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Sister Suze:

Revelation 8:9 And the THIRD PART of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the THIRD PART of the SHIPS were destroyed.

Psalms 104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, which thou hast made to play therein.

Isaiah 27:1 In that the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword (the word of God) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan, that crooked serpent, and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Revelation 13:10 And he that leadeth into captivity, shall go into captivity, and he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.

Revelation 20:4 .....and the souls (mines of flesh) that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus .....

God Bless You!

If I might add something about the first and second resurrections, the first resurrection is for those who are saved. This resurrection takes place when Christ comes for His church. The dead (in Christ) will rise first (resurrected), and then we (believers) which are alive and remain with be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

The second resurrection takes place after the 1,000 reign of Christ. That resurrection will be for all those who rejected Christ. There will be no hope of salvation for those in the second resurrection ( Revelation 20:5-6).

There are two deaths. There's physical death, and there's spiritual death. There's an old saying that says that a believer is somebody who has been born twice but dies once. You're physically born, and you're spiritually born. And when you physically die, that will be the only death you will experience because you'll be with Christ forever.

The non-believer is somebody who is born once, but dies twice. They die in death here, and then they are resurrected and put in the lake of fire for the second death. The second death is eternal separation from Christ in the lake of fire.

Hi Earl.

Here's a portion of your quote.

"What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world." End quote.

Earl that's not the Lord being worshipped here.

Here's a few previous verses to get the context.

Revelation 13:4-8. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God bless you Earl.

Earl,

I am trying to figure out what message you are sharing here. You answered your first question using Revelation 20:15, so I get that one. In Revelation 13:8, who is being worshipped? I ask because you capitalized Him. Are you saying that it is Christ who is the one they are worshipping in that verse? Maybe I am just misunderstanding because Verse 7 gives us the answer. Also, I am not sure how Acts 22:1 ties into all this. Can you please clarify for me? Thanks for your time!

REVELATION 22

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of this book .....

What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

Acts 22:1 And it shall COME TO PASS, that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be save.

God Bless YOU!

Series of events, from judgment on into eternity.

Revelation 20:11-15.

Judgment and the division of two groups. Those written in the book of life and those cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 25:41.

Revelation 21:1-6.

New heaven and new earth.

Revelation 21:7-8.

A mention of two separate groups set for two destinations.

Here in Revelation 21:9-27. we have

A view of the bride and great city Jerusalem and the nations of them which are saved and the gates.

Notice who's is absent in verse 27.(And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:) Note; Same group in Revelation 20:15.

We shall see this group again in the next chapter.

However here's a group that made it in! ( but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.)

Revelation 22:1-21.

Verse 10 the climax.

"And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

Separation. and fate sealed.

NO REFINING FIRE.

Revelation 22:11-15. HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL: and he which is filthy, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL: and he that is righteous, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL: and he that is holy, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL.

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

FOR WITHOUT ARE DOGS, AND SORCERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND MURDERERS, AND IDOLATERS, and WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.( Same group in Revelation 20:15.

Revelation21: 27.)

and Matthew 25:41.

Who's the unjust that is unjust still?

A warning!! Revelation 22:18-19.

God bless.

Brother S Spencer:

I know that you and I disagree, but I also know this is of God.

Christ said I will set brother against brother, etc.

This has a PURPOSE.

NOTE: The notion that there is no Hell and no Satan comes from the same Evil source that told Eve she shall not surely die.

What was that source?

Who is this Satan?

In Genesis it says he is the most subtil of all the beast of the field.

Psalms says man differs not, than a beast of the field.

Man is the most SUBTIL, of the BEAST.

Job said Satan came in with man to present himself to God.

God ask Satan where he had been?

Satan said walking to and fro on the earth.

Satan is not a spirit, Satan is flesh.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful (Satan the great deceiver) above all things, and desperately WICKED ...

2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ......and destroyed by God's words and God's coming, the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 12:8 And the earth helped the woman, and open her mouth (the Grave) and swallowed up the dragon ...

Revelation 20:1-2 Satan was bound in the GRAVE (pit) ...

