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I appreciate the ongoing discussion Jimbob we're having as very few are prepared to persevere in it. Yes, I did mention 'imminency & suddenness', but also mentioned 'readiness' ("In the NT, the command was for readiness"). We will have to leave that one, as after my revisiting those passages because of your comment, I still see that all three as adverbs are in use or implied, including, 'watchfulness'. We'll have to leave those Scriptures for other readers to examine.

Matthew 24:29-31. I read that as the Second Coming of Christ after the Great Tribulation days & that Jesus' rule upon the Earth will be with his elect living on the Earth at that time. It does not speak of those who will be instantly caught up to be with Christ (i.e. without the gathering of them together by the angels) & to be with Christ forever. Here, in the Rapture, those of the living & dead believers will be "changed" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52), i.e. physically reconstituted ("putting on incorruption") to be with Christ in the heavenlies, whereas this isn't a requirement for those 'of the elect' on the Earth who are gathered & relocated to Jerusalem (presumably).

Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the vision that John received of all those who had laid down their lives for Christ. Not only those who came to believe in the Truth & resisted the Anti-Christ during his reign, but the multitudes since the Church's inception that have remained faithful to the Lord & willingly went to their deaths. Yes, we can suffer now (in tribulation), even as those who went before us, but this is part & parcel of following Christ ( John 16:33); including Romans 8:16-18; Philippians 1:29; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; etc (as you shared). I read this as the 'common' tribulation (trials of faith) that believers can experience, but not of the Great Tribulation (at the Day of the Lord).

Jimbob:

John 5:28

Is Jesus not speaking about His resurrection in this prophecy?

Do you not think you fit into Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that part in the first resurrection?

God Bless You!

Jimbob:

What is the soul?

At the second resurrection everyone that did not take part in the first resurrection, will be resurrected back to their flesh and blood bodies. The grave is the prison.

Ezekiel 38, Revelation 20:7-8

God Bless You!

Hello Caleb,

Genesis 2:15,16,17, Genesis 3:1-6, skipping parts Genesis 3:14,15, between the seed of Serpent - Revelation 20:2,

John 8:34, 1John 3, Romans 5, John 3:16-21, James 1:5, Proverbs 8:17,

Example, simple Salvation "GOD save me" many times in life threatening situations, & many times HE has. Psalms 18:3, Psalms 107:13, Psalms 44:7, Luke 18:42, Psalms 34:6,

Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 2, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Psalms 139,

Romans 10:13, context Romans 10, Everlasting Salvation, Isaiah 45:17, Acts 4,

1John 3:14, Job 38:17, Revelation 20, Psalms 49, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Romans 5, Revelation 21,

Hopefully these are helpful

Sammi:

Christ constantly caught flack from his peers, he said we should expect the same thing.

You have ALREADY BEEN RESURRECTED.

John 11:25 ....I am the resurrection, and the LIFE .....

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he that hath part in the first resurrection ......

1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling the light (the presence of God, Abraham's bosom) ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL put on IMMORTALITY ---Christ only hath immortality ---

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the new creation, the born again) a BODY (you are the BODY OF CHRIST) as it hath pleased him (the Father), and to every SEED his (the Father's) OWN BODY (Christ is the body of the Father).

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY (man, Christ being the FIRST among many BROTHERS, joint heirs), ONE SPIRIT

Ephesians 4:5 ONE GOD and Father of ALL, above ALL, and through ALL, and in you ALL.

John 16:8 And when he (the spirit of Christ) comes (it began at Pentecost, the feast of the FIRSTFRUITS) he will reprove the world of SIN .....

John 16:9 Of SIN because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME -----I am THE LIFE, man is my BODY, man does what the will of God causes him to do ---

Romans 9:21 Hath not the POTTER (the spirit of Christ) POWER OVER THE CLAY (the potter's body) of the SAME LUMP to make one vessel (the potter's body) to HONOUR and another to DISHONOUR.

