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Hey GiGi,

Jesus said this before He was crucified, so do we look at it in a different light? We all have crosses to bear if said in unserious, or true difficulties, losses, and deficiencies in physical or financial health, or harms we have done to others. We can allegorize any difficulty we have as a cross to bear but how shallow would that be?

If we look at the crucifixions done back then, those who were crucified were thieves, murderers, and those who rebelled against the authorities. They were made to carry their beams/crosses to where they would be put to death. They were in complete and utter submission to authority and humiliated and were made examples. Reminds me of Revelation 16:15.

So maybe that is the cross we are supposed to carry, submission, and complete allegiance to Him? Not just one day a week but every day, examining our hearts. Studying the word of God and checking our motives, why we do what we do, and our desires, are they for His will, or for ours?

Just my thoughts.

God bless,

RLW

Too many follow their own imagination, based on ill interpretations of the Bible. America is being prepared for her visitation, and no one will know why or where it comes from. America will fall while the sun was yet high in the sky, Jeremiah 15:7-9

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4 KJV

"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:28 KJV

"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" Mark 12:29 KJV

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

"And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments." Revelation 16:7 KJV

Romans 10:9 , Luke 2:11, Philippians 2:11, 2 Corinthians 4:5

Amen.

The great river Euphrates drying up 2022 these times are recorded we live in amazing times but few can see.

Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 16:13, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Numbers 12:6-8,

Hopefully these are helpful

Concluding thoughts on seventh vial in Revelation 16

We see here; in the seventh vial judgment a great hail coming down on the earth which fits into the scenario of the Ezekiel 38 war. This is tied in with the greatest earthquake ever in verse 18; and Babylon the Great to be judged; the "great city" whatever that is-possibly Jerusalem being split in three pieces and all the cities of the nations falling.

See Ezekiel 6:6; ; Isaiah 30:25; Ezekiel 38:22; Zechariah 14:2; Isaiah 13:9.

In this chapter; we see the most severe and rapid fire sequence of judgments. These are exclusively involving the reprobate (with the exception of a few hidden away in the wilderness or a handful scattered in certain places). We see in the first vial a reaction for those with the mark. Some have suggested that mercury or other toxins in computer chips could affect people this way.

The TOTAL destruction of life in the sea (ostensively indicating all the oceans in the world) is mind numbing. The exception would be the marine life in the Dead Sea which is destined (as is already starting) to have fresh water come into it; which will accellerate in the Millenium and beyond when water flows from the Holy City.

The fresh water sources of the whole world are then turned to "blood". Whether this is literal blood or some blood red contaminant may not be entirely clear here; but we have a precedent with Egyptian plagues here and with other vial judgments.

The fourth vial; fifth and seventh all indicate a lack of repentance and continuing blasphemies against God. The sixth seal uses demons to convince men to fight at Armageddon after gathering there (v. 12-16). This probably has something to do with the East vs West (as Daniel states that there are rumors from the North and East that bother Antichrist in chapter 11; verse 44); but evolves into people fighting amongst themselves then turning against Christ when they are immediately destroyed. When we realize that at the end of the Millennium Satan is released one more time for yet ANOTHER insurrection to overthrow God we realize how deluded unregenerate men's minds are as well as how wicked Satan is.

We see that there is unrestrained judgment here in accordance with man's complete lack of repentance. Man repeats what the Beast spews forth in Revelation 13 and somehow thinks that they can "forecast a device" against the Lord ( Psalm 21:11). Let us do His work while it is yet day ( John 9:4).

I do not believe in a pre-trib. rapture. The following verse would suggest that believers will see the anti-christ which takes us through chapter 14 of Revelation. 2 Thessalonians 2 1-3,Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; It appears the saints are still on earth in Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Maybe the reason the church isn't mentioned in Revelation is she has defiled herself with the whore of Revelation 17 & 18. Maybe just isolated pockets of believers at that time within the so called church. Remember in the first part of Revelation Jesus said he would remove their candlestick if they didn't repent. Just some thoughts.

6th Seal, 6th Vial, and 6th Trumpet (666) it is a number and they all pertain/describe to the beast, and his coming.

