Revelation Chapter 1 Discussion Page 3

The one thing that we have to remember is that GOD can be in many different places at once. And Jesus Christ was GOD manifested in the flesh. So it wouldn't be impossible for everyone to see him at the same time all over the world in the clouds.

Dear Lord, help me to understand your word. In Revelation 1.7 every eye shall see..... Is this possible on a globe earth.

Hi Dawn.

Michael the archangel seems to be a powerful militant angel in the behalf of Israel.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of "THY PEOPLE" and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 10:13.

Daniel 10:21.

However we know he is not Christ.

We can easily refute that here in Jude and in the book of Luke.

Here in Jude 1:8-9. you see Michael the archangel gives respect to dominion and says THE LORD REBUKE YOU.

Jude 1:9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Here in Luke 4:8. We see Jesus who created all things rebuke Satan.

"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

Michael the archangel is a created being.

"The Angel of the Lord is the pre incarcerated Christ. Who created all things.

Colossians 1:16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

John 1:3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God bless.

Hey Dawn Pattison,

Revelation 1:5 is about Jesus; He is the prince of the kings of the world. The word prince used is the Greek word archon meaning; ruler, governor, leader, leading man, no authority higher. God placed Jesus above all, Philippians 2:9, and He will reign until all enemies are put under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25.

Michael is one of the chief princes, the only one called archangel, Jude 1:9 and the prince of the people of the house of Israel, Daniel 10:13-21. At the end we see that Michael will stand up, Daniel 12:1, also in Revelation 12:7-12 Michael and other angels cast Satan out of heaven down to this earth permanently.

God bless.

RLW

It would appear that he was designated to be the principality assigned to protect Israel; as other angelic but fallen beings are in charge as well (such as the Prince of Persia). Thus; in God's prophetic timeclock these entities are in warring mode; such as the Revelation 12 war in heaven which is designed to occur at the midpoint of the Tribulation and attached to the time when the earthly Antichrist begins his 3.5 year rule along with the mark of the beast when subsequently the angel of the bottomless pit (Abaddon or Apollyon) possesses him; AND the world worships the dragon (Satan) who gives power for this rulership.

It is such as a top leader over lesser entities that the battles in heavenly places occur. Clearly; these are tied into the prayers of saints; as in Daniel's case with the 21 day delay in answering his prayers. There are certain rulers of earth; therefore which are tied to the entities that are controlling them as God Himself delegates authority. Just how the fate and end of nations tie into the individuals and when they reach a point when judgment is ripe is something in God's plans. For now; prophetically we know that Israel will be preserved along with a godly remnant until God's judgments (Jacob's trouble) commences; then the victory is won in heavenly places once Satan is cast out. On the earth; eventually when they cry out to their deliverer they will be saved from total destruction but not until half the city is ravished; and 2/3 die in all the land. In short; all things in heavenly places are where the real action is; and what we see with natural eyes just a reflection.

All these beings work in submission to Christ as governing authority; even the dark side is utilized for His purposes.

Dawn:

Christ is the Angel of the Lord (the Father).

Christ is the highest ranked Angel.

Christ is Michael the Archangel.

Christ is the Prince.

Isaiah 63:9 ....and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE (the Father's presence, the ONLY LIFE there is) saved them.

Christ is the saviour, therefore Christ is the Angel, the messenger of the Father.

Luke 1:19 And the Angel answering him said unto him, I AM Gabriel, that stands in the presence of God ...

Anyone standing in the presence of God, has the LIFE OF GOD.

Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD (ONE LIFE) and Father of ALL (standing in his presence), and above ALL, and through ALL, and IN YOU ALL.

John 14:6 I AM THE LIFE .....

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ in You ....

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and will rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT (in the presence) of the lord (the ONLY LIFE).

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the only Life) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE SPIRIT, and ONE BODY .....

God Bless You!

Wesley's Notes for Revelation 12:7

And there was war in heaven - Here Satan makes his grand opposition to the kingdom of God; but an end is now put to his accusing the saints before God. The cause goes against him, verses 10, 11, Revelation 12:10-11 and Michael executes the sentence. That Michael is a created angel, appears from his not daring, in disputing with Satan, Jude 9, to bring a railing accusation; but only saying, The Lord rebuke thee. And this modesty is implied in his very name; for Michael signifies, Who is like God? which implies also his deep reverence toward God, and distance from all self - exaltation. Satan would be like God: the very name of Michael asks, Who is like God? Not Satan; not the highest archangel. It is he likewise that is afterward employed to seize, bind, and imprison that proud spirit.

People's Bible Notes for Revelation 12:7,8 And there was war in heaven. The woman had been seen in heaven, and there she is seen to be assailed. She has, however, a champion who fights her battles.

