines of modern Christianity are made by man. They are definitely not quotes from the bible For example;
The Trinity, Divine Son ship Of Jesus Christ, Original sin and atonement.
Jesus as he says in
John 8:28 "I do nothing of myself"
John 14:28 "My father is greater than I"
Mark 12:29 "The Lord is ONE lord"
Mark 13:32 "No one knows the day or hour when these things will happen not even the angles in heaven or the SON himself, ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS"
The word Trinity is not Biblical nor is it used in any Bibles or Bible dictionaries. Trinity was never specifically mentioned by Jesus. The formation of the word "Trinity"was presented by Athenasius, an Egyptian Deacon from Alexandria and was accepted by the council of Nicea more than three centuries after Jesus had departed from this earth.
Other such "Man made" decisions of the council contributed to the declaration of the Roman Sunday as the Christian Sabbath, and the establishment of December 25th as Jesus birthday. This was done in order to have a celebration that occurred on the same day as the birthday of the pagan gods such as Nimrod (Babylon god) Krishna, (Hindus god), Mithra (Greek god) and Dionysius (Bacchus of greece)who is named the only begotten son of Jupiter and was born of the virgin mother Demeter, on the 25th of December. As you can see the celebration of the birth of Jesus is clearly an idea of pagan decent. As clear as we can read in black and white the Bible forbids even the decoration of christmas trees;
Jeremiah 10:3-4 "Their ways are fertile and foolish. They cut down a tree and a craftsman carves an idol". "They decorate it with gold and silver and than fasten it securely with hammer and nails so it won't fall over".
The conclusions to my recent research on religion is that we so called true Christians are not even close to abiding by Gods laws, far from it. We are such Hippocrates.
I hope this helps Jo, May God give you blessings

"If you seek God, my best advice is to move away from the bronze age and look more closely at the things that make us a unique species and leave behind you the fear and guilt of man made, self serving religion." This has been made almost impossible to do by the scientific community b/c people who believe the Bible will want to find a way to relate science to God and in the religion of Science, there is no God. Science is god. According to secular scientists, the two are mutually exclusive. That is why there are so many atheists in modern science (look at Richard Dawkins for example). How can you "find God" through modern science if it specifically excludes God?

Also, there are REAL scientists out there searching for Biblical truth and how it relates to science. Unfortunately they are usually ostracized by the secular scientific community or branded as quacks, and phonies. The scientific community refuses to see the possibilities of their dating techniques, etc. simply because they do not agree with what they've decided is consensus. This is bad scientific practice.

Scientists are supposed to be open to new science, even if it contradicts current thinking. Most often it is how revolutions and new discoveries are made in scientific theory. Modern secular scientists are closed-off to any science that disagrees with their theories. It is either ignored or summarily dismissed. In their view, theories are to be tested, but if the science fails the prevailing theory, don't keep searching, throw it out. That is the opposite of the OBJECTIVE of scientific theory. How ironic.

Religious institutions and "tradition" ARE EXACTLY man-made self serving religion. I agree with you. They are the creation of humans, not God, and therefore they are fallible, and many times (most times) get things wrong. Jesus wouldn't (and doesn't) agree with that. He wouldn't stand for religious holy wars, and persecution of people of other religions. Jesus came in love to humanity and preached love. Love your neighbor (fellow humans) as yourself. Turn the other cheek. This was very different than the Old Testament "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" way of doing things, and animal sacrifices to make us clean before God.

Jesus revolutionized our relationship with God as humans, but religious institutions and traditions, specifically Catholic teachings, cover that up, and even deny the personal nature of God's relationship with humans. They declare you can't access God without their priests', Virgin Mary's, and saints' intermediation, etc. But Jesus declared HE was the intermediator for us and God. He said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father, but through ME." John 14:6

Christianity before it was politicized and institutionalized by Constantine and the Roman empire, was very different. The first generations of Christians showed Jesus' spirit of humility, meekness, and LOVE for their enemies by allowing themselves to be sacrificed by the thousands before Roman mobs and in other places throughout the known world. They also showed an unwavering and courageous loyalty to Christ; enough to allow their physical bodies to be martyred simply because they believed in Him. Not for glory, but b/c they were CHANGED by Christ being in their lives and new a better life awaited them.