Satan comes at the 6th trump, 6th vial and 6th seal, Christ comes at the 7th.

What are these seals? The Knowledge of God's Word, To know God's word, His Plan.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6th seal, You need to know Satan will appear in Jerusalem and says he is God by imitating the Messiah

What are the Trumpets? Trumpets are the actions, what's going to happen, when the trumpets sounds.

Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates(tribulation)time of Jacobs Trouble.

What are the Vials? The wraths of God poured out.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water there of was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The Seals are whats in the vials, and are poured out when the Trumpet sounds,,,, there are 7 seals, vials and trumpets,,,

Hi Bukola. Some of those would be as follows:

Noadiah ( Nehemiah 6:14); Hananiah (Jeremiah chapter 28); Ahab & Zedekiah ( Jeremiah 29:21); Barjesus/Elymas ( Acts 13:6); the false prophet in Revelation 16:13; 19:20; 20:10.

People often ask, how can a loving God send someone to hell.

That's hard to accept, even in the Christian community. It's not uncommon for one to fashion doctrine to a more suitable doctrine for their itching ears.

If nothing else we have clarity the scripture warns us of these things.

Let's take a look at the nature of man apart from the Holy Spirit.

Here in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. I believe we have the Holyspirit/restrainer being removed, "likely at the rapture" We see a series of evil events take place by the Antichrist.

"And now ye know what WITHHOLDETH that he might be revealed in his time.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: ONLY HE WHO NOW LETTETH WILL LET, UNTIL HE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY."

Now notice the ungenerated and unrepentant heart of man in Revelation 16:8-11.

"And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

And men were scorched with great heat, AND BLASPHEMED THE NAME OF GOD, WHICH HATH POWER OVER THESE PLAGUES: AND THEY REPENTED NOT TO GIVE HIM GLORY.

And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; AND THEY GNAWED THEIR TONGUES FOR PAIN,

AND BLASPHEMED THE GOD OF HEAVEN BECAUSE OF THEIR PAINS AND THEIR SORES, AND REPENTED NOT OF THEIR DEEDS.

The ungenerated man has the same nature as his father Satan.

Daniel 12:2.

God bless.

Prophets, Prophetic, gifts of Prophecy in New Testament

Romans 12:6,

2Peter 1:16-21,

1Timothy 4:14,

Revelation 1:3,

Gifting working within the Body: 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, direction concerning in Church: 1Corinthians 14:29-40,

Prophets yet to come: Revelation 11:3-19, false prophet yet to come: Revelation 16:12-15, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Revelation 19:10,

Revelation 22,

John the Baptist referred to as Prophet: Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, Luke 7:26,28, Luke 20:3-20, John 1:19-37,

Acts 3:22-26, Acts 7:35-60, Titus 1:12,

Matthew 10:41,

Jesus talking about Prophets in HIS day, referred to himself also: Matthew 21:26, Matthew 11:9, Mark 11:32, John 4:4,

Luke 13:33, Luke 24,

Paul & others acknowledged prophecy, Prophets, even Women that did Prophecy: Acts 21:8-14,

Hope these are helpful

Hello John. I only recall there is only one Tribulation still to come. It is called, The Great Tribulation ( Matthew 24:21). Jesus said in John 16:33, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Here, 'tribulation' is simply the sufferings, hardships, even persecutions that we all might face (as also Romans 8:35; 2 Corinthians 7:4; etc.). But the Great Tribulation that Jesus speaks of, & other epistle writers also refer to, is the time of the outpouring of God's Wrath ( Revelation 6:17; Revelation 16:1; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Ephesians 5:6); an anger against the accumulated wickedness of Earth's inhabitants which cannot be held back by Him any longer. The deaths & devastation will be frightening to say the least & the world will know that this is the Anger of the Lord upon them & none will be innocent bystanders - all those left on Earth will stand guilty before Him.

Mark 2:27 "And He (Jesus) said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath:" 28 "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Jesus became our sabbath. The word sabbath taken back to it's prime (Strong's concordance 7676 from 7673)in the Hebrew means 'to rest.'

