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Romans 8 VERSE 9 refers to Acts 5 VERSE 32 ..and we are his wittness of these things ; and so also is the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him...

The problem today are Pastors who do not have the Holy Spirit and preconcieved ideas of the infilling of the Holy Spirit referring to the fulness of God seperating the experience what Jesus told Nicodemus what he have and must do to enter into the Kingdom of God.....

Many preach the wrong context of the experience saying sleaking in tongues is only a gift and Mark 16 says beleivers would speak in tongues

My take is that Jobs wife was giving him bad advice, wanting to put an end to the suffering. She didn't have the answers and if I'm not mistaking Job never got an answer either. Never knew what was going on behind the scene.

And no one was born righteousness but Jesus. He was a quickening spirit. ""the second Adam""

The first Adam was a living soul, we come into this world a son of Adam. That's why we have to be born again, ""Meaning born from above"" Then we will be born of that life giving spirit.

Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. This is done by the baptism of the Holyspirit.

What hurts the Church today is the apostasy, The things we suffer to enter the Church and draw people away from the truth.

There are people in the Church that think we have to prepare the way for Christ return. Some abandon the truth for their on agenda.

Here's something would save us a lot of time when we minister lost, whether using scripture or not, We have the tendency to set aside what brought us to the truth,

Can a person feel the way you do or see what you see if he have a different spirit than you? Why do we use reasoning so often rather than scripture? Why not lead them to Christ for a filling of what you have in you, Once the Lord opens their eyes maybe they will see what you do and hear what you hear. As Jesus said my sheep here my voice.

Romans 8:7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1 Corinthians 2:13-16. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Sanctification comes after Salvation. Tbank you

While the promise referenced was directed to Jeremiah, we as believers benefit from the same loving kindness of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. ( Romans 5:8-10)

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. ( Romans 8:28-29)

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? ( Romans 8:31-32)

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. ( 1 Peter 5:6-7)

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. ( 2 Peter 1:2-4)

Hi Paul,

I think it's misleading when we think of God as having a presence like us. In those verses you place Jesus sitting beside God and there you have the son sitting beside the Father. But I don't think that's what those verses is saying. Here's an example.

Psalms 16:8.I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Now do you vision God sitting down beside David ? are is David referring to him as the power in which he shall not be moved?

Here's another example of him being the power.

Luke 22:69. Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

The right hand/power is an attribute in which he performs within the God head. Here's some examples.

Exodus 15:6. Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

Isaiah 41:10. Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Romans 8:34. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isaiah 48:13. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

This is just a few of many verses in which you see

He makes intercession from his right hand.

He makes us righteousness from his right hand.

His power is his right hand.

He judges from the right hand.

And as Isaiah 48:13 says along with the volume of the book

He created the world with his right hand.

So those verses proves He's God!! That why in Revelation 1:8 he's called the Almighty!!

Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

Thank you Sandra for your detailed explanation of your understanding of the Law & the Book of Ordinances. I do agree with much of what you've written. However, still the Scripture, Romans 8:1-4 niggles at us, to which you've not referred to directly.

How do you reconcile that Scripture with what you believe? In other words, what is Paul referring to here in Romans 8: the Law contained in the Commandments, or the Book of Ordinances, or both?

Hi Sheryl, I second what Mild Bill said, and to add to that, If a person is living in sin he or she might want to examine themselves, they shouldn't be in bondage to sin. Romans 6:1-6. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 8:10-15. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Thanks

Here is God in us all,

Ephesians 4:4-6 . There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH ALL, AND IN YOU ALL.,

"Now here is the Holyspirit and Christ in you and the Holyspirit is called the spirit of Christ"

Romans 8:9-10. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the

(((Spirit of God dwell in you)))

(((Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)))

"Here is Christ in us"

(((And if Christ be in you))) the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

"Again God in you"

1 Corinthians 3:16. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

There is Lord and one Spirit, God is a spirit. What kind of spirit is God? "Holy"!!

Jesus was in the bosom of the Father and manifested in the flesh, How do a spirit have a bosom as we know a bosom? Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (((the Almighty)))

Here is that in the Greek Greek:

Transliteration: pantokratr

Pronunciation: pan-tok-rat'-ore

Definition: From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling that is God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty Omnipotent.

KJV Usage: Almighty(9x), omnipotent(1x).

Occurs: 10

In verses: 10

I can heartily agree with your first paragraph that the Triune God is very Truth. But then you say that the Holy Spirit is not a person. And it's at this point that we have to dwell.

