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this "begotten" was never in the original script.. so it is thrown out in the new RSV version. It is pathetic to see that even though jesus never said it, the original manuscript did not say it, and yet you want to interpolate the verse to fit your "wishful thinking" that somebody was sacrified for your sin. all will die and all will be raised.. and then it would be too late for the major sin of making partner onto GOD who is alone. and in bible itself jesus said many times, do not worship other than god and yet instead of listening to him, you listen to some body , "according to", "unknown" etc..
read your bible.. not what "some" say..but read what jesus said.. what moses said.. use your brain that was given by GOD..

Acts 2:38 is the only way to make it with out his spirit in us he can not quicken are body john 3:5 says you must be born of the water and the spirit to enter into the kingdom of heaven

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I would like to answer the question: The Bible says in Romans 8:9 that if we have not the spirit of Christ he is none of his, That's why we must be born again in John 3:3-7 of the water and the spirit. Jesus told peter that, in Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. The Bible is true and very well spoken and we must obey. On the day of pentecost peter used that key and he told the people how to be saved in Acts 2:38-47 and the Lord added to the CHURCH daily such as should be saved, the word CHURCH stand out because it was the key to salvation from the plan Jesus spoke to peter about. Please feel free to ask any questions.

One of the greatest scriptures throughout all of the Bible is I John 3:9. It mannifests the extreme genius of God the Father. The ability to put in just one sentence some of the most significant truth regarding God's righteousness, justice and love the joy of our salvation, eternal security.

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin because he is born of God."I John 3:9

Let's review. First, who is born of God? "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God..." I John 5: 1 What happens when we are born of God? God the Father imputes to us judicial righteousness or perfection. We, in our new status, as judicially righteous, are considered perfect, "...doth not commit sin..." Understand, in context, this scripture is referring to a judicial perfection. Therefore, we do not sin(considered)perfect only from a judicial standpoint or rendering.

As I previously said, while commenting in the book of Romans we are considered judicially perfect and righteous yet still a sinner, an oxymoron of grace.

To continue. "...for his seed remaineth in him..." The seed of eternal life, once received, can never be removed. Why? Again, as I've said. Double jeopardy. God can never impute sin or condemn us again. Sin is dead, by virture of atonement, to the extent of penalty, spiritual death.

Such logic also explains the remaining part of this scripture "...and he cannot sin..."That is, we are eternally secure and nothing can separate us from the love of God since all sin is dead, resolved, unlimited atonement.

The scripture ends in circular fashion, to reiterate why we are secure, "...because we are born of God..."

I believe he is referring to a carnal mind cannot view GODDLY things. I think this also goes for people seeking a physical kingdom to come....Do they not see the kingdom now? If not, what does this say for them?

Was God himself in human flesh? Is God limited to being 3 persons-trinity? I suppose that we, being sons and daughters of God by faith in the divine Savior Jesus Christ, might still be trying to frame the supernatural realities to fit into our limited earthly dimentions. In Jn. 4:24, Jesus said "God is spirit". The divine Spirit can hardly be framed into our number system as being trinity, because He is actualy everywhere. Jesus, in a spirit sense, was in heaven while being here on earth. John 3:13 & 14:3 K.J.V. are buth spoken present tense. It seems that spirit realities are not limited to earth's laws. In other words, an aspect or facet of God can be wherever He chooses to be without needing to fit into our mindset.

thank GOD for JESUS he is our only hope

believe the word of the Bible which is the Holy Ghost which is in you once you are baptised as Jesus was. You have to come out stright from the water, believe that Jesus is the son our God and repent your sins. (if you search your key words you will find several time when Jesus said do as I did when asked how to be born again.

be·get [bih-get] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), be·got or ( Archaic ) be·gat; be·got·ten or be·got; be·get·ting.
1.(ESPECIALLY OF A MALE PARENT) to PROCREATE or GENERATE (offspring)
begotten (bɪˈɡɒt ə n)— vb
Did Jesus lie when he said he was the Son of God. John 3:16 says "God so loved the world that he gave His only BEGOTTEN son...."A son he created, offspring, separate from GOD, first born of all creation, etc, Only the pagan romans and greeks believed in triad gods. WAKE UP AND GIVE WORSHIP TO ALMIGHTY GOD, THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS!!!
a past participle of beget