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expire (the age of grace) Satan shall be loosed out of his PRISON (the grave, the second resurrection). To deceive once more: these resurrected still have a heart of stone, the WICKED and deceived.

Then Judgement, and creation given a heart of flesh.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth (being raised back up) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LIFE of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

God Bless YOU!

Shirley;

There are TWO resurrections.

Those God GAVE to HIS Son Jesus, The CALLED and CHOSEN, were resurrected with Christ.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath PART in the first resurrection ....

Luke 20:34 Neither can they DIE ANYMORE: for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

Those not Called and not Chosen, will die and lay in the grave, along with those that have die from the beginning.

At the second resurrection EVERYONE in the graves will be resurrected back to their earthly flesh; AND JUDGED.

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (those at the second resurrection) the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this HONOUR hath all his SAINTS (those in the first resurrection).

Isaiah 26:9 .....when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH (in the grave) for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons OF GOD (those in the first resurrection, that will be their JUDGES).

Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

1 Corinthians 15:28 ...that God may be ALL IN ALL.

God Bless YOU!

The things for us to know have been revealed but also more shall be revealed in the future (PLEASE read: 1 Corinthians 13:9-12); however, what we do know is that it's absolutely necessary to accept Truth prior to leaving this Earth, especially if one deems it necessary to be at peace with The CREATOR here on Earth, and also in the Afterlife. Obviously, the only other option is to spend the Afterlife in fire described as being seven times hotter than Earthly fire, in utter darkness, with a hellified angry Satan, and his demons, and other things that are guaranteed to bring indescribable torture in a place that could only be described as Hell; and that itself, will be cast into the Lake of Fire that burns... brimstone Revelation 20:10 &

Revelation 21:7-8:

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his GOD, and he shall be My son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

At least on Earth, we are given the opportunity to repent, or to get it right, and keep it right as King David did but the Afterlife, has more sense of an irrevocable permanence.

St. John 3:5-7

JESUS answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of GOD.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

2 Peter 2:21

"For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."

Good afternoon everyone!

Everyday there is a new way for IT (satan) to come after all people, all over the world!!!

How much more can we take from our EVIL POLITICAL GOVERNMENT!!

All they want is to fill there pockets with filthy lucre, murder mankind with its injections

to change the way our LORD JESUS created us!!

The LORD says not to call anyone foolish or You will face the judgement, but this

takes the cake!!!

We are not to be deceived by a world gone mad!!!!

We are to read the LORD'S word and stand on each one!!!

JESUS gave us wisdom and knowledge to see right thru there evil deeds!!!

Bless my family, friends, neighbors and all believers thru these dispicable times!!

How long, oh LORD, holy and true must we wait for YOUR second coming?? We will never doubt YOU and YOUR FATHER for all YOUR words are HOLY and TRUE!!!

Death and sin shall be swollowed up in VICTORY!!!

1 CORITHIANS 15 (read whole chapter)

YOU are our glorious and wonderful LORD of ALL!!!

We thank you LORD for all YOUR mercy, grace, love, truth, comfort, kindness, watchful eye,

for YOU alone can do all these things for us!!!

May IT (satan) enjoy it's time in the bottomless pit! Revelation 20:3

I pray in JESUS name -- AMEN!!

For I am a sinner!!!!!!

Richard:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week....

This is talking about Christ confirming the NEW COVENANT.

From his entering into Jerusalem (Sunday)on the colt of and ass (prophecy) to his resurrection to LIFE (Sunday), ONE WEEK and the covenant was confirmed.

.......and in the midst of the week (the day he was crucified) he shall cause the sacrifice (old covenant) and obligation TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate (no LIFE other than the LIFE OF CHRIST), even until the consumption, and that DETERMINED (judgement) shall be poured out on the DESOLATE (those not having THE LIFE OF CHRIST).

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice (old covenant) shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation SET UP, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

THREE and ONE HALF YEARS, Christ ministry in the flesh. FIRST COMING.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and COMETH to the one thousand three hundred thirty five days (PENTECOST), Christ ministry in the Spirit. SECOND COMING.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues shall see their dead bodies (sinful flesh, dead in trespasses) three days and a half (Christ betrayal to Christ resurrection) and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in the graves.

