Discuss Revelation 13 Page 10

Cowboy I don't view this as sorry or not either it is written or not, I will not deny that in our day and time there things occurring that are in preparation for that time. That being said I believe according to Gods word that the Christians Church of God is the only the only thing stopping the adversary from really cutting loose. Now when the church is taken up nothing will prevent the [ new world order ] from coming into full power.

Precious Cowboy, no need to be sorry, thanks for stating your view. According To The Scriptures, The Age Of God's GRACE Has NOT Ended yet, With God removing ALL of HIS "ambassadors" ( 2 Corinthians 5:20) To Heaven, BEFORE Declaring War/Judgment/Wrath on an UNbelieving world. The Body Of CHRIST has Already had almost 2000 years of tribulation, but will BE COMFORTED At The Great GRACE Departure To Glory ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). Amen? HIS Gospel Of GRACE Will End so that the Everlasting gospel of the kingdom can be preached during the "Time Of Jacob's {ISRAEL's} TROUBLE":

Which Gospel Makes Way For Which Gospel?

In The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, Paul preached The Gospel of GRACE, Which Is:

JESUS CHRIST, The SON Of God, Freely Gave HIS Life As A Sacrifice For our sins. HE Was Crucified, Buried, And Rose From the dead on the third day! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Paul wrote in ( Galatians 1:8) that if anyone, Including "AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, ... preach any Other gospel unto you than That Which we have preached unto you, let him Be ACCURSED!" Thus we know that this present predominantly Gentile church Must Be Removed {PRE-TOJT} to Allow the worldwide preaching of the gospel of the kingdom that Paul did Not preach to us...

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

...Making Way For HIS [Everlasting] gospel of the kingdom!:

JESUS Said in ( Matthew 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." The gospel of the kingdom was "... Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" ( Matthew 4:17).

When The MYSTERY Ends, And, God Resumes HIS Prophetic Program, The Everlasting gospel of the kingdom Will be preached by 144,000 "sealed" Jews, TWO powerful witnesses, AND, by an angel ( Revelation 14:6)

Conclusion: How can The Body Of CHRIST "enter Into JACOB's Trouble, with The Gospel Of GRACE," And, this angel NOT "be ACCURSED, preaching a DIFFERENT Gospel"? Amen?

Cowboy One other point we are saved by Jesus Christ from the wrath to come have already been judged and been made righteous by God through his Son. We are no longer judged for our mistakes we will be rewarded for our works based on Gods word than we will stand at the bema for our rewards our sin is no longer looked at.Revelation is about the final Judgement of Jesus Christ against all unbelief it can't be us because we believe!

Cowboy In thessalonians Jesus Christ is coming back for His Church the Body of Christ the saints in the age of Grace which has not transpired yet we are still in the age of Grace i.e. Church of God in the book of Revelation we come back with Jesus Christ to Kick the enemies rear so to speak. Its your privilege to believe what you believe now that being said I do see things occuring to set up Whats called the new world order. I believe the only thing that is stopping all hell from breaking loose so to speak are the believers standing on the Word. Once were gathered together it won't be pretty, Jesus Christ it will be worse than the days of sodom and gomorrah that I can't imagine and don't want to. God Bless

I'm sorry to say Dianne that the beast is in operation today. In Revelation 13: 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: (the Christians will be here when the beast comes into total affect) and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. - And power was given to the beast; that means all 7 continents of the world gave up their power to the beast. The beast is a one world order, all currency will go through the beast. The chip that will be in the right hand are the forehead will tell the merchants how much currency you have and if you can buy, sell, are trade. There will be no money flowing around. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (if you want to buy sell are trade you will agree to his terms) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Eluid you are looking at Revelation 13 with the carnal mind, Revelation 13: 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea,(The sea represents the people of the world) and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, ( the beast was built by the people of the world) having seven heads (the seven heads represents the seven continents of the world) and ten horns, (the ten horns represents ten kings are ten presidents are someone over a nation) and upon his horns ten crowns, (these are people under the person over a nation) and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. This is a one world order that is run by the beast (a computer) the chips are to keep track of the people and to keep the people in order by fear because they will be able to kill a person that has the chip by entering the chip number and hitting delete, by doing so, killing the body. This is a one world order action.

Hi Glenn Thats what I said whats coming thats what thessalonians says. God Bless

Glenn the question was is the beast in revelation here now I said no 2 Thessalonians 8+9 says who's coming I believe that is talking about The appearing or the Book of revelation especially verse 8. That's what my understanding is. God Bless

Glenn Good point thanks. God Bless

Barry Revelation is whats to come it is not happening now it will not happen till a while after the body of Christ is gathered together. That is all I've studied on the subject matter, the book of revelation has a lot of figurative language in it. It is perhaps the most written about book in the entire bible.

