Discuss Luke 17 Page 5

Could this apply to abortion?

I believe it's a daily decision effort. Referring to "pick up your cross daily & follow" Jesus, "dying to self", being "born again " we have to go from a symbolic crawling to walking. Luke 9:23, Luke 14:27, Matthew 10:38, John 8:24,

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Deuteronomy 17:19, Isaiah 1:17,

Even fruit, isn't automatic, it takes time to grow.

Pruning, is there habits that need to be cut off? Even if it starts growing back, to trim again.

Luke 17:33, John 8:34, Romans 6, Romans 7, Romans 8:2,

Hopefully these are helpful

Daniel 8, Daniel 11, & Revelation,

In your study maybe include: Daniel 12, continuing from Daniel 11.

Also : Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17:20-37, Luke 18:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, John 16:33, 1Thessalonians, 2Thessalonians, Zephaniah 1:14,15, Ezekiel 30:3, Amos 5:18-20, 2Timothy 3,

Isaiah 24,

Daniel 7, encouraging= Daniel 7:25-26,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study & discussion

Mat 22:39 I here so many question and concerns of are we to love our neighbor/enemies: As always search scripture. one who fallows CHRIST and tries to be a good neighbor you love as you love all Christian brothers who fallow the doctrine of CHRIST. The 1st and greatest commandment is to love GOD with all your heart and soul and if you do you would be a good neighbor. Is upon the head of any head of house to protect you family with your life if need be. Would you let a neighbor walk in your home and abuse 1 of your family? I hope you said no.

Paul wrote: Rom 12:18 Many look over "If it is possible" sometimes it just is not possible to get along and you don't ever let someone run over you. If you have a neighbor that does not love GOD and commits egregious acts against you; he cannot be of GOD but of Satan, 2 John 1:7. Do you love Satan? I hope you said no. Anyone that does not fallow the doctrine of CHRIST we are to not so much as wish them a good day 2 John 1:10. We love our enemies only after they have turned from their sins against you and accept doctrine of CHRIST, 2 John 1:9, not until. CHRIST tells us Math. 10:14 if they do not accept doctrine to turn from them, wiping even their dirt off. If they sin against you and repent and ask for forgiveness then you forgive but if they don't then have nothing to do with them until they do.

Leviticus 19:15-:18 GOD tells us what being a good neighbor is. If he is self-professed Christian (brother) and he breaks these rules then scripture tells us to set him aside until he repents and ask for forgiveness. If he doesn't then vengeance is the Lords. You will be blessed while he has to watch; perhaps he eventually comes to senses an wants the good life you have. But if you are unlucky to get an evil neighbor you best be on guard, Christians are not 2nd class citizens where we allow to be stepped on.

2Th 3:14,15 Mathew 18:15-:20 Romans 16:17 2 Thessalonians 3:6-:14 Luke 17:3,4. Corresponding verses.

Trusting Jesus Today:

Those things you SEEK.

Knowing the WILL of God answers what YOU SEEK.

Matthew 6:10 Thy Kingdom come. Thy WILL BE DONE.

Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ......Christ in you .....

1 John 5:11 This is the record, that God hath GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, and THIS LIFE is his SON (the Holy Ghost).

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you, eternal LIFE) that WORKETH IN YOU (you are his body and he is the LIFE, not you, him) both TO WILL and TO DO his (the LIFE's) good pleasure.

John 14:6 ....I am truth and life ....

Christ himself, in the form of the Holy Ghost, THE SEED of God, is the Life in YOU, causing you HIS BODY to Do his good pleasure.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (truth and life) doth not commit sin, for HIS SEED remaineth in him (you, his body), and he (you, his body) cannot sin, because he (you, his body) is born of God.

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come (it's HERE, Christ in you), thy will be done.

Peace has arrived.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit (Christ's LIFE) in you, and CAUSE you (my body) to walk in my statutes, and to keep my commandments and DO THEM.

Hebrews 4:10 For he (the body of Christ) that has entered into MY REST (God's Kingdom, Christ's Life)) has CEASED from his OWN WORKS .....

God Bless You.