Luke 16:6 The law and prophets were until John: SINCE THAT TIME, the kingdom of God is preached, and every man PRESSES INTO IT.

Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great WINEPRESS of the wrath of God.

We are the grapes of the vine, and we have to be PRESSED to become the NEW WINE ---this is a parable ---

God Bless You as HE leads you to all truth.

Armand,

I will try my best to answer who it is Satan will seduce once he is released for a short time after the 1,000 year reign. First let me say this. It won't be believers.

So, Satan will be bound for a thousand years. He will be cast into the bottomless pit, the ABUSSO, and shut up, a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.

And after these things, it is necessary for him to be loosed for a short season.

So after the thousand years, we leave with Christ. And the people on the earth who are left over from the tribulation, who still are not saved, but they've been given this one thousand year opportunity to live under the rule of Christ with Satan bound, but when Satan is let loose, we will see that they will go back to serving Satan again.

I think it's a tragedy, but we have to understand that when a person is a rejecter of Christ, you could send him to heaven for a thousand years and say "Look how nice it is here," and when he comes back he's going to reject it. Nothing's going to impress him to be saved.

It's like the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man didn't want out. He only wanted to be comforted.

The reason he didn't want out was not because of the comparison between hell and heaven. It's because there's only one other place to be other than hell, and that's in the presence of Jesus Christ.

And for some people that's hell. They would prefer to be in hell, only comforted. They don't want to be with Christ. They are rejecters. And once a person's heart is a rejecter of Christ, you can't do anything about it.

Even living under perfect conditions, they still go back to serving Satan again.

I hope this helps?

In a word , humans .

But they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years. But over whom do these priests of God rule for those thousand years. Aren't the people who didn't accept Jesus and who were lost in another last? And when Satan is released again a thousand years, what people is he going to seduce.

Difficult questions, please can you explain.

Evelyn,

In Revelation 3:5, John gives an exhortation to the church. He says, "He that overcomes, and that's a Present Participle.

To the one who (is) overcoming, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will (not) blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

We are given references to the Old Testament that tell us there's more than one book. ( Exodus 32:32-33, Daniel 12:1-2, 7-10, Psalm 69:28)

There's the book of life which has listed in it everybody that has received human life. And then there's the book of the Lamb, those who belong to Christ.

In the book of life, if a person rejects Christ, their name is removed from the book of life as if they've never been born. They're gone!

But no one is ever blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.

If you go back into the Old Testament and you study from those references, it will show you that there's more than one book. And the Jews knew that.

It's not that God has books up there. But it's just a human example or an illustration that God knows everything, all the people that have been born, and all the people that belong to Christ.

He say (I will not) blot out his name out of the book of life. And I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Jesus said that He would do that.

So, our names are entered into the Lamb"s book of life the moment we receive Christ. He will never blot out a believers name from that book. That's how permanent our salvation is. He will never blot our names out of His book!

When are our names entered into the book of life?

Deborah:

Your question, who are the dead in Christ that rise first?

They were the Old Testament Saints, they died not having received the promise, eternal life through the resurrection of Christ Jesus.

When Christ was resurrected, they also were resurrected.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were open; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves, after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, (NEW Jerusalem) and appeared to many.

They were caught up into the air, and when we depart this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, we are caught up, as they were into the presence of God, because you are married to him and have become one with him.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a lamb stood on Mt. Zion, and with him an hundred and forty four thousand (symbolic, not literally 144,00), having his father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:4 ..... the are the firstfruits (of Christ resurrection) unto God and the Lamb.

Romans 8:23 And not only they (Old Saints), but ourselves also, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the SPIRIT (life and truth in us) ....

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection .....

God Bless You!

Hi Sue.

Can you rephrase your question please.

We would love to help.

God bless.

Are we to be judge mental?

