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Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in a clear day.
Matthew 27:45 And from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned in darkness, and the MOON into blood, BEFORE the terrible DAY OF THE LORD come.
Psalm 89:36 It (his seed, Christ) shall be established for ever as the MOON, and as a faithful witness in heaven.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is my FAITHFUL WITNESS......
John 19:34 .....and forthwith came there out blood and water.....
Zachariah 14:7 IT SHALL BE ONE DAY which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass at evening time it shall be light.
It still isn't light and 2000 years has already passed.
The Spirits grace continue upon you.
John 6:63 ....... the words that I ( 1 Peter 1:11,the Spirit of Christ or 1 Peter 1:21,the Holy Ghost or 2 Samuel 23:1-2, the Spirit of the Lord or Revelation 19:10,the words of Jesus) speak unto you, they (words) are spirit, and they (words) are life.
The day of the Lord is prophecy about a spiritual day; but, a day in spiritual time is not necessarily a day in natural time ( 2 Peter 3:8).
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterwards (after the day of the Lord), that I (Spirit) will will pour my spirit upon all flesh......
Since the Spirit (Holy Ghost) was poured out on all mankind at pentecost; therefore, the day of the Lord begin at pentecost and is continuing to this day 2000 years later in natural time; but, only one day in spiritual time.
Second witness:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon (symbolic of Christ)..... Psalm 89:35-36 And it (the throne of Christ, from the proceeding verse) shall be established forever as the moon, and as a FAITHFUL WITNESS in heaven...... Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the FAITHFUL WITNESS.......into blood before the terrible (wonderful) day of the Lord (pentecost) come.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he (the Lamb) had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth hair, and the moon (symbolic of Christ) became as blood.....
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Matthew 27:51 ........and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.
John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there blood and water.
Revelation 8:1 And when he (the Lamb) had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half hour (spiritual time not natural time)
This time was the time between Christ resurrection and the day of the Lord (pentecost)
Daniel 12:11-12 45 days between vs 11 and 12
At this comment, Nicodemus must have thought ('marvelled'): "this is something new I've never heard of before". Or more likely, he believed that he had one up on Jesus, that He speaks with forked tongue when saying that a re-birth (or, a second chance) must be given to a person to come out for another try to be righteous enough to enter God's Kingdom. So Jesus went on to explain that was not the meaning, but that just as in a physical birth (by water), so there must be a spiritual birth (a rebirth by God's Spirit) to enter God's Presence. In the flesh, we are sinners destined for punishment, as those devoid of God & spurning His Love for us. But when we repent from our sins & turn to God by faith in Jesus' Work at Calvary, then a spiritual re-birth takes place, whereby our human spirit is renewed & refreshed by God's Spirit.
Of course, the story in John 3 was pre-Cross, but the Truth was laid out before Nicodemus, & we can only wonder how those words he heard from Jesus would have affected his heart at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. We know that in John 19:39, Nicodemus voluntarily spent much money to purchase the necessary embalming ingredients for Jesus' Body, which might indicate something of a spiritual work in him earlier on & culminating at the Cross.
Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday or Friday?
Was Jesus risen in the 1st day of the week or on the Sabbath?
Hi again Claire. Thank you for reading that lengthy sermon - it was heavy going. I had to re-read it quickly to find the portion I think you're referring to. The part that seemed significant is:
"God cannot write his law in our inward parts till with water and with blood he has purged us. Tables on which the Lord shall write must be clean, therefore the heart on which God is to engrave his law must be a cleansed heart; and it is a great joy to perceive that from the person of our Lord heart-cleansing blood and water flowed, so that the provision is equal to the necessity. Blessed be the name of our gracious God, he knows how to erase the evil and to cleanse the soul through his Holy Spirit's applying the work of Jesus to us."