Additional understanding to the Word of God. And i want to share my own iterpretation to this. Some say that the bible is only made by man, made by intellect people, like making a book, a magazine, a newspaper & others, but the truth is YES you are right it is made of man,but aaccording to ( 2 Tim 3:16)ll All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. This is meaning of the bible, the answer is already in this verse and you will not loss,if you analyze this. And we know that it is the Word of God ( John 1:1-14) And if we defend our faith in the bible we will not have a mistake, but instead we will have eternal life, and the bible speaks of eternal life to those who will seek the Truth, ( John 8:32) John 5:39-Search the scriptures for in them ye think ye have eternal life, and they that testifies of me. Meaning we will have eternal life through the scriptures of thru the bible itself. Scriptures means word of God, in other words Scriptures it is the Old testament and New Testament. We cannot receive eternal life in other things. And if we don't have eternal life we cannot be save. And the scriptures is telling us that it is God who testifies for all of these. Nobody can testifies who Jesus Christ is, it is the scriptures, and nobody can prove that we will receive eternal life thru our good works, we can only base our salvation to the word of God or to the scriptures. There are some people who made man made books with their intellects but never explain how we can receive eternal life, God is a Spirit its a fact we cannot twist the word of God 1+1= 11 Its a fact we cannot remove this, when God said I am spirit, without body, without shape meaning God is invisible. That is why thru the scripture we inherit eternal life but there must be something to do and everything is written in this book to have eternal life and it begins first to have faith in God, and trust God in order to receive eternal life this is my explanation about this scripture. We must not worship God just to attend churches but we don't know what we are worshipping so there is a compusion for the word of God, we must find where is the church that teaches that God is a Spirit thru this we will know that we are in the Truth. Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and baptized of the Holy Spirit of God ( Acts 2:38) ( John 3:3-7)
God bless you all...Jesus loves you.

Though the flesh will die, and we all surly will, it's comforting to know that our spirit man will live forever and one day we'll all be reunited...and God will wipe away all tears.

Just a correction to bri's comments on chapter 3:16. The verse reads "should not perish", not "shall not perish". Yes this is the essence of Salvation, but the word "shall" implies the 'once saved, always saved' doctrine as an absolute. If this were true, then why bother going to church, reading the Bible, or for that matter living the life Jesus commanded us to live? Salvation is a gift from God, but it has some strings attached. We have to do do our part, meaning we have to pray, treat others as we would be treated, love thy neighbor as thyself, etc. Even if we did all these things, we could still be in danger of losing this precious gift. The two things Jesus specifically mentioned that will not be tolerated were unforgiveness and blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. The "believeth in Him" part of the verse means, among everything else He said, we believe we can lose our Salvation for unforgiveness and blasphemy. Jesus said it. I believe it. Bottom line, don't think for a moment that showing up for church will get you to Heaven. Sorry if that troubles anyone. I didn't write it. lol.

Prior to this i would like to share something about our topic, ( Romans 5:12)for by one man sin entered the world and death by sin so death passed upon all men for in that all have sinned.....We know that the bible clearly state that both of them disobeyed God's command, as stated in this verse FOR BY ONE MAN SIN ENTERED THE WORLD,One man means not particular to one man only but two person,( Genesis 2:24)meaning they shall be in one flesh. In ( Genesis 2:16-17) Thou shalt not eat of it, for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. When Eve begin to have fellowship with the devil, She begin to have a desire about the fruit in the midst of the garden, the devil expalin to her that you will not die if you eat the fruit but rather will be like God, Adam saw Eve that when She ate the fruit she did not die, but God said you will die, so when Eve gave him the fruit after he ate this, their eyes where opened and saw that they were both naked and covered with them leafs, and so the bible said In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die, they died on that day because for the Lord one thousand day for the Lord is only ONE DAY that is why they died on that day, but because of God's love to them before sending out from the garden God clothed them with skin of animals (Lamb)for the remission of their sin because God commanded them only ONE COMMAND! ( Hebrews 9:22) without shedding of Blood there is no remission of sin. because there was a sacrifice blood for them a blemish, without spot of a lamb. ( John 1:29) Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world.

This is very important matter to all of us,the sin which committed by Adam & Eve was forgiven but there was something happend there was a consequence a far reaching consequence of their sin, we inherit the original sin which is death from hell, the only way to escape this is to have reconcilliation with Christ thru baptism in water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins, this is the only key for us to enter God's Kingdom without repentance and without baptism we will all likewise perish. ( John 3:3-7)
Without being born again of water and of spirit we cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, for there is two salvation God wants to happen to all, being baptized of water & spirit and after this process we must continue to be with Lord in his second coming ( Titus 2:13) This the TRUTH the truth that will save us from damnation, because Jesus said I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE no man cometh unt the Father except thru me.

