Just as things start of in a subtle form on the road to destruction; Godly wisdom is something not learned in a day but has a massive implication in our life story when we implement healthy fellowship as friends.
The principle also is applicable to the Great Commission in making disciples. A convert can be made in a day but is tested through time and sadly; "iron sharpening iron" ( Proverbs 27:27) is sorely lacking today. I think I can pretty dogmatically state this fact.
As the person who led me to counselling said (he has since passed) everything is a form of worship; and he brought up intimacy in marriage as an example. This is a man who was serious follower of Christ and at his funeral I found out he was preaching when Idi Amin was in Uganda and people were rounded up and possibly killed in the building next to him. For those who live in Western PA this man was fairly well known but for the sake of this page and not to put undo emphasis on the notoriety of a person I leave it anonymous. My point is that we tend to compartmentalize or "spiritualize" certain exercises and say "well this part of my day/week is worship; this time is for my family; for my kids; for me; etc. That is probably in accordance with the logic that "Christ is the center of our lives" which from what I am seeing online doesn't have a single source of origin.
Well; you may ask what is the problem with that? Well I may pose questions like this and not give the answer but I'm on a roll now and will say Christ IS our life-get it? He is either the Lord of all or nothing at all which I thought was a C.S. Lewis quote but can't find it. Anyway you get the point here. If God isn't involved with a part of our life we are at best ignorant or at worst defiant and selfishly want a part of our lives to ourselves. If not against God willfully we can think God is boring and not interested in our entertainment; hobbies and interest.
I am asking for wisdom. I plan to go one more time back to some property I purchased in a rural area and hopefully it is going to be hooked up to electricity soon. I have 2 options; and it seems the first of spending most of the time there and only occasionally maintaining the house here may be the best option merely as a survival mindset. Scriptures do state such as this one A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished. ( Proverbs 27:12 I think).
Unfortunately my city would likely be a target should a major conflagration come. It seems that will be a matter of weeks away the way things are going. The other option is staying here and risking the all too likely scenario that society will shut down completely based on what is coming (and that could come from several things) and it will be too late to go anywhere if one should survive the worst case scenario.
I have a couple things to do the next couple days; and after that some time that I could get away. I feel the Lord would have to show me something specific or things would have to sufficiently change to feel safe here; but again of course it is hard to deal with everything we read and see.
I am trying to get some help with a couple of chronic health issues; I won't get into all the details at present. There are certain times that seem more critical than others; again though I'm sure the enemy would have destroyed everything by now if the Lord weren't restraining things.
I am worn down as many of us are. One of the hardest things to deal with is the apathy that I've seen in my church; no one seems particularly burdened with what is to come. Obsessing admittedly is something I don't want to do but it is hard to pray when no one is in agreement. There is media spin on all these wars and such; I believe prayer can still be effective but no one seems convicted; that's how I've seen it.
1 Samuel - The Power of Prayer. Now, without prayer, things have only gotten worse.
Note: May the Lord grant the desire of your heart. Of course, in alignment with His will - it's always good to make that clear here.
The book of 1 Samuel marks and records the transition from the period of the judges to the period of the kings, right?
This change in Israel's life revolves mainly around three men: Samuel, Saul, and David.
And Samuel was the last judge of Israel- I learned that in Sunday School.
1 Now there was a certaine man of Ramathaim Zophim, of mount Ephraim, & his name was Elkanah, the sonne of Ieroham, the sonne of Elihu, the sonne of Tohu, the sonne of Zuph, an Ephrathite;
2 And he had two wiues, the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah: and Peninnah had children, but Hannah had no children.
So, the law at that time allowed that, so that a family wouldn't be left without descendants - the husband could take another woman, a second wife, to bear children for him. In that culture, this was permitted. But Elkanah brought a huge problem into his own home. Because not everything that is allowed is actually good. It doesn't mean it's going to work out. And so, he brought a serious problem into his household.
proverbs 27:5-6, Galatians 6:1, Matthew 18:15
Note: this is for us believers. I believe we are repentant sinners, we have to be.
The end of the last post ran out of room (what else is new)
Anyway; the Catholic church made these decisions back in 1969 to remove certain individuals from who they would say are definitely saints. We have to take care that those attributed to miraculous signs that are anything besides scripture aren't some imaginary persona. Even Mary from the Bible was elevated beyond where she should be and that occurs in other places besides the Catholic church. Peter is known to be a "saint" as are all who are Born Again in reality; but surely not to be worshipped as he made many mistakes including in Galatians where he had to be publicly rebuked by Paul for insisting on following Jewish customs.
Again; this sort of idolizing of long deceased individuals all too easily allows demons to impersonate people or manifest some sort of "miraculous" sign.
I need to note that along with total control false prophets or cult leaders will at times credit their followers for miraculous things happening as well; no doubt a sort of self fulfilling prophecy as their actions only that bring exaltation to the leader are venerated. Free thinking or criticism is never an option; whereas those of the Lord are encouraged as "iron sharpens iron" to build each other up. (see Proverbs 27:17). Also faithful are the wounds of a friend ( Proverbs 27:6). Probably a good idea to read all of Proverbs 27 I would think...
Scripture should never; therefore be read as a curiosity; we may start off in ignorance but in faithful service to the King we need to mature and realize that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. There is no place for going beyond scripture. If there is a prophetic utterance scripture is the buttress and on this side of the Rapture and beyond the completion of the Bible things are at best subject to change or delay. Repentance for now allows for conditional predictions; nothing is complete until Revelation as to the fate of nations.
James 4:13 - Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
Go to now, ye that say, and there are five things:
To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
That's presumption! There are five things. Number 1, concerning the date. To day or to morrow. Secondly the place. We will go into such a city. The Greek text denotes that there's a specific city as if they're looking at a map and they've got their finger on it. It's not just any old city. They've already got their city targeted.
Thirdly concerning time. We will continue there for a year. Fourthly the activity. We will buy and sell. Buy and sell is one Greek word (EMPOREUSOMETHA) and it's where we get our word emporium from. And fifthly the goal. And get gain, meaning make money.
That is the confession of presumption. It just means that the person believes that he is in control of his own life. I can pick what day I'm going to go, where I'm going to go, how long I'm going to spend there, what activity I'm going to do, and what my goal is when I go. That is presumption. It's presuming that's the way things are going to be.
In Proverbs 27:1, it says boast not thyself of tomorrow, for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth. We have no idea what God's will is. Even if we think we know, we have no idea what God's will is for today or even tomorrow.
But who knows what going to happen? Who knows if I'm going to reach my goal or do the things I think I need to do? It's very presumptuous to think that a person's going to control their own life, and this is the way it's going to go. Does it sound familiar? That's what we do. We plan our day!
All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. (verse 8).
This verse is similar to other verses in chapter 4, 5 and 6 of this same book. Also see Proverbs 27:20.
Verses 9-11
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
These verses demonstrate that historical patterns of agriculture; warfare and technology which seem novel are not limited to today's societies which archaeological evidence is continually revealing. It appears; in fact that many structures such as the pyramids in Egypt and around the world involved advanced technology likely due to the offspring mentioned in Genesis 6.
Verse 11 therefore is perhaps different with discoveries of ancient writings; scientific dating and genealogical studies for example; but the idea here is that such information simply isn't relateable to those in the here and now and no one cares about the individuals of the past or will care about us in the future in general. If someone isn't famous which is the case for the vast majority of humanity then we can only understand general trends in society or perhaps individual physical characteristics but not the soul of the person.