If this is the portion, then I don't believe Spurgeon is referring to water baptism or the requirement to be baptised first & then born again - that would be totally erroneous. His mentioning "water & blood" is his direct reference to 1 John 5:6, 7: "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
There have been several interpretations of this "by water & blood". I feel it indicates Jesus' physical birth (water) & He speaks of this in John 3:5 & then the "blood": of His Sacrifice. Or, Spurgeon could even be recalling the water & blood that issued out of the Lord whilst on the Cross ( John 19:34). We're unclear but it wasn't anything to do with water baptism which can only be taken after first being born again by faith in Jesus's Sacrifice & the indwelling & renewal of the Holy Spirit.
The bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath the Jews asked Pilate that the legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. The soldiers came and broke the legs of the 1st and 3rd prisoners. Jesus was already dead, they did not break his legs. But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, there came out blood and water." Why did blood and water come out of Jesus' side??
Crucifixion typically resulted in death through one of two ways: The first was HYPOVOLEMIC shock. The prolonged rapid heartbeat resulting from hypovolemic shock can cause fluid to gather in the area around the heart. This is called pericardial effusion.
The second way death occurred during crucifixion was due to asphyxiation. The person is unable to breathe in enough oxygen to survive. Crucifixion victims had to pull their weight up with their hands or wrists that were nailed; along with pushing up with the feet or ankles that had another nail through them. Over time, the ability to push up to breathe would end and oxygen flow would be restricted. *This asphyxiation can also result in the buildup of fluid around the heart.
In either case, the account of John is quite accurate. The Romans saw that the other two crucifixion victims were still alive and broke their legs so they would no longer be able to push themselves up to breathe, resulting in death within minutes. Jesus, they saw He had become unconscious and likely was already dead. To confirm, a spear was shoved into His side, likely under His ribs, that ruptured the PERICARDIAL sack, resulting in a flow of both blood and water.
This manner of death was a brutal end for Jesus, there was also prophetic significance to this event. John states in John 19:36-37, "For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: 'Not one of his bones will be broken. And again another Scripture says, They will look on him whom they have pierced.
Prophesies: Exodus 12:46. Zechariah 12:10.
Our Lord said Son , behold thy mother. Mother behold thy son.
As the male benefactor , Our Lord honoured His mother by leaving her with another male benefactor, for He knew He was to be crucified.
If He did not do this, He would have broken the law
He is white as snow , pure and undefiled , above all things
our Lord said, Those that do the will of my Father, they are my brothers
Exodus 12:1-17
Mathew 26:2
Mark 14:1
Luke 22:1
Hope that helps.
Good Friday Jesus died for us and Easter Sunday he arose... right????
or is this wrong.
Sabbaths is on Saturday... ?
Crucifixion typically resulted in death through one of two ways: The first was HYPOVOLEMIC shock. The prolonged rapid heartbeat resulting from hypovolemic shock can cause fluid to gather in the area around the heart. This is called pericardial effusion.
The second way death occurred during crucifixion was due to asphyxiation. The person is unable to breathe in enough oxygen to survive. Crucifixion victims had to pull their weight up with their hands or wrists that were nailed; along with pushing up with the feet or ankles that had another nail through them. Over time, the ability to push up to breathe would end and oxygen flow would be restricted. *This asphyxiation can also result in the buildup of fluid around the heart.
In either case, the account of John is quite accurate. The Romans saw that the other two crucifixion victims were still alive and broke their legs so they would no longer be able to push themselves up to breathe, resulting in death within minutes. Jesus, they saw He had become unconscious and likely was already dead. To confirm, a spear was shoved into His side, likely under His ribs, that ruptured the PERICARDIAL sack, resulting in a flow of both blood and water.
This manner of death was a brutal end for Jesus, there was also prophetic significance to this event. John states in John 19:36-37, "For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: 'Not one of his bones will be broken. And again another Scripture says, They will look on him whom they have pierced.
Prophesies: Exodus 12:46. Zechariah 12:10.
Mishael
All the Old Testament prophets received Rhema from God which made a way for them in the spiritual wilderness. Elijah received a Rhema word from God which not only fed him in famine but saved the life of the widow and her son; gave them a continual supply of food when all around them was in draught.
