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Sorry i made a mistake it is in Revelation 1:10 that the Day of the Lord is first mentioned in the Gospel.

It wasn't the Jesuits who changed the Sabbath.

Sabbath was the last day of the Jewish week (ours Saturday) and it was a Holly day for Jews. They were not permitted to do any work during that day.

The early church soon try to figure out which day to use for the Holly Communion, that is taking the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. The church rejected Sabbath, which for christians is just an ordinary day, because they didn't want to mix up Jedaism with Christianity so the selected the next day to Sabbath, the first day of the jewish week which they called it the '"Day of the Lord" and had the Holly Communion at that day. Unfortunately the english speaking nations as well as the germanic ones kept the roman names of the days of the week. Thus in english Sunday, in german Sontag which is day of sun, Monday, german Montag day of moon. That is not the case though in other languages that kept the initial names of the days. So that change was done at the very begging of Christianity. The very first mention of this day in Gospel is in Revelation 1:8. by apostle John.

As far as flat earth with dome, that was what the ancient people believed. We now know that earth is spherical and that dome is now called atmosphere.

God bless you.

Philip,

I'm not sure if you're asking a question here but here is my understanding of Revelation 4:5. This will be the expression of God's judgment whenever He judges. We see it throughout the book of Revelation. There will be lightnings and thunderings and sounds coming out from the throne.

And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God. We saw these seven spirits back in Revelation 1:4. Revelation 5:6 will tell us that these seven spirits of God are the seven eyes of God going throughout the world. It is the seven fold complete ministry of the Holy Spirit held by the Jews and of course the scripture teaches that.

In Zechariah Chapters 4 and 10, it also tells us that the seven lamps are the seven eyes of the Lord, the all-seeing one. So before the throne, the seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God.

The seven churches in Revelation 1:4 were actual churches in that region in that day. So the Lord is giving messages specifically for these seven. But they are not the only churches in these areas.



It is kind of interesting that if you do a little digging, you will find that each one of these cities is the head of the postal district in that area. So these are the main cities within their districts.

And there are other churches around, but the Lord picked out seven. And again, each church has its own problems, and each church has its own good points.

But everybody's church today has some of these things in it. In fact, if you put them all together, you would have the complete seven messages to the church before Christ comes back.

It tells us in Revelation 1:20 that the seven stars are the seven angels of these 7 churches.

Hebrews 9:27-28, Acts 2:22-35, Proverbs 15:11, 2Peter 2:4-8, Revelation 1:18, Revelation 20,

Matthew 27:50-54, Luke 16,

James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful in your searching for wisdom on this matter.

In red-lettering "the words of Jesus" - did He not speak in Old Testament days and prophetically in the Psalms??!! - i see Revelation 1:8 is ascribed to the Lord Jesus Christ. While v11 is the Lord Jesus Christ speaking, v8 is God on the Throne. From v4, God on the Throne is described throughout the book of Revelation as "he which is, which was and which is to come". Christ, however, is predominantly called "The Lamb". It would be helpful for those trying to unlock the book of Revelation for themselves to "black-letter" v8 and so distinguish between the Two Wonderful Divine Eternal Members of the Godhead who are each fulfilling Their function in man's Salvation and Judgment!! Thanks!

hopefully this is what you're asking for, but there is also a few more you will find throughout the NT.

Matthew 24:27 "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

Matthew 26:64 "Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

Mark 14:62 "And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."

Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

Acts 1:9-11, "Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Isaiah 46:10,

Genesis 1, Hebrews 1:10,

Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:13, John 1:1-5, Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:18, Luke 24:27, Revelation 3:14, Revelation 1:8,

Psalms 80:15-17, symbolic? Genesis 2, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, John 15,

Isaiah 53, Luke 23, Psalms 22, Mark 15:34, Mark 15, in context

Hebrews 9:24-28,

The last, 1Corinthians 15:45, Romans 5:12-21, John 19:30,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

Hi Joyce.

