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  • Lee on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    In Revelation when John went to Heaven, who were the 24 elders that he saw worshiping GOD on their knees?

    Thank you
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Hi Donna.

    This is a highly debated topic.

    I believe the concept here is NO Polygamy.

    God made all of us able ministers with diverse gifts,

    We are a new creature in Christ.

    2 Corinthians 3:5-6. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

    Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
  • Pastor-Ronnie Williams - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    To JB, on Revelation 1; Compare our hearts to a landfill, the more garbage we put in the more it fills up, untill it flows out the top. We can try to cover up the garbage but the stinch is still there. Were better off if we never put the trash in there! An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure. God Bless!
  • Bro Barney - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; (the word bishop, elder, and deacon were interchangeable for overseer or leaders of the congregation)

    1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

    Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

    Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

    Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

    God bless
  • Donna on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    What does the Bible say about leaders of the church (preachers and so on having one wife. Are they qualified to preach
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Jb,

    Here's what it is referring to in Philippians 4:8:

    It says, whatsoever things are true: that is truth. Think about things that are the truth, especially in Christ.

    Secondly, whatsoever things are honest: the word honest means something that is honorable and reverent toward God. If it honors the Lord!

    Whatsoever things are just: that's the word for righteousness. And it means those things that are right with God.

    Whatsoever things are pure: this word comes from the word for separation. And it means concentrate or think on those things that are separated from the corruption of the world, things that are pure, unmixed with the world.

    Whatsoever things are lovely: that is whatever things that are pleasing from a spiritual perspective.

    Whatsoever things are of good report: this word comes from the word fame. So when people come and give you a report about somebody else, only listen to reports that are of good report that fits in with everything else, pure, pleasing spiritually. Don't listen to the negative reports.

    He says if there be any virtue, (ARETE), and it means character, anything for the development of your character. And if there be any praise to God, the command is to think on these things.

    The Greek word for think is LOGIZESTHE, and it is where we get our word logic from, the reasoning processes. It is a Present Imperative which means continue to set your reasonings and your thoughts on these things.

    We have control over what we meditate on and focus on. But we sometimes worry to the point of sickness because we want to handle things ourselves. We're supposed to just trust the Lord with it, but we don't want to let go of it, we want to worry about it, you know? It's like if I let God take care of it then it might not get done right, so I've got to do it.
  • Sacha - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Hi Jb ,i read novels (fiction) ,i cant remember the last time i read a 'modern' novel ,this is not prohibited for Christians , most of the stuff i read is quite old and isnt rude or violent ,i usually like to know a bit about the author before i read anything by them ,i believe as long as you are choosey and discerning its ok but others may disagree ,my favourite writers are :tolstoy ,dostoyevsky ,edith wharton ,kurt vonegut and im hoping to read les miserables by victor hugo soon ,theres lots of good stuff out there but its best to do a bit of research first ,franz kafka is also a bit good ,albert camus etc etc etc ,make sure you dont neglect your Bible though ! I always read the Bible before i read my novel and some times i get so engrossed in the Bible i neglect to read my novel !
  • Joe - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Although scripture does not explicity state, I believe the father of Judas Iscariot was named Simon BUT NOT Simon Peter.

    Iscariot is actually an epithet given to Judas to distinguish him from others named Judas. Scholars have debated exactly how Iscariot was meant - ranging from 'a man from kerioth' to 'liar' to 'dagger man' to 'assassin'.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    Yes, God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Jerry. part 3.

    Romans 3:19-28. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    2 Corinthians 3:6-11. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

    But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

    How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

    For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

    For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

    For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

    God bless you.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Jerry. part 2.

    If you are thinking we are grafted in by keeping the Law you are mistaking, you are missing the point in Romans 11.

    Romans 11:20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

    You are expecting to be grafted into a branch that has been broken off!

    I'm not sure if you are implying salvation comes by keeping the 10 commandments, if you are the bible don't state that.

    Galatians 3:16-26. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

    For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

    Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

    Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

    But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

    But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    We're not grafted into Israel. Israel is a branch. We're grafted into the vine to bare fruit.

    I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. John 15:1.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Jerry

    i don't see anywhere in this tread where someone said the the sabbath was moved to Sunday, in fact we Adam said made it clear "Sounds like gathering on the first day ( Acts 20:7) of the week to worship is being confused with observing the Sabbath." in other words we're not saying that.

    We're saying they gathered on the 1st day of the week.

    following Christ is a 24/7 lifestyle that the Holyspirit moves you to do, not the 10 commandments, so yes Saturday is a Holy Day and so is the other 6 days. I also don't see where I or anyone said the 10 commandments was abolished, but I gave you Colossians 2:14-17 (KJV) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    What Paul is saying here is what he said in Romans 7:9.For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And Romans 8:3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    And where did we judge you?

    Romans 14:4. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

    One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

    He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

    GOD BLESS
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Brother Jerry, I agree that the disciples DID NOT change the Sabbath Day from Saturday to Sunday.

    This kind of false doctrine is preached far and wide today.....by "make you feel good pastors" meaning pastors that are more interested in expanding their church membership=more money for them.

    The path to heaven is narrow and the gate small....wide is the highway to hell.....don't believe me...read the scripture.

    Matthew 7:13

    "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

    Matthew 7:14

    "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

    Don't depend on men...they will lead you astray...read and understand the Bible scripture for yourself. Pray that the Holy Sprit will help you understand!

    Happy Sabbath Day!

    God Bless
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    I agree the Sabbath for Christians is Saturday, and always has been.....from the creation of this world.

    Man cannot add or subtract any of the 10 commandments.

    This world is evil, and there are many false religions teaching others to ignore or minimize the commandments of God.

    For those out there that believe they can ignore the 4th commandment, what don't you believe in the verse's below that came straight from Christ's mouth:

    John 14:21

    "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

    Matthew 5:17

    "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

    Matthew 5:18

    "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

    Most Christians are very aware of the above stated verses....but they minimize them, because reverend so and so said this, or that, and I hear all kinds of excuse's that we can ignore this commandment or that commandment, including because Apostle Paul said this or that. Man can read the bible and twist words to mean anything that might suit their agenda.

    We need to believe what Jesus said in the bible, he is speaking the words of "His Father".

    John 12:49

    "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

    John 12:50

    "And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

    Living life today, while respecting God's commandment's my be an inconvenience for all of us - at times.....but we need to strive to follow Christ, just as Christ followed his Fathers Laws. Are we any better than Christ?

    Happy Sabbath Day!

    God Bless
  • Jerry R - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    S Spencer, There is no proof in Acts that the disciples changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The meeting with the disciples in chapter 20 was a one time event. The church was not born there: but the church of God was purchased by the blood of Christ; verse 28. I have not been able to find anywhere in the KJV scripture, the phrase "The Lord's Day" being used to describe the Sabbath Day.
  • Jerry R - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    S Spencer...Are we not sojourners and grafted in with the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ? Maybe some of us are direct descendants. The 10 commandments are eternal creation covenants made by our Creator, which preceded the complete formation of the Nation of Israel, and nothing in the New Testament abolishes any of the 10 commandments. Many of the ordinances, laws, and punishments yes: but NONE of the all encompassing 10 commandments. I have been through many of the same arguments that you give from Paul's writings. If I did agree with you that his writings abolished ANY of the 10 commandments; then I would be listening to man and not God Almighty. So in closing, I will ask you not to judge me in Remembering the weekly sabbath day (the 7th day), and to keep it Holy as instructed by the LORD my God. Additionally, The Messiah Yeshua Hamashiach instructs me in John 14; 15 that if I love Him, I will keep His commandments: and John 15; 10: showing that He always keeps His Father's commandments. Lastly I will no longer recognize pagan holidays such as ishtar/easter, or Nimrod's "christmas". I will do my best to learn and celebrate Biblical Holy Days such as Passover and the Feasts. Shabbat Shalom.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Jerry.

    Jesus was dead on the Sabbath day. It was on the first day of the week that He came forth from the dead. And when we turn to the resurrection account in the Gospel of Matthew (which was written primarily to Israel), it opens with:

    In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week. Matthew 28:1.

    "At the end of the sabbath" - not just the end of a day, but the end of keeping the Sabbath day - "it began to dawn toward the first day of the week." That is tremendous!

    Pentecost - The Church Was Born

    Then we turn to the Book of Acts, and there we read that the church was born - and not on a Sabbath day, but on the Lord's Day, the first day of the week. Notice Acts 2:1:

    And when the day of Pentecost was fully come.

    What does the Bible mean by "fully come"? Does it mean when the sun had come up? No.

    It means "When the day of Pentecost [and all of which it spoke] was come." That which Pentecost had symbolized in the Old Testament is now come. It was the first day of the week, the only first day of the week Israel ever observed - for they observed seven Sabbath days after Passover, and then the day following the seventh Sabbath was Pentecost:

    On that day the Holy Spirit came!

    On that day the church was born!

    Proof they worshiped on a Sunday.

    Acts 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

    1 Corinthians 16:2. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

    I agree with Adam, we worship all the days of our lives.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Hi Jerry.