Godbless you heart...

Ask Jesus into your heart? Surely you can recall at least ONE verse in the Bible where someone asked Jesus into their heart...Right??? Brother Phil

You need to accept Jesus Christ in your heart as your Lord & Saviour to get into heaven there's no other way

John 3:5 is definatly WATER BAPTISM...We must be born of the water (H20) and the Spirit...

this verse says it all, God sent His son Jesus Christ to die for us, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. that in itself is the defifinition of salvation. nothing else

Verse 21 says "And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." It doesn't say whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord, and be baptized, and attend an Apostolic Pentecostal Church. If you read the entire New Testament it doesn't even say you HAVE to be baptized to go to heaven. There are verses that speak of baptism as being an important step of faith, but not a requirement for heaven. The man on the cross with Jesus was told by Jesus himself that he would be with him in Heaven, and he was never baptized or attended an Apostolic Pentecostal Church. While baptism is important to the Christian life, and attending a correct bible preaching church is what God wants for our life (not a denomination preference, but a right church) the ONLY key to salvation and heaven is accepting Jesus' payment for our sins. Read John 3:16, Romans 5:8, Romans 10:9-10 and Romans 13, and none specify anything other than belief in Jesus as our savior. Baptism, church membership and daily bible reading and prayer are vitally important parts of Christian life, but the only key to heaven is Jesus himself.

if wasnt tru the LORD wont even speak thru your mind,The HOLYGOST is in you

Even if the begotten is taken away from the bible(NRSV),brother you need to understand that he is not denied the deity and son of God in all the versions.Its taken away only to make you understand better rather than make it ambiguous.You need to notice that jesus was prophecised in Rig veda ,yagurva veda.Also in Quran its found that he is the only holy man on earth till date.this is because God in Flesh.Only God can be holy.

I cannot accept that I am more better than you because only the Lord Jesus Christ know the heart of a person. So, we the believers must have a competition to each other to become pleasing to his sight, in John 3:22. a person can enter into the kingdom of heaven must have a pure heart. Faith alone and works of a Pastor/Minister/Reverence/Priest cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven if you accept verse Mat. 7:21. Our God will judge to our works whether good or bad. Our God will not judge to our faith to Him. But God judge us is based in His words. Supporting verses : 2 Cor. 5:10; John 12:48 & Ecclesias. 12:14.

THE BIBLE TELLS US HOW GOD REALLY LOVE US. HE NURTURED US WITH HIS WORDS AND POWER. HE NEVER LEFT US TO BE BARREN IN EVERYTHING WE NEED. GOD PROVIDED AND WE BECAME COMPLETE IN HIM. WE ARE NOT OF OUR OWN BUT WE ARE ALL THE PROPERTY OF GOD. BUT DESPITE OF OF OUR HARDENED HEART GOD STILL CONTINUE LOVING US AND NEVER WAS TIRED. NO MATTER HOW HARD HEADED WE ARE GOD STILL AT STAKE TO CONTINUE CALLING ON ALL OF US TO RETURN UNTO HIM. IRREGARDLESS OF WHO WE ARE WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE WE THE MOST SINFUL MAN OF THIS WORLD CRIMINALS OUTLAWS AND SO MANY OTHERS OF ITS KIND IT IS THE LOVE OF JESUS TO CALLING IN US ALL TO RETURN UNTO HIM

V.13. Heaven; (heaved up place). Possibly; (The higher spirit world). In Eph. 6:12, the powers of evil are said to be in high (heavenly) places. This is from the same Gr. word as in Eph.1:20, where Jesus is now set (seated in a position of supreme authority).
While Jesus was on earth, He was apparently also quite in touch with this spirit world, so He could rightly say "The Son of man, who is in heaven, as in a fourth dimension. In John 14:2-3, He says, "that where I am" (present tense), referring to his Father's house, there you may be also. Now catch this; In Eph.2:6, Paul says,"God has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus". It sounds like we are not only citizens of this 4th dimension heaven but in a position of authority as ambassadors for Christ, while being in Him. This is too wonderful for me to write about, and I plead for correction if needed. Jesus is Lord!

God gave to me a sinner His ONLY Son and all I have to do is BELIEVE to have Everlasting Life with Him.
That is so awesome that My Heavenly Father Loves Me a sinner so much. I am so thankful I excepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior in April of 1977.