The only scripture I ran across that gives a description of the glorified Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:12-17. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Now if you would have seen him you would probably run. Just kidding.

I don't believe it was meant for us to put a great emphasis on the way he looked, Just what he came to do!!

But we do know he was a Jew.

God bless.

Sometimes I think ( just me maybe), wisdom begins in Leviticus 26, and Deuteronomy 28.

Knowing what God approves of and what He judges,will put us out in front of the murky areas of real life.

Every time we read the Book of Revelation, God blessed us! Revelation 1:3

Proverbs is a good starting place if you don't speed read through them. Read also Ecclesiastes; written by Solomon. Who became polluted by the 900 women in his household.

My personal favorite story is about Gideon. He went from terrified; to being a great leader with Gods help.

Psalms helps us to see through the lense of King David's life. He had ups and downs. It always drove him to God. We see ourselves in those stories often. Our own experiences are similar; so it's a good place to find comfort.

The wisdom of reading the Gospels is to meet Jesus, the Son of Man. Study his reactions, his comments, how he taught groups and also one-on-one when needed.

He is real. He was in the tomb 3 days, but he came out of it alive and Victorious. He knows exactly what every human being has done or not done.

You don't have to read dozens of helps books. If you read the Bible like a detective looking for clues, you'll find Jesus in every place you go. When you go outside to enjoy some sun-notice all the birds praising the Lord (for bugs) and then the trees giving God wave offerings (because of rain).

I don't look at what the WORLD is doing. We know what they're doing. The Natural Man is busy sinning and trying to sell that to others any way they can. Those of us that are alive Spiritually (born again) have chosen to follow Jesus. I examine everything He says in the Bible. I don't think we should lay down and let the Devil monkey stomp us. Ephesians 6, says to fight back. Jesus is our example always.

Prayer is not complicated. Speak to Jesus just as if He's in the room with you. God hates mixtures. Live spiritually and avoid falling into ditches.

Mishael

Revelation 1:15 {1+1+5=7} reminds us that God can speak through weather ( hurricanes, floods, tidal waves, tsunamis, rain, etc ) "and his voice as the sound of many waters" Psalms 93, 95,96, 98 also reveal this. ( going off memory ) ( Read Psalm 90-99 ) Page 777 in the Hendrixson published version of the KJV Bible on the top right also has a bit about Gods being in charge of the weather.

That's pretty funny how interpreting this verse that way means Adam could have been 334.8 million years old.

Noah enduring the 40 days of rain could have been over 109 years of rain, or 1 hour.

Where is it stated I found it in 2 Peter 3:8. It is says 1 day for God is equal to a thousand years on earth. To get a good grasp of this read the entire chapter of 2 Peter 3.

Hi Don Kauffman.

I agree with Brother Adam.

We have to be consistent with scripture, There is no where in scripture where they calculates days as a thousand years. If so Adam would be 1000 x 360 x 930. Wow! Those would be very long days. Adam would have been 334,800,000. years old when he died.

But we can't ignore the second half of 2 Peter 3:8.

"and a thousand years as one day."

That takes us in the opposite direction! Which makes a thousand years very short.

Adam probably would be a few seconds old when he died.

So which half of 2 Peter 3:8 do we use?

So let's examine that scripture again and put it in its context taking it from verse 3 on to verse 9. and you will see the emphasis is on Gods patience, and longsuffering, Not the length of days.

2 Peter 3:3-9. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; BUT IS LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Amen Brother Adam.

Well stated.

God bless.

I believe they were literal 24 hr days. "scientists" who claim this or that does not convince me and I do not find atheist's claims credible. Many of their claims of the past have been reversed when they learn something new about the earth, such as, yes, the flood did indeed happen, like seashells being found on mountain tops today, which they previously assumed was impossible, etc.