Diane by no means do you put up with abuse of any kind. You are a child of GOD, a Christian; not a 2nd class citizen and Christians should never let anyone walk on them. In Mathew 18:15-:20 you admonish them showing them the error of their way and if they don't ask for forgiveness and repent than rebuke them and set them aside ( Romans 16:17). That means don't hang out with them, putting yourself through any chance for abuse, don't hate them but be pleasant like it doesn't bother you, live your life as a Christian who will be blessed. When they see how good your life is, then they will want it too. These people you are talking about do not sound like Christians to me, if they were they would not abuse. Therefore you do not put up with them but put them aside until/if they have a change of heart. Yes love your enemies if they have turned from their ways and accepted CHRIST. Talk to them and tell them how you feel if that does no good then live in peace and harmony knowing their sin is not on you. 2 Thessalonians 3:6-:14 Luke 17:3,4. Someone has to ask for forgiveness to receive it. When that happens they must repent and have a complete change of heart, making a commitment to never do it again. You are under no obligation to forgive one that does not come to you and ask. But for your own health, in your own heart it is better that you do and move on, because it will turn to hate and bitterness where the devil will sneak in.

Hey S Spencer,

I agree that our physical death ends any chance for our salvation and today is the accepted time for tomorrow we may be gone. When we die, what's inside will determine what we get, Isaiah 55:6. Revelation 22:11 along with verse 12 brings other scripture up to me, that you may not agree with.

Do you think it refers to the door being shut, at the end of the days of grace, the fulness of the Gentiles? I know it is not thought of much, but God does know when and who the last person will be saved. Those who have not accepted Jesus as their savior will no longer be able to find Him after he closes the door on salvation like God closed the door on the ark, Genesis 7:16 Luke 17:27.

He has warned us. The door will close someday. Whether it is upon our death or that He allows one hardened heart to remain hard or that He allows those to accept the delusion, 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12, the door to salvation will close. Matthew 7:13 - 14 Luke 13:24-25 John 10:9 Revelation 3:8.

Thank you and God bless,

RLW

I'm not so much sure if it's birth pangs, although you could be correct, Sheila.

Once the rapture happens, the tribulation does begin but it progressively gets worse if we follow the prophetic events in the Holy Bible. For example -- the anti-Christ may not rise up for a few years until after the tribulation begins but one of the early condemnations will be the mark of the beast (condemnation for those left behind and take it).

There's a slight contrast in the events which precede the rapture and which precede the 2nd coming (as they're not similar events or the same as some claim).

No signs precede Rapture. ( 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3)

Signs precede Second Coming. ( Luke 21:11,15)

Many terrible things will happen in the midst of the tribulation and there will be earthquakes, war and overall unrest. Some things of read you in Revelation are some of the most terrifying to be known. Israel's role too if you contrast between the pre-tribulation rapture & the 2nd coming:

Israel is persecuted during the Tribulation. Two-in-three Jews in Israel are killed. ( Zechariah 13:8-9)

Israel is regathered. ( Jeremiah 23:5-8)

World famine, pestilence, war and sorrow follow the Rapture. ( Matthew 24:6-10; Luke 17:31)

World peace follows Christ's Second Coming when He reigns from Jerusalem ( Isaiah 11:6)

I was bullied in school, by some students & even teachers. I know several children bullied by teachers & others in authority. I even had teachers throw chalkboard erasers & hit me in the head, multiple times, in front of entire classes. One teacher pulled me by the hair of my head down the hall to office because I asked questioned his fairness 5th grade. 4th Grade the teacher had me miss play time several days because I white skin, & different eyes & hair. "to teach class about predjudist" it made students more isolating towards me. Many more situations, I & others have suffered.

* To tell someone in authority that has no fear of GOD, sometimes makes the problem worse!

1st know: Jesus knows better than anyone what it's like to be wrongfully bullied! Pray to The Father for help in Jesus Name: Matthew 6:5-34, John 14:13, Isaiah 53,

1Peter 2:19-25,

2nd if you have kind, gentle, loving & understanding parents you all could prayerfully consider Homeschooling.