Jesus speaking in Matt 11:28 "Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." 29 "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." 30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light."

When we stay in the Word and walk in His light we keep the sabbath daily which gives us restful peace knowing the world has no power over us as we wear the armour of God.

Lets talk about Sabbath first.

Many things from the OT are not valid now Sacrifices, offerings, commandments, holy days etc have no place in NT. One of them is Sabbath.

See Colossians 2:16. Here apostole Paul says to Colosians that no man can judge them because they didn't follow OT's practises, including (pay attention) Sabbath as some Jewish christians claimed. Paul dismisses this idea.

Christians soon chose the first day of the week for their formal congregation during which they "broke bread" that is take the Body and Blood of Jesus Crist or as some churches name it have Holly Communion, see Acts 20:7,

Also in 1 Corinthians 11:20 Paul talks about Lord's Super, (but the greek text says Lord's Day super "Kyriako deipno") . Lord's Day is how early Christians called Sunday. Early Christians had the Holly Communion during a super just as Jesus did with His Disciples. This practice was abandoned sometime during the 2nd century AD and the Holly Communion was transferred from the church's super to the formal Sunday service.

Also see 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul says to Christians in Corinth to gather money on Lord's Day.

Also in Revelation 1:10 apostole John talks about Lord's Day

So the formal day for christians at the time that the apostles lived was Sunday,. Sabbath has nothing to do with us now Many other verses that i cannot remember now verify that the Sunday and not Sabbath was the formal day for early christians.

You can find all those things in books about the history of church.

Now as far as commandments are concerned to be honest i have no idea what the Catholic church has done.

God bless you.

Hi Steve. Yes, the RC version of the Decalogue involves taking the first three commandments & reducing them to two. Therefore, the fourth commandment becomes the third. And of course, the tenth commandment is split into two, making it the ninth & tenth.

Nowhere in Bible has the Sabbath Day (the seventh day - in the fourth commandment) been changed to the the first day of the week. When Christians choose to worship on the first day of the week, this is not a Sabbath replacement, as the Sabbath was a day of complete rest for Israel, as ordained by God. Sunday for the Christian is a day chosen to meet together for worship (i.e. in most parts of the world; some countries have other days). This might be in line with the early Church meeting on the first day of the week, called the Lord's Day ( Acts 20:7).

Malachi 3:6

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

John 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God.

Romans 1:28

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

God does not change His mind about His Word; Jesus or the Bible.

People/priests however do change Gods word and are subject to what is written at the end of Revelation 22. They do it to themselves and hurt others by saying their decisions are right.

By knowing the Bible we can avoid pitfalls to our faith in God. If your church is political and makes changes politically, you have a responsibility to separate yourself from that church; seek one teaching the WHOLE BIBLE and not omitting or adding to "the Bible".

There is no "wiggle" room on these matters. Jesus said, FOLLOW ME. You bear the responsibility to change your Church Affiliation. Period.

Jesus is returning soon and there isn't another 100 years to flesh out the problems of religious political issues. They just want your financial support. Find a real Bible teaching Church. Not those that mix in philosophy, how to be happy happy in your life without change; marriage counselors, and subjects that are not scripturally based.

Super Churches are not able to give one on one, encouragement to their parishioners.

Bottom line: Follow Jesus. We are HIS DISCIPLES on this earth.

Where are the scripture(s) that show where god changed the sabbath the

seventh day of the week to sunday the first day of the week and why are the catholic ten commandments are missing the 4th and 2nd commandments and split the 10th to make ten???? i cant find them anywhere........

Hell is detailed throughout the Bible. Hell is real and so are the various layers within. The Bottomless pit is a void where God keeps demons captive until they receive their judgment and punishment, also in the Lake of Fire. If you read in the following verses in Luke chapter 8 we're given an idea of the demons that were therein:

Luke 8: 30 & 31

"And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep."

Hi Albert, the Book of the Revelation makes reference to the 'bottomless pit' in several places: Revelation chapters 9, 11, 17 & 20. And this place is generally seen as Hell, the domain of Satan, his devils, & the wicked. This place is different to their final place of judgement: the Lake of Fire (Revelation chapters 19, 20 & 21).

where in the bible dose it talk about the bottomless pit

According to Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV Bible there are three variant Greek words translated devils.