His word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones Jeremiah 20:9
Rhema cries out to you, loud and clear.
When you are reading your Bible, a scripture jumps out of the page to speak to you, or a verse highlighted by the Holy Spirit to enlighten and direct your path. Whatever God tells you to do, He will equip you to do it; wherever God tells you to go, He will prepare for you the way to get there.
The fellowship with God in His Word is vital. The fire, the fervency, the calling comes when you fellowship with God in His Word. For you are face to face with Jesus!
Revelation of John 19:13: and his name is called The Word of God.
The Word imparts vision to you. You become a fired up, proactive, purposeful, God-sent person. Gone are the days of laziness, inactivity and boredom. Your life is no longer "a waste of time"! You become focused, organized and purposeful.
A lot of people out there find life so boring that they have to resort to drugs, alcohol, loud music etc to give them a high; but then when the illusion is gone, they are left worse than before. A person who suffers from depression swings between highs and lows. why? It's because they are not living a "real life", the God given life in Christ Jesus!
There is life in the Word, it is the life of God, the God kind of life.
Mishael
Matthew 27:32, And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
Mark 15:21 And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
Luke 23:26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.
John 19: 16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
17 And he (Simon of Cyrene 3 witnesses tell us) bearing *HIS* cross went forth unto a place called the place of a skull. Much misleading Art, some showing a scarcely scratched, loin clothed *JESUS*, and false teachers who break Bible principles: No single verse is of private interpretation.
Leaving us, who all were Lambs once, with deceptive images, and at times, false witness to pass on which is nigh Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or MAKETH A LIE: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and MAKETH A LIE.
Cursed is the man who trusteth in man: Be a Berean and trust in the WORD, Zeph 2:3.Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.
Ephesians 4:15 but speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, CHRIST.16 from whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. GBU
Wesley refers to the day Christ died as the day of Passover.
The day of the "Last Supper" was not the day of Passover, but the day BEFORE Passover, also called the "Preparation Day"
John 19:14
"And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"
To understand the timeline, it must be understood that a Hebrew day begins at SUNSET.
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The Hebrew calendar used at the time of Jesus counted a full day from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.
The Hebrew 24 hour period of time is broken up into two 12 hour segments. The first segment is from 6 pm until 6 am. The second segment is from 6 am until 6 pm.
6pm - 6am = 1st set of 12 hours- "third hour of the night" Acts 23:23 (9 pm)
6am - 6pm = 2nd set of 12 hours- "third hour of the day" Acts 2:15 (9 am)
The "third hour" of the day in Mark 15:25 when Christ was crucified is 9 am
The "ninth hour" when He gave up the ghost is 3 pm.
Look at Sixth hour, Ninth hour, eleventh hour, Matthew 20:5
Right on! Just as Johah said; "Three days AND three nights" Jonah 1:17.
Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.
Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)
Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.
Look at Matthew 12:40.
Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.
The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.
The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.
Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.
The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.
Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.
The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.
The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.
Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.
Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)
Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.
Look at Matthew 12:40.
Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.
The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.
The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.
Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.
The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.
Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.
The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.
The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.
The Hebrew calendar used at the time of Jesus counted a full day from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.
The Hebrew 24 hour period of time is broken up into two 12 hour segments. The first segment is from 6 pm until 6 am. The second segment is from 6 am until 6 pm.
The "third hour" of the day in Mark 15:25 when Christ was crucified is 9 am
The "ninth hour" when He gave up the ghost is 3 pm.
In their Doctrines and Covenants of the Mormon faith they teach that Jesus is the brother of Satan.
Do you understand that means your savior is the brother of Satan.
The Bible teaches Jesus created all things, including Satan in
John 1:3 All things were made by (Jesus) him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Mormonism is a denial of the King James Bible since Jesus said:
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is FINISHED finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Mormonism is another testament, another gospel so basically this means it was not finished as the work of Christ.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Ask yourself if this means Mormonism is cursed?