If you have a difficult situation at home, then pray about how to tell your Parent/Parents/Gaurdian. Even if they don't outwardly show love, they most likely care about cruel, abusive behavior towards you by others. In one case a child was moved to different school & situations were much better for that child.

3rd, Remember this time, if you're called to endure is just a few years, sometimes much shorter when you pray. GOD does amazing things, through our prayers. Luke 17:6, Matthew 17:20, James 5:17,

4th, through hardship we learn compassion, to help others who go through what we have gone through, & going through. 2Corinthians 1:3-4,

5th, I will pray for you.

6th be encouraged as I have become unafraid of people & bolder for Christ, wiser especially for things today, you too should be strengthened & be wiser throughout these things. 2Timothy 2:3, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,

Hopefully these are helpful & encouraging

Not long after I replied to your question, I noticed the statement looked incomplete. I decided to leave it believing you would understand based on the previous sentence. Then the LORD confirmed the thought with scripture!

Samuel wept for Saul. Samuel being the Judge of Israel: 1Samuel 7:15, Samuel came on the scene because Eli & his sons were dishonoring GOD & GOD's laws. As set forth in the Books of Deuteronomy, & Leviticus, given to Moses, recorded in Exodus 24 - 30, full chapters & Numbers. 1Samuel 1, 1Samuel 2:22-25, 1Samuel 2:11-18, they were the Priests yet they did their own will. (also fitting for your question) 1Samuel 2:27-36, 1Samuel 2:26, 1Samuel 3, = 1Samuel 4, please note also in Exodus 32, these were actions out of GOD's will, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 19, Yet when Abraham prayed GOD would have spared them all if there were 10 righteous at Abraham's request Genesis 18:16-33,

also comes to mind, GOD allows people to intercede on behalf of others even sinful, the ultimate example is Jesus, even now on our behalf

2Peter 3:9, Luke 17:25-30, 2Chronicles 16:9, Romans 8:34,

With all of these. Why do you ask?

Genesis 1:28, John 16:23, John 14:13,

Hopefully these are all helpful

The Kingdom of God.

Part 3.

"WITHIN YOU."

The better translation would be "in your midst" or "among you." Jesus was telling the Pharisees that He brought the kingdom of God to earth. Jesus' presence in their midst gave them a taste of the kingdom life, as attested by the miracles that Jesus performed. Elsewhere, Jesus mentions His miracles as definitive proof of the kingdom: "If I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you" ( Luke 11:20).

There are three popular interpretations of Jesus' words in Luke 17:21 that the kingdom of God is within you (or among you): 1) the kingdom of God is essentially inward, within man's heart; 2) the kingdom is within your reach if you make the right choices; and 3) the kingdom of God is in your midst in the person and presence of Jesus. The best of these interpretations, it seems, is the third: Jesus was inaugurating the kingdom as He changed the hearts of men, one at a time.

For the time being, Christ's kingdom is not of this world ( John 18:36). One day, however, the kingdom of God will be manifest on the earth ( Isaiah 35:1), and Jesus Christ will rule a physical kingdom.

Jesus told his desciples to pray for the Kingdom.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Mat. 6:10.

Some say the Kingdom started in Jesus ministry.

There's several problems with that view.

1) Davids throne no longer existed then. "It still don't.

2) Revelation 20. refutes that notion. "The devil is still at large, look around.

The Millennial Kingdom is a one-thousand-year literal and visible reign of Christ upon the earth during which Satan is bound, Israel as a people is restored, and the Jewish Temple rebuilt.

Isaiah 2:1-4.

Isaiah 11:1-10.

Isaiah 65:18-25

I like this one!!

Isaiah 11:11. God will gather Israel a SECOND TIME and all this will happen.

This is being fulfilled before our very eyes! He just haven't poured his spirit on that nation yet.

God bless.

The Kingdom of God.

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In Luke 17:20-21, Jesus says, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you"

The context of Jesus' statement is a question put to Him by His Pharisee detractors who had asked when the kingdom of God would come (verse 20).