Revelation 11:11 and after three days and a half (laying in the grave with Christ) the SPIRIT OF LIFE from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet (these whose names are written in the BOOK OF LIFE, once dead, Now have THE LIFE OF CHRIST, and great fear fell upon them that saw them.

Revelation 20:9 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.

God Bless YOU!

Prophets, Prophetic, gifts of Prophecy in New Testament

Romans 12:6,

2Peter 1:16-21,

1Timothy 4:14,

Revelation 1:3,

Gifting working within the Body: 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, direction concerning in Church: 1Corinthians 14:29-40,

Prophets yet to come: Revelation 11:3-19, false prophet yet to come: Revelation 16:12-15, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Revelation 19:10,

Revelation 22,

John the Baptist referred to as Prophet: Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, Luke 7:26,28, Luke 20:3-20, John 1:19-37,

Acts 3:22-26, Acts 7:35-60, Titus 1:12,

Matthew 10:41,

Jesus talking about Prophets in HIS day, referred to himself also: Matthew 21:26, Matthew 11:9, Mark 11:32, John 4:4,

Luke 13:33, Luke 24,

Paul & others acknowledged prophecy, Prophets, even Women that did Prophecy: Acts 21:8-14,

Hope these are helpful

Adam,

Thank's for the reply. My apology if I offended you. Now that I know that you are sensitive about someone disagreeing with you, I'll be more careful. Maybe just saying I respectfully disagree would be better? I am not disagreeing that everyone will have their day of judgement. We will all stand before the Lord one day. I just don't believe that both believers and non-believers get judged together at the same day. 2 Corinthians 5:10 is for believers only. This is the Bema seat of Christ. This judgment for believers is to determine their reward. It's described in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3. Believers pass through the fire, and whatever is of Christ, we will receive a reward, and whatever is not will burn, but we as believers will be saved ( 1 Corinthians 3:15). I'm glad you mentioned Revelation 20:12-15. To answer your question, yes, it does indicate multitudes will be judged at once, but multitudes doesn't necessarily mean both believers and non-believers together. It just says multitudes. So who are they? According to the verses that precede this, these multitudes are non-believers who will be at the Great White Throne judgment ( Revelation 20:11). They are resurrected after the 1,000 reign of Christ, and they (multitudes) will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. They don't take part in the first resurrection. There will be no believers at this judgment because this resurrection takes place after the 1,000 year reign, and Revelation 20:6 tells us that we (believers) take part in the first resurrection, the second death has no power over us, and that we will be reigning with Christ for 1,000 years. While we are reigning with Christ, all the non-believers are still in the grave awaiting their resurrection and judgment. Everyone at that judgment (Multitudes) will be cast into the lake of fire. No person at the GWT judgment will escape the second death in the lake of fire.

Hello sir or madam, I am happy to dialog with you if you share your name so I know who I'm communicating with and if you are respectful. Just saying someone is "incorrect" without any scriptures to back it up isn't getting off on the right foot, however.

I believe all will be judged on a particular day because the Bible says the phrase "day of judgment", "the day when", the "last day". It doesn't say there's multiple days of judgment or a week or month or years of judgment, or that judgment is only whenever you die. Here's some examples:

1 John 4:17 "day of judgment"

Matthew 12:36 "day of judgment"

2 Peter 2:9 "day of judgment"

Matthew 11:22 "day of judgment"

2 Corinthians 5:10 "we must all"

Romans 2:16 - "the day when"

John 12:48 "last day"

Revelation 20:12-15 is a vision, but that verse also indicates multitudes judged at once does it not? So, the scriptural support is strong. Do you feel you have just as much scriptural support against this? Do you know of any verses that say the the opposite?

Aside from being a particular day, you questioned that all will be judged, and suggested 2 different judgments.

We also know this judgment is for everyone, because in verse 15 it says those not found in the book of life were cast into the fire. So, this event sorted people. It doesn't say that in this judgment ALL went to hell or ALL went to heaven. A judgment is a judgment of each individual "according to their works" and determines where they go according to verse 15.

"If that's what you are saying, then that is incorrect."