I'm aware of 2 Peter 3:82, but I don't think it necessarily applies to everything. I think it means God not bound by time dimension- He created time. Some believe this verse ONLY applies to creation and somehow not for the rest of scripture about God's days and activities. Further, it doesn't just mean it could have taken God 1000 years for each human day, but is just as likely that 1 day for God is 1000 years for man, so 1 day of creation in man's terms could have been 1/1000 of a day for God.

God bless...

God's ways are higher than man's ways. - Isaiah 55:9

There are God's days. - 2 Peter 3:8

There are Creations days. - Genesis 1:5

God who created all things by JESUS CHRIST ( Ephesians 3:9)

Gave all his creation the same time in days which are, "The Evening and the Morning" light and darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:5 (KJV)

The evening and the morning are all creation's days. (From Heaven and Earth to Angels and Men).

God's day is as a Thousand years.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Pet 3:8 (KJV)

When God told Adam, The day you eat thereof you shall surely die. - Genesis 2:17

The day God told Adam was in God's day.

How do we know?

Because Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old and he died.

That's not a Thousand years.

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Gen 5:5 (KJV)

The Lord JESUS bless you.

In the beginning God created the heaven and earth. How long were Gods days?

Hi Ankah. Further to GiGi's accurate comment on the eternality of God, I'm suspecting your question might be prompted because of some who deny God the Father's existence now, saying that Jesus His Son has assumed God's position in Heaven, i.e. there is only Jesus in Heaven now.

Well, if we take the first & last instance of the mention of God in the Book of the Revelation, we do see God mentioned & that Jesus is with Him. You may consider Revelation 1:1,6 and Revelation 22:1-6. And in this last chapter which details the New Jerusalem, we see that as God & His Son continue forever, so will this holy city continue, without end.

1Thessalonians 4:17,

Please read: Daniel 7, Zephaniah 1:15, Zephaniah 1,

* Matthew 24:29-30, "After the tribulation" Matthew 24:3-51, Matthew 24:21,22, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:5-37, * note Mark 13:23-27, Mark 13:19 first, Mark 14:62, Revelation 1:5-8, these all seem to be the same event; 1Corinthians 15:52, context: 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 9, has the six prior trumpet blasts then Revelation 10, also lining up with prior noted scripture of the last trumpet: Revelation 10:7, & Revelation 10:6, Revelation 10:1, Matthew 25:31-46, seems to be the end, beginning of judgement. Psalms 9:7,

2Timothy 4:3,

2Timothy 2:3, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,

Hope this is helpful

"Apostolic Evangelist". As i now understand you, you have used a very bad example. Because if the vaccine you describe is from Rev 11 v 17. Then it is said later in v 20-21 that the rest did not survive? So here it is full of confusion if you ask me.

John on Patmos was not confused but he describes Revelation as follows: Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

And beloved Marie there will not be a second Exodus. as u sayed here. Because God has not forgotten those whom He gave the law and the commandments. Becouse He understand that they couldent follow what who was written, He have being patient too all ppl on the planet. To them he has specialized as Paul writes about in Romans:11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Please read the rest of the Chapter, and pray that we all will understand everything in the end.

God Bless us all in Jesus Holy Name Amen.

Isaiah 11:2

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

I believe this verse prophesied the seven key characteristics of the Holy Spirit that Jesus was empowered to manifest in His ministry at His baptism when the Holy Spirit came and rested upon Him as a dove.

In Acts 2:3 it says:

Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

We should not be surprised that the Holy Spirit's power is manifested as seven separate flames in Revelation if we accept that this is the way he first manifested Himself to and through the Church at Pentacost. The number seven is used so often in Revelation for perfection that it would be astounding if any other number had been given as the count of the number of divided tongues of fire that reveal the Holy Spirit in that book.