Jesus' answer was that the kingdom of God was not coming in the manner the Pharisees were expecting. The kingdom would not be inaugurated with spectacle or splendor; there would be no great and magnificent leader who staked out a geographical claim and routed the Romans; rather, the kingdom would come silently and unseen, much as leaven works in a batch of dough (see Matthew 13:33). In fact, Jesus says, the kingdom had already begun, right under the Pharisees' noses. God was ruling in the hearts of some people, and the King Himself was standing among them, although the Pharisees were oblivious to that fact.

Various translations render the Greek of Luke 17:21 various ways. The phrase translated "within you" in the KJV and NKJV is translated as "in your midst" in the NIV, NASB, and NET; "among you" in the NLT and HCSB; and "in the midst of you" in the ESV. Earlier versions of the NIV had "within you" with a marginal note suggesting "among you." There is obviously a difference between saying "the kingdom of God is within you" and "the kingdom of God is among you."

Within you" comes off as an unfavorable translation, seeing that Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees at the time. Jesus was surely not saying that the kingdom of God resided within the Pharisees' hearts. The Pharisees opposed Jesus and had no relationship with God. Jesus in other places denounced them as "whitewashed tombs" and "hypocrites" ( Matthew 23:27).

See Part 3.

Dear God, We ask You to save souls today. Help your people to throw out the the true net of the Gospel and bring them in Lord! I lift up all the laborers today. Please let the YOUR truth reach all, and work through all. Let the harvest of souls be great today and every day. In Jesus name Amen

Thank John 3:16

Luke 17:21

One of the shortest verses in the bible, Luke 17:32 "Remember Lot's wife." Lot's wife was saved, until at the last minute when she decided to turn around, why she turned around, we don't know, but she did, Genesis 19:26. The devil is in the world constantly tempting us until our last breath, as in Judas who was with Jesus for his entire earthly ministry, or as in

Luke 23:39-43, the one thief on the cross (whom I believe) was the devil tempting Jesus to come down from the cross and save himself, and the other thief on the cross rebuking him and saying that they deserved their punishment, and then asking Jesus to remember him, one was saved one wasn't. This is why it's so important to put on the whole armour of God as in

Ephesians 6:11-19,

Genesis 19:26 "But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt."

Beautifully put. I believe some misunderstand, the "Coming of The LORD, Return of The LORD, THE Day of The LORD " as I did also, as dearly loved fellowship of Believers would pray for it. Maybe by Philippians 3:20, eagerly awaiting, & Colossians 4:2, That misinterpreted.

Then one day I read: Amos 5:18-24,

People long for Mercy, Justice, correct judgement that may be the root of the plea, prayer.

However Jesus instruction was pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven " Matthew 6:9-13,

Daniel 7:27, Psalms 145:13, John 17, note John 17:15-16, Luke 17:20-21,

Proverbs 21:3, Isaiah 56:1, Psalms 82:3, Isaiah 59:4, (context Isaiah 59), Jeremiah 22:15, * Isaiah 58,

2Samuel 8:15, 1Kings 10:9, Ezekiel 45:9, Micah 6:8,

We even as 1 person can bring justice, mercy, truth, hope, deliverance, through faith, endurance, prayer, action & being a living example

Romans 1:17, James 2, Hebrews 11, 2Corinthians 5:7, Mark 11:22-26,

We are called to bring Justice, Judgement, Mercy.

Ecclesiastes 5:8, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 6,

Psalms 102:17, * James 5,

Hopefully these are helpful, please share these scriptures with those whom you feel led as a tool

Daniel 7:27

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, SHALL BE GIVEN to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall serve and obey him.

Daniel 6:26

I make a decree, That in every DOMINION of my KINGDOM- men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and HIS KINGDOM that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

John 18:36

Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

***** Luke 17:21*****

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

Luke 21:10

Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

[mishael: every nation on earth is called, a kingdom. But none is called THE kingdom.

Gods kingdom exists in heaven and within every born again believer in Jesus Christ.