If your belief is based on scripture then please share it. If your belief is not based on scripture then you have greater concerns.

"Otherwise, how are we to know if what you believe is the correct truth?"

Since you didn't provide any scriptural support someone is more likely to ask you this.

God bless.

Tony:

There is flesh and blood: A BODY

There is ONE SPIRIT: IMMORTAL LIFE

Flesh and blood, the body, dies and returns to dust,

Spirit, life, CANNOT die.

Hell is a doctrine of man: If a body of flesh and blood was placed in literal fire, it would be consumed in a few minutes, there would be not eternal torment. No need for a second resurrection.

If SPIRIT (there is only ONE SPIRIT and that SPIRIT IS GOD)( Ephesians 4:4-6) was placed in literal fire, it would not be affected.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Lazarus and the rich man is a PARABLE.

Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham, symbolic of the BORN AGAIN, being ONE with God.

The rich man went to the GRAVE, a gulf that CANNOT be passed over UNTIL the second resurrection of the DEAD back to their flesh, to be judged and brought to TRUTH.

There are TWO RESURRECTION, one has already occurred, Christ and those that were ORDAINED to have their part in that FIRST RESURRECTION.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they (those CHOSEN to have their part in the first resurrection) DIE ANY MORE: for they (the CHOSEN) are equal into the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the (FIRST) resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection ......

The second resurrection TO JUDGEMENT, has not yet occurred BUT:

Isaiah 26:9 ...For when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

1 Timothy 4:10 ...for we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN (even those in the second resurrection), specially those (in the first resurrection) who believe.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (man) WAITETH (second resurrection) for the manifestation of the Sons of God (first resurrection).

Romans 8:21 Because the creature (man) ITSELF shall ALSO be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (the GRAVE) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

God Bless YOU!

Sister GiGi:

You said in the resurrection, referring to the coming resurrection.

What about the first resurrection, you don't believe you were part of the first resurrection; therefore avoiding the second death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath his part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power

God Bless You!

Yes for sure, Use every chance to try and save someone, there u are home, not home, ect. Holding on to Jesus Christ. Love u all

Dear brother

You are right about the prophesy of Isaiah, it is sbout Christ's thousand year reign. But who are the saints that will take part in that?

Let's read Revelation 20:4

"4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Reading the above verse It is obvious that the ones who will reign with Jesus are those who resisted antichrist and didn't get the mark and got beheaded. I think that among these people there should be Jewish people as well but not only them.

The prophesy in Matthew 24: is often attributed by some christians to the siege of Jerusalem by Romans but could be for the one by the beast as well.

GBU

Yes, thank you for these Scripture examples.

A few interesting observations on how God preserved people through Tribulations .

Noah was taken through the flood , not spared the flood . yes He was righteous and obeyed God and built the ark .

Daniel was taken through the Lions den , not spared the loins den , Yes he was righteous and trusted God . survived it unharmed .

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego , they where righteous and chose to Honor God and would not bow to the Nebuchadnezzar image , they where thrown into the fiery furnace , where not spared the furnace but where preserved through it .

I can say I have had a few experiences like these because I trusted the Lord Jesus at the time . Not quite as dramatic as these examples , but just as deadly they could have been. So yes God works this way today and in the future .

Trust Him the only sure way ...

you mentioned the parable of the ten virgins , Id like to mention after much reflection on this parable ;All believed that The Lord was coming and went out to meet him . But wisdom is not knowledge , but rather How you live or do not live , in other words your WORKS . So the wise lived well and had the fruit that remained . Apostle Paul mentioned about laying up in store a foundation to endue the coming day . My real point is as the Bible says often , BE A DOER , NOT A HEARER ONLY .

Thanks may we all go on by Gods Grace

Dear GiGi that happened in 1949. Jews were exiled from their own country since Romans destroyed Jerusalem (Jews revolted twice against the Roman rule). Solomon's Temple was destroyed too. The city was rebuilt but Jews were prohibited to enter the city untill the 7th centuary AD. In 1949 after WW2, that land was given by the British to Jews to re-enhabit it and the new country of Israel was formed and Jews from all over the world started to gather in their ancient land. At that time God's promise that He will gather them to their land was fulfiled.