Verse 12 repeats the comment about Solomon being King of Israel; and the end of the next passage of thought is in verses 17-18
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. We are reminded of 2 Cor. 7:10 and 1 Cor. 1:21.
Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Matthew 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
"Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth." ( Ephesians 4:28).
These verses show that our actions should be part of what we verbally confess in order to bring restoration to those we have offended. THere are cases like with Paul where Barnabus stated in Acts 9:27 But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles and declared to them how on the road he had seen the Lord, who spoke to him, and how at Damascus he had preached boldly in the name of Jesus. This reminds us of the verse Proverbs 27:2 where another is to praise us rather than promotion of ourselves. In this case the early believers had to hear it from someone other than Paul himself for no doubt they feared he would entrap them and were doubtful that he was truly converted. This could be compared in some ways with a convicted criminal who sincerely is apologetic with a family of a victim when he has nothing to gain for himself-anyone can repent and part of OUR repentance is showing God's love toward those who offended us.
Repentance also involves a permanent turn from sin and not replacing one sin for another. This is one danger of those who say that they have a demon of "lust" or some other specific manifestation. The enemy will substitute one temptation for another; that is clear from the verses of Christ's temptation to go from satisfying hunger; to being suicidal and worshipping the Devil rather than God. We need to repent from actions and the lifestyle that leads to the broad road or directly to sin
Proverbs 27:5 states that open rebuke is better than hidden love. Ideally; of course we should take a brother aside and express concern if it appears sin is having a negative affect on their witness. The opposite of confronting in love is likely gossip.
The world often looks for inconsistency in the lives of those proclaiming Christ. Thus; we may say that the first part of those who wish to undertake discipleship as a ministry is to have our own lives in order. Such actions early on in our walk should have given us sufficient experience with relationships that went south because we no longer wanted to go party with our friends and watch unseemly and unedifying programs on TV as two examples. As a test I recommend talking about the Lord; prayer and scripture reading with those who are in our local fellowship and after a few weeks see if we are invited out to eat after the service or to someone's house as much as we are used to. This is also part of discipline; we find out much of our time is spent alone if we sincerely want to be as iron sharpening iron ( Proverbs 27:17 interestingly in the same chapter as the previous quoted verse).
Such a challenge could easily be part of evangelism as well; since many will profess Christ. It may be easier; in fact to get through to someone outside their normal social circles where they don't have to keep up appearances.
I probably should have included this in my Gospel for Dummies post. Should we encourage NON believers to get away from sin when sharing the Gospel? The answer I would say is yes; albeit the principal thing is coming to Christ. Repentance MUST be preached however; the Spirit must move someone to desiring to follow God and grants repentance according to scripture ( Acts 5:31 and several other scriptures). Nonetheless certain sins in particular can kill us so we should warn people to flee fornication; for example.
Time is a big cost of discipleship and few spare it.
Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
We are all probably familiar with the verse stating that pride comes before a fall. In a comprehensive study of the Word; I am not aware of anywhere where God says He is proud of someone; however on a human level it builds character for a father to show such a reaction to a son who is obedient and the same can be said for anyone who can be acknowledged for displaying fruits of the Spirit in their lives as we try to build up each other through encouragement. The idea here is that the greater authority on a human level is generally the one giving out such praises; although surely those who are in authority could be viewed that way when demonstrating exemplary courage under persecution; for instance.
The verse above surely shows we should NOT desire self promotion as it relates to the way of this current world system. If we expand this concept to saying we are "proud to be an American" then we have to ask ourselves the question what is it that we are proud of? Is it the forefathers and those of this generation who died to secure our continuing freedom; or is it our prosperity and influence in the world? Is it indeed our freedom to worship God without widespread persecution or is it that we are free to engage in all sorts of debauchery and worldly pleasures because we aren't slaves in a caste system or a totalitarian regime or a fanatical religious caliphate? Pride about any sin is abhorrent to God; and before we bash those who have obvious deviant lifestyles we have to look at ourselves to determine what secret sins we harbor.
If we look at Lucifer; for example at face value we would see a most beautiful and talented worship leader who God had exalted into a place of great importance through musical intrinsic abilities and other attributes. Such glory itself only became ugly when the focus turned to himself rather than God.
In relation to my last posting; I may have mentioned that I had an opportunity to challenge my dad to ask God to deliver him from his many years of anger and said Christ delivered me from that. Not much reaction from him; I can only trust God has him where someone can witness to him as I have done all I can living with him. I did want to say that I plan to visit weekly while I'm in the area and once a month even if I do move away so likely will keep the house if I can; if not will stay locally in air b and b; etc.
Tonight among other things discussing 1 Peter we got into the subject of holiness in the lives of believers. Something in my mind which reminds me of Proverbs 27:2 where another is to praise you not yourself; I mentioned this to my dad in a letter from 2013.
Some of my thoughts are this; all saints are holy in some capacity. The fact that the Spirit resides in us of course has to be a reality as many are hypocritical and there are many tares among the wheat. I would say that holiness is both what 1 Peter describes in being "sober minded" as well as the overall growth of the "inner man".
Thinking of a friend of mine from a few years back; I could discern that indeed the Spirit was present in him; but he struggled with some obvious sins; which he was much more open and vocal about than most people I know. The advice therefore for someone who is as the Corinthians immature but still in the faith is as iron sharpening iron; exhortation and rebuke should be part of any deep friendship if we are truly concerned for our fellow believers welfare. Sometimes saying nothing and praying for the Spirit to convict is the best action in that case as well. Ultimately until we are certain someone is producing fruits worthy of repentance we can't spend all our time or go beyond what the Lord wills to try to "convince" someone.
Often lack of spiritual balance and a need to learn from others in the Body of Christ is in order. more in next posting
I am very zealous for the Word of my GOD, He is the Truth, so I need to clarify I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, So, having read your reply, I ask: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I told you the Truth?
In fact, the correct translation of Genesis 1:1 is not heaven(singular),but heavens(plural), according was said and revealed by own GOD to Moses. So for your own good and also of all readers here, and elsewhere, what matters and prevails is what GOD said to Moses, that is the original and true source. What did GOD reveal about heaven/heavens around 2500 years after Adam or 1500 years BC, and Moses wrote, it is as follows:
Genesis - Chapter 1-2 - torah
Verse 1-In the beginning of GOD's creation of the heavens and the earth.
Verse 2-Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of GOD was hovering over the face of the water.
By the way, heaven is a plant, understand? planted by GOD: Isaiah 51:16 combined with Ephesians 1:3-8, among many other biblical references.
16 -> And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
You called me rude, no poblem, it is the consequence of my zealous for the Word of GOD, the Truth. What does the Word of GOD say? Proverbs 27:6->Faithful are the wounds of a friend(or by who loves); but the kisses(something like panegyrize) of an enemy(of who annoy) are deceitful.
2Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of GOD may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
I have read the two comments so far; and will take into advisement a short leave from this site to reevaluate whether my comments are at this point bringing discouragement to others in admitted struggles that I mentioned today. If my lack of maturity is too transparent or overpowering any edifying things then I guess I have to leave it to those more mature in their walk to be an encouragement to others. There are a couple things I wanted to make clear however.
First; I wasn't trying to give some sort of game plan to get through the Tribulation; just was attempting to foresee the evil that is to come as Proverbs 27:12 states which is ahead before the Rapture; if we hold to a PreTrib mentality. As to the subject of self defense or not; I would ask people to look realistically at scripture rather than having a one size fits all concept. ( Luke 22:36 as one example). If we must die as martyrs we must rely on the Spirit. I truly look up to those who are sold out enough that they are prepared to die at any time in their boldness witnessing; perhaps sharing what is inherent to all men who allow their old nature to rise up isn't helpful. I will once again appeal to the scriptures as Christ did with Peter in Matthew 26:33-34.
We also face an array of unknown variables. Just tonight there is news not necessarily in mainstream of 12 major ships of ours in the Mediterranean; as well as the largest oil refinery in Russia ablaze. When surprises happen I hope that most on this site at least are prepared; in the church at large I am doubtful.
I did stray from heavy scriptural references as I occasionally do on a topic. I have been blessed with being able to get into most subject matters that have been on my heart for decades in the last couple of years here. Perhaps I need to consider ending these posts permanently; but as with anything I don't like being hasty.
In light of the Great Commission at the end of Matthew 28; it is easy (at least for myself) to ignore the implications of us as a BODY in Christ doing the work of laboring. Again; I have stated in earlier posts that since I moved back home with my folks I am not surrounded by those who regularly go on the streets. As for now I am considering returning to the Nursing Homes in my area but apparently with COVID rampant that will have to wait at least a month or so.
My past experience sharing the Gospel with others has often provided good opportunities for discussion among the believers I am out with as well as other believers encountered on the streets and elsewhere. Of course we also have opportunity as Proverbs 27:17 states to sharpen one another as iron sharpens iron. Prayer is an investment to see growth in a local church; and I am seeing signs people are making more effort in my local congregation with seeing more teenagers and kids activities available. I have noticed in my home state (let's just say in the Northeast) at least there seems to be few youth groups for teenagers as there used to be 30 or 40 years ago and I would assume this is a larger issue; but was informed down south (specifically Texas) things were different.
In reality we can do janitorial work and be using a gift of service; or with a skill we have help someone with home repairs or moving (as I did quite often a few years back before I moved back here). In fact at my first church where they had youth group in large numbers I remember a service project day when we were randomly asked to do something for a few hours for someone else (I think someone helped wash my car).
In general we should seek the Lord to see what He would want us to do; and of course Pastors and elders should assist in these plans (for example all night prayer; fasting and the like). One big question is are we READY to see God answer such prayers should attendance increase?
"Hello brother Spencer, Good evening! Thinking of doctrine, the Church practice of
giving and taking reproof by love maybe is part of what you are thinking? Church discipline and restoration?
God bless the walk.
Brother Carleton, That I absolutely agree with! However, that is not in the context of this message.
This message is more in line with Jude 1:3-4 with the focus on what is mentioned in verse 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares,"
This has the thought of some has come into the fold sort of like through a back door.
Jude 1:10-15. He describes them. They are not Brothern. They are not Sheep.
As for "A Holy kiss.
Does the bible say greet "them" with a Holy kiss? No, I don't think so.
Romans 10:8-10 says the words is ni thy mouth.
These words is what we can confess to others if asked by what means are you saved.
However, what about the guy whom from his heart "by his mouth" speaks against truth?
We don't judge his present spiritual condition; he's done it ALREADY by refusing to believe and enter in the straight and narrow gate. See Matthew 7:13-15. and John 3:18.
What do these verses concerning a Holy kiss have in common? This Holy kiss is for the Brothern.
1 Corinthians 16:20.
2 Corinthians 13:11-12.
1 Thessalonians 5:26.
Romans 16:16.
The Holy kiss wasn't only meant to express love for the Brothern.
The Holy kiss is meant to express acceptance especially at a time when Gentiles was coming into the fold.
It certainly wasn't for non-believers.
Look at 2 John1:10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.
Also see Romans 16:17-18.
Does open rebuke harm a brother?
Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:5-6.
John 17:17 involves Christ's prayer for us to be sanctified; and involves His Word and the truth. James 1:23 and 24 reminds us that we need to be "doers"; and he compares a man in front of a mirror forgetting what he looks like as an example. I am not sure of the context; but I would also quote the verse from Hebrews 10:25 in this posting. The first passage shows the danger of ignoring our own walk; possibly showing us how we forget what we say; or invoking a memory that we are still with a fallen nature; the second passage also shows how forgetting to do corporate worship can also make us forget the experience.
I state this fact first because I find that no matter how long I learn the scriptures; grow in wisdom and understanding; etc. that it is in the fellowship of the saints where I once again recognize God's presence; and witness anew those with different gifts.
The danger of being prideful as to our own continued growth; particularly when it comes to learning things from other believers is one important reason to continue in regular church attendance as well as; of course witnessing with fellow believers; small groups; corporate prayer; etc.
The fact is; that as long as we dwell in this mortal flesh; there is potential to fall into sin. This is one reason we need to be careful not to idolize someone who appears to be someone mature in the faith. On the other hand; it is imperative to have others such as Paul with Timothy or Christ with the Disciples for instruction and discipleship; as "iron sharpens iron" ( Prov. 27:17). Proverbs 27:6 states "faithful are the wounds of a friend." Surely this sort of relationship is rare and needed in the church today.
As a father with a child; instruction in righteousness should bring us to maturity in our own spiritual walk so that we can go out and make Disciples ourselves as Christ instructed ( Matt. 28:19-20). We need to get beyond "decisions" for Christ that way.
This is likely because it is talking about God chastising his own (or His servants); He "scourges every son that He receives" as well as chastising them ( Hebrews 12:6). Better are the wounds of a friend than the kisses of an enemy ( Proverbs 27:6).
We see what appears in Luke to be a discussion of those fellowservants who are warning about the coming of the Lord and are "beaten by their fellow servants" ( Luke 12:45). We see that verse 39 and 46 indicate a house being "broken into" and verse 46 talks about being assigned in a place with the hypocrites and cut into pieces. That would be metaphorical language fitting into missing the Rapture; and going through the fire of the Tribulation from the way I see it.
Isaiah 10:5-6 discusses the "Assyrian" God's method of chastisement (one code word for Antichrist) who is used to judge a "hypocritical nation." Hence there is ample reason to at least ascribe this message to Israel as a rebellious nation who doesn't recognize their King until they realize that the one they trusted in turns against them.
There are ignorant people in churches today who God may still save or make their garments white in the Tribulation. Whether these are left behind believers or new believers as part of the witnessing campaign of the 144,000 it is martyrdom that is the test of all who truly believe in Christ. Those who know better and yet are truly His own of course (as with teachers) have a greater responsibility; hence the Lord will have to deal with them more harshly. I look at the Tribulation as being a massive campaign by God for fruit production; which He will get one way or another to His satisfaction. The word Tribulation apparently is related to "Tribulum" or the wheat being ripened and harvested rapidly in the blistering sun. It is good to look at such events in relation to the big picture; the worst persecution brings the greatest glory; and will be used to turn Israel back to the true Savior ( Zech 12:12; Rev. 1:7).
