One of the many bible versions changes the word "hate" to "disregard". Some apologetics argue that "hate" was a mis-translation, and that the idea was that you must renounce all your connections to the physical world(which would make some sense). But "hate" is such a strong term that it's really hard to accept any attempt to re-word the verse, Words mean things. And the old testament commandment of honoring thy father and mother doesn't seem to have any possible logical intersection with this verse. One must conclude that Luke was having a bad day when he penned this, because, to me, it is inconceivable the Jesus would say that.
(This is my response to David's comment dated 9/13/2013 at 10:08pm on Luke Chapter 14 about verse 26):.. LUKE 14:26 is NOT a saying.. it simply means, you CANNOT be His DISCIPLE if you LOVE your father, mother, wife, children, brethren, sisters, even your own life, MORE than HIM.
I am sure the cost of being a follower of Jesus should be reckoned with on a different scale than relations to life and on account for something higher than any of the people mentioned in verse 26. The truth is hate in Greek means "to differ to or disregard" and the English meaning puts exaggeration on how you should accept the invitation of discipleship rather than focusing on "how could Jesus expect that of anyone". I am encouraged by this verse because it challenges me both spiritually of what I am willing to give up to become a better soldier for Christ and in the natural life, it is still the battle of denying myself in order to follow Christ in the 21st century and all its challenges.
Doesnt this chapter kind of explain that we need to be humble. Offer others our support and caring without putting ourselves 1st. I also think that it also explains that we shouldnt make excuses for other things thru our day and we should make sure GOD is our priority each day. When God is asking or inviting we shouldnt have other things as a priority in our lives. In regards to hate i think it is more so saying that God again is our priority and that worldly things or others come second to God. God number 1, spouse number 2, family number 3.
We should always be ready in our hearts to meet God. It explains that we dont know that day as in the previous chapters. When we are invited to the table we should be ready to accept that invitation. Our hearts should be pure and ready to be accepted into heaven when God comes calling.
We should help others before ourselves, make God a priority even over family and always be ready when we are called home to Heaven.
To GEORGE HARTWELL:
No one can validate your own inclination. If you love Christ, you will love your family even more, because Christ is the height and depth of love. So please lay your question side by side with the Word of God and get your answer. Specifically read the entire short books of 1st, 2nd and Third John. Hope this helps.
Verse 26 - There is nothing more precious to me than my lovely wife, my two beautiful children, other members of my wonderful family and all of my fantastic friends. My life revolves around them and I love them more than anything, including Jesus. Does that make me a bad person?
i like when jesus heal the man that has dospy. And JESUS said to thelawyers and pharisees, jesus said to them is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day. The pharisees took for granted that they were righteous because they religiously observed the mosaic law.
Verse 26 means just what it said, you got to hate everything for God, because he does not take second to any one. Roman 9:13, as it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. God hated Esau because he sold his birth right to Jacob, his younger brother.
Comment on verse 26:
1. This is a very misunderstood passage simply because people continue to make remarks about biblical scriptures without research and studying ( 2 Timothy 2:15);
2. Can anyone of reason truly believe that Jesus is teaching us that we must hate our family members in order to love and follow him?
3. Only an antichrist that rejects God's word and the truth of biblical philosophy would come to that conclusion;
4. The meaning behind the word hate is the same found in Genesis 29:30,31. Jacob truly loved Rachel more than Leah in verse 30, but noticed the word hate used by God in his description of how Jacob feels towards Leah in verse 31;
5. There are times when God uses the word hate in his describing of a feeling of one person over another when it is just a matter of a person having a more affectionate preference over someone else;
6. To get the true description of Jesus is saying in verse 26, go to Colossians 3:1-4;
7. True example of God's hatred about someone or something can be found in Proverbs 6:16-19.
Okeoghene Grace Dietake on Luke 14:26 - 12 years ago
Knowing you Jesus; there is no greater thing. Nothing (death, life, tribulations, family, wealth, self esteem, wealth, famine, hunger,..) shall separate me from your love... Romans 8:35-39. Whatever stands deceitfully to take your place in my life, I consider as dung and am ready to turn away from even if it is my own life. This is my solemn declaration and this is a light in a sense of what Luke 14:26 means. That nothing else matters; that all is NOTHING compared to the priceless blessings of knowing Jesus and that without this mentality, one is not even qualified to be a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ.