Is there any other promise left for them to be fulfilled ?

In the NT Paul talks about his nation, what is going to happen in the last days. He doesn't say that a new country will be formed with Christ as their leader that will rule on the whole earth. But he says that all Israel will believe in Christ " after the fulness of gentiles be come in", Romans 11:25-27. After 'the fulness of gentiles be come in' means that no other gentile is left to be saved. When is that going to happen?

Lets go to Revelation

The 144000 saved at that time are the first Jews to be saved, Revelation 7:4-8. Then the rest of these people will be saved. Question. If salvation for Israel starts during antichrist's time, during the great tribulation (Its obvious that these things happen during tribulation because in the next verses 9-17 we read about the ones in Heaven that were slaughterd by antichrist) when is that time that Jesus with Israel rules on earth? Doesn't make sense, does it? In Revelation 12:1-6 we read about that woman that was sent by God to the dessert. Who is that? It is obvious it is Israel, see verse 1. Antichrist will go after Israel and God will protect them. There is nothing else left for Israel untill the fight of Armagedon. Is it that Jesus will rule on earth with Israel during the next 1000 years? No, Revelation 20:4-6 talks about those that didn't receive the mark and were slaughtered. End of time, nothing else left.

Since I ran out of space I thought I'd add one more comment.

The #1 criticism often received is someone claims I don't believe in grace or that I believe we're saved by effort. That is a strawman argument and is untrue. The Bible says Christ followers will be saved by grace, not by works. That is not what is being contested.

Just because we will be saved by grace doesn't mean we should stop obeying Christ! It doesn't mean we should stop following Christ! The fruit of faith is works. A Christian is a Christ follower and if someone doesn't follow Christ they by definition are not even a Christian. And if not a Christian, that person should not expect the benefits of salvation. Matthew 7:21. Many will feel very entitled but will be shocked they aren't welcomed. This is the wake up call many need right now. Get right with the Lord today before its too late!

A Christ follower is action. Those who aren't actively following Christ are may not be Christ followers. And just because we're imperfect and fall down from time to time doesn't mean we're not Christians. This is very different from someone turning their backs on Jesus and following the pleasures of the world (satan). But Jesus said He would go after the lost sheep, not lost wolves! Many people assume they're followers because a pastor told them so, but are instead lost wolves expecting all the benefits of salvation for doing nothing. God bless.

People have freewill:

Psalms 25:12

Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

Psalm 119:30

Luke 16:13

Proverbs 3:31

Fear God:

Joshua 24:14

Psalms 25:12

Proverbs 1:29

Seek God:

Psalms 63:1

All will be judged:

2 Corinthians 5:10

Romans 2:16

John 12:48

Hebrews 9:27

Revelation 20:12

Amen and Amen Sister Kay:

Concerning the tribulation of some in other parts of the world, and possible here in the USA.

There go I, but by the GRACE OF GOD.

GOD'S WORK'S are past finding out.

God Bless You!

As far as being 'worthy to escape' - that doesn't necessarily mean 'escaping' out of this world. Some commentators say this verse refers to the believing Jews who escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. They heeded Christ's warning, and when they saw the armies of Rome amassing, they high-tailed it out of the area!



Other examples of 'escape' -

The three Hebrew children 'escaped' - AFTER being thrown in the fire! Their being kept IN the fire WAS their 'escape'.

Noah 'escaped' the flood...but he endured a lot while building the ark and weathering the storm!

Peter 'escaped' Herod by an angel on time - but had to survive being arrested, just the same.

We have been, are, and will yet be kept from many harms...but other tribulations appointed by God, we must endure, knowing that IN them and THROUGH them, by God's power, we 'escape' danger to our souls.

We so want physical escape; we so want to be spared troubles. That's natural!! No one wants them! Yet, Jesus said that the tribulation will try EVERY person!! Peter told us about the 'trying of our faith', and not to be amazed at 'FIERY trials'. These are the very things that prove if we have true, saving faith, and if we have it - these purify it! In a way, it's a blessing to be tested here, and have our faith tried, so that we ourselves have the confidence that it is real and true and of God!