The angel Micheal is called ( Dan. 12:1) a "prince"

i would like to know why the Archangel Michael is referred to as our Prince?

Second, the readers must know that the Bible reveals the history of the world-The dispensation of time. About people in different times. Plenty of examples about people in different times, and in the end God reveals Himself to the readers to prepare themselves for what is coming in the near future. Readers must understand that after Jesus Christ died on the cross, He selected Paul to be the 12th Apostle for us Gentiles. Apostle Paul also is a Jew and would love to see the Jewish Nation to be saved as much as saving all Gentiles. You will find that the Bible is hard to understand. But trust the Lord and not men. God will guide you to the truth. Jesus Christ is the ONLY Priest alive seated in Heaven with God, The Father; and through the epistles of the Apostle Paul (I.e. The Book of Romans to The Book of Philemon) he told us how to be saved for 2,000 years. A grace period given by God because God loves us ALL. My question to you is How do you know you are saved?

The Lord's Word (Bible) does not offer speculation, only TRUTH. Amen

"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" Titus 1:2 KJV

First, we must establish the readers to know who is the church. Church is not a building. Church is the people that believes in the blood shed by Jesus Christ to save us. Church is the Body of Christ. Church is the people that walk in the Spirit of God and the people who are in the Kingdom of God. Are you one of us?

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Colossians 1:18 KJV

"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:" Colossians 1:24 KJV

"Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house." Colossians 4:15 KJV

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18 KJV

"As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Romans 9:33 KJV

"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV

"And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:" Galatians 1:22 KJV

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Ephesians 5:23 KJV

"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Ephesians 5:27 KJV

"For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:" Ephesians 5:29 KJV

"For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." Ephesians 5:30 KJV

"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:32 KJV

Where I stated "every spirit " it should have been stated "every evil spirit ".

They are 2 different battles ( in which they think it is a battle against the Almighty God, but Our God destroys them). Armageddon is a place where all men of flesh is gathered and are destroyed. Gog and Magog is Satan and the fallen angels and every spirit descending upon the saints of the thousand year reign with our Almighty Saviour Christ Jesus and fire comes down out of heaven from God and devours them.

NELSON WALTERS

on youtube has some videos concerning this, now. Prior to now, I think there's been an unwillingness to name names. It works better if you read history. At this time there is still speculation.

Are the battles of Gog and Magog, and Armageddon one and the same battle? If not, which occurs first?

Hello, As I consider once again these appearances you pointed out, I am reminded that we are to remember that God is truly holy and pure. We should revere Him and avoid speaking lightly of Him be flippant in our approach to Him. But instead, I think we should seek God with humble adoration and gratitude and rejoicing. Perhaps we need more of this attitude and practice in our lives and churches today. We don't need to be "entertained" by God or the church service, but instead we are to bring a sacrifice of praise and an offering of worship to God, for He is worthy.

The appearance of Deity in the Old Testament brought humbling responses. When the Lord appeared to Moses from a burning bush, Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look at God ( Exodus 3:1-6). When Isaiah saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, he cried out, "Woe is me! For I am lostfor my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts" ( Isaiah 6:5). When the prophet Daniel received a vision of the glorious Christ, his strength left him. He fell into deep sleep with his face to the ground. However, an angel touched him and told him not to fear ( Daniel 10:8-12).

When the apostle John saw the glorified Christ, he fell at His feet as though dead ( Revelation 1:17). However, the Lord responded by telling Him not to fear. He identified himself as He did in verse 8 as the first and the last. Because believers are united by faith to Him, who is eternal, they too have nothing to fear.

Lots of people have seen Jesus in visions. I have. He is seated at the right Hand of God, making intercession for all believers who will come to Him.

I can tell jaw dropping testimonies of Jesus's intervention but it is by the Holy Spirits unction that I do. We are His disciples and it is Jesus who deserves the praise and thanks.

We don't wait TO FEEL like praising and worshipping and honoring Jesus. He is worthy to receive it always.

Revelation 19:10

King James Version

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

That's pretty funny how interpreting this verse that way means Adam could have been 334.8 million years old.

Noah enduring the 40 days of rain could have been over 109 years of rain, or 1 hour.

Where is it stated I found it in 2 Peter 3:8. It is says 1 day for God is equal to a thousand years on earth. To get a good grasp of this read the entire chapter of 2 Peter 3.

Hi Don Kauffman.

I agree with Brother Adam.

We have to be consistent with scripture, There is no where in scripture where they calculates days as a thousand years. If so Adam would be 1000 x 360 x 930. Wow! Those would be very long days. Adam would have been 334,800,000. years old when he died.