Let us not forget that Chapter 11 of Leviticus as well as Deuteronomy 14 are the food laws that we are to keep forever and they are not just ceremonial laws as Doug suggests. Yahweh is the same today and forever, He changes not; see Malachi 3:6, nor does Yahshua change either, see Hebrews 13:8 and 9. Sin is the transgression of the law period; see I John 3:4. Take note of I Timothy 4:3 "to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. His Word is the Truth, so let's obey Him and not eat any abominable thing such as pork, etc. See Deuteronomy 14:3; Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. And finally see John 14:15; If you love me keep my commandments. Enough said!

2 Timothy 4:10 Demas has forsaken me having loved this present world .....Demas was a member of the then church he had to be with Paul for paul to say he had forsaken him pauls in prison but Demas is free to depart to thesalonica pauls testimony is that Demas forsook him because he loved the world my understanding is that if you would deny that Jesus is the Son of God the law had no more problem with you the lust of the flesh being beaten starving in prison would fullfill that the lust of the eyes food home money what ever you see as more important then Jesus the pride of life being excepted again by those that have rejected you the love of the father 1 John 5:3 is to keep his Commandments 1 John 3:23 to believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ and to love one another as he gave commandment this is his will John 6:40 that all that seeth the son and believe on him may have everlasting life 1 John 3:24 says here that those that believe and keep his commandments he would dwell in them and they in him 1 John 4:15 tells you who they are because he dwells in those who confess Jesus to be his Son thats why demas would have to deny him to be set free maybe all that demas wanted was to go home so he left but paul also wanted to go home but his home was in heaven so he stayed John 15:19 Jesus said if ye were of the world the world would love his oun John 4:3 tells you who they are those that confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh 1 John 4:5 they are of the world meaning those that deny that he is the son of God .....i guess given time i could do abetter job just trying to say presently what these verses mean to me not what i usally here

The comment Christ made about being born of water is a reference to the ambiotic sac of a child we are physicaly born into this world in water in our mothers womb. The verse before that where nicodemus ask how can a man enter into his mothers womb and the verse after where Christ says that which is born of flesh is flesh demonstrates that. Bieng born of water is a reference to the ambiotioc sac of physical birth.

Dear Linda, I wanted to respond also to the part of your letter about God's Word saying that no man has seen God at anytime. I found the scripture, and some more that relate to it. No man can see God, but mankind, to whomever He will reveal Himself, can see His Christ; His Image; His only begotten Son, which is also His Word; words, and is the Sword of His Spirit, and we can see God, the Father IN the Face of God's Word; God's only begotten Son; Christ Jesus. The reason Christ is the ONLY begotten of God; the Father, is because Christ was always with God, always existed, was always part of that which is God, and literally CAME FORTH from God. All mankind that receives Christ is born of; begotten of, God BY Christ; BY God's Word, and by His Spirit, thus the Spirit of God's Word. For, the WORDS of Christ are spirit and life.
It is IN the Face; the WORDS, of Christ, that we see; perceive, and come to know, the Father. As, Christ Jesus is the EXPRESS Image of God, the Father. As, Christ was/is the very HEART of God, the Father, expressed unto us. Christ IS the Word, and thus the WORDS of the Father, speaking unto us. As it is written:

I John 3:I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

When Christ Jesus says 'My words,' they are not His as far as where; Who, they came from. The words of God's Word; Christ, are the words of His Father, just as Christ; God's Word, is God's; the Father's.

There are so many beautiful and deep things touched upon in the prayer that Jesus Christ prayed to His Father in John, chapter 17. One thing is that He says, in so many words, 'Father, you gave mankind ME, and I gave them your WORDS.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou GAVEST THEM ME; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have GIVEN unto them THE WORDS which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is NOT MINE, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

18 NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD at any time; the only begotten Son, which is IN THE BOSOM bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED him.

John 6:63 (Jesus said...)63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God IN THE FACE of Jesus Christ.

Psalms 27:8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.

Psalms 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with THY LIKENESS.
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I John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when HE shall appear, we shall be LIKE HIM; for we shall see him as he is.
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Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being THE BRIGHTNESS his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

as stated in the bible, "for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever belives in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 God loved us soooo much that he sent his son to die on the cross for us and wash away our sins by shedding his blood. God is a merciful God and he should be praised and worshipped every minute and hour of our lives, he gave us breath. Some of us went to bed with our family and friends, but some did not wake up with us, so if you are living, you have all cause to praise your Jehovah. A song for you to sing in your heart- " Our God is such an awesome God, Our God is such an awesome God, see how he loves me, see how he loves you, our God is such an awesome God.Thank you God, thank you Father, and thank you Holy Spirit. God bless you all.