JOHN 3:3, 5. Jesus's own words about the ONE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Dear Ren

Please read Matthew 24:36-44. Pay attention to verses 38 and 39. (Also Luke 17:26-27). Jesus says in simple words that on the day He comes people will deal with their everyday works just as another ordinary day in this world. So it is obvious that that day can not be at the end of the week (7 years) that the antichrist will rule on earth because at that time catastrophies, disasters, word war, hunger and death (tribulation) will happen on earth. People will be frightened to death of the happenings to come on earth.(See Luke 21:25-27).They are not ordinary times when people have their everyday life. Jesus talks about some other time that life on earth is normal with people doing their normal activities.

Please read Luke 21:34-35 Jesus warns us, His disciples, to be careful to be ready when He comes and not to allow cares of this life to make us loose and unprepared. But we know in Revelation people will have to put on themselves the mark 666 so to be able to buy and sell. How is then possible for christians to care for things in this world? During the time of antichrist christians will hide to save their lives from the beast. they will be slaughtered. So the coming of Jesus to grab His church is a different day from the day He comes with His saints and angels to beat the army of antichrist in the fight of Armagedon. It precedes tribulation, it is still a good time.. So when is that time that Jesus comes to grab His church? Read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Pay attention to verses 6, 7 and 8. Here it says that the antichrist will not appear until somebody who prevents him is taken out of this world. The most usual explanation is that "he to be taken out" is the Holly Spirit. And since the church can not exist without the Holly Spirit, the church has to go as well. Satan can not rule on earth as long as the church is in the world. We have authority on him. Many can be said but not in a post.

GBU

Kay, you can keep better track of events within trumpets 5-6-7:

The fifth trumpet began tribulation: Rev 9:1-11 "Immediately after" comes the day of the Lord strike. The 144,000 saints are sealed from death, prior.

The sixth trumpet ( Mat 24:29) begins great tribulation: day of the Lord, Babylon falls; Ezekiel 21:1-5 both righteous and wicked are "taken"; Luke 17:34-37, the "taken" are dead, not raptured.

The seventh trumpet ( Mat 24:30-31) brings Jesus Messiah and his resurrected army of 144,000 saints to Mount Olive, Revelation 14:1

After the 1,000 years: 2nd resurrection.

There is no free ticket out. Too many confuse the saints' narrative with their own. Humans will leave the earth hanging from a thread, and they want right back in before the saints can clean it up? The McDonald pushed rapture doctrine is an aberration to the Word of God, yet so accepted in society. It's one of the first things a beginner learns; it's a mockery.

JESUS said that we must not work for money and wealth and that God would provide our needs Matthew 6:19-33 and john 6:27

He told us to sell all

Luke 11:41 to the pharisees

Luke 12:33 to the disciples

Luke 14:33 to the multitudes

Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:16-30 to the rich guy

And his disciples approve

Acts 2:44-45

Acts 4:33-34

Luke 18:28-30

Matthew 4:18-24

But who will go to heaven

Jesus and Jacob give us a hint

Luke 18:24-25

Mark 10:17-31

Matthew 5:3

Luke 6:20

James 2:5

But where does that put the rich?

Luke 6:24-25

James 5:1-3

What is the root of all evil?

1 timothy 6:10

Genesis 3

Are we to live under the curse or are we set free by God through Jesus? Because he broke every curse including this one:

Genesis 3:17-19

Should we end in the midst of the Sodomites?

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Luke 17:28

But there are days ahead that we would need to learn to trust in Yahweh for Manna his heavenly bread because the mark of the beast is the last form of money as a chip

Revelation 13

But if we learn to do these things that Jesus taught we might survive and prevail.

On and off for a few weeks, Luke 17:32 has been coming to my heart, being quickened to me by the Holy Spirit:

"Remember Lot's wife."

Several times when it came, I'd think on it for a bit - but truly didn't 'get' any further instruction on it - until two days ago.

I was working around the house - and the Holy Spirit AGAIN brought that verse to my mind - but this last time, He

started instructing me.

He laid on my heart that there are some professing Christians who, in the midst of these hard times are looking BACK. They long for the 'good old days'; they long for a better economy, better jobs, lower prices, opportunities to have fun, travel...you know....'normal' American or western life.