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel (MORONi) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Do you really want to trust an angel named MORONi
Do we really believe that Christianity was lost till Joseph Smith found some golden plates that no one knows where they are and an angel named MORONi visited him?
Are you prepared to tell Jesus your savior that he is the brother of Satan?
That is what Mormonism teaches. That the King James is full of errors and that they have another gospel.
Please consider this carefully.
Funny how the archaeologists of the USA can not find any traces of the Nephites or Lamenites civilizations Smith wrote about.
You are correct. The entire scene at the Cross is amazing.
I could not find the Scripture in Job that you were referencing, but dust is mentioned numerous times concerning the product of physical death.
I am under the impression that what Jesus was doing when he stated "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me" was that He was TEACHING to all that could hear.
If you want to know what Jesus said to them, read ALL of Psalms 22; spoken 1000 years before the Cross. Now THAT is AWESOME!
When Jesus addressed His heavenly Father He would always use the word "Father."
The OT phrase "that He hath done this" from Psalms 22:31 is equivalent to the NT phrase "it is finished" ( John 19:30).
That is what the Jews write in their commentaries about Jesus and how evil he was for condemning their religious practices.
Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians 2:14 thru 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their OWN PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
I suppose Paul is an evil antisemite also along with Jesus
John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release (Jesus) him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
Rome did not conspire to kill Jesus, guess who did?
I am still not satisfied with the answers given for Jesus' lineage. It is critical that Jesus be a descendant of David to fulfill the prophesy that David's son will be the ruler of the kingdom. If we use the lineage given in Matthew it connects David by blood down to Joseph which has nothing to do with Jesus' bloodline. At best Joseph is Jesus' step father, a non-blood. There is no mention that Joseph legally adopted Jesus as his son. Jesus has no blood relation or legal relation (recorded) to Joseph. And, after the story of Jesus disappearing for 3-4 days at the age of 12, after the festival of Passover in Jerusalem, Joseph is never mentioned again. He is a truly insignificant figure in Jesus' life. Whereas, his mother Mary is mentioned a number of times even at his crucifixion in John 19:26. Unfortunately, the lineage in Luke is "assumed" to be that of Mary's but not stated. For Jesus to be a blood relative of David it is important to know not assume this to be the case. In the past years, this has not been important but has become so since this is a key prophecy and fulfillment of God's covenant. The best I can come to is Jesus was a man/God and was a Spiritual son/Lord of David and of God, the Almighty.
Respectfully,
Alex
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. ---- NOTHING CAN BE ADDED
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Well if the Bible is right and others teach things that is against what is in the Bible, I am happy to correct them.
How about the lie that Rome killed Jesus? Pilate tried to release Jesus. Yet the lie continues.
John 19:12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release (Jesus) him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
That is of course if we believe the Bible. I am no fan of the Vatican, but I shall not blame the Vatican for something she did not do.
Truth is not antisemitic. While everyone is looking at Rome, the man of sin aka son of perdition shall rule from Jerusalem.
Judaism is antichrist and a heresy that denies the virgin birth, the atonement and resurrection of Jesus.
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)
1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?
Those "Messianic Jews" who use Yeshua are also denying the name of Jesus given to Mary by Gabriel in the Greek New Testament, basically denying my King James Bible.
I find it offensive that a certain group claims Mary got pregnant having relations with Pantera, a roman soldier who paid her in silver coins. Maybe we should be happy to be corrected with the Bible?
The Jews are gathered in Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Passover. Jesus was crucified on Friday.
There are 12 hours in a day.
John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?"
If there is midday
Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me."
and midnight,
Exodus 11:4 "And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt."
then we can say that the day starts at 6am, and the night - at 6pm. That shows that 3rd hour falls at 9am and 9th hour (when Jesus died on the cross) falls at 3pm. (New translation translate just like that).
Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified Him."
Matt. 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?"
Bible mentions unusual darkness between 6th hour (12pm) until 9th hour (3pm). The darkness can't be seen if it's dark already...
Matt. 27:45 "Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour."