But we can't ignore the second half of 2 Peter 3:8.

"and a thousand years as one day."

That takes us in the opposite direction! Which makes a thousand years very short.

Adam probably would be a few seconds old when he died.

So which half of 2 Peter 3:8 do we use?

So let's examine that scripture again and put it in its context taking it from verse 3 on to verse 9. and you will see the emphasis is on Gods patience, and longsuffering, Not the length of days.

2 Peter 3:3-9. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; BUT IS LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Amen Brother Adam.

Well stated.

God bless.

I believe they were literal 24 hr days. "scientists" who claim this or that does not convince me and I do not find atheist's claims credible. Many of their claims of the past have been reversed when they learn something new about the earth, such as, yes, the flood did indeed happen, like seashells being found on mountain tops today, which they previously assumed was impossible, etc.

I'm aware of 2 Peter 3:82, but I don't think it necessarily applies to everything. I think it means God not bound by time dimension- He created time. Some believe this verse ONLY applies to creation and somehow not for the rest of scripture about God's days and activities. Further, it doesn't just mean it could have taken God 1000 years for each human day, but is just as likely that 1 day for God is 1000 years for man, so 1 day of creation in man's terms could have been 1/1000 of a day for God.

God bless...

God's ways are higher than man's ways. - Isaiah 55:9

There are God's days. - 2 Peter 3:8

There are Creations days. - Genesis 1:5

God who created all things by JESUS CHRIST ( Ephesians 3:9)

Gave all his creation the same time in days which are, "The Evening and the Morning" light and darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:5 (KJV)

The evening and the morning are all creation's days. (From Heaven and Earth to Angels and Men).

God's day is as a Thousand years.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Pet 3:8 (KJV)

When God told Adam, The day you eat thereof you shall surely die. - Genesis 2:17

The day God told Adam was in God's day.

How do we know?

Because Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old and he died.

That's not a Thousand years.

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Gen 5:5 (KJV)

The Lord JESUS bless you.

In the beginning God created the heaven and earth. How long were Gods days?

Isaiah 11:2

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

I believe this verse prophesied the seven key characteristics of the Holy Spirit that Jesus was empowered to manifest in His ministry at His baptism when the Holy Spirit came and rested upon Him as a dove.

In Acts 2:3 it says:

Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

We should not be surprised that the Holy Spirit's power is manifested as seven separate flames in Revelation if we accept that this is the way he first manifested Himself to and through the Church at Pentacost. The number seven is used so often in Revelation for perfection that it would be astounding if any other number had been given as the count of the number of divided tongues of fire that reveal the Holy Spirit in that book.

I'll take a stab at that. In short; the Holy Spirit is the SOURCE of the Seven fold Spirit encompassed in the Body of Christ; represented by the seven churches in Revelation. The seven "angels" of the seven churches can be understood as messengers in the original language; so that the meaning can essentially be one or both. The number for completeness as many suggest seems to be 7 in scripture. So the churches in Asia probably represent the emphasis that each church has in particular giftings; so that all together they are a typology of all churches worldwide in that time; as well as throughout history. We also will tend to see the same weaknesses; then as now. My best understanding is that with an individual with a particular gift there tend to be characteristic weaknesses as well. Christ Himself embodied ALL the gifts; hence He could be balanced and also have the Spirit "without limit". ( John 3:34). As for the church itself; temptations of Pagan society; persecutions or lack thereof and other factors help determine particular issues of struggle. We need to realize that the most dangerous situation in Laodicea was where people felt most content; was in fact in the greatest danger. The opposite was in Ephesus; where everything but their "First love" was being done correctly. In short; it would appear that each church was granted a particular emphasis on a certain manifestation of the Spirit; as was predestined for their particular situation. Some would go through persecution and death; while others such as Philadelphia would ultimately escape it in the Rapture. There was at the time still a remnant; or individuals God exhorted to remain faithful even in Laodicea who would wear "white" garments. There are some valid points to each of the churches being a time period from Pentecost until today; when the Laodicean type church seems to abound. My theory is that each church has a primary type of gifting necessitated by the conditions present.

To continue what Alex said: The HOLY Spirit : John 4:25, John 14, Luke 1, Luke 3:16,22, Luke 4, Luke 11:13, Acts 2, Mark 13:5-37, Luke 12:12, 2Timothy 1:7, Galatians 5,

Acts 10, 1John 3:1-24,

1John 4:1-21,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study.

Deborah i don't know if this IS what you are looking for....But Rev . 4 : 5 Says the 7 lamps of fire burning before the throne are

the 7 Spirits of God.