These are dangerously committing the sin of Lot's wife, and are in danger of similar judgment. They are heedless, forgetting Christ's warning for such a time as this!!!

Those believers who are looking ahead, looking unto Jesus, looking for the glory yet to be revealed, looking for His coming

don't look back and hanker after 'what was' - but yearn for what lies ahead...Like Paul the apostle, they FORGET what is BEHIND

and press toward what is ahead, their faces forward.

They are believers who count all dung in comparison to knowing Christ, and are constantly hungering after Him; they are those who love His appearing and long to hasten the day; they are those who could care less if the 'good old days' come back or not - because they are not worldlings; who want 'their best life now", in this present time and place; they understand that their citizenship is in heaven, and that is their true home.

What kind of believers are we, then, in view of this dear sisters and brothers? We need to ask ourselves TODAY, while it is yet TODAY - which direction are our faces pointed? Looking back? Or looking forward? SELAH.

Luke 17:5-6

Guy,

In Luke 17:37, Jesus is talking about that day when people are going to gather together in the Valley outside of Jerusalem to fight against Christ at His coming. Remember the birds are going to be called in to feed on their carcasses. These people have been drawn out into the battle. So He is talking about His day.

I would like some clarification on verse 37, if possible. Thank you.

Psalms 24:1, Luke 17:21,

Psalms 82:6, 1Corinthians 8:5, John 10:34,35, Luke 17:1-10, Matthew 18:4-20,

Matthew 25:31-46,

I'm not sure what you're saying, but it seems to me you have so much disputting around you, you feel it's spiritual attack "jump on" you.

1st , Matthew 5:10-16, Luke 12:52,53, * 1Peter 4,

2nd, Ephesians 6:11-18, Matthew 10:1, Mark 9:28,29, Matthew 17:21,

3rd Matthew 10:8-42, Matthew 12:30, Matthew 26:55,59, Matthew 27:1, Mark 3:6, Mark 13:9-13,

4tu, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5, Psalms 37,

5th, Mark 11:25, Matthew 6:47-49, Luke 17:3,4,

Even Jesus had to stop disputes with believers : John 12:7,

2 Corinthians 12:2 The third heaven is our eternal home as children of the Most High God. It's the city where the Lamb is the light, where tears are never shed and goodbyes are never uttered. It is the dwelling place of God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ and the sons of God. It is spiritual unseen. It is Our real home. Luke 17:21

Richard,

The end-times are strictly 5-6-7 seals and trumpets that unfold within a generation. We're staring down the sixth seal/sixth trumpet, our demise, not past seals that don't apply. The context is off.

There are resurrections, but no man made "rapture", Ezekiel 21:1-4 "both the righteous and the wicked die". Luke 17:34-37 "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together"; they are dead.

Revelation 6:9-11 The fifth seal saints were told when their brethren, the 144,000 Revelation 11:7 who died like they did; that judgment of those on the earth will be done at the seventh trumpet when time is up. They OT saints were told to rest "a little season", which lasts from the fifth seal through the seventh trumpet. At the end of the thousand years, the devil is loosed "a little season" as well, Revelation 20:3 God and satan have balance because the devil is a counterfeiter.

Daniel 9:27 is about the last week of the 70 week prophesy.

Jesus received 3.5 years of power the first half of the week and was cut off in the MIDST of the week. Then, at the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord, comes a beast surprise attack on Israel (both houses), at which time anti-christ places the abomination that makes desolate (nuclear for one, invasion for the other), beginning his 3.5 year reign of terror. At the seventh trumpet, Jesus Messiah is standing on Mount Zion with His army of resurrected saints.

Turkey, by description, is one of 3 nations in the beasts confederacy that gets plucked up by anti-christ. He takes the nations surrounding Israel, and ironically, mirroring the 'greater Israel project'.

The fifth trumpet started tribulation

The sixth trumpet starts the great tribulation.

The seventh trumpet Jesus, returns to destroy the sixth trumpet army.