This doesn't make sense seeing how Ezekiel 38 is the invasion and the purpose of the invasion the battle of Gog and Magog which is the war that still wages on between the two brothers Jacob and Esau and is settled by God just before the millennium begins yet after The Gathering Ezekiel 39:25

Its the End of Days according to Ezekiel 38:16 where it states it will be the latter Days which means end of days, the millennium is for The Restoration between the them since the two sticks of Judah and Israel were already rejoined back in chapter 37.

The use of Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 is apparently an inclusive term for all the Gentile nations; East (Gog) and West (Magog) all over the world and is being referenced here as to how many there is that will still go against the Lord during the millennium; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (To gather them together to do battle against the Lord God)

Hi Moses.

You asked "Does this mean everyone in Heaven will be tempted one last time and maybe even loose our salvation?" This won't be in heaven, it will be here on earth after the tribulation.

The Church will be raptured up before the tribulation.

You have this account here in Revelation 20:7-8 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

AND SHALL GO OUT TO DECEIVE "THE NATIONS WHICH ARE IN THE FOUR QUARTERS OF THE EARTH, " Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

( The Church is a people called out of the nations.)

Therefore we are not identified as "THE NATIONS "

1 Peter 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

I believe the Millennium is a final test/temptation on the "HEART" of Man. Under a 1000 years of perfect conditions and governing when given the chance man turns his back on God again.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and Incurably wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9.

This is not the Church, we're given a new heart.

God bless.

The beast, the dragon and the antichrist tare Satan, it's his unholy trinity, Satan is the great imitator imitating God throughout the centuries in the the most egregious way, it's mockery. 2 Corinthians 11:14 , Revelation 20:10 , 1 Peter 5:8 , 1 John 4:1 , Revelation 13:4 ,

Babylon the great is deception, confusion, the confusion which people spread: Revelation 17:1 Come hither; I will shew to thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many peoples.

Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 16:13, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Numbers 12:6-8,

Hopefully these are helpful

Right now, I pray the lord my God will guide me on this.

I'm 22 and I've thought about this a lot. I think it's simpler than what is expected. According to Genesis 2:7, "The Lord formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

If we look at basic organic decomposition, everything returns into the earth. The ground, the dirt, correct? So, our physical body returns to dust. That doesn't necessarily mean it happens instantaneously. It is a process that is perfect and effective.

Now this is interesting. Man had no soul until God breathed into mans' nostrils with the breath of life. Now we know that dust returns to dust. The flesh inherently is a part of the earth because God has made it that way. So, if our soul began with Gods' breath, that means our soul belongs to God.

That's how Gods' systems work. Where it begins is also where it shall end. That is with God. Evidence to this is in Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

From the first book to the last book of the Bible. It clearly shows that God is the beginning and end. He gives man his soul, and the soul of man will return to God. Even when the flesh has passed. The judgement will be a complete look into what the man has done with his life, and how it has shaped his soul. Your soul belongs to God. He gave man his soul, and in the end, he will Judge it.

Again, well said, Giannis.

Amen, well aid, Bob

Hello Bob

I absolutely agree with you. All the events described in the Book of Revelation are symbolic. Symbolic of what? We don't really know, we can make guesses. But even logical guesses may be wrong, BECAUSE we don't know the real events that are going to be. God's people through the ages have made very many guesses that all failed. Revelation is written in a way that people who are going to live at that time will relate the events taking place with what is written and can understand. Nobody can understand beforehand. I don't think God will reveal specifically to anybody (no matter how intense one prays and asks God for) the truth beforehand. He hasn't done that for centuaries to anybody, why would He do it now? Revelation is a book which is primalily written for people who will go through the great tribulation and antichrist. It is written so that they know what would be really happening and know what to expect and what they should and should not do. Also for non beleievers to believe and save their lives.

Just an example. If the mark of the beast is the bar code in a chip embedded in people, as many believe, who could have known that 50 years ago when that technology didn't exist. No matter how hard people may have tried to guess 50 years ago they could have never found out. Today we know because we relate something we see in our everyday lives ( the cashless society) with what is written and can make a good guess which seems to be right. So as the end times are getting closer and closer the more we will understand, but still I think many things will only be known during the last 7 years. So lets read the Book as God asks us to do, but this must be as far as we one must go. No vast time should be spent on trying to interprete it. It is a waste of time which could be spent to read the other parts of the Bible. There will be time when everything is going to be revealed. But I hope at that time none of us is here in this world to live during those events. GBU.

I was a pastor and evangelist for many years before an ailment prompted my retiring. During those years I have read and heard just about all the thoughts and theories on the book of revelation. And that my dear friends is all they are. Theories. No one has, or will be, able to precisely explain this book. It is one of the great mysteries of the Bible. I have read it over and over in my eighty-seven years on this earth. I started with my conversion at the age of twenty two. Some parts (few) would seem to be clear, but not enough to preach or teach with complete understanding. In fact, no one can rightly state they completely understand without doubt much of the scripture. We think, and read, with a finite mind. Whereas, the author who revealed these writings did so from his infinite mind. Who on earth is able to declare with absolute truth the mind of god? I have the belief of God revealing at the proper time, the true meanings of this amazing book. At that time the teachers and preachers eyes will be opened, and they will be able to enlighten all who are interested. Reading it will be as easy to under stand as John 3:16. But, of course, as I penned, it is just my belief and theory. Any believer who reads revelation should begin with prayer. Asking god to reveal what is important to their spiritual growth, and thanking him for his blessings for reading it. "Blessed is he who reads the prophecy's of this book" We are living in very perilous times. We should not be overly concerned with any parts of the Bible. Confusing our selves with un-anserable questions. Instead, we should busy ourselves with the importance of living the life god requires of us. I was, and still would be, a preacher of the New Testament, which I know is the most pertinent of all the Bible to read and study. Believers should be pondering how they can help others to come to the realization of their need to believe, and accept, his love and forgiveness. God be with you all.

Thank you GiGi. I am sure I will e able to give a good report later!

:)

Good Morning Carleton, I will pray for you today.

Dear Heavenly Father, we lift up Carleton as he undergoes surgery to repair damage to his eye today. Guide the hands of the surgeons and bring about a successful result, restoring Carleton's eye to better function and allowing this eye to see clearly again. Give Carleton a quick and effective recovery from surgery. Keep him safe through this procedure and we ask for the best outcome for his sight. LORD GOD, we know that You can restore sight to the blind, so by faith, we trust that Your will for Carleton is perfect as You answer this prayer we offer in Jesus' name. Amen.

Perhaps referring to: Revelation 5, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 20:6, context Revelation 20, Revelation 7:15, John 14:2,3,

Hopefully these are helpful

Ok. Carleton,

I will pray for you.

Good evening GIGI, I am sorry to hear about fires your way. Hopefully soon rains without lightening will make a nice autumn for many! I should have said so earlier, my eye surgery is tomorrow and I do covet everyone's prayers.

Thank you!

:)

Glad you checked in here today, Carleton.

Let us know when your surgery is so we can pray for you then. It is still warm here in the Puget Sound area. Last two days have been really hazy due to wildfires to the north and south. I am staying indoors so the smoke filled air does not inflame my lungs to kick up my asthma a notch or two. But forecast is for it to clear out tomorrow or so with a onshore marine push advancing upon us. This will clear the air well. I love these days in late summer. I can tell that Autumn is just around the corner, but there are still some summer days ahead. Usually, September sunny days are so comfortable and enjoyable.

Hello GIGI! Thank you for your kindness. I am well. I was inspired to check the site this morning discussion wise. I use the site daily for finding scriptures. Thank you Admin! I hope you are well your way too. I still have another eye surgery to go and then finally some glasses to see up close again soon afterwards. My son passed through your area and missed at least half of our extreme heat here a week ago. Fall will soon be here. :)

Carleton

Hello Carleton,



As Always glad to hear from you. How are you doing?

Are you seeing better now? I have been thinking of you.