Negative,.. 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 ,.. there's where you will read of the coming of the beast,. An where he'll be standing

Could this beast be in power now as the world is in turmoil with two countries are all countries and turmoil and war and fire and storms And the end of the world may be coming soon as we know Maybe the beast be residing in the New city called the squad by some

The sea is the people, the Beast id the presidency, Seven Heads Ten Horns is description of U.S. currency, i.e., half penny, penny, nickel, dime, quarter, half dollar, silver dollar, Ten Horns is the same, but in paper currency. Crown is is date, by the amount of different denomination of currency in circulation. Seven Heads Ten Horns Ten Crowns means U.S. 1981, so Rev 13:1 is metaphoric and reads as follows

As I stood at the back edge of a massive crowd, I saw the president (Ronald Wilson Reagan) elected by the people, from the United State, 1981, and the currency said :In GOD we trust.

President Reagan lived by his speeches and motivating the people, one can say that was his sword, there was an other sword called Alzheimer's which took his speech, motivation, and eventually his life. One can say Reagan lived by the sword and died by the sword,

The 666 is six letters of alphabets in the first name , six in the middle name, and six in the last name. That is what Revelation 13 description is of the Reagan and bush presidential era.

Hi Brenda.

No to both your questions.

This belief comes from a serious lack of studying the Bible.

For one the plagues is from the Lord to punish the "Inhabitants" on earth or those who dwell on Earth.

The .mark of the beast is forced by the antichrist.

If God is giving the plagues and the antichrist is forcing the vaccine wouldn't that be a little odd?

Revelation 15:6. And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Read Revelation 13:16-17. to find the. mark of the beast.

Read Revelation Ch 15 and Ch 16:1_14..to find the plagues.

And if you noticed If the vaccine was the mark of the beast it would have came before the plagues/coronavirus.

God bless.

Hi ART.

Thanks for your input, our focus wasn't on any covenant it was on Truth. (Jesus)

The Emphasis on our discussion wasn't on Gods covenant to Israel, My Emphasis was on the Power of the Holyspirit being able to reveal truth.

You're right Jesus is speaking to Jews before the death burial and resurrection,

However he didn't give them what he spoke about ( HOLYSPIRIT) until after his death burial and resurrection, And he told them to take the gospel unto the earth.

Acts 1:8. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. This is the foundation being laid and Jesus the chief corner stone. And the CHURCH is built on it.

God bless

S Spenser we must have an understanding of when these things are being said an to whom they are said to. Jesus is speaking before his death, burial, and resurrection and he is speaking to the people of Israel, the only people the commandment law was given to. As a gentile, you were never subject to the law as it was given to the Jew and the Jew only. At the time of the writings of John, Jesus is telling Phillip and Judah that after his death, burial, and resurrection another Comforter will come and will teach them all things and bring all things to their remembrance. That Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, did come on the day of Pentecost and poured out its spirit. But after those days I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the one I made with their fathers when I brought them out of the land of Egypt. What we need to learn, know and understand is what that New Testament was.

Amen Brother Jesse.

John 14:6.

And if I'm correct that truth shall be manifested into us. It should be his voice we hear with the open ear through other believers, Love, Humility and Meekness should keep us in union.

John 14:16-26. And I will pray THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, THAT HE MAY ABIDE WITH YOU FOR EVER;

EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, BECAUSE IT SEETH HIM NOT, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

BUT THE COMFORTER, WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST, WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME, HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Thanks again and God bless.

Amen and Amen, Brother Jesse:

The way, the truth and the life are a PERSON and because WE are His possession, His way, His truth, His Life. WE MUST DIE DAILY; until, ONLY HE REMAINS. He gave his life for us, we must lay down our life (first death), FOR HIS LIFE (first resurrection).

Brother Spencer,

You are too kind. All I can do is the same thing everyone else does, and that is share what I have learned. I have to give the Lord all the glory. And like you say, we should never compromise the truth. But what is truth? My dear brother, truth is not what I say, or what anyone else here says. Truth is a person, and that person is Jesus Christ. We are all fallible human beings capable of error. That is something I always have to keep in the back of my mind in order to have the correct perspective on what truth is.

You also have some great things to share and you have been a blessing not only to me, but to others as well. It's not that important that we always agree with each other because that's not always going to happen. But as you say, we should never compromise truth for the sake of love, or fear of offending someone. As long as we are preaching truth, and we realize truth is a person, not what any of us say, I believe God will bless that, because God will only bless two or more that are gathered together and are playing the same song. They don't have to be playing the same part, but they do have to be playing the same song!