If there was Wednesday and Thursday, then I believe the Bible would have mentioned days instead of just hours.
The Scriptures - not tradition - puts Jesus crucified on Friday.
Jesus represented a sacrificial lamb in the 1st Jewish Feast, Passover. The timing was as predicted in the Bible. Jesus knew that His time has come.
Ex. 12:6 "And ye shall keep it [lamb] up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening."
John 13:1 "Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end."
1 Cor. 5:7 "For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."
3 John is written to Gaius, the same Gaius that Paul baptized and traveled with ( 1 Cor 1:14), and also mentions Demetrius, the same Demetrius, the silversmith that Paul dealt with in Ephesus. ( Acts 19:24)
Whoever wrote 3 John knew Gaius and Demetrius personally, he saw them face to face!
Remember that John Mark traveled with Paul throughout Asia, and in 2 Tim 4:11 Paul tells Timothy to take Mark and bring him with thee for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
It makes sense that John Mark would write The Revelation to the 7 churches of Asia that John Mark visited, not the Apostle John who never left Israel.
You have to understand what was going on in those days.
James, Cephas and John and the rest of the apostles knew their ministry was to Israel (circumcision), and Paul knew his ministry was to the Gentiles (uncircumcision) Gal 2:9. They even shook hands on it!
No where in the Word of God does it say that the 12 apostles left Israel.
The "disciple" whom Jesus loved followed Jesus, was at the last Passover at the head of the table next to Jesus, went with Jesus into the high priest's house because he was akin, was at the cross, became the son of Mary, was at the tomb, had a home in Jerusalem where the apostles stayed, knew Peter intimately, knew Paul, Barnabus, Timothy, Gaius, Demetrius and many more in Asia.
I think the right choice for the writer of John, 123 John and The Revelation has to be John Mark.
We can' go by church "tradition" to figure these things out. The Word of God tells us who these people are.
All the references to "the disciple whom Jesus loved" are in the book of John. While the Gospel of John does not specifically identify its author, and "the disciple whom Jesus loved" is nowhere explicitly named in Scripture, early Christians universally recognized John, the apostle, as the author of the Gospel and "the disciple whom Jesus loved." This is consistent with internal evidence in the Gospel of John
John and brother, James were called to be disciples of Christ while they were fishing with their father, Zebedee. They immediately left to become members of Jesus' original group of the twelve.
James, John, and Peter seemed to be the most intimate of Jesus' apostles accompanying Jesus on special occasions. Matthew 17:1 says, ... and led them up a high mountain by themselves. Because of their favored relationship with Jesus, James and John sought special position in what they erroneously assumed to be Jesus earthly kingdom in Mark 10:37-38: "They replied, 'Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.'
James eventually died as a martyr for Christ and John died a natural death after living in exile on the Isle of Patmos.
One of the most reflective statements of the closeness between Jesus and John was in the last moments of Jesus' life when Jesus asked Jesus asked John to care for his mother after His death. John 19:26-27
John, as an apostle of Jesus, not only wrote his eye-witness account of experiences with Christ which were recorded in his gospel, but also wrote the books of 1 John, 2 John, 3 John and the book of Revelation.
In Gen 18:14, Abraham is asked, "Is anything too difficult for the LORD? At the Appointed Time I will return to you-in about a year-and Sarah will have a son." Was Sarah having a baby something God knew about the Future or something He deliberately Planned and caused to happen? Did God just want Sarah to have a baby, or was there a Purpose behind it? Did God Plan the birth of Isaac with a Purpose?
We can say that God knows what is in the heart of man, but how does He know it? See John 2:25, "But Jesus did not entrust Himself to them, for He knew all men. He did not need any testimony about man, for He knew what was in a man."
Let me interject, that while I have an opinion based on what is available, given my experience and studies, this is what I have concluded. But the fact is, I don't know. I could be wrong. You might be right. But this is how I see it.
Paul speaks of God's Pre-destination of our adoption, of being conformed to His image. Eph 1:11,'My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure'. God is not just involved, He determines.