Discuss Revelation 12 Page 64

Alex; you are trying to mix two different aspects into one, that does not hold with the truth: the power of the Law, and man's commandment of God to do what is right in His sight! The commandments were given with the expectation of a good reward and favour for obedience; and damnation for disobedience. The power of the Law to give life comes through love in Spirit of Christ, which the Law teaches.

The problem with the law was it cd not address or arrest mans evil Adamic nature,David comes to mind,the law cd not help David when he saw bathsheba bathin,the law became weak when he saw bathsheba bathin, y Paul is saying what the law cd not do in that it was WEAK THRU THE FLESH,God had to send his SON in the form of sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh,THUS TH NEED FOR A INCORRUPTIBLE SEED

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." We live and are reconciled to God ALL BECAUSE OF JESUS! Jesus has broken the head of the dragon by Himself being wounded and bruised and blood being shed. Out of the abundance of our hearts our mouths speak and testify the works of Christ; and we live accordingly.

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Jesus Christ the Only Begotten Son of God has come in the flesh and finished the work which the Father gave Him to do to redeem us to God and save us from our sins. This fact done being wrought in us by grace through faith is REAL or it isn't done at all! Faith ACTS!

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." The place of God's habitation is good and clean and holy; and when the conspiracy of the wicked arose, they were with force and violence warred against and driven out without pity! Keep yourselves pure and holy!

When I was spoken to by my Almighty Creator who chose a messenger from heaven I was given an important message that became fulfilled prophesy of Isaiah and Revelation 12:4,5; Hebrews 1:6, and Matt. 1:23; I was told a woman and not a church and not the nation of Israel would and has since given birth to the male child. But churches attribute that prophesy to their churches or Zionist Israel.

And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and ha

the Woman answers to humanity,God so LOVED THE WORLD etc. SHE HAS BEEN IMPREGNATED BY THAT GOOD SEED THE WORD. YA MEMBER JESUS SAID THE FIELD IS THE WORLD WHERE THAT GOOD SEED WILL BE SOWN, THATS Y THE PROPHETS SAW THE WORLD HUMANITY IN TRAVAIL/ Birth pains. THE WOMAN ANSWERS TO EVERYBODY MEANING US ,UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN UNLESS YOU RECEIVE THE KINGDOM AS A LIL CHILD ETC.

Steve; The United States is definitely WITHOUT A DOUBT mentioned in the Scriptures! The Beast that first arose from out of the earth left an irreversible damage upon the psyche of mankind rendering the whole world heathen and in a defiant and disobedient rage against the heavens till Christ comes. The transgressors are coming quickly to the full, and the many have already turned away after Satan.

The woman in verse 14 is of course Israel. In the final 3.5 years of the great tribulation, she (Israel) will take flight on the wings of a great eagle (possibly the USA will help) to flee from the serpent. America is not specifically mentioned in prophecy, but the eagle may represent America. Israel will actually flee to Jordan and Saudi Arabia who will sustain them. Hard to believe, but true.

17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" ... This verse (17 above) is 'WOW' because 'most in the USA is not prepare for the 'to-kill-you- battles' the dragon is about to bring to our front door. Yes, many are already fighting, but the worse is yet to come in USA, WOW!

Cheryl, while Satan was banished in the beginning for rebellion, once he tempted Adam and Eve to sin, he returned to Heaven's counsels as their accuser and Earth's representative. The casting out of vs. 9 means that after Jesus died on the Cross, Satan could no longer enter Heaven to accuse human beings to God. Instead, he turned his attention to persecuting God's people on Earth.

Truthseeker: I did agree with you on female. Read Isaiah 14:12. 2 Corinthians 11:14, Revelation 12:9. Altho each reads the bible in his own way.

Cheryl; There are some who believe that these events are mentioned in Genesis and the Prophets in some very interesting and mysterious sentences about the "earth becoming without form and void," as if by a terrible cataclysmic event; like Satan being cast out of heaven; so for that reason the earth was literally turned inside out! The Lord Jesus said, "I saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven!"

When was Satan and his followers cast down to Earth , if in Genesis it said the Earth was void in the beginning and man was not yet form ?

