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  • David W Black - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    2nd part: some I may have to re-address as I was interrupted in thought.

    See Hebrews ch 7 and 9 where it is discussing the old testament versus the new testament. Not so much 2 Bible segments but the old animal sacrifice vs. the new provided by Jesus' death on the cross. The old could not save from sin as they had to sacrifice for sin yearly. Jesus paid the sin sacrifice so we will be free from sin through Him.

    He. 7:22 "By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament." How was/is it better? His blood atones for sin and breaks its power so we do not continue in sin. Would Jesus command man Jn. 5:14 or woman Jn. 8:11 to go and sin no more if we could not do so? With Jesus, we can be saved from sin, His blood sacrifice on the cross gave us power over sin to cease the sinning that corrupts the heart and defiles the soul.

    A part of my testimony is I am saved from sin. I had to be saved from sins I used to do. I have done so through repentance so that I am justified or saved. This took care of sins I did in my past. I also needed my heart cleansed from the inherited sin from Adam. This is sanctification. It is only given to those already free from sin via salvation. It includes having God remove the carnal nature from the heart and filling that space with His Holy Spirit. It doesn't make one speak in tongues as Pentecostals do. Salvation and sanctification are 2 fully separate steps at an altar in the Church building. See 2 Co. 5:17 my old sinful self is dead and I am a new person in Christ after salvation, even more so after sanctification.

    I can re-address later as needed. And I'm sure I didn't cover all questions. I will revisit in near future as I do want you to see where I am spiritually, without sin in the present or future, as after salvation I have not sinned. I do not claim I never sinned, just that I do not sin after God saved me. It is not me or my power, it is God's that gives grace and power to not do what I used to.
  • David W Black - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Chris, Yes the Exodus 2 reference was a typo. It should have been Luke 22.

    Referring back to Paul's testimony in Romans 7, admitted it does seem odd or confusing, but I recall that he wrote it in the historical present tense. He could not have had that wretched man type of experience and tell us in 1 Co. 15:34 "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." Take Ro 6th and 8th Chapters along with the 7th. Ro. 6:1 asks if we should continue in sin that grace may abound, answer in vs. 2 God forbid or No we cannot continue sin under His saving grace. Romans Ch 8 begins with Paul stating no condemnation to them that are in Christ. A saved from sin experience matches no condemnation, a sinful life cannot.

    Romans 5:12 is just part of the thought Paul was conveying. Another part further on, vs. 18, 19 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." The first man is Adam in the beginning. His sin caused all mankind to be born with a sin nature in their heart. The second man mentioned is Jesus, His righteousness is the free gift of justification to those that ask for it through repentance. Vs. 19 tells us that all were made sinners by Adam's transgression, but if we get saved in Jesus, we will be made righteous. Being righteous cannot be mixed with a sinful life.

    Think on this, why did Jesus come to Earth as He did? He did so to leave us the example to live by, and to sacrifice His own life on the cross, to be our sacrificial Lamb required to save us from sin. Think OT animal sacrifices. They did this yearly to atone for sins committed. It didn't make them free from sin, but only appeased God's law. Jesus, as The Lamb, a sacrifice died to atone for our sin, to save us from..
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Ephesians Chapter 6

    14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

    15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace,

    16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the FIREY DARTS of the wicked.

    17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

    Ask the Lord to make you an instrument of Peace in your family. Show the kindness of Jesus when you see your son.

    I went through something similar as you. I lost all my sinful friends because I was born again. I got lonely and asked Jesus to bring me some new friends. He answered that prayer! :) Come here often, study scripture Till every time you get bumped...out flows a scripture. Speak all the blessings over your kin. This is when we learn patience, long suffering, temperance; which are hard to endure but well worth going through.
  • ANNIE C FORTENBERRY on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    I just need prayer for healing.
  • Otis Jr Blackledge on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    My Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    LOCUST swarms in Africa

    Locust are in the Bible. It's insect and also a pestilence. If you Google "locust swarms in Africa", You will see news reports of swarms of locusts decimating the little food that they are able to grow. They desperately need help in feeding many starving people. They've pleaded with the world community to fund and assist in spraying the few crops they still have. Look at the comparison of a locust to a grasshopper. They just look evil.
  • Cecilia Littmon on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Amen. I came out of my church which I was and a mega church . I found the Lord. I am so elated that I did. But it seems as though my whole family have turned against accept my son who accepted Christ in his life and his family. The Lord said that if you were able to save that one then the Angels are praising me in heaven. Amen
  • Stanjett - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Even thou there is a tree called lucus tree. These were bugs.
  • April on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Prayer for God to continue to bless, favor, shield, lead, guide and protect my children , grandson & I & for God's will to be fulfilled in our lives and a right now & future. Prayer for the finances for my fianc & I wedding to be completed. Prayer for my weight loss goals to be accomplished before wedding & prayer for God to be us spiritually, financially & with health & long life & it more abundantly, more peace, love, happiness & joy & God's hedge of protection.
  • Laura on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Im a sinner who need all the prayers i can get even being around people everyday im so lonely and most of all I feel so lost I mean really lost my heart ache so please pray not for just me for all Thank You
  • David A. on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    please keep me in your prayers thank you and GOD bless you all that prays for others
  • David A. on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    please keep me in your prayers thank you and GOD bless you all
  • Steve Taylor on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    prayer for deliverence from witchcraft
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Page 3.

    There was no getting away from this fact: while he (& we) walk this Earth we have this nature from Adam ( Romans 5:12) which makes us all sinners & the proof is in our experience of both spiritual & physical death.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Page 2.

    You wrote, "all are tempted, but temptation does not become sin unless you let it linger in the heart". I fully agree but since you've also said that you remain sinless by not allowing that temptation to bear fruit, the path is still open for you to be overcome at some point, which would then make you a sinner. It's heartening to read that thus far you have resisted & remain pure (as only the Lord & yourself could judge), but as said previously, if sin should overtake you, how then does it establish itself if only the new nature from God is in you? Adam/Eve never knew sin - Satan tempted them to sin, thereby placing in them his nature so that sin could take root & condemn them. Jesus never sinned - Satan tempted Him also to sin but He resisted him with the Word of God (Himself) & unlike Adam, the last Adam could not/never have Satan's nature imputed in Him.

    What has perplexed us is your claim to be without sin. Now we can understand that you're saying that thus far you have deflected the Enemy's thrusts at you & remained guiltless. When we understand sinlessness, we can only find examples of this in Adam/Eve before their fall & in Jesus Christ; no other person in history has ever been recorded or observed as sinless. You were forgiven & cleansed from your sins in July 1994, but that was for your past sinful life. Nevertheless, the old nature (which you say has been destroyed), is still with you, to which Satan does battle, having had free access during your unsaved years & now raging more than ever, as a child of God. Romans 7, to which you believe Paul was speaking about his battle with sin as a Jew, is actually him speaking as a believer in Christ. This battlefield involved the flesh & the spirit that caused him great spiritual anguish. Yet, he found victory in abiding in Christ & had to admit that "with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
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    David, thank you again. I do agree with your understanding of sin, that it encompasses more than obedience to the Ten Commandments, though many 'Christians' today think nothing of uttering an expletive or telling a 'white' lie, considering that to be normal. Also, I agree with your example 1, in dealing with the entrance of sin into the mind ( James 1:15). Your example 2 (not Exodus 2, I assume), on Judas, I see differently. Judas already had sin in his heart as keeper of the purse ( John 12:3-6), being recorded as a thief as he probably dipped into it often. So sin was already there - Satan came to tempt him, sin revived & Satan gained another notch. As for Judas & the rest of the disciples, I never considered them to be saved - they were carnal men, moved by God to follow Jesus, to believe in His Message, & to await that day of Pentecost when they would be truly transformed & be born again.

    However, sins like that of Judas, where contemplation & decision to act are necessary for sin to be the outcome, are not always so well defined. The other day while at the traffic lights, a driver went through a red light but the car going through the green light managed to brake in time. My immediate thought (& look on my face) was one of shock & anticipation of the worst - soon followed by a sense of loathing & mental derision of that driver. I did not have time to contemplate my response - it came out in an instant & sadly a response that was sin as it wasn't in keeping with how a life holy to the Lord would behave. No one witnessed my sin - but God did. So there would be times in our lives when we may not be able to make a decision to not sin, but yes, our lives should be so fine-tuned so as not to respond the way I did.
  • Valerie on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    I am desiring to retire in the next 22 months. Need God's wisdom and guidance as i transition to my new life. Especially in my finances. As well as my relationship with my possible future husband. Need clarity to avoid unnecessary mistakes and stress. Need God's help.
  • Sue on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Please pray for healing for my son and I,

    Please pray for deliverance for my sister and her son.