(Originally posted under wrong verse, should be Hebrews 11:5-7)

Enoch

Genesis 5:21-22

Hebrews 11:5-6

Jude 1:14-15

Noah

Genesis 6:1 through Genesis 9:29

Matthew 24:37-39

Luke 17:26-30

Hebrews 11:7

1 Peter 3:19-20

2 Peter 2:5

2 Peter 3:3-7

Whether or not a person acknowledges it, Enoch and Noah are fathers to every man, woman and child living today. However, without saving faith they will only be fathers according to the flesh to our generation. That genetic relationship will be undeniably proven before God, but it will not only profit us nothing, it will actually make anyone in our generation more guilty than the people in theirs if they mock or ignore the testimony concerning them in these last days without repenting and believing in Jesus Christ as they did. We need to carefully consider and draw both encouragement and warning from their examples of faith if we want to share any of the benefits of the heritage they have left us.

Jesus Christ is the one who will catch us up to be with Him, like He did Enoch, if we are confirmed by the Holy Spirit to be those who please Him and His Father. He is also the unexpected Bridegroom who will close the wedding feast door that lets in the prepared wise virgins but shuts out the unprepared foolish virgins where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, like He closed the door of the Ark that Noah prepared behind him and his household, shutting out those who were unprepared outside.

Although no one should count on it, if in His grace the Father continues to patiently wait beyond our short lives to send Christ with His holy angels for the final harvest, we still must hold to the fear of the LORD we see in these two ancestors of ours and uphold their testimony so that we may be partakers with them in the pleasure the Father has in their faith and the faith of all those mentioned in this chapter of Hebrews. That is one of the ways we will be able to add our own testimony of faith to theirs.

Roman,

"... as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. They...(ate, drank and married)... until THE DAY that Noah entered the Ark, and the flood came, and destroyed THEM ALL. (The sinners are not destroyed 1,000 years later)

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; ... THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from Heaven, and destroyed THEM ALL.

Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of Man is revealed."

Luke 17:26-30

And when is He revealed?

AFTER the Great Tribulation, on the LAST DAY of this world, NOT 1,000 years later.

Mt. 24:29-31

John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24; 12:48

"... the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, ...cast into the sea, ...When it was full, they ... gathered the good into vessels, but CAST THE BAD AWAY. (They didn't SAVE the bad for 1,000 years.)

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and SEVER THE WICKED from among the just, and shall CAST THEM INTO THE FURNACE OF FIRE: ..."

Mat. 13:47-50

The wicked will be SEVERED from the just on THE DAY that Jesus returns, and they will be destroyed along with the rest of the earth.

Isaiah 13:9-11

You mentioned something about this next passage, the order of the firstfruits?:

"...they that are Christ's at His coming. (shall be made alive) Then COMETH THE END, when He shall have DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, even the Father; WHEN HE SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN ALL RULE and all authority and power."

1 Cor. 15:22-24

And why does Jesus hand over HIS kingdom to the Father on the SAME DAY that He returns? BECAUSE IT WAS HIS KINGDOM from the time of the Cross until His return. He does NOT hand it over 1,000 years AFTER His return.

To add to discussion. In a Country where people are subject to a King & Governors in Monarchy I can see where, 1 Peter 2:13,14,may apply a little more directly. but please read, 1 Peter 2:12-25, Please note: 1 Peter 2:19, even here "in good conscience toward GOD endure grief, suffering wrongfully" interesting words Con= opposing, Science...? GOD is GREAT!

There are many differences in Todays Governments.

We here in The USA are not "subjects" in our Declaration of Independence & Constitutional documents Federal & ALL States; we clearly do away with that. If you're in USA we Are The People, One Nation Under GOD. The Governing authority is ours, & it is our duty to act against Tyranny.

Side not: Recently I've received emails stating The US Supreme Court has blocked the "mandate" against a (governing agency to force companies to require vax) the Virginia Governor sworn in Sat. Jan.15, 2022. 1st Executive Orders, eliminate those regulatory wrongs even within schools. These past difficult tyrannical years should teach us to be wise for the future.

If we receive anything to save ourselves be careful = Luke 9:24, Mark 8:35, Matthew 16:25, Luke 17:33,

Hopefully this is helpful in your discussion.