Before I give you some Scriptures, let me ask, "what if God chose to embody His "Truth" (the Holy Spirit), with flesh, as He did to His "Word"? Would that alter your belief that the Spirit is more than the Truth (a Word) of God, but very God Himself by His Spirit?

Some Scriptures for you to consider that the Holy Spirit is not only the 'Truth of God' but sent from God as God: 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 (He is Intelligent, He searches, He knows, He has a Will); Ephesians 4:30 (He has feelings - can be grieved & He seals the believer); John 14:26 (He teaches; notice the pronoun); John 16:13, Romans 8:14; Acts 8:29 (He guides, leads, speaks, hears, glorifies God); Acts 13:4 (He commissions or despatches); Romans 8:26,27 (He intercedes); Matthew 12:31 (He can be blasphemed); Acts 5:3 (He can be lied to); Acts 7:51 (He can be resisted); Hebrews 10:29 (He can be outraged). And these are just a few to consider.

Then if we leave off the word 'Spirit' & replace it with 'Truth' in those Scriptures (as you asked me to try out), in some cases, it could work as the Spirit is Truth, as God & the Son are Truth. But in other cases, that just wouldn't work (e.g. how does the Truth (as a spoken Word) grieve, search, has a Will, feelings, hears, glorifies, commissions, intercedes, blasphemed against, etc.?). And then again, why did God not just use the word 'Truth' (as in 'the Truth shall set you free') but rather shows us that His Spirit (of Truth) was sent to accomplish these tasks? I can see if someone has difficulty with the Doctrine of the Trinity, then understanding the Spirit's part in the Godhead would be a problem.

Thank you for your reply. I found 1 Peter 5:6-7 during my studies today. and I'm reading a book on Romans 8:28 I just wish man would not blindside me or hint at unknown outcomes.

The scripture identify this body we live in as a tent, this body goes back to ground in which it came, our spirit goes to be with the Lord is the way I understand it. And yes you should Know that you have eternal life, If not that would contuary to faith. That's why we have entered into his rest. 1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. Ephesians 1:13-14. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of PROMISE,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 2 Corinthians 1:21-22. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. 2 Corinthians 5:4-6. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

Therefore we are always CONFIDENT. knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: If I had to trust in me I couldn't be confident, but God already paid down on his procession and sealed my destiny and he gave me the spirit of promise, and will redeem his purchase. Thats why we can't loose our salvation, it's not in our hands to fumble, it's in God's. To say you can't know is contuary to our faith. God is faithful. And when we are saved it will manifest im our mortal bodies, Romans 8:11. A live branch bare good fruit, We may not be perfect but there is a transformation taking place, and "POSITIONALLY" sanctified. THX

You may read & consider the following Scriptures. But I should say, that when I think of a Christian as being permanently saved & can never lose his/her salvation, I think of a person who has come to Christ on God's Directions & Terms & has God's indwelling Spirit in them; as opposed to those who have not, & just 'grace' a Church building with their presence or may lead hypocritical lives, or for many other reasons. So, these Scriptures apply to a true believer, purchased by God through His Son, clearly showing that God never discards His children.

John 10:27-30; John 3:3,16,36; John 5:24; John 6:37,39; 1 John 5:13; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 1:13,14; Philippians 1:6; Romans 8:29,30,38,39.

Sandra, I do agree with what you've said about the 'law of commandments contained in ordinances', that the reference here is not to the Ten Commandments but to those other laws pertaining to sacrifices, new moons, sabbaths, etc., but not just these only, but all the Law was fully met by Jesus & then abrogated at the Cross.

"The Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good", but its usefulness, effectiveness & applicability became redundant at the Cross. For sin, taking its authority from the commandment, 'slew' Paul, because that was all the Law could do. What Paul hoped that the Law would give him life, instead only brought him death. So he said that "with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Was Paul saying that he was still going back to God's Laws, obeying in them in his mind & allowing his flesh to sin? No. In the very next verses he says in Romans 8:1-4: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." The Law of sin & death (the Ten Commandments & not just the Law contained in Ordinances, but the whole) which slew him, he now rejected, but rather a new Law of the Spirit had taken its place & brought him freedom & power to fulfil the righteousness of the Law.

And Galatians 3:19, as you quoted, doesn't refer to the Ordinances but to the Law - indeed that whole Chapter 3 is devoted to pointing the believers from depending on the 'works of the Law' to the application of faith through the Spirit.

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Romans 2:14,15 clearly show that the Law was never in our possession & we've never been subject to them. And then when the Gentiles became believers, the only instruction given was, not that any of the commandments given to the Jews be followed, but as per Acts 15:19,20: "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

Rather, our directive can never be from the Law given to Israel, because "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." ( Romans 8:2). If the Life-giving Spirit freed a Jewish Paul from the bondage of the Law, how much more to us Gentiles, who never received the Law, are only subject to the Spirit's directions in our lives.

Again, thank you for bringing up those very worthy points.

Romans 8:28, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

The Apostle Paul's affirmation that to a child of God, all things (whether of good or ill) work together according to God's Plan for us, for our good & blessing. So, even if something appears hurtful or a tragedy in life, we know that God is mindful of our physical suffering but has allowed it for a purpose, maybe just to draw us closer to Him & trust Him more for the future. Gold can only be refined through extreme heat, but the refining process is not a single event but multiple, until all the dross is removed. As God's children, we have to accept the good with the bad, knowing that it's for our growth in Christ & for His Glory as we are witnesses for Him in difficult circumstances.

I am trying to find the rest of this Romans bible quote.

God promises to make something good out of the storms that bring..... and that's all I remember. I saw this quote on Facebook and my iPad turned off. I just remember Romans...

Acts 9:4b

OUR IDENTITY IN CHRIST

The response of Jesus Christ to Paul on his way to Damascus shows clearly our oneness with Him. Oneness with Him is the result of LOVE of GOD. You can't separate a believer with Christ (LOVE), ROMANS 8: 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? WE ARE IDENTIFY WITH HIM IN ALL THINGS, Matthew 25:42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' 44And they too will reply, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You? our need is His need, our pain is HIS pain... absolute identity!

You have written perfect and truth, we teach the same, first to become Disciple ( mark 8:34) and make Disciples ( mat 28:19) so we are chosen by God to do his will ( John 6:38) so let us build the Body of CHRIST with 100% Holiness!

If you read all of Romans 7, you'll see the total of count of "I"s is much more.

Paul called himself "chief of sinners" somewhere else.

I think many people feel that way too. But then we roll into Romans 8: "there is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus...."

It's not What We Did that's impressive: it's what Jesus did that was impressive!

Amen?

Romans 8:16. Don't understand how Gods holy spirit witnesses to our spirit that we r a child of God. ???? How do I know this has taken place. I'm a Christian & have accepted Christ as Lord & Saviour.

I'm sorry to read of your sad loss but to know that your husband loved the Lord, and is now his present joy & your comfort & assurance.

The best Scripture that I can think of, considering your husband's connection with the sea, is in Psalm 107:23-30. Even though the Psalm may seem irrelevant to some extent, the thought that whether going through physical storms (which your husband would be well acquainted with), or even the 'storms' that we all have to face in life, that the Lord will bring His children to their safe haven (add, Heaven) at the end of our lives.

Hebrews 6:18,19 (loosely transliterated): "God has given both his promise and his oath. Since God cannot lie, we who have fled to Him for refuge can have great confidence as we hold onto the hope that lies before us. This hope is a strong and trustworthy anchor for our souls. This hope leads us through the veil that was torn down at Jesus' death into God's inner sanctuary. Jesus has already gone into Heaven for us. He has become our eternal High Priest". My husband (his name), had his hope resting only in His Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ; Christ was his sure anchor as he both sailed the high seas and throughout his life. And now that Anchor (Jesus Christ) Who was held on in faith throughout his life has now become his sight, as he stands in great joy before his God and Saviour.

Other useful Scriptures: Romans 8:35-39; John 11:25-27; Revelation 21:3-7; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; John 14:1-3.

I hope something here helps you & will reflect the hope & joy that your husband had in the Lord. May the Lord continue to comfort your heart by His Spirit & His precious Word.

"you won't see God with his son standing next to him".

Luke 22:69; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; Acts 7:56; Romans 8:34; 1 Peter 3:22; etc.

Even at the end of time, Jesus will still be there for them and us. I see Jesus' promise there in verse 20, as a description or an expression of the extent of His Love & Presence with them: even though the heavens & earth pass away, His devotion to His Church will never fail. Nothing can separate us from His Love. Romans 8:38,39.

Hi Cris, here is my reply

Answer to your questions, back up with biblical proofs:

Colossians 1:16 - 17 16For by him (JESUS) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (JESUS), and for him (JESUS): 17And he (JESUS) is before all things, and by him (JESUS) all things consist.

1 John 1:3 Context 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:19 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69 68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 7:56 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 10:12 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Peter 3:22 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Perspective Helps Us Understand God

Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere;

So I think I understand you: that God was alone in Heaven in eternity & it was Him & the cherubim that were involved in the creative work. And then when it came time for Jesus' appearance, you said "God manifested as a man name Jesus in New Testament; God as the Holy Spirit in Resurrection - all of these titles only belongs to Jesus."

So to the first point & to my first response to you on this matter: how do you understand Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3 & following verses?

To your second point: if God is now manifested as Jesus, & I assume you say that there is presently no God in Heaven except Jesus Who now God, then what do you make of Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, & others. I'm confused.

I suppose the Trinity issue doesn't come up until these points are dealt with first. Thank you.

I want Romans 9:18-22

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I think Rob, a dictionary wouldn't be very useful in this matter. So your answer is: "The Holy Spirit is of God". Well, that's correct but to expand on that a little, if I may amplify your thoughts. In great care, I would suggest that you also believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person, i.e. He comes from within the Godhead, sent into the World of sinners to convict & to indwell those who have been born again that they might lead new lives with a new Power within.

That He must be a Person, as shown in many examples: Intelligence ( 1 Corinthians 2:10,11); has feelings ( Ephesians 4:30); has a Will ( 1 Corinthians 12:11); has a Mind ( Romans 8:27); teaches ( John 14:26); guides ( Romans 8:14, John 16:13); commissions ( Acts 13:4); commands ( Acts 8:29); restrains ( Genesis 6:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:7); intercedes ( Romans 8:26); speaks ( John 15:26). Though He may be a spirit as from God, out of God's Being, He is the very Expression & Person of God Himself. I hope you agree to that, or am I putting words in your mind or mouth?

Then we come to God's Word. As seen with the Spirit, the Word of God is unseen, the very Articulation of God in creating, giving commands & direction whether to heavenly hosts, to His people on Earth or through His prophets & in other utterances that we're unaware of. Now there may be other aspects of God's Being that we're not told of, but of the Word & the Spirit, there's no dispute. The difficulty now for some remains with the 'Word'.

If then, God sends out His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes, why is it so hard to comprehend that He sends out His Word to do likewise? Or is that because the Spirit has no flesh, therefore it must hold true that God's Word can only be spirit without flesh? What if God chose to give His Spirit flesh maybe that would make it easier to understand the 'Word' easier.

Hello Raymond,

I believe we are all going to have to give account of what we have done in our lives whether good or bad.

As in 2 Corinthians 5:10

One thing that some people denote is that there are two different "judgement" seats. As in English we cannot see this. One word they use for "judgement" is "krisis" transliterated from Greek. As it is used for "accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment" in the Bible. The other word is "bema", also used for "judgement' in English, as the usage in the Bible is " judgment-seat set [foot] on throne." Some people say this is more for handing out rewards rather than condemning.

As there are two verses I know of in the Bible that says a "believer" shall not come into "krisis" or condemnation. One is John 5:24. The other is Romans 8:1 that states there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ.

As 2 Peter 3:7 states "krisis" judgement is kept for the ungodly people.

Hope that helps some. God Bless.

The Book you referred to is considered a part of the Deuterocanonical or Apocryphal Books that were rejected by those who formed the Canon of Scripture (i.e. the books we have now in the Bible). Those Books were rejected for several reasons, some of which were their authorship, hence authority, some glaring errors found within, references that were historically inaccurate, etc. However, the Roman Catholic Church has included most of them within their Scriptures & use them equally with the rest of the Bible. But by doing this, we then see their justification to pray to the dead, having Mary intercede for them, worshipping angels, alms-giving as also atoning for sins, etc. So, even though there could be much we could learn from those books, I believe with such errors found within, I have nothing to do with them, rather seeking understanding from the Scriptures I have now & if some answers are not learned, then to admit the Bible's silence & my ignorance.

After that quick outline of the Apocrypha, The Wisdom of Solomon likewise has shown some discrepancies. For example, in Wisdom 7:26, "For she (Wisdom) is the brightness of the everlasting light, the unspotted mirror of the power of God, and the image of his goodness." This verse alone elevates Wisdom to such a high level that even the Son of God might falter at it. Compare Hebrews 1:3 concerning Christ.

Wisdom 9:18, "For so the ways of them which lived on the earth were reformed, and men were taught the things that are pleasing unto thee, and were saved through wisdom." Whereas the Bible says that salvation comes by faith, a gift of God to those whom He calls, justifies, and sanctifies ( Ephesians 2:8,9; Romans 8:30).

It is understood that Solomon didn't write this book, but was a writing from the 1st or 2nd Century BC. The early Church (& the RCC) accepted this from the declaration in the Muratorian fragment, which states that it was the 'friends of Solomon' who wrote this in his (Solomon's) honour.