    Exodus 31:13-14, 16-17 (KJV) Speak thou also unto the. "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, "saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

    Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among " HIS PEOPLE".

    Wherefore the ""CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.""shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout ""THEIR""generations, for a perpetual covenant.

    ""IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL""

    for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

    Do you noticed he never gave that commandment to the rest of the world?

    Now look what Paul says concerning those same sabbaths:

    Colossians 2:14-17 (KJV) BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    LET NO MAN THEREFORE JUDGE YOU IN MEAT, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OF AN HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS:

    ""WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME;"" but the body is of Christ.
  • Jerry R - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Replying to Adam: I agree with most of your statements, but I must agree with Brian that the sabbath day is to be remembered and kept holy; therefore the specific gathering day for corporate worship is extremely important. Otherwise Lord God would not have made it one of the all encompassing 10 commandments. I also agree with Bryan that the sabbath day was changed by Constantine, while trying to unite pagans and Christians. May God bless and keep you and yours.
  • Erech Christ Nimrod on Isaiah 40 - 4 years ago
    Wait, Pray, Meditate on Father God. Be a Spiritual detective and seek the lessons to be learned as we walk through and out the valley of the shadow of death (23rd Psalms). God is LOVE ( 1 John 4:8, 16). And like a Good Parent, Father God must Give tough LOVE at times. We will, and are by Faith, Flying like Eagles right here and right now through the Spirit of God In Us. We wait on the LORD to Fly Higher to get Stronger. This time in history looks scary (Matthew chapter 24). But We WIN like Jesus Christ WON!!! Christ Conquered death for us ( Revelation 1:18). Amen. God and Christ LOVES us.
  • Simon on 2 Chronicles 10 - 4 years ago
    Part 4

    Ezekiel 38:18-23

    The Lord Jesus Christ standing on Mount Olive:

    The seventh trumpet sounds:

    ( Revelation 16:15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. [Jesus comes as a thief at both sixth & seventh trumpets]

    vs 18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face

    vs 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

    ( Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. ( Revelation 16:17) ( John 19:30)

    ( Ezekiel 37:1-14) Resurrection: ...vs 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. vs 11 ...these bones are the whole house of Israel. vs 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,..

    ( Matthew 24:30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    ( Revelation 1:7)

    ( Revelation 19:11-16)

    ( Revelation 19:19-20)

    vs 20 ...Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. ( Zechariah 14:1-4) ....Then shall the LORD go forth...And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...

    ( Zechariah 14:12)

    God removes the 'northern army':

    ( Joel 2:20-21)

    ( Daniel 11:40)

    ( Jeremiah 6:22-23)

    ( Jeremiah 50:3)

    ( Jeremiah 50:41)

    vs 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
  • S Spencer on Joshua 1 - 4 years ago
    Perhaps Great way to get to the Truth in a scripture when there is a debatable topic is to consider ALL the scripture, especially the ones directly associated with the topic.

    If you don't believe a scripture is saying what your counterpart is saying, ( Explain what it do mean, Don't treat it like it don't exist.)

    See what it's saying in the original language.

    And see if it Line up with the 66 books.

    For example:

    Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, ""the Almighty."

    Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, ""The mighty God,""

    ""The everlasting Father,"" The Prince of Peace.

    And these 2 out of Malachi:

    Malachi 2:17 (KJV) Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

    Malachi 3:1 (KJV) Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

    Don't just Argue your points, Give your interpretation to the other viewers point.
  • Simon on Daniel 8 - 4 years ago
    satan's spiritual relationship with antichrist parallels that of God to Jesus.

    -God's Spirit is counterfeited by satan spirit

    -Jesus' Spirit is counterfeited by antichrist spirit

    -Holy Ghost is counterfeited by the false prophet spirit

    1) Jesus's ministry was 42 months

    To: ( Revelation 13:5) antichrist receives 42 months

    2) ( Revelation 1:8)

    To ( Revelation 17:8)

    3) ( Revelation 5:6)

    To: ( Revelation 13:3)

    The three evil spirits that God had stricken us with, to prove us, are gone. ( Revelation 16:13) ( Revelation 19:20) ( Revelation 20:10). It is the dragon (satan) the boss that gets locked up for 1,000 years..

    Below is conclusive "mirroring" evidence of the spirit world hierarchy:

    ( Daniel 8:24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    "but not by his own power" as that power comes from the dragon, given from God.

    ( Revelation 13:2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    "the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority". satan gives power to antichrist, antichrist is the son of satan, but antichrist is not satan. antichrist is under the possession of satan.

    ( Titus 2:13) Many scriptures point to Jesus being God, but this hierarchy evidence can't be overlooked. Jesus told his adversaries all along who he was, but they didn't have the wherewithal to grasp it, Jesus continually said His power was not of His own, but of the Father. The theologians argue this paradox out to contention.