The root word in his Greek dictionary of the New Testament is:

1142.

Transliteration daimn (Key)

Pronunciation dah'-ee-mown

Part of Speech masculine/feminine noun

Root Word (Etymology) From daio (to distribute fortunes)

a daemon or super-natural spirit (of a bad nature); - devil.

Matthew 8:31; Mark 5:12; Revelation 16:14; Revelation 18:2.

1139.

Transliteration daimonizomai (Key)

Pronunciation dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee

Part of Speech verb

Root Word (Etymology) Middle voice from (G1142)

to be exercised by a daemon;-have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil (-s).

Matthew 4:24; Matthew 8:16; Matthew 8:28; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:36

1140.

Transliteration daimonion (Key)

Pronunciation dahee-mon'-ee-on

Part of Speech neuter noun

Root Word (Etymology) Neuter of a derivative of (G1142)

a demonic being; by extension a diety:-devil, god.

Matthew 7:22; Matthew 9:34; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 12:24,27,28; Mark 1:34,39; Mark 3:15,22; Mark 6:13; Mark 9:38; Mark 16:9,17; Luke 4:41; Luke 8:2,27,30,33,35,38; Luke 9:1,49; Luke 10:17; Luke 12:15,18,19,20; Luke 13:32; 1 Corinthians 10:20-21; 1 Timothy 4:1; James 2:19; Revelation 9:20.

demon - The Modern English word demon derives from the Middle English demon: from medieval Latin demon, from Latin daemon, from Greek daimn 'deity, genius'; in demon; also from Latin daemonium 'lesser or evil spirit', from Greek daemonion, diminutive of daimn.

devils - The Modern English word devil derives from the Middle English devel, from the Old English dofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of the Latin diabolus.

The KJV translation is not a word for word or uniquely and infallible inspired representation of the Greek New Testament, and we should be cautious in choosing which English words in it we want to make our hills to die on without first consulting the Greek.

"Baptism by fire is a reference to the day of the Lord, where the recipients of the 'abomination of desolation' are burned up by the flame. It is Jesus who comes like a thief in the night to lay the land desolate 1 Thessalonians 5:2, Revelation 16:15

Hey James,

In Genesis 8:20-21 Noah offered burnt offerings on the altar of every clean beast and every clean fowl to God. The Burnt Offering, Olah in Hebrew, is the oldest sacrifice, we see it later the daily sacrifice, the Tamid. The burnt offering was the only offering that was entirely burned, all is given to God. Were there only two of each animal went in the ark? Genesis 7:1-3

In Genesis 3:21 when God clothed Adam and Eve with coats of skin is a shadow of the sacrifice of Jesus and when we accept this gift we are clothed with the garment of salvation, the robe of righteousness, white and spotless. Isaiah 61:10 As God did for Adam and Eve this garment covers our sins that we may not walk naked and our shame shall be seen, Revelation 3:4 Revelation 16:15.

God made a covenant with Noah and all living creatures that He would not destroy the world with water ever again and symbolized it with a rainbow. God gave a commandment to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, we see later they did not obey (the tower of Babel). All animals and creatures would fear man.

This is the first time in scripture where God gives the penalty for murder. The penalty for taking a life is the death of the murderer. When the life of a person is taken. God will require the punishment of death, whether the one who kills a person is a man or an animal. You will find this in Genesis 9.

God bless,

RLW

Hello, Perhaps these vials have a lot to do with cause and effect. In the day that we live, many minds are turned towards violence and corruption. We can feed on news/entertainments that have these evils, which increases demand, which increases our fleshly appetites. Might God while time remains in the flesh pronounce judgements upon man, while yet there remain saints that have transparent lives in the flesh saved by grace (where the mark of faith is in Jesus as he is first in our minds). Oh, but the beast cannot stand not having his mark on the saints and prophets in the earth. The plagues of Revelation 15 and the vials of Revelation 16 can be seen in effect today. The opposing army of Armageddon is a mystery that has perhaps its answer in a sudden end of time. Thus we must watch and pray in our day how this battle for our soul is playing.

