Numbers Chapter 14 Discussion Page 2

Hi Cynthia My heart goes out to you, there is a point where it has to be put in Gods hands, if not we get drained of

emotions and yes finances. I have a daughter that went through a personal heartbreak and ever since then her wake up so to speak cock tail is double capacino in morning followed by zanac followed by [medical high powered marijuana] this started at 19 shes now 32. She has to smoke pot before going to sleep, it is affecting her memory slowly

and when she talks sounds like she's 18. I pray for God to intervene because its the only way she will get delivered but she has to want it.

Hi, Thank you for this info and for responding. Please see my reply to David, and if you have other scripture regarding stopping helping him, please respond back.

Yes, Gigi, he can't help himself, please see the reply to David and let me know if any biblical insights come to you. It's a very emotional problem that we face daily.

Thank you David for your comments. We struggle because the addiction has now turned into schitzophrenia and hearing voices. It is even hard to tell if he is straight. He does not know what is real most of the time, and cries over visions and things that he thinks has happened but have not. So if he needs help ( he is homeless now) and we have spent thousands on helping him and rescuing him many many times for many years, ( and now its more of a mental health issue) I am wondering biblically if we are wrong to stop helping him. He is our son by the way, and my husband and I do not agree on what to do. Thanks for any scripture that stands out to you.

Hi Cynthia.

I would like to add to what has been shared. I intended to respond earlier but got side tracked.

What drugs do other than being harmful for your health is influence the flesh as well as drunkenness from alcohol.

Ephesians 5:13-18. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

( AND BE NOT DRUNK WITH WINE, WHEREIN IS EXCESS; BUT BE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT; ) I believe to be Awake, walk circumspectly, and to understand the will of God is when the Holyspirit is present in you. Alcohol and drugs voids us of the Spirit working in our lives.

Another verse that may go with that is Matthew 12:43-45.

Here the Lord is using the actions of an unclean spirit to draw a picture that parallels with Israel for the Pharisees.

When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. ( The unclean Spirit. )

Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. ( Void of the Holyspirit. )

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

I believe this goes for any thing that may have us in bondage/Darkness. You turn from Darkness to Him who provides the light. "Christ in you"

I pray that helps, God bless.

Cynthia,

I do not know of any Scripture that speaks directly to addiction to drugs or even alcohol (which we are to use in moderation and not for drunkenness) In Revelations 21:8, it speaks of sorcery and the word is translated "pharmakia" (maybe mi-spelled) which means "the mixing of potions. So , here it speaks of the one compounding the drugs, but not to addiction.

I believe that addiction is a work of the enemy. He uses a physical substance that affects the brain in a certain way to enslave the person into dependency after repeated use. So, there is a spiritual element to it along with the physical and mental addiction. Some people are miraculously healed from addiction, but others make a determined effort to get help. Also, some people are past the point of being able to help themselves. But in all of this, prayer and fasting for such people is what many believers are called to do as intercession for the one addicted.

Families often get caught up in the addicted persons problems because they love them, they may enable them and bail them out of trouble. Often the addicted person will steal, abuse and disrupt family life of those related to them to the point that the family has to step away and severe contact with the person for safety and financial stability sake. We had to do this with my brother who was severely bi-polar since he was 14 and involved with drugs and criminal behavior that harmed other people, both inside and outside of our family. I prayed for him for years and years and he finally was delivered by finding a woman who helped him get into treatment and they then married when he was around 50.

Whenever I see homeless people on corners and around "camps", I extend my hand out to them and pray for God to intervene and send the right person to them to help them, since some I have seen on the street for several decades and they are past the point of being able to help themselves.

God works, sometimes, quickly, and sometimes slowly.

Hello Cynthia This is a challenging field of deliverance because some so-called christians think if God put it here he wanted it used, the other challenge is it has become [acceptable] in society. The word sorcery is pharmacia but keeping things in balance not everything used medically is dope. How to handle an individual on that stuff is to lovingly ask why they do it, but the reality is until they want delivered like us before being born again, pray for them that father intercedes.

I had a friend who was a believer got tricked into doing dope hard core I picked him up and he moved in and promised to clean up His act. I told him make the promise to God I also told Him any trace while living with me he's leaving. Three days later he packed his bags I looked at Him in tears because i knew i would never see him alive again.

Six months later he was gone, God will do everything he can to keep someone out of the soup, but they have to want it. The reason I say tricked because who intentionally really wants to slowly kill themselves.

Is there scripture in the Bible that talks about drug use and people who choose them and get addicted to them like (Meth). ? Or, people who can't get away from the addiction and all the evil that follows? Or people who know God, and became addicted? This is in regards to a 32 year old who was raised Christian. Or even more helpful ..Family that continue to help and rescue him and divisions this causes. Thank you!

Is the ark of the covenant in holy place of the house that solomon built. for the lord

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How many sisters did Jesus have and what were their names.

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Resembles the Attitudes Conditions of the USA today!!!

Verse 11~We can see why Jehovah God was upset with the Israelites. He had provided for them and showed his power by performing miracles and yet they still doubted him and disobeyed him.

The events of the wilderness typifies the Christian life. Those that believe not in the Gospel of Jesus Christ are not heirs of salvation. Those that believe were chosen from the foundation of the world to be sons and daughters of God.

In verse 23 Jehovah God had reached his limit. We must not take God's patience and kindness for weakness.

Scriptures like these reveal the personality of God. He is patient and willing to forgive. However, he does not pervert justice like humans do today. If you are guilty, and unrepentant, he will see to it that punishment is administered so justice can prevail. How many times today, do we see people get away with committing crimes? God is truly is the almighty Judge.

Forty signifies times of testing

It seemed very difficult for the people to trust God even after all the things he had done for them. God was with them day and night and they heard him speak. Help us Lord to trust you in all situations.

I wonder what 40 is symbolizing, JESUS fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, Moses was in the Mountain for 40 days and nights, and now 40 is mentioned again and I'm sure in other places I am unaware of or can't think of the exact verses the #40 shows up, I know it's not the only number mentioned but still it shows up quiet a bit. May God give us the strength to hear him and to follow faithfully,Amen!.

God will do what He says he will do.

Num. 13:33; 14:8-9; The difference between the 'faith' of these scriptures! Ten believed not, 2 had no doubt. Just as Jesus - "Many are called, but few are chosen.

Faith unlocks the divine storehouses, but unbelief bars its doors. Moses did not believe, thus he bared the doors to his own ''divine storehouse''.

God is telling us to trust him, or be let behind.

We serve a God that keeps and honours covenants. He cannot change because of any man. May HIS name be praise forever and ever.

God not playing,when God tell us something he wants us to trust in him.

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When you live the Life of truth and see things with the eyes of the Spirit you live longer

When you live the Life of truth and see things with the eyes of the Spirit you live longer

With mouth confession is made. What do you profess with your mouth. In all situation, look at the positive side. God that brought you thus far will never leave you in your present predicament.