    Please pray for deliverance for myself and my son.

    Please pray for my sister, Pam.

    Thank you very much.
  • Why the word RAPTURE is not found in the King James Bible on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Reason why the word RAPTURE isn't found in the King James Bible. It is called: CAUGHT UP in the clouds.

    This is where the term came from.

    >> So we see that the English, RAPTURE, Latin RAPIO, and GreekHARPAZO, are cognates - they are the same word in different languages. But not only are they the same word, they have the same meaning. Anyone who has done a little reading from extra-biblical Greek and Latin, or has at least enough familiarity with those languages to use the classical Greek and Latin lexicons, is well aware of the fact that Greek (harpaz) and Latin rapio regularly bore the same sense of "remove from harm's way" that pretribulationists claim for the English word rapture. It was regularly used by the mythologists of the gods snatching their favorites out of harm's way. And it was regularly used in similar senses by the historical authors. I recently noted that Josephus used it of parents snatching their children up and running for cover when Titus sacked Jerusalem in 70 AD.

    Jesus is not touching the earth during the Rapture. He's going to catch us up into the clouds, to meet him.

    First: the deceased born again believers.

    Second: alive and watching for Jesus, believers.

    Mishael
  • Rick on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Would you please pray for me? I lost my job after working over forty years ? i have no income coming in and my heart is broken . I was the senior supervisor .They set me up illegally . We need income and food and Gods will please pray. Thank you Rick
  • LOCUST swarms in Africa - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Locust are in the Bible. It's insect and also a pestilence. If you Google "locust swarms in Africa", You will see news reports of swarms of locusts decimating the little food that they are able to grow. They desperately need help in feeding many starving people. They've pleaded with the world community to fund and assist in spraying the few crops they still have. Look at the comparison of a locust to a grasshopper. They just look evil.

    May we all remember the Africans in our daily prayers and ask the Holy Spirit to guide our petition.
  • Cb on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    I ask that you continue praying for my Grandma and Grandpa. Please pray that they aren't sick in any way. I know I ask for prayers a lot but it's not in my control what is done but God can control everything. I just really need everyone to prayfor them if you could. I love them so much and they are all I have. Please pray for good health and blessing on them. I need prayers also as i am struggling with depression through all of this. I need prayers that something will change for the better and my Grandparents are well and I can get out of this depression. Please pray for us, we really appreciate everyone for their thoughts and prayers. Thank YOU
  • T - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    We know from the plagues of Egypt the locust was the insect.

    The book of Joel also speaks in regards to locusts swarming, eating and destroying.

    The book of Revelation also forewarns of the locusts which will plague unbelievers. Scorpion tales and human faces.

    I'm glad to be a believer in Jesus Christ!
  • Sis Glover on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Prayer for my family , church family, my mother, my finances, higher heights and deeper depth in God
  • Joyce Garland on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    In Matthew 3:3

    What is everyone's opinion on the locust was it a tree or bug ?
  • Anamkos Sampson on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    I want Christ will be my guard all the days of my life and to also reveal my spiritual senses to me and also make my family and I not to luck anything ....thank you.
  • Nathalia on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Praise the Lord! My sister Josephin Leena, 71, diabetic and has blood pressure, suffering from acid reflux and internal bleeding had to be admitted to St. John's Hospital. She is under observation for covid. 1st round negative, 2nd round today. She needs an endoscopy done soonest and needs assistance as she uses a walker. Please pray for her speedy recovery. Thank you,

    Nathalia
  • EJL on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    There is 1 Earth and 1 Heaven

    There are 3 separate and distinct Earth and Heaven Ages or Dispensations of Time.

    Chapter 3 in the 2nd Book of Peter speaks of these three separate ages or time periods. They are:

    1) "the world that then was" ( 2Pet 3:6)

    2) "the heavens and earth which are now" ( 2Pet 3:7)

    3) "a new heavens and a new earth" ( 2Pet 3:13).

    The whole chapter should be read.

    In general, everything mentioned in the Bible falls into one, a combination of the three, or all three of these chief Dispensations of Time.
  • Claire - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Hi Lionjudah,

    Thank you for the encouraging scriptures.

    God bless you and your family.

    Kind Regards

    Claire
  • Earl Bowman on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    HELL OR NO HELL

    Amos 3:7 Surely, the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

    Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.



    Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto the; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet, and shall call thee, The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.



    Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


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