Revelation Chapter 22 Discussion Page 3

Mel S., I'd say that makes it "our" version :-)

God the Father, God the Son Holy Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit are one. Holy Trinity is one. Jesus Christ said "I and Father are one. " Jesus Christ is a part of God.

replying to a comment by "Karen Newman"

The wild beast here at revelation 13 is identifying two beast. (is a Man's number #666... 1 John 5:19)

It speaks like a dragon (Satan the Devil is liken to a dragon Revelation 12:7-12.

The Devil and his demons tells lies.- Genesis 3- John 8:44; Matthew 4:1-11.

but believes and shudders- mark 1:23-26; James 2:19 )

Satan Gives this wild beast power, a seat (throne), great authority on the earth. this beast is fatally wounded, mortal wounds (Wars/Billions slaughtered).it speaks great things and blasphemies. (speaks against God, blaspheme his name. (Through the centuries bible translations has taken out God's name. "not this king James". those who translated the bible were not ordinary men but "religious leaders"- Psalm 83:18)

This wild beast was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them.

( Example:70 C.E Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. Hitler Germany concentration camp

slaughter holy ones from 1933 to 1945 etc. Religious leaders supported him and walked with Hitler holding up arms with him) has authority over every tribe, and people, and tongue,

and nation.

This wild beat descends out of the earth;

tells others to make an image. (what images can you think of?