Today in Sunday school; the discussion came up about finishing the race well and the verse 1 Corinthians 11:1 or another to that affect was pondered. One participant stated that she would like that to be true for her and her children and grandchildren on imitating the example set forth. Further delving into the matter of those with integrity in scripture (there are many) brought up the examples of Isaiah and Jeremiah the "weeping" prophet. I thought of Jeremiah in Lamentations and the parallel to Christ in the New Testament weeping over Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37. We need to balance the hard truths such as the excoriation of the Pharisees and the prophets warnings to Israel and the collateral damage inevitably to result with the fact that when calamity did strike the Prophets would mourn and suffer; understanding God's own sentiments toward such things. That is brought out quite effectively with Hosea and the judgments to come on Ephriam such as in chapter 11 verse 8. In fact; in the prophet's personal life with his unfaithful wife he had to purchase again as well as with eventual reconciliation with Israel mentioned in earlier chapters we see past what many consider an unloving Old Testament God with one who doesn't have any joy in the destruction of the wicked ( Ezekiel 18:23).
In this discussion of the "goodness and severity of God" ( Romans 11:22) we can apply these principles to the discipling efforts that elders are commissioned to be part of along with the rest of the congregation. Open rebuke is better than hidden love ( Proverbs 27:5). There is too much laxity in such matters today from my vantage point. Let's be honest; we are more likely to take a rebuke to heart than some meaningless compliment and retain such in our memory. That can be true for something said in an insensitive manner; but most times we can at least apply some truth from the Word in our lives and respect the messenger.
John 8:36 assures us that with the Son we are "free indeed". Freedom; in short is opposite of what the world follows as we are slaves or bondservants of Christ ( 1 Cor. 4; 7). To follow the prince of this world and all its temporary pleasures is, in reality; a dead end whereas His riches in glory for those who love Him are eternal for those saints which are already seated with Him in "heavenly places." ( Eph. 2:6).
When seeking His will and petitioning prayers; it is His Covenant promises which we can tenaciously proclaim as it is His binding contract with His people that He has made with His good pleasure. This is certainly different than just seeking those things that seem most convenient to make us more comfortable in this life. It truly is best when His life is the guide to our lives and He can be the "captain" of our salvation ( Hebrews 2:10). It is this or being shipwrecked; as it were which is a warning for those who fall away ( 1 Timothy 1:9 as a general admonition along with specific individuals in other Pauline writings).
It is helpful, therefore to have brothers more mature in the faith as "iron sharpens iron." ( Proverbs 27:17). We should also have our individual walk grow to maturity with our quiet times; prayer life and devotionals. John 6:45 shows that we shall all be taught of God; so we should learn to discern His voice from the cacaphony that rings in our ears.
As adopted sons of God ( Gal. 4:5) we are granted therefore all the blessings and substance of the inheritance. The eternal riches in Glory certainly outweigh any earthly pleasures ( 2 Cor. 4:17). We should strive therefore to remain steadfast and remain in His will. The flesh is dying daily in terms of the outward man (see previous verse 16) but the inward man is being conformed to His image. (see Romans 12:2). To deny ungodliness is true freedom ( Titus 2:12) despite our natural affections that seem to indicate the contrary.
Spiritual Discernment part 5: The Holy Spirit at work
The discernment of spirits involves detection of God's presence as well as the lack thereof. It is a rare preacher or layperson who would dare to be bold enough to declare that their particular congregation is lukewarm as Christ did of the Laodiceans. Unfortunately; there is too much human praise (such as accolades to Pastors) which in and of itself isn't necessarily wrong; but if it is in the spirit of the world where "what is honorable among men is an abomination to God" ( Luke 16:15 loosely translated). Empty praise we could do without; of course false accusations and and overcritical spirit aren't helpful either. It is; nonetheless being UNloving and not edifying brothers and sisters in Christ if we don't care enough to help them when we can see that they are compromised in some way; we should desire fruit to multiply in others.
We were discussing Pilate's line today with Christ "what is truth"? ( John 18:38). With today's culture tending to have the effect of not wanting to "offend" anyone as its biproduct of downright falsehood; it seems that there is little making us uncomfortable or thinking about the fear of the Lord nowadays. The truth is as a "two edged sword" ( Heb. 4:12). We also need to remember that He comes with a sword to smite the nations and even judge the church in some ways ( Rev. 2:16; Revelation 19). Paul didn't mince words with Peter but openly rebuked him in his hypocricy ( Galatians 2:11-19). Jesus Himself of course was God and able perhaps to be more critical than any of us; but again He rebukes all those He loves ( Heb. 12:6). The words of Proverbs 27:6 discuss the benefits of a rebuke of a friend; and this could be multiplied with many other cross references.
The point here is that if we don't make truth clear and expose error then the cure is worthless at best and perhaps worse than the disease. Any strongholds the enemy has must be dealt with before deliverance.
That; I suppose is an advantage of this type of venue; where no one knows who anyone else really is (unless for some divine purpose someone living in our town is discovered who we happen to run into-would be interesting if I was discussing this blog with someone here in Philly and they said yeah I'm the one who is so and so who read your blog last week).
That being said; of course we are all more shallow in this way without personal contact and fellowship at best. The concept of "confessing our sins to one another" is scriptural. The context certainly applies to when we have offended someone and we are to make it right before offering sacrifice (which I would say is equivalent to Communion or any public worship for that matter). It is also good to have those we are accountable to. Obviously men should be discipling men; women with women. That is another matter; as to how women not only in churches but online forums may try to go beyond discussions and start playing the role of Pastor. It is a touchy issue which I won't delve into any more here.
We need not only to be aware of gossip within the church but about our leaders and any non believers as well. Certain things are known as to transgressions in the public arena but unless we hold it up in prayer it is better to keep quiet. It reminds us of the verse about judging others. Most don't look at the other side of it; we WOULD want mercy to triumph over judgment so we should use that approach with others. That concept is seen in Matthew 18:15-35. We should be ready to forgive our brother and be transparent when we can. Obviously some things are private and certainly a trusted person should be our confidante as it were.
Sadly; the lack of exhortation in churches today and having real conversations make the concept of "iron sharpening iron" a rare concept. The wounds of a friend somehow aren't appreciated ( Proverbs 27:6) with today's shallow associations that result from cliques that gossip.
You may send them here, we can try our best, to answer them. With prayer, I believe we may just give you an answer with wisdom GOD gives us through scripture. James 1:5,
Thank you for reaching out, hopefully we can help Proverbs 27:17,
To add: GOD was able to deliver Noah, Lot, he has a promise & is able to deliver us, HIS children during those days. They weren't taken out of the world, the were there, right in the events, but precisely spared. 2Peter 2, note 2Peter 2:9.
Btw. This website has a search box, top left, under JKV or 1611 that you can search words, phrases even modified search for partial word. If you type Prop in "search bar" on this site. It will come back with "modify search" then, "partial word search" 20 pages to sort through. Then "sort by order" major study, key! You can do this with any study. It should be great to study alongside & with. Proverbs 27:17,
PRIDE AND POWER WAS SATANS UNDOING - In Reply - 3 years ago
Proverbs 11:2 - When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
Proverbs 16:5 - Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Proverbs 29:23 - A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Proverbs 27:2 - Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Romans 12:16 - Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
Mark 7
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
God had really only designated souls (Earthbound) to mankind. Now, does that mean animals should be treated without care or less? By no means.
Proverbs 12:10 - A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
Proverbs 27:23 - Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.
Knowing there is also no mention of a heaven for animals the same. The best you can do (especially if they're your pets) is to treat them with love and care as this is the only side of the grave they were created for. There's something particularly sweet about those who have mercy for God's creation.