If you don't believe in man-made religious institutions, then I challenge you to find the REAL Christianity, one created by Christ himself and his example. If you are openminded and seeking Truth, you will find it. Don't close yourself off to the Truth, or even the possibility of the Truth because of the failures of humans and the institutions they have created (guided perhaps unknowingly, though sometimes on purpose, by Satan). It takes a much bigger person, and more personal spiritual searching, to find the truth of Jesus and how it applies us personally, than to dismiss it off-hand b/c other people have failed. Find answers for YOURSELF. Don't believe those institutions. Humans may fail you, but God will never fail you.

In the end an excuse of choosing not to believe at ALL b/c some versions of Christianity were perverted by men (or even b/c you were misled by those men!) will not hold water. You must take responsibility for yourself. Life in Christ is a personal spiritual journey each person must make for themselves. I can not make it for my husband, my children, my sister, my neighbor, my parishioner, my father, my mother-in-law etc. Whatever the case, each person must decide for his or herself, where they stand with God. In the end it will be YOU in front of God as Judge, and you will only be able to answer for yourself. There will be no excuses.

Do not rejoice in it, but know that those who mislead others spiritually, and those who are themselves misled will not be accepted by God. Everything I have been writing about being misled by man-made religions is perfectly summed up by Matthew 7:15-23. "15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

My view:The Father,Son/word,and the Holy Spirit is one.Just like human,we are not complete without the body,the blood & water,and the spirit that made man a living soul.however as the three that form man is inseparable,so Jesus is the Father,is the Son and is the Holy Spirit.No one directly meet with the father without the son. John 14:6-7.I also support the coment of Goeffery Mogere

(nobodies comment) VERSES 36-37 in MATTHEW tells you the anwer to that question.36- But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my FATHER only. 35-But as the days of Noe (Noah) were so shall also the coming of the SON of man be.
Stephen-Noah, his wife, shi sons and his son's family were brought to safty in the ark. When JESJS comes back to meet HIS children in the air, they ( HIS children) will be "caught up" reptured (brought to saftey) just like Noah was in the ark.A PLACE OF SAFTY during and after the flood and did not leave the ark until it was safe.HEBREW 11:7. Other verses on CHRIST'S coming ACTS 1;11 10-11, MATTHEW 23:39 24:30 25:31 /MARK: 14:62/ LUKE 17:24/ JOHN 14:13/PHILIPIANS 3:20-21/ 1 THESSALONIANS 4:17-18. READ TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED

Felis, A lot of words we use in this Millennium are not written in the Bible, your right, but the word 'Trinity' still originated from Athenasius, which in the days of his order had to be approved by the council of Nicea, hence the word 'Trinity' was born. If you look at
Jeremiah 8:8’
Jeremiah says"How can you say we are wise because we have the word of the Lord, when your teaches have twisted it by writing lies."
As you say the word 'Trinity' is used to describe 'The Father, the Son and the holy Spirit' It is also described in
1 John 5:7 as
"So we have these three witnesses"* The spirit, the water and the blood, and all three agree’.
I do know the verse you quoted
Matt 28:18
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth".
He is speaking of two, there is no mention of 3.
The path of Jesus was miraculous and he did some wonderful miracles, this we can not deny.
But Jesus himself said;
Mathew 15:8-9
“ But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandment of men.”
John 5:37
‘And the father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face’.
John 8:28
‘I do nothing of myself’.
John 14:28
‘My Father is greater than I’.
Mark 12:29
‘The Lord God is one Lord’.
In summary;
Its in my hands to know the truth of our religion. So I will continue to research for the truth

2:9 he that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother is in darkness even until now 1:5 God is light and in him is no darkness at all 3:24 and he that keepeth his commandment God dwelleth in him and he in God 3:24 and this is his commandment that we should believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ AND love one another as he gave commandment 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God dwelleth in him and he in God ......Jesus is the only beggoten Son of God but it also says that now are we the sons of god Jesus is also your brother the commandments of 3:23 as the Word of God he gives you the Fathers commandment to believe that he is his son As the son of God he gives you his commandment to love one another John 13:34 there is only one way to love your brother Jesus by keeping his commandments 3:23 John 14:21 He that hath my commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me and he that loveth me shall be loved of my father then it says he that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings his commandments the law of moses the things i know about the law the law is not of faith whatsoever is not of faith is sin without faith its immposible to please god the law is of works for by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of god not of works now to him that worketh is the reward not recond of grace but of debt but to him that worketh not but believeth on him who justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness the law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ but after we have come to Christ there is no more need for the law the schoolmaster the law strengthens sin to show sin working in us and to show our need for a savior the law is not of faith but of works whatsoever is not of faith is sin