I'll take a stab at that. In short; the Holy Spirit is the SOURCE of the Seven fold Spirit encompassed in the Body of Christ; represented by the seven churches in Revelation. The seven "angels" of the seven churches can be understood as messengers in the original language; so that the meaning can essentially be one or both. The number for completeness as many suggest seems to be 7 in scripture. So the churches in Asia probably represent the emphasis that each church has in particular giftings; so that all together they are a typology of all churches worldwide in that time; as well as throughout history. We also will tend to see the same weaknesses; then as now. My best understanding is that with an individual with a particular gift there tend to be characteristic weaknesses as well. Christ Himself embodied ALL the gifts; hence He could be balanced and also have the Spirit "without limit". ( John 3:34). As for the church itself; temptations of Pagan society; persecutions or lack thereof and other factors help determine particular issues of struggle. We need to realize that the most dangerous situation in Laodicea was where people felt most content; was in fact in the greatest danger. The opposite was in Ephesus; where everything but their "First love" was being done correctly. In short; it would appear that each church was granted a particular emphasis on a certain manifestation of the Spirit; as was predestined for their particular situation. Some would go through persecution and death; while others such as Philadelphia would ultimately escape it in the Rapture. There was at the time still a remnant; or individuals God exhorted to remain faithful even in Laodicea who would wear "white" garments. There are some valid points to each of the churches being a time period from Pentecost until today; when the Laodicean type church seems to abound. My theory is that each church has a primary type of gifting necessitated by the conditions present.

To continue what Alex said: The HOLY Spirit : John 4:25, John 14, Luke 1, Luke 3:16,22, Luke 4, Luke 11:13, Acts 2, Mark 13:5-37, Luke 12:12, 2Timothy 1:7, Galatians 5,

Acts 10, 1John 3:1-24,

1John 4:1-21,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study.

Deborah i don't know if this IS what you are looking for....But Rev . 4 : 5 Says the 7 lamps of fire burning before the throne are

the 7 Spirits of God.

Hello.

Thank you in advance for your knowledge and assistance!

My question is what is the difference between The Holy Spirit and The Seven Spirits of God Almighty before His throne?

Its personal. God's word is a declaration of God's desire to be in relationship with you

Google For God so loved the world that He

What God's word says about God's word Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

God's word reveals you to you.

Hello Janita,

You have come to a good place here. We all want that. We want to read the Word of God, learn it, hide it in our hearts, speak it to all who will listen, believe it to be true, and receive from it the words of eternal life in Jesus Christ.

I encourage You to pray and ask God to teach You from the Bible as You read it. For me, I tend to recommend reading the gospels first because they contain the record of the life of Jesus Christ, our Savior. To me, knowing more about His life is very important because He is the one who saves us and the object of our devotion and worship. He is the Source of our every need. I have read the gospels many times. They are my favorite Bible books to read. Then I usually read Acts, then the Epistles. After this I like to read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Joshua and on through the remainder of the historical books up to Job. Then I read the Psalms as they show how much David loved and depended on the LORD. then I read proverbs and Ecclesiastes. Next, I read, the remaining prophetic books in the OT and lastly, Revelation. This will take a few years to complete, but there is no hurry. Jesus meets us in His word through the Holy Spirit and teaches us and touches us in profound ways. But for you, you should prayerfully seek how the Lord desires to walk You through the Bible His way.

We are glad you came to this forum. Feel free to ask any questions you may have as you read. There are many people on here with a wealth of knowledge to help us. God bless you, Janita! Is there any way I can pray for you today?

I want to learn more about the word of GOD

One I don't believe eternity is in heaven the Bible doesn't teach it but I often wonder if our lost family members will be remembered by us? I think heaven will be about the worship of God and the lamb Rev 22 is a must read in understand eternity this verse is the key to God's real plan for the world, Revelation 22:2

"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

Isn't that amazing and it puts into perspective every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord. One other verse the great Chistian minds never interpret or notice is said twice, Once in the beginning in Rev 1 and again in the end in Rev 22, Revelation 1:3

"Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Revelation 22:7

"Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book."

So rather questions of these why don't focus on scriptures as these and seek what we are to keep and do. What are those things we are to keep that are written in Revelations? See what heaven will be won't add to you salvation but keeping what God tells us will

King James Version (KJV)