Hi Jesse, I would like to thank you for your teachings, and Humility without compromising the truth.

We value and highly appreciate your teachings.

God bless.

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Mishael: that word is not in the Bible. You have read some heretic teaching on google or in a book called OLD EARTH THEORY. I read all the Google stuff on this and it is a cult teaching. Go search that.

I beive you have mixt up some text here Thomas. God bless you in Jesus name.

Thomas,

I will answer your first question by simply saying it's not! I've never once said that "the church would be removed at the seventh and final trumpet, after the great tribulation, and after the mystery of God is over." I am not going to respond to the rest since you are making statements about me that are not even close to describing who I am and what I believe. You are insinuating that I am taking God's word to create my own special path to heaven, accusing me of being a narcissistic man, and trying to force my way into heaven.

You can accuse me if you wish, but this is far from the truth of who I am and what I believe. First of all, my path to heaven is through Jesus Christ, no other way, period! There is no other way, so no one is able to create their own special pathway. A narcissistic man? That doesn't deserve a response. And trying to force my way into heaven? I know that's impossible and that no one can force their way in. Again, my only way in is through Jesus Christ, no other way.

Hopefully, this gives you a better understanding of who I am before you start throwing more rude insinuations and accusations my way. If you would like to have a respectful discussion, I would be happy to do so. Otherwise, I can't see our discussions being fruitful!

As of now, only 7001 of our brothers an sisters are doomed for destruction, Lucifer, ( Ezekiel chapter 28 , an the 7000 fallen angels, ( Jude vs 1- 8 ) all others are as of now , judged by works , an are on one side or the other in heaven, those left till the coming of Lucifer an his fallen angels, will have choices, be deceived by him an join him during his short time left , or rebuke him , an stay away, some of course will be delivered up for a testimony in which the Holy Spirit speaks threw them , which even the gain sayers believe, an turn away from the anti- Christ,.. it's when he kills the 2 witnesses, the real clock begins, for 3 days after that , the 2 witnesses rise, an the real Jesus comes , on a white horse an a iron rod ,.. as long as you are in the flesh , the real Jesus, is not HERE

Jesse,

How is the "church" removed at the seventh and final trumpet, after the great tribulation, and after the mystery of God is over? For such a man-made doctrine to be successful, it must be implemented prior to the day of the Lord, prior to the abomination of desolation, prior to the destruction of God's people, prior to Joel 2:1-11, or it's pointless. Be it pre or post tribulation "rapture", you are taking God's word to create your own special path to heaven.

It is the sealed witnesses, ( Revelation 11:12) those who are spiritually worthy, who are lifted up at the last trump to everlasting life. Firstfruits. Do not even consider standing next to these pure virgin saints that are called and faithful. God makes the order of how the end-times will unfold, not narcissistic man.

What difference will it make for you to wait your turn and not force your way in, just like Jacob?

Yes , Lucifer had not only prides himself in the 1st earth age , but also took a third of our brother's an sisters, an left God with a very hard choice, destroy Lucifer an the third of his children, or ,.. destroy that earth age , an begin a new age so that all of us could decide to love him or satin ( Lucifer ) as you can see , he did , which was called the catabol , an the beginning a 2nd earth age , an created flesh man & woman,.. an this age is a testing ground,.. who will you love ?

some thing everyone seems to get some wrong ideas about:The BIBLE doesn't say he causes all to have his mark "ON" their hand or "ON" their forehead, it says "IN". Next the beast is Spiritual. When it says coming out of the sea I think that would indicate "Sea of peoples" or nations" thus the seven heads and ten horns. Finally the number 666 may indicate money . 666 is identified in 1Kings 10:14 which was the amount of gold Solomon receive in one year. Do the math, he was very rich.

I was taught that this part of the Book of Revelation (where Satan and the evil angels that followed him; were kicked out of heaven by Michael the Archangel)

Happened before Genesis 1:1

The Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. Job10:22

A quick flip over to John 1:1-5

It is almost palpable that everything and the Holy Spirit were waiting for the WORD to speak:

Psalm 33:6-7

God started Time ticking on earth.

The Word God spoke: Let there be....

Studying Genesis is so much more revealing when us search the "center of each page reference column scriptures, with it". Study Bibles with that verticle center column, makes study more interesting. There's nuggets of gold all through the Bible. I had to learn Not To Speed Read through Genesis. There's a treasure just in Job's reference columns.

Correct, the 6th trump is not as yet ,.. satin must first , show up ( when Michael kicks him an his angels out of heaven ) Revelation chapter 12 vs's 7 - 11 ,.. so when he is finally on earth deceiving many , an those who follow, are the ones that have the mark of the beast,..