In Isaiah 2:10-22 we read of the day of the Lord of hosts in which the Lord Will arise to shake terribly the earth. In chapter 24:5-6 Isaiah of says (of this day) the earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned and a few are left. Jeremiah says: a noise shall come even to the ends of the earth: for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh: he will give them that are wicked to the sword ( Jeremiah 25:27-38 ). The nations shall drink the cup of the wrath of the almighty God. God had promised Abraham a blessing to all the nations through his seed, that is Christ. He was given for a covenant of the people,for a light of the Gentiles. Before the desolation of Jerusalem Paul had these words to say to the Gentiles: and if some of the branches broken off and thou being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partakers of the root and the fatness of the olive tree: boast not against the branches, but if thou boast, thou bearest not the root but the root thee. Thou wilt say the branches were broken that I may be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standeth by faith. Be not highminded but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches take heed lest he spare not thee.--- for if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted in their own olive tree ( Romans 11:17-26)? The beginning of the gospel was foreran by Malachi 3 messenger ( Mark 1: 1- 3); Jesus pointed in Mathew 11: 10: for this is he, of Whom it is written, Behold I will send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare the way before me. He was the forerunner of the first coming and he went before him in the the Spirit and power of Elijah, and many of the children of Israel he turned to the Lord their God ( Luke1:17) .He, Christ is the author and the finisher of our faith. He promised in Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he declared to his servants the prophets. We read in the scripture, concerning the second coming: and at midnight there was a cry made, behold the bridegroom cometh (25:5) there is the messenger that is to forerun the second coming, the supper time messenger( Luke 14:17, Revelation 19:9). The forerunner of the second coming will have the spirit of Elijah just as the first forerunner. He will have a world wide ministry because the curse of Isaiah 24:6 will follow after the days of his ministry. The Gentiles (church) will be Judged just as Jerusalem was destroyed by General Titus. The Malachi 3 messenger with the spirit of Elijah ministered the other side of the the atonement before death burial and ressurection. The messenger of Malachi 4 with the spirit of Elijah minister this side of the atonement before the rapture of the church
My earthly family may not be my eternal family. Some posts here come from a wordly point of view. What does a believer in Jesus and his word have in common with anybody who hates Jesus?
People you have to read Don's Genesis 33:15 comment.
When the "Spirit" impresses upon you a particular verse for understanding you must go back and glean out the situations or statements that peaked your interest.
Above all, get the tools necessary to translate our English back to the original Languages. Hebrew (Old Testament) Greek (New Testament)
The Strong's Concordance dictionary and The King James Companion Bible. (both will be a great blessing!
Example the word "Hate" #3404 in the Strong's Concordance also can mean - "To Love Less than".
A huge huge difference in understanding
the meaning of Luke 14:26 !!!
My Thoughts is that everything is God's he made us for is purpose not for our purpose.And when realize this and know how much He loved us we won't have problems putting Him first. For God so Loved the world that He gave His only begotten a Son that he that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 and this was His great gift to us. so our gift to Him is to put HIm first
Has anyone ever heard of the word fideism? according to Merriam-Webster FIDEISM. : reliance on faith rather than reason in pursuit of religious truth. — fi·de·ist -ˌdā-ist noun. — fi·de·is·tic ˌfē-(ˌ)dā-ˈis-tik ... To hate my mother or my father or anyone else is in my opinion a Jim Jones hypocrisy - where people are lead like blind sheep to mass slaughters and suicides - to contort or interpret this to mean anything other than the acceptance of unsound reasoning. To "know thy self" the great Imhotep proclaimed is where one learns all things as self being the building of that temple towards The Creator. If you "hate" yourself, your mother etc..you tear away the foundation of understanding and forgiveness which is even contrary to Christian theology. No matter how you slice it, if according to your own Bible Matthew 5:37 says," But let your Yes be Yes and your No, ' No. For whatever is more than these is from the evil one".
Hotep
The men of Sodom did not likely realize that these
men were in fact angels. Its not clear if Lot knew at the time they arrived, either. Though obviously when they revealed their purpose to him, he would realize they were angels. The fact that Lot offered his daughters is reprehensible, but perhaps he knew these wicked men were not interested in women. The fact that they are described later as married, could simply be that they were betrothed and thus considered married. AS they still lived in the house with him, this seems likely. It could also be that they were in fact already married, but still virgins because their husbands were homosexual. The fact that they lay with their own father later, shows the moral degredation of living in such an evil place. As to the comment about Lots wife, the Bible is NEVER contradictory. It is divinely inspired word of GOD. Sometimes things get muddled in the translation, which is why its important to look at the original Hebrew and Greek text to get a better understanding of what is being said. Salt is frequently used in the bible to render ground unfruitful. Luke 14:34 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
JimeeB- not quite sure how much more detail your looking for as to why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. I think its pretty clear....
Prime evidence that Jesus was a forerunner of modern cult leaders who build a following by getting people to reject and even hate their families.
"Christian Family Values" is an oxymoron.
The Lord God is telling us that he don't want us to put anything before him if u do u don't belong to him.He must be first in our life and the rest will fall into place.
I wonder how many of you know that the line from v 23 "compel them to come in" was used as justification for the worst excesses of Christianity? It was interpreted to mean that it was correct to force ppl into the Church, no matter how.
To pick up the cross daily we are live a life knowing that Jesus died for us we are to die to self putting God in control of our life daily
Trusting that He will see us through whatever happens
Joe- Pity I don't need, answers I do need. I'd like to know what you mean by "going in every different direction" and "jumping from text to text". The chapters and verses I quoted, are fact. Or is it just mistakes written in the Bible. Whatever it is Joe, you have to admit it makes you wonder if the clear verses are condradictions or mistakes that man have written themselves. You yourself need to open your eyes. The writtings are so clear even an Intelligent child will pick it up. I do believe in our Almighty God, the creator of the universe, heavens and all thats in between. It is God and God alone we need to give thanks too and praise him each moment of everyday and night for the blessings he has bestowed on us, to prostate in prayer as he commanded Abraham, Moses and every prophet to do. Genesis 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," Exodus 34:8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. Joshua 5:14 And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him. Matthew 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. Matthew 26:39 And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed.
To give elms to the poor. Proverbs 28:27
He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses. Luke 14:12-14
Jesus advised hosts to invite the poor to their banquets because then God would bless them.
God is great
We should always be ready in our hearts to meet God. It explains that we dont know that day as in the previous chapters. When we are invited to the table we should be ready to accept that invitation. Our hearts should be pure and ready to be accepted into heaven when God comes calling.
We should help others before ourselves, make God a priority even over family and always be ready when we are called home to Heaven.
No one can validate your own inclination. If you love Christ, you will love your family even more, because Christ is the height and depth of love. So please lay your question side by side with the Word of God and get your answer. Specifically read the entire short books of 1st, 2nd and Third John. Hope this helps.
1. This is a very misunderstood passage simply because people continue to make remarks about biblical scriptures without research and studying ( 2 Timothy 2:15);
2. Can anyone of reason truly believe that Jesus is teaching us that we must hate our family members in order to love and follow him?
3. Only an antichrist that rejects God's word and the truth of biblical philosophy would come to that conclusion;
4. The meaning behind the word hate is the same found in Genesis 29:30,31. Jacob truly loved Rachel more than Leah in verse 30, but noticed the word hate used by God in his description of how Jacob feels towards Leah in verse 31;
5. There are times when God uses the word hate in his describing of a feeling of one person over another when it is just a matter of a person having a more affectionate preference over someone else;
6. To get the true description of Jesus is saying in verse 26, go to Colossians 3:1-4;
7. True example of God's hatred about someone or something can be found in Proverbs 6:16-19.
When the "Spirit" impresses upon you a particular verse for understanding you must go back and glean out the situations or statements that peaked your interest.
Above all, get the tools necessary to translate our English back to the original Languages. Hebrew (Old Testament) Greek (New Testament)
The Strong's Concordance dictionary and The King James Companion Bible. (both will be a great blessing!
Example the word "Hate" #3404 in the Strong's Concordance also can mean - "To Love Less than".
A huge huge difference in understanding
the meaning of Luke 14:26 !!!
Hotep
men were in fact angels. Its not clear if Lot knew at the time they arrived, either. Though obviously when they revealed their purpose to him, he would realize they were angels. The fact that Lot offered his daughters is reprehensible, but perhaps he knew these wicked men were not interested in women. The fact that they are described later as married, could simply be that they were betrothed and thus considered married. AS they still lived in the house with him, this seems likely. It could also be that they were in fact already married, but still virgins because their husbands were homosexual. The fact that they lay with their own father later, shows the moral degredation of living in such an evil place. As to the comment about Lots wife, the Bible is NEVER contradictory. It is divinely inspired word of GOD. Sometimes things get muddled in the translation, which is why its important to look at the original Hebrew and Greek text to get a better understanding of what is being said. Salt is frequently used in the bible to render ground unfruitful. Luke 14:34 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
JimeeB- not quite sure how much more detail your looking for as to why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. I think its pretty clear....
"Christian Family Values" is an oxymoron.
Trusting that He will see us through whatever happens
To give elms to the poor. Proverbs 28:27
He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses. Luke 14:12-14
Jesus advised hosts to invite the poor to their banquets because then God would bless them.
God is great