I hope you're not feeling attacked, "faithful are the wounds of a friend." Proverbs 27:5-6, I believe we are all still learning, just because we believed something to be true or false previously doesn't mean we always will. The HOLY Spirit is still teaching all of us. The scriptures that are stirring in me the most while reading your discussion are Matthew 7:13-23, Matthew 25:29-30, Matthew 25:31-46, I pray GOD will give us wisdom in these matters. Philippians 2:12-16, Hebrews 10:23-39,
We commonly think of rebuke as an adverse confrontation, but Proverbs 27:5-6 says, "Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses."
For a simple definition, according to the King James Dictionary, rebuke means "To reprimand; strongly warn; restrain."
Just as things start of in a subtle form on the road to destruction; Godly wisdom is something not learned in a day but has a massive implication in our life story when we implement healthy fellowship as friends.
The principle also is applicable to the Great Commission in making disciples. A convert can be made in a day but is tested through time and sadly; "iron sharpening iron" ( Proverbs 27:27) is sorely lacking today. I think I can pretty dogmatically state this fact.
As the person who led me to counselling said (he has since passed) everything is a form of worship; and he brought up intimacy in marriage as an example. This is a man who was serious follower of Christ and at his funeral I found out he was preaching when Idi Amin was in Uganda and people were rounded up and possibly killed in the building next to him. For those who live in Western PA this man was fairly well known but for the sake of this page and not to put undo emphasis on the notoriety of a person I leave it anonymous. My point is that we tend to compartmentalize or "spiritualize" certain exercises and say "well this part of my day/week is worship; this time is for my family; for my kids; for me; etc. That is probably in accordance with the logic that "Christ is the center of our lives" which from what I am seeing online doesn't have a single source of origin.
Well; you may ask what is the problem with that? Well I may pose questions like this and not give the answer but I'm on a roll now and will say Christ IS our life-get it? He is either the Lord of all or nothing at all which I thought was a C.S. Lewis quote but can't find it. Anyway you get the point here. If God isn't involved with a part of our life we are at best ignorant or at worst defiant and selfishly want a part of our lives to ourselves. If not against God willfully we can think God is boring and not interested in our entertainment; hobbies and interest.
Dear readers:
I am asking for wisdom. I plan to go one more time back to some property I purchased in a rural area and hopefully it is going to be hooked up to electricity soon. I have 2 options; and it seems the first of spending most of the time there and only occasionally maintaining the house here may be the best option merely as a survival mindset. Scriptures do state such as this one A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished. ( Proverbs 27:12 I think).
Unfortunately my city would likely be a target should a major conflagration come. It seems that will be a matter of weeks away the way things are going. The other option is staying here and risking the all too likely scenario that society will shut down completely based on what is coming (and that could come from several things) and it will be too late to go anywhere if one should survive the worst case scenario.
I have a couple things to do the next couple days; and after that some time that I could get away. I feel the Lord would have to show me something specific or things would have to sufficiently change to feel safe here; but again of course it is hard to deal with everything we read and see.
I am trying to get some help with a couple of chronic health issues; I won't get into all the details at present. There are certain times that seem more critical than others; again though I'm sure the enemy would have destroyed everything by now if the Lord weren't restraining things.
I am worn down as many of us are. One of the hardest things to deal with is the apathy that I've seen in my church; no one seems particularly burdened with what is to come. Obsessing admittedly is something I don't want to do but it is hard to pray when no one is in agreement. There is media spin on all these wars and such; I believe prayer can still be effective but no one seems convicted; that's how I've seen it.
Agape; RP
Note: May the Lord grant the desire of your heart. Of course, in alignment with His will - it's always good to make that clear here.
The book of 1 Samuel marks and records the transition from the period of the judges to the period of the kings, right?
This change in Israel's life revolves mainly around three men: Samuel, Saul, and David.
And Samuel was the last judge of Israel- I learned that in Sunday School.
1 Now there was a certaine man of Ramathaim Zophim, of mount Ephraim, & his name was Elkanah, the sonne of Ieroham, the sonne of Elihu, the sonne of Tohu, the sonne of Zuph, an Ephrathite;
2 And he had two wiues, the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah: and Peninnah had children, but Hannah had no children.
So, the law at that time allowed that, so that a family wouldn't be left without descendants - the husband could take another woman, a second wife, to bear children for him. In that culture, this was permitted. But Elkanah brought a huge problem into his own home. Because not everything that is allowed is actually good. It doesn't mean it's going to work out. And so, he brought a serious problem into his household.
proverbs 27:5-6, Galatians 6:1, Matthew 18:15
Note: this is for us believers. I believe we are repentant sinners, we have to be.
The end of the last post ran out of room (what else is new)
Anyway; the Catholic church made these decisions back in 1969 to remove certain individuals from who they would say are definitely saints. We have to take care that those attributed to miraculous signs that are anything besides scripture aren't some imaginary persona. Even Mary from the Bible was elevated beyond where she should be and that occurs in other places besides the Catholic church. Peter is known to be a "saint" as are all who are Born Again in reality; but surely not to be worshipped as he made many mistakes including in Galatians where he had to be publicly rebuked by Paul for insisting on following Jewish customs.
Again; this sort of idolizing of long deceased individuals all too easily allows demons to impersonate people or manifest some sort of "miraculous" sign.
I need to note that along with total control false prophets or cult leaders will at times credit their followers for miraculous things happening as well; no doubt a sort of self fulfilling prophecy as their actions only that bring exaltation to the leader are venerated. Free thinking or criticism is never an option; whereas those of the Lord are encouraged as "iron sharpens iron" to build each other up. (see Proverbs 27:17). Also faithful are the wounds of a friend ( Proverbs 27:6). Probably a good idea to read all of Proverbs 27 I would think...
Scripture should never; therefore be read as a curiosity; we may start off in ignorance but in faithful service to the King we need to mature and realize that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. There is no place for going beyond scripture. If there is a prophetic utterance scripture is the buttress and on this side of the Rapture and beyond the completion of the Bible things are at best subject to change or delay. Repentance for now allows for conditional predictions; nothing is complete until Revelation as to the fate of nations.
James 4:13 - Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
Go to now, ye that say, and there are five things:
To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
That's presumption! There are five things. Number 1, concerning the date. To day or to morrow. Secondly the place. We will go into such a city. The Greek text denotes that there's a specific city as if they're looking at a map and they've got their finger on it. It's not just any old city. They've already got their city targeted.
Thirdly concerning time. We will continue there for a year. Fourthly the activity. We will buy and sell. Buy and sell is one Greek word (EMPOREUSOMETHA) and it's where we get our word emporium from. And fifthly the goal. And get gain, meaning make money.
That is the confession of presumption. It just means that the person believes that he is in control of his own life. I can pick what day I'm going to go, where I'm going to go, how long I'm going to spend there, what activity I'm going to do, and what my goal is when I go. That is presumption. It's presuming that's the way things are going to be.
In Proverbs 27:1, it says boast not thyself of tomorrow, for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth. We have no idea what God's will is. Even if we think we know, we have no idea what God's will is for today or even tomorrow.
But who knows what going to happen? Who knows if I'm going to reach my goal or do the things I think I need to do? It's very presumptuous to think that a person's going to control their own life, and this is the way it's going to go. Does it sound familiar? That's what we do. We plan our day!
All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. (verse 8).
This verse is similar to other verses in chapter 4, 5 and 6 of this same book. Also see Proverbs 27:20.
Verses 9-11
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
These verses demonstrate that historical patterns of agriculture; warfare and technology which seem novel are not limited to today's societies which archaeological evidence is continually revealing. It appears; in fact that many structures such as the pyramids in Egypt and around the world involved advanced technology likely due to the offspring mentioned in Genesis 6.
Verse 11 therefore is perhaps different with discoveries of ancient writings; scientific dating and genealogical studies for example; but the idea here is that such information simply isn't relateable to those in the here and now and no one cares about the individuals of the past or will care about us in the future in general. If someone isn't famous which is the case for the vast majority of humanity then we can only understand general trends in society or perhaps individual physical characteristics but not the soul of the person.
Verse 12 repeats the comment about Solomon being King of Israel; and the end of the next passage of thought is in verses 17-18
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. We are reminded of 2 Cor. 7:10 and 1 Cor. 1:21.
Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Matthew 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
"Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth." ( Ephesians 4:28).
These verses show that our actions should be part of what we verbally confess in order to bring restoration to those we have offended. THere are cases like with Paul where Barnabus stated in Acts 9:27 But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles and declared to them how on the road he had seen the Lord, who spoke to him, and how at Damascus he had preached boldly in the name of Jesus. This reminds us of the verse Proverbs 27:2 where another is to praise us rather than promotion of ourselves. In this case the early believers had to hear it from someone other than Paul himself for no doubt they feared he would entrap them and were doubtful that he was truly converted. This could be compared in some ways with a convicted criminal who sincerely is apologetic with a family of a victim when he has nothing to gain for himself-anyone can repent and part of OUR repentance is showing God's love toward those who offended us.
Repentance also involves a permanent turn from sin and not replacing one sin for another. This is one danger of those who say that they have a demon of "lust" or some other specific manifestation. The enemy will substitute one temptation for another; that is clear from the verses of Christ's temptation to go from satisfying hunger; to being suicidal and worshipping the Devil rather than God. We need to repent from actions and the lifestyle that leads to the broad road or directly to sin
Proverbs 27:5 states that open rebuke is better than hidden love. Ideally; of course we should take a brother aside and express concern if it appears sin is having a negative affect on their witness. The opposite of confronting in love is likely gossip.
The world often looks for inconsistency in the lives of those proclaiming Christ. Thus; we may say that the first part of those who wish to undertake discipleship as a ministry is to have our own lives in order. Such actions early on in our walk should have given us sufficient experience with relationships that went south because we no longer wanted to go party with our friends and watch unseemly and unedifying programs on TV as two examples. As a test I recommend talking about the Lord; prayer and scripture reading with those who are in our local fellowship and after a few weeks see if we are invited out to eat after the service or to someone's house as much as we are used to. This is also part of discipline; we find out much of our time is spent alone if we sincerely want to be as iron sharpening iron ( Proverbs 27:17 interestingly in the same chapter as the previous quoted verse).
Such a challenge could easily be part of evangelism as well; since many will profess Christ. It may be easier; in fact to get through to someone outside their normal social circles where they don't have to keep up appearances.
I probably should have included this in my Gospel for Dummies post. Should we encourage NON believers to get away from sin when sharing the Gospel? The answer I would say is yes; albeit the principal thing is coming to Christ. Repentance MUST be preached however; the Spirit must move someone to desiring to follow God and grants repentance according to scripture ( Acts 5:31 and several other scriptures). Nonetheless certain sins in particular can kill us so we should warn people to flee fornication; for example.
Time is a big cost of discipleship and few spare it.
Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
We are all probably familiar with the verse stating that pride comes before a fall. In a comprehensive study of the Word; I am not aware of anywhere where God says He is proud of someone; however on a human level it builds character for a father to show such a reaction to a son who is obedient and the same can be said for anyone who can be acknowledged for displaying fruits of the Spirit in their lives as we try to build up each other through encouragement. The idea here is that the greater authority on a human level is generally the one giving out such praises; although surely those who are in authority could be viewed that way when demonstrating exemplary courage under persecution; for instance.
The verse above surely shows we should NOT desire self promotion as it relates to the way of this current world system. If we expand this concept to saying we are "proud to be an American" then we have to ask ourselves the question what is it that we are proud of? Is it the forefathers and those of this generation who died to secure our continuing freedom; or is it our prosperity and influence in the world? Is it indeed our freedom to worship God without widespread persecution or is it that we are free to engage in all sorts of debauchery and worldly pleasures because we aren't slaves in a caste system or a totalitarian regime or a fanatical religious caliphate? Pride about any sin is abhorrent to God; and before we bash those who have obvious deviant lifestyles we have to look at ourselves to determine what secret sins we harbor.
If we look at Lucifer; for example at face value we would see a most beautiful and talented worship leader who God had exalted into a place of great importance through musical intrinsic abilities and other attributes. Such glory itself only became ugly when the focus turned to himself rather than God.
Tonight among other things discussing 1 Peter we got into the subject of holiness in the lives of believers. Something in my mind which reminds me of Proverbs 27:2 where another is to praise you not yourself; I mentioned this to my dad in a letter from 2013.
Some of my thoughts are this; all saints are holy in some capacity. The fact that the Spirit resides in us of course has to be a reality as many are hypocritical and there are many tares among the wheat. I would say that holiness is both what 1 Peter describes in being "sober minded" as well as the overall growth of the "inner man".
Thinking of a friend of mine from a few years back; I could discern that indeed the Spirit was present in him; but he struggled with some obvious sins; which he was much more open and vocal about than most people I know. The advice therefore for someone who is as the Corinthians immature but still in the faith is as iron sharpening iron; exhortation and rebuke should be part of any deep friendship if we are truly concerned for our fellow believers welfare. Sometimes saying nothing and praying for the Spirit to convict is the best action in that case as well. Ultimately until we are certain someone is producing fruits worthy of repentance we can't spend all our time or go beyond what the Lord wills to try to "convince" someone.
Often lack of spiritual balance and a need to learn from others in the Body of Christ is in order. more in next posting
Thank you for your reply
I am very zealous for the Word of my GOD, He is the Truth, so I need to clarify I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, So, having read your reply, I ask: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I told you the Truth?
In fact, the correct translation of Genesis 1:1 is not heaven(singular),but heavens(plural), according was said and revealed by own GOD to Moses. So for your own good and also of all readers here, and elsewhere, what matters and prevails is what GOD said to Moses, that is the original and true source. What did GOD reveal about heaven/heavens around 2500 years after Adam or 1500 years BC, and Moses wrote, it is as follows:
Genesis - Chapter 1-2 - torah
Verse 1-In the beginning of GOD's creation of the heavens and the earth.
Verse 2-Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of GOD was hovering over the face of the water.
By the way, heaven is a plant, understand? planted by GOD: Isaiah 51:16 combined with Ephesians 1:3-8, among many other biblical references.
16 -> And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
You called me rude, no poblem, it is the consequence of my zealous for the Word of GOD, the Truth. What does the Word of GOD say? Proverbs 27:6->Faithful are the wounds of a friend(or by who loves); but the kisses(something like panegyrize) of an enemy(of who annoy) are deceitful.
2Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of GOD may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
GOD BLESS
First; I wasn't trying to give some sort of game plan to get through the Tribulation; just was attempting to foresee the evil that is to come as Proverbs 27:12 states which is ahead before the Rapture; if we hold to a PreTrib mentality. As to the subject of self defense or not; I would ask people to look realistically at scripture rather than having a one size fits all concept. ( Luke 22:36 as one example). If we must die as martyrs we must rely on the Spirit. I truly look up to those who are sold out enough that they are prepared to die at any time in their boldness witnessing; perhaps sharing what is inherent to all men who allow their old nature to rise up isn't helpful. I will once again appeal to the scriptures as Christ did with Peter in Matthew 26:33-34.
We also face an array of unknown variables. Just tonight there is news not necessarily in mainstream of 12 major ships of ours in the Mediterranean; as well as the largest oil refinery in Russia ablaze. When surprises happen I hope that most on this site at least are prepared; in the church at large I am doubtful.
I did stray from heavy scriptural references as I occasionally do on a topic. I have been blessed with being able to get into most subject matters that have been on my heart for decades in the last couple of years here. Perhaps I need to consider ending these posts permanently; but as with anything I don't like being hasty.
In light of the Great Commission at the end of Matthew 28; it is easy (at least for myself) to ignore the implications of us as a BODY in Christ doing the work of laboring. Again; I have stated in earlier posts that since I moved back home with my folks I am not surrounded by those who regularly go on the streets. As for now I am considering returning to the Nursing Homes in my area but apparently with COVID rampant that will have to wait at least a month or so.
My past experience sharing the Gospel with others has often provided good opportunities for discussion among the believers I am out with as well as other believers encountered on the streets and elsewhere. Of course we also have opportunity as Proverbs 27:17 states to sharpen one another as iron sharpens iron. Prayer is an investment to see growth in a local church; and I am seeing signs people are making more effort in my local congregation with seeing more teenagers and kids activities available. I have noticed in my home state (let's just say in the Northeast) at least there seems to be few youth groups for teenagers as there used to be 30 or 40 years ago and I would assume this is a larger issue; but was informed down south (specifically Texas) things were different.
In reality we can do janitorial work and be using a gift of service; or with a skill we have help someone with home repairs or moving (as I did quite often a few years back before I moved back here). In fact at my first church where they had youth group in large numbers I remember a service project day when we were randomly asked to do something for a few hours for someone else (I think someone helped wash my car).
In general we should seek the Lord to see what He would want us to do; and of course Pastors and elders should assist in these plans (for example all night prayer; fasting and the like). One big question is are we READY to see God answer such prayers should attendance increase?
Part 2.
Here's is your response to the original post.
"Hello brother Spencer, Good evening! Thinking of doctrine, the Church practice of
giving and taking reproof by love maybe is part of what you are thinking? Church discipline and restoration?
God bless the walk.
Brother Carleton, That I absolutely agree with! However, that is not in the context of this message.
This message is more in line with Jude 1:3-4 with the focus on what is mentioned in verse 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares,"
This has the thought of some has come into the fold sort of like through a back door.
Jude 1:10-15. He describes them. They are not Brothern. They are not Sheep.
As for "A Holy kiss.
Does the bible say greet "them" with a Holy kiss? No, I don't think so.
Romans 10:8-10 says the words is ni thy mouth.
These words is what we can confess to others if asked by what means are you saved.
However, what about the guy whom from his heart "by his mouth" speaks against truth?
We don't judge his present spiritual condition; he's done it ALREADY by refusing to believe and enter in the straight and narrow gate. See Matthew 7:13-15. and John 3:18.
What do these verses concerning a Holy kiss have in common? This Holy kiss is for the Brothern.
1 Corinthians 16:20.
2 Corinthians 13:11-12.
1 Thessalonians 5:26.
Romans 16:16.
The Holy kiss wasn't only meant to express love for the Brothern.
The Holy kiss is meant to express acceptance especially at a time when Gentiles was coming into the fold.
It certainly wasn't for non-believers.
Look at 2 John1:10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.
Also see Romans 16:17-18.
Does open rebuke harm a brother?
Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:5-6.
See Part 3
John 17:17 involves Christ's prayer for us to be sanctified; and involves His Word and the truth. James 1:23 and 24 reminds us that we need to be "doers"; and he compares a man in front of a mirror forgetting what he looks like as an example. I am not sure of the context; but I would also quote the verse from Hebrews 10:25 in this posting. The first passage shows the danger of ignoring our own walk; possibly showing us how we forget what we say; or invoking a memory that we are still with a fallen nature; the second passage also shows how forgetting to do corporate worship can also make us forget the experience.
I state this fact first because I find that no matter how long I learn the scriptures; grow in wisdom and understanding; etc. that it is in the fellowship of the saints where I once again recognize God's presence; and witness anew those with different gifts.
The danger of being prideful as to our own continued growth; particularly when it comes to learning things from other believers is one important reason to continue in regular church attendance as well as; of course witnessing with fellow believers; small groups; corporate prayer; etc.
The fact is; that as long as we dwell in this mortal flesh; there is potential to fall into sin. This is one reason we need to be careful not to idolize someone who appears to be someone mature in the faith. On the other hand; it is imperative to have others such as Paul with Timothy or Christ with the Disciples for instruction and discipleship; as "iron sharpens iron" ( Prov. 27:17). Proverbs 27:6 states "faithful are the wounds of a friend." Surely this sort of relationship is rare and needed in the church today.
As a father with a child; instruction in righteousness should bring us to maturity in our own spiritual walk so that we can go out and make Disciples ourselves as Christ instructed ( Matt. 28:19-20). We need to get beyond "decisions" for Christ that way.
We see what appears in Luke to be a discussion of those fellowservants who are warning about the coming of the Lord and are "beaten by their fellow servants" ( Luke 12:45). We see that verse 39 and 46 indicate a house being "broken into" and verse 46 talks about being assigned in a place with the hypocrites and cut into pieces. That would be metaphorical language fitting into missing the Rapture; and going through the fire of the Tribulation from the way I see it.
Isaiah 10:5-6 discusses the "Assyrian" God's method of chastisement (one code word for Antichrist) who is used to judge a "hypocritical nation." Hence there is ample reason to at least ascribe this message to Israel as a rebellious nation who doesn't recognize their King until they realize that the one they trusted in turns against them.
There are ignorant people in churches today who God may still save or make their garments white in the Tribulation. Whether these are left behind believers or new believers as part of the witnessing campaign of the 144,000 it is martyrdom that is the test of all who truly believe in Christ. Those who know better and yet are truly His own of course (as with teachers) have a greater responsibility; hence the Lord will have to deal with them more harshly. I look at the Tribulation as being a massive campaign by God for fruit production; which He will get one way or another to His satisfaction. The word Tribulation apparently is related to "Tribulum" or the wheat being ripened and harvested rapidly in the blistering sun. It is good to look at such events in relation to the big picture; the worst persecution brings the greatest glory; and will be used to turn Israel back to the true Savior ( Zech 12:12; Rev. 1:7).
Today in Sunday school; the discussion came up about finishing the race well and the verse 1 Corinthians 11:1 or another to that affect was pondered. One participant stated that she would like that to be true for her and her children and grandchildren on imitating the example set forth. Further delving into the matter of those with integrity in scripture (there are many) brought up the examples of Isaiah and Jeremiah the "weeping" prophet. I thought of Jeremiah in Lamentations and the parallel to Christ in the New Testament weeping over Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37. We need to balance the hard truths such as the excoriation of the Pharisees and the prophets warnings to Israel and the collateral damage inevitably to result with the fact that when calamity did strike the Prophets would mourn and suffer; understanding God's own sentiments toward such things. That is brought out quite effectively with Hosea and the judgments to come on Ephriam such as in chapter 11 verse 8. In fact; in the prophet's personal life with his unfaithful wife he had to purchase again as well as with eventual reconciliation with Israel mentioned in earlier chapters we see past what many consider an unloving Old Testament God with one who doesn't have any joy in the destruction of the wicked ( Ezekiel 18:23).
In this discussion of the "goodness and severity of God" ( Romans 11:22) we can apply these principles to the discipling efforts that elders are commissioned to be part of along with the rest of the congregation. Open rebuke is better than hidden love ( Proverbs 27:5). There is too much laxity in such matters today from my vantage point. Let's be honest; we are more likely to take a rebuke to heart than some meaningless compliment and retain such in our memory. That can be true for something said in an insensitive manner; but most times we can at least apply some truth from the Word in our lives and respect the messenger.
When seeking His will and petitioning prayers; it is His Covenant promises which we can tenaciously proclaim as it is His binding contract with His people that He has made with His good pleasure. This is certainly different than just seeking those things that seem most convenient to make us more comfortable in this life. It truly is best when His life is the guide to our lives and He can be the "captain" of our salvation ( Hebrews 2:10). It is this or being shipwrecked; as it were which is a warning for those who fall away ( 1 Timothy 1:9 as a general admonition along with specific individuals in other Pauline writings).
It is helpful, therefore to have brothers more mature in the faith as "iron sharpens iron." ( Proverbs 27:17). We should also have our individual walk grow to maturity with our quiet times; prayer life and devotionals. John 6:45 shows that we shall all be taught of God; so we should learn to discern His voice from the cacaphony that rings in our ears.
As adopted sons of God ( Gal. 4:5) we are granted therefore all the blessings and substance of the inheritance. The eternal riches in Glory certainly outweigh any earthly pleasures ( 2 Cor. 4:17). We should strive therefore to remain steadfast and remain in His will. The flesh is dying daily in terms of the outward man (see previous verse 16) but the inward man is being conformed to His image. (see Romans 12:2). To deny ungodliness is true freedom ( Titus 2:12) despite our natural affections that seem to indicate the contrary.
The discernment of spirits involves detection of God's presence as well as the lack thereof. It is a rare preacher or layperson who would dare to be bold enough to declare that their particular congregation is lukewarm as Christ did of the Laodiceans. Unfortunately; there is too much human praise (such as accolades to Pastors) which in and of itself isn't necessarily wrong; but if it is in the spirit of the world where "what is honorable among men is an abomination to God" ( Luke 16:15 loosely translated). Empty praise we could do without; of course false accusations and and overcritical spirit aren't helpful either. It is; nonetheless being UNloving and not edifying brothers and sisters in Christ if we don't care enough to help them when we can see that they are compromised in some way; we should desire fruit to multiply in others.
We were discussing Pilate's line today with Christ "what is truth"? ( John 18:38). With today's culture tending to have the effect of not wanting to "offend" anyone as its biproduct of downright falsehood; it seems that there is little making us uncomfortable or thinking about the fear of the Lord nowadays. The truth is as a "two edged sword" ( Heb. 4:12). We also need to remember that He comes with a sword to smite the nations and even judge the church in some ways ( Rev. 2:16; Revelation 19). Paul didn't mince words with Peter but openly rebuked him in his hypocricy ( Galatians 2:11-19). Jesus Himself of course was God and able perhaps to be more critical than any of us; but again He rebukes all those He loves ( Heb. 12:6). The words of Proverbs 27:6 discuss the benefits of a rebuke of a friend; and this could be multiplied with many other cross references.
The point here is that if we don't make truth clear and expose error then the cure is worthless at best and perhaps worse than the disease. Any strongholds the enemy has must be dealt with before deliverance.
That being said; of course we are all more shallow in this way without personal contact and fellowship at best. The concept of "confessing our sins to one another" is scriptural. The context certainly applies to when we have offended someone and we are to make it right before offering sacrifice (which I would say is equivalent to Communion or any public worship for that matter). It is also good to have those we are accountable to. Obviously men should be discipling men; women with women. That is another matter; as to how women not only in churches but online forums may try to go beyond discussions and start playing the role of Pastor. It is a touchy issue which I won't delve into any more here.
We need not only to be aware of gossip within the church but about our leaders and any non believers as well. Certain things are known as to transgressions in the public arena but unless we hold it up in prayer it is better to keep quiet. It reminds us of the verse about judging others. Most don't look at the other side of it; we WOULD want mercy to triumph over judgment so we should use that approach with others. That concept is seen in Matthew 18:15-35. We should be ready to forgive our brother and be transparent when we can. Obviously some things are private and certainly a trusted person should be our confidante as it were.
Sadly; the lack of exhortation in churches today and having real conversations make the concept of "iron sharpening iron" a rare concept. The wounds of a friend somehow aren't appreciated ( Proverbs 27:6) with today's shallow associations that result from cliques that gossip.
Thank you for reaching out, hopefully we can help Proverbs 27:17,
Btw. This website has a search box, top left, under JKV or 1611 that you can search words, phrases even modified search for partial word. If you type Prop in "search bar" on this site. It will come back with "modify search" then, "partial word search" 20 pages to sort through. Then "sort by order" major study, key! You can do this with any study. It should be great to study alongside & with. Proverbs 27:17,
Proverbs 16:5 - Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Proverbs 29:23 - A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Proverbs 27:2 - Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Romans 12:16 - Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
Mark 7
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
God had really only designated souls (Earthbound) to mankind. Now, does that mean animals should be treated without care or less? By no means.
Proverbs 12:10 - A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
Proverbs 27:23 - Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.
Knowing there is also no mention of a heaven for animals the same. The best you can do (especially if they're your pets) is to treat them with love and care as this is the only side of the grave they were created for. There's something particularly sweet about those who have mercy for God's creation.
2John 1:5-11, James 4:4-5, I'm reminded of 2Kings 20:12-18, Isaiah 39:1-7, Micah 7:5, Proverbs 19:4,= Job 19:14, Proverbs 14:20, Psalms 38:11,
Proverbs 19:7, Luke 21:16, Proverbs 19:6, Proverbs 18:24, Proverbs 27:6,
Even Jesus friends : Mark 3:21, Zechariah 13:6, Psalms 41:9, Luke 7:34, Matthew 11:19, Matthew 26:48-50
John 15:14-26, Job 42:10, -after = ( Job 32:3 ), Mark 5:19, Luke 14:12-14,
Hopefully these are helpful for wisdom in your love & wisdom towards GOD, your friends & close friends
I hope you're not feeling attacked, "faithful are the wounds of a friend." Proverbs 27:5-6, I believe we are all still learning, just because we believed something to be true or false previously doesn't mean we always will. The HOLY Spirit is still teaching all of us. The scriptures that are stirring in me the most while reading your discussion are Matthew 7:13-23, Matthew 25:29-30, Matthew 25:31-46, I pray GOD will give us wisdom in these matters. Philippians 2:12-16, Hebrews 10:23-39,
For a simple definition, according to the King James Dictionary, rebuke means "To reprimand; strongly warn; restrain."
2 Timothy 3:16,17
Romans 15:4
"Hope these scripture help.
no competition when these
are not my words. God's word
is free for all."- From The Messenger
1TIMOTHY 2:8
Proverbs 27:11
Mark 12:33
Proverbs 27:6
Luke 12:51
Matthew 10:34
Matthew 10:38