    ( John 5:19) ...The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do....

    ( John 12:49) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me....
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Genesis 4:1 - 4 years ago
    Walt, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Man didn't start with eve; man started with Christ. Adam was just a shadow of the TRUE FIRST MAN CREATED.

    Revelation 3:14 .... the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD...

    The true witness is Christ.

    Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness....

    Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the ENDING....

    Jesus was the first man created; and when HIS WORKS are finished, He will be the LAST MAN created.

    Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, and THEY ARE CREATED; and thou renewest the face of the earth.

    Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the Lord.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he (GOD) did foreknow (ALL CREATION), he also did predestinate to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, that he (THE SON) might be the firstborn (FIRST MAN OF CREATION) among many brethren (LAST MAN OF CREATION).
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Colossians 1:15 - 4 years ago
    Hi Tom,

    Do you mind If I humor you abit?

    Do Christ have an actual birthday?

    I'm sure that sounds silly because the scripture is clear he has no beginning,

    How do you define a father and son relationship "Biologically"?

    No doubt the father existed before his son, there's not way we can comprehend any other way, this is natural!

    Now do we view God the father and Christ the son in the same biological way? NO! and that's unnatural.

    God "IS" Everlasting and Jesus came out of the bosom of Everlasting.

    When you make your argument you make it from an biological/natural point of view when their relationship is not biological or natural.

    When you see father and son you comprehend that from the creatures stand point.

    But when you see Jesus mentions the Father and son he says me and the father are One and if you seen me you seen the father, He says that from the Duel Creator standpoint

    You're trying to grasp that Biologically but you can't because Father AND the Son is Everlasting!

    Apart from what's given from that,

    is what the scripture says directly.

    Isaiah 9:6. The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (the Almighty) "Look up the all mighty in the greek"

    Malachi 2:17. Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

    Malachi 3:1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

    YOU CANT LOOK THE OTHER WAY AS IF THESE VERSES DON'T EXIST. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM.

    TELL ME HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THEM???

    AND THERE IS MANY MORE.
  • Tpmu on Revelation 1:13 - 4 years ago
    I don't get it, he says, one like unto the son of man, he doesn't say the son of man.
  • Leo Emmanuel Lochard - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 4 years ago
    My comments addressed all the godless humanist "ISM's - among which, ZIONISM, 1896, and NOT the book of Genesis, which is also God's living Word prophesying the coming of Christ Jesus Messiah Lord God Savior Redeemer in GENESIS 3:15, KJV, where Christ is referred to as THE SEED OF WOMAN, and not as "descendant" or "offspring" that begs focus and concentration on carnal biological genealogical flesh lineage that contradicts God's Word in the Book of John that we are BORN OF GOD and that THE FLESH IS OF NO AVAIL ( JOHN 1: 1-18; JOHN 3:16; JOHN 6:63; JOHN 17:3; HEBREWS 8:13; HEBREWS 13:8; REVELATION 1:7; REVELATION 20, 21, 22, KJV 1611, HOLY BIBLE). ***
  • Mishael READING THE BIBLE - In Reply on Matthew 27:54 - 4 years ago
    Revelation 1:3

    3 Blessed is he THAT READETH, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    Comment: Every time you read the Book of Revelation, you receive a blessing from God.

    If Revelation is mysterious to you, I challenge you to overcome prejudice, gossip and slander... and listen to Oral Roberts teaching the whole Book of Revelation. There is nothing out of order or "charismatic" to scare you. Just good teaching.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 4 years ago
    Emily, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation is about the Kingdom of God; CHRIST IN YOU. It applies to every person and their relationship with HIM. It's hidden in symbols. The Spirit has to reveal these truths to you.

    Have you bought are sold anything in the last few days.

    You are the temple of God; are you familiar with what happened to the people BUYING AND SELLING in HIS TEMPLE. Is the buying and selling more important or is HE AND HIS SANCTIFIED TEMPLE what's important.

    John 2:15-16

    Revelation 1:3 FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 4 years ago
    Use the Search Box. Search these words: astrologers, stars, prognosticators, consult

    There is a DEATH sentence for those who mislead others.

    King Saul consulted with a witch. His persistence got his kingdom taken from him and given to David.

    See, the Bible has all of these things.

    If you want a daily word from God, on any issue; start reading His Word, and talking to Him on a daily basis.

    I was an astrologer. You don't want to mess with that stuff. Too many demons follow your interest and "make things happen" so you'll believe in it. If you have any astrology paraphernalia in your house, destroy it. Acts 19:19


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