The woman in rev 12 also answers to Zech 9 v 9, she answers to donkey and her colt is a baby Christ,we are the donkey spritual speaking thats y he said my yoke is easy and my burden is light, and our colt is a gonna be a baby christ, the kingdom comes with the woman and her child, when jesus entered jerusalem on the donkey and her colt they cried now is come the kingdom of our God.We be the woman.

The great red dragon is probably Nibiru, which has an asteroid belt or "tail" as described in verse 4. The stars that it knocks down to Earth are the asteroids that fly around it. The Earth may have a 28 degree pole shift, which could be the reason one third of the life on Earth will perish. We need to be ready to see the Lord any day now. The Rapture comes after tribulation. Stop sinning now.

Why didn't this woman birth the children 2000 yrs ago,simply b/c Micah 5 says he wd give them up TILL she that is in Travail has given birth then the Remnant of his Brethren wd return unto the children of Israel and Malachi said that Elijah wd come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the CHILDREN, The Book in the right hand of the FATHER CONTAINS THE SEEDS/WORDS OF THE SOWER, THUS THE CHILDREN

That Woman in Rev. 12 is US,unto US a child is born,unto US a son is given, we are all gonna birth a baby christ via his seed which is his Word,the Child is the H.G. HE SAID THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT which is tHE H.G. IMMANUEL,MY LIL CHILDREN OF WHOM I TRAVAIL IN BIRTH TILL CHRIST BE FORMED IN YOU,THATS Y HE REFERS TO HIMSELF AS THE SON OF MAN,MANKIND IS GONNA BIRTH CHRIST.

Never has there been so many facts that line up to Christ's return for His church. I believe that the Virgin is Israel and the manchild is the Holy Spirit that resides in each redeemed believer.
The dragon represents the roman empire from which the whore of Babylon comes. She, the roman church has caused generations to drink of her poison and has led people to worship idols instead of God.

23 sept Jupiter will pass through constellation of Virgo in retrograde. Virgo is the woman. And the crown jewels on her head are planets n alignment. It did say there will be signs in the heavens. And the red dragon could be a meteor with comets. Or NIBIRU....BTW. THE SITE KEEPS DELETING MY COMMENTS. god bless you all

Unfortunately for those of you seeking Truth or some level of tangible

Chris; This wonder is one of the many, many kinds of visions given by God to describe what's done in the spiritual realm; (in heaven); concerning God and men. The war in heaven has already been, and the devil and his angels ARE cast out. The woman who gave birth to the Anointed is not only Mary of Nazareth but spiritual. Mary wasn't given wings to fly into the wilderness. The flood is persecution.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron

This is Mary giving birth to Jesus.

As for the war described, it has not occurred yet. Let's just hope your part of the right army when that day comes. The army headed up by the woman clothed with the sun.

I think the woman in white represents the church of the living GOD.

A war in heaven... pre-existing spirits. Taking up Gods side... those who didn't were cast out... 1/3 of the host/stars... out into the earth to torment those here who are on the Lords side. I've heard this somewhere before.. most importantly the affirmations of a preexisting state of the beings in heaven and now on the earth...
There's a plan The Lord's plan... trust in Him, learn his plan

In short, the purpose of this passage is for encouragement. The woman represents the group of believers; the dragon represents the pagan empire during Constantine's Christian conversion. This dragon is very same 4th beast in Daniel. Revelations describes Daniel's fourth beast in various phases until it develops into the Holy Roman Empire. This is God contrasting his kingdom to man's kingdom.

DON"T BE A FOOL! How many self-seeking false prophets have to make a fool of themselves and everyone who listens to them, before the words of our Lord are believed and obeyed? "No man knows the day nor the hour when the Son of Man returns; only the Father! The vision and the sign describes the true state of the world, and the reason for what things tale place. IT'S NOT to decrypt some hocus pocus!

Chapter 12 has parallel meanings but most importantly it is a sign. The sign is in the heavens and refers to the celestial alignment taking place on September 23, 2017. Many feel it is pointing to the Rapture because of the context of the vision. What is important is not if the Rapture happens at that point since we should always be ready for that amazing "twinkling of an eye".

Looks to me like God cleaned house in Heaven and figured it's time for man to do the same under the pretense and directive of God to be the hands and feet to ensure Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven