Matthew Chapter 2 Discussion Page 2

Verse 18 mentions Rachel and that she wept because her children were killed. Melville referenced this in the last chapter of Moby Dick. The Pequod was sunk and Ishmael is clinging to Quequeeg's coffin. Along comes another whaler, The Rachel, whose captain is criss-crossing the ocean because his son was lost in pursuit of a whale. Matthew has had such a profound impact on literature.

Jesse This ones for you the shepherds were told they would find a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes lying in a manger look up eastern culture and why that is a big deal, thought you would get blessed on that one.

Gaome You will not find the names of the Magoi but the reason they came so far with a literal caravan was because they saw an astronomical event that wasn't just a star it was actually a massing of planets, they were persian astronomers not astrology first one is science of the planets second one worship of the planets. They saw a planetary conjunction that's why they said to Herod where is He born King of the Jews, also they never a baby they saw a young child, the shephards were told to go see a babe wrapped in swaddling close. The reason the swaddling clothes was so important a sign in the east a child was wrapped in swaddling clothes indicated royalty and His words would always be pure.

Gaone Mothibi,

The Bible never says there were three wise men. The literal Greek word is the word MAGOI for wise men. It's where we get our English word magic and magician from. They were sorcerers.



They had come from the east. And in tracing back in history, and in tracing out the magi which they're called in English, back in the book of Daniel, as well as the book of Numbers, the magi were from the Mesopotamian area.

They never traveled in a small group, so it's unlikely that there were just three of them. People come up with the number three because of the three gifts that were presented but the Bible never says three wise men. We don't know how many there were that came, and we don't know their names.



They were actually a cast of Persian priests who were involved both as priests, as well as in the science field. They carried both aspects about them because they were involved in astrology and astronomy. In their priesthood in Persia, they relied on the stars, they relied on magic, and they relied on sorcery to gain their messages and to perform their function.



They believed that when a great person was born upon the face of the earth that a cataclysmic event would happen in the stars which is kind of interesting. They believed that this great man's angel is up in the stars and this cataclysmic event will happen right before he is born.



They literally predicted the birth of Alexander the great because they saw the cataclysmic events that happened in the stars and they knew that a great man had been born.

Why would the event cause them to come to Jerusalem? Well, in the Mesopotamian area, back in the days of Balaam, if you remember when Balaam prophesied, in fact, in Numbers 24:17, Balaam prophesied and said a star would come out of Jerusalem.

This was the same area that these priests came from. They had Balaam's prophesies. The Jews should have know the exact day that their Messiah would come. They missed it. But the magi knew!

Atually i want the names of the three wise man that saw the star that reveled the birth of the child Jesus

Ronald thats good stuff.

Joanne David

The lost sheep of Israel ( Jeremiah 50:6)

Jesus came to fulfill the law, the first covenant, flesh had to live a sinless life under the law of Moses given by God before it was considered an executed contract (fulfilled). The prophets, all prophecy pointing to the coming of their Messiah had to be fulfilled. These two things had to be completed before God could make a new covenant. The first covenant was made with the house of Israel and the second was offered to the house of Israel first but they rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

We see in ( Matthew 10:5-8) that Jesus told the twelve, to go only to the house of Israel and not to go by the way of Gentiles. God even told them when the Messiah would come, ( Daniel 9:25) and in ( Ezekiel 34:23-24) they were told a Shepard was coming. but they did not want to give up their authority and wealth they were enjoying, meaning the Sadducees and Pharisees.



Even when Jesus was born, they heard that it was in Bethlehem they were troubled ( Matthew 2:3) they did not even want to go see if it was their King/Messiah. We see in Acts when they totally said they reject Jesus and the new covenant, when they killed Stephen.

Acts 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,



The Apostles continued to confirm the new covenant to the house of Israel until Peter had his dream and Paul was converted and what God told Abraham came to be, and the mystery was revealed and confirming to the house of Israel stopped. The branch was broken off so we may be grafted in.

Genesis 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

God bless,

RLW

Just another perspective when he healed the womans child he was astonished that she even asked because anyone outside of Judean tribe were considered dogs, He healed here because she knew and believed who He was, many individuals came to Him not of Isreal and were healed because of there believing, I.E. centurions servant who jesus Christ said I have not found so great faith in all Israel, this guy said all he needs to do is say He's healed .and I'll believe it. Most people say if you show me a sign I'll believe. But originally he Came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, when they didn't believe and rejected He went from their messiah to our Saviour and messiah. Thank God

Joanne If the House of israel would have not rejected the messiah we would not have the priviledge to be christians now but God knew they were going to reject His Son They never believed He Is the Son of God they to this day believe he was just a prophet.

Hello Joanne. Matthew 15:24: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Jesus had gone to the coastal towns of Tyre & Sidon which are in Phoenicia. He went to minister to the Jews there (you might remember that the tribe of Asher had inherited some of that portion of the Land of Canaan back in the days of Joshua). So, we're not told what type of ministry Jesus was already doing there, when a Canaanitish woman approached Him to heal her demon-possessed daughter. Jesus didn't want to expand His Work to all people, so initially He refused her, saying that His Mission was to "the lost sheep of Israel", or the Jews who were perishing/in darkness for lack of Truth. Some could interpret Jesus' phrase as 'to the Jews who were scattered in these far off parts', but I think the emphasis on their 'spiritual needs' was what Jesus was referring to here. If Jesse sees this, he could clarify it better than me.

But because of this woman's great faith, Jesus just gave the Word of healing, for we read that her daughter was healed in that hour, or in that moment. And Jesus did touch the lives of non-Jews from time to time (e.g. you can look up Matthew 8:5-13; John 4:1-42; Mark 5:1-17) but His Mission was primarily to the "lost sheep of Israel".

What does this particular part of scripture means: CHRIST was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel .

This Question is for the Jewish Rabbi's, per the Jewish Scriptures, What was the timeframe and year of the Comet that fell for 70 days?

Was it 5 BCE or another year?

What foundation can we go back to as brother's in Christ? Can we justify our relationship to this foundation only by scripture or is there other evidence? What is accountability? Does the Holy Ghost remind us of our foundation and what it cost? Did we sell everything to know the foundation? Do we remain on the foundation or is there temptation to wander off? Can we/you teach the Gospel or reprove for the Gospel's sake if we are not on the foundation? Who is our brother, who is our sister? On the true foundation do we remain teachable? God leads to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, do we know Him?

morning meditation.

It was really awesome to see that even though out of fear joseph decided not to go to israel, God had another prophecy for him taking jesus to Nazareth. It gives hope to those who would have felt that chances were lost by decisions they would have made. God never give up on us and continues to journey with us until we arrive at that place.

Matthew 2:4

KJV 1611 reads "where Christ" referring to Herod asking where the Christ is to be born. The Greek reads

"where the Christ" with the definite article. Christ was not Jesus's surname. The NKJV has the definite article, having corrected this error in the KJV.

God gave some unconditional promises to Israel, Those promises depend on Gods faithfulness not Israel's.

i'm an American i was born in Mexico i've believed in Jesus and heard messages given me in dreams and words when waking up. once i heard Israel this is your last chance at that time i was being carnal cause someone was attacking me.

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At least two thats why they say a young child

How old was Jesus when the wise man came to visit

In the text it indicates that Jesus was a young child, how young was he when the kings arrived? We have always believed that he was a baby in the manger when the kings arrived........

Dear Sam,

Thank you for your feedback. Can you please be more specific? What specific comment by whom do you feel is in error and what specific book and chapter of the commentary do you disagree with?

This web site is a dishonour to the Lord and some day those responsible will answer for it .

Get rid of your comments and commentary made by men that are in error !

I had heard in the past, around age 2; which I tend to believe. It would've been very difficult to go those distances with a newborn infant.

Here's some Google history:

They reached Egypt after a 65 kilometers journey where they lived for three years until after the death of Herod in 4 B.C. when Joseph had a dream that it is safe to return to Israel. The family traveled to Nazareth which took them a journey of at least 170 kilometers.

The Gospel of Matthew, chapter 2, gives a biblical summary of Christ's early infancy and childhood. This passage identifies the place of Christ's birth as being Bethlehem of Judea and the time of His birth was in the days of Herod the King. Herod the King was known as "Herod the Great," and was made King by the Romans in the year 43 BC Historians tell us that his death occurred approximately 4 BC According to Matthew Henry's commentary on the book of Matthew, page 10, Christ was born in the 35th year of Herod the Great's reign. According to Albert Barnes' commentary on the book of Matthew, King Herod the Great died in his 37th year of reign. The best chronologers have supposed that Herod died somewhere between two and four years after the birth of Christ, but the particular time cannot now be determined; nor can it be ascertained at what age Jesus was taken into Egypt. It seems probable that He was between one and two years old-based upon the account of Herod's order to kill all the children two years and under.

After Joseph was told to take Mary and Jesus to Egypt how long did they remain there, how many years till Herod die?

After Christ was born, how many days later did the three wise men visit?

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The most tragic figures in Matthew's 2nd chapter are the mothers of the children slain by Herod. They would not be comforted because their children were no more. As the mother of a lost child, I can envision their grief and horror since it is not clear they had any real clue as to why their babies were dead. I am struggling with the question this brings up: if fulfilling God's plan meant allowing my child to be slain, could I do it? Who among us could? Yes, God the Father could, and did, allow his Son's death. What could I sacrifice?