None of us in the US have been in TRULY fiery trials. HARD ones, to be sure, but fiery...not so much. Why do I say this? Because I've read Foxe's Book of Martyrs; I've read about what, i.e., Chinese Christians have, and do suffer...or what Christians in Muslim countries endure and......oh brethren...we haven't suffered ANYTHING...yet. Let us cry to the Almighty for strength, that no matter WHAT He sees fit to bring us through, we will rest ON Him and in Him! Amen! HE will uphold us by His grace! He has promised to save us to the uttermost! Let us trust on Him no matter what!

Hi all siblings. Today I came across some words that Jesus says in Mark 13. See in the passage The Son of Man comes verses Mark 13:24-27

We must all understand now i think, we are in this time. But there is no consolation: for it is getting worse.

Here I ask you all to be careful. Ever since my 1st day as an adult Jesus saved. Have i thought that this promotion has rubbed something terrible in my heart and ears. Something that is clear and should be for everyone is the following:

When Jesus comes, He will not kill us first. He wants to take us home to Him, right? Then those who live will be promoted! When Jesus tells as Matthew 24:12 writes, it becomes an explanation of what will happen when He returns. If we read this in its entirety, we will see the passage of the Son of Man Matthew 24:29-31

Then Jesus tells afterwards that one is taken away and one is let back. See this dear friends. Do not be fooled by anyone who has received great revelations about this. Someone has changed these sections. We chosen righteous will be with the end. But in the end, He comes as we wait. Then someone joins up to heaven. Only those who have Oil on their lamps.

We live in that time for the mark of the beast and have done so for a long time see Revelation 13:15 to give breath to the mark of the beast.

When we talk about TV and internet pc also further. I just have to say from my place: Have we not become quite strangely addicted to this vivid picture? I know of fine Christian Believers who sit in front of the TV screen every hour of the day! It's a shame, but they calm it down it's innocent. That's it not! They sit at home in their own living rooms and get scared, fearing all sorts of strange things. Agree with this: Does not such a thing take us away from the Lord?

Another key thing: Why did Jesus say it was accomplished when He had to give up His Spirit on the cross? Stay blessed in Jesus Name.

Simplebeliever,

I'm sorry if I am misunderstanding your post, but it seems a little contradicting to me, mainly your opening remark that true believers will go through the Tribulation, and your closing remark that there will be a taking away or Rapture for all believers but it will be that they may not "endure the Wrath of God before the final destruction of the Enemy.

Can you please explain?

If it helps, Revelation 20:4 is not referring to the church, but unbelievers who were left behind. They rejected the mark of the beast after being persuaded by the angelic preaching of the gospel, and the gospel of the 144,000. They will be beheaded, but they'll be with Christ.

Dear Simplebeliever

Please read Luke 21:34-36.

"34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Pay attention to verse 34. Jesus talks to His disciples. How, we christians, are of a danger to drift away from God and be unprepared due to the cares of this world when during the times of antichrist Christians are going to hide themselves to save their lifes and suffer because they will not accept the mark? How could we have cares at that time? If smd won't accept the mark he could not work, sell or buy. How can then care about this life? Care while suffering and getting beheaded by antichrist? Getting drunk while in danger? Doesn't make sense It is obvious that rapture will occur at some other time when people live an ordinary life.

Also pay attention to verse 36. Jesus tells us to pray to escape from all those sufferings and stand in front of God, not go through them.

HBU

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful

Rev. 20 verse 4 makes it totally clear in simple language that true believers will go through Tribulation, refuse the mark of the beast, die by beheading and rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. They will not be saved by some movie fable rapture or taken away prematurely. The pre-tribulation rapture is a total Satanic lie that will create the "great falling away" of wannabe believers who will be discouraged when the movies and lies are shown to be wrong . They will have to face the endurance and death of refusing the mark. Satan's followers will not "fall away from Christ" but those weak believers will say the Gospel they were preached must have been a lie ; give up and wear the mark and fall away. Yes there will be a taking away or Rapture for all believers but it will be that they may not "endure the Wrath of God before the final destruction of of the Enemy.