Hello Bob. This chapter speaks about the Great Tribulation days, when those left on the Earth, subscribe to the Anti-Christ's demands & worship him. It is upon those who will suffer under God's Wrath & receive this "noisome and grievous sore" (or, an evil/malicious festering sore/ulcer) cf: Exodus 9:8-10 (of God's Anger to the Egyptians) - and this was only the first vial of God's Wrath during that extended period of time. Much more horrors to come. From the texts pertaining to this time in history, it would be difficult to corroborate the Covid vaccine's present effects felt by some, with that Scripture.

revelation 16:2 is this a result from the experimental mRNA injection given around the world now?

Brother Mishael, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Revelation 16:12 .... that the way of the kings of the east be prepared.

Revelation is the REVEALING of JESUS CHRIST.

I BELIEVE the kings of the east represents the BORN AGAIN.

Revelation 5:10 And hath made us unto our God KINGS ....

Matthew 2:1 ....and there came KINGS from the EAST (to worship) ...

It's hard to apply countries to Revelation, because in the last two thousand years anyone living at any given time could make Revelation fit their TIME.

Look at Revelation how it FITS CHRIST.

Food for thought, SPIRIT reveals.

Revelation 16:12

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the EAST.

[comment: formerly called the Silk Road; which has been rebuilt.

Revelation 9:14-18

The number of mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number. And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the COLOR of fire and of sapphire and of sulfur (national colors of China) and the heads of the horses were like lions' heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. By these THREE PLAGUES, A THIRD OF MANKIND IS KILLED by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths.

Isaiah 49:12

Behold, these shall come from AFAR, and behold, these from the north and from the west, and these from the land of SYENE.

China gave us Swine FLU. SARS virus, Corona virus. (Google "Past Pandemic LIST"; has World death totals.

Not only COVID is a respiratory illness: emphysema, bronchitis, asthma, pneumonia, influenza & more. We seek help for that, don't we?

Jesus told us in Matthew 24, that "pestilence, plagues (pandemics) would be a SIGN. There is no condemnation for help, if you can't breathe. We live in a increasingly contaminated world. That's why there will be an end to all things. 2 Peter 3

Practice common sense, cleanliness; and be wise as a serpent; mild as a dove. Obey those who have rule over you. God will honor our faithfulness to His Word.

There wouldn't be mentions of China in Scripture if it wasn't TRUE. Jesus is at the door. Keep your faith in Him, strong.

Have we not been vaccinated for flu and pneumonia? THE MARK OF THE BEAST is in the HAND OR FOREHEAD. Says nothing about arms.

In history there have been other Corona virus outbreaks. Read that list in google.

I was vaccinated after I saw the past outbreaks.

Avoid Chinese meat.

Mishael

Answering some questions (just a passerby looking for something) and thought I'd offer some unsolicited thoughts.

Q: "I never understand Why people want to know what Not Canonized scripture means?

WHY is not the King James Bible good enough for you?"

A:The Apocrypha was in the King James Bible up until the 19th century and in speaking of Ecclesiasticus, it was regarded as practical wisdom in the least and holy writ at most depending on which church "father" you regard. James, as in the brother of our Messiah, for instance, appears to reference the book several times in his epistle.

Next question...

Who is Esau? Two passages and one non-Biblical source to get your journey started...

1) Ezekiel 35

2) Obadiah

3) The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Volume 5, page 41...

And you will have your answer...there is a reason why Yahushua (Jesus) said these things:

Matthew 12:34

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

And John the Baptist said it as well - arriving to TWO WITNESSES.

And this:

John 7:19

19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

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And ultimately, Jesus uses the same exact language to accuse the Pharisees as He does to mystery Babylon (which is the rulers of our generation - exciting times!):

Matthew 23:35

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 16:6

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Revelation 18:24

24 And in her was found the BLOOD OF PROPHETS, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth...

And oh so much more if one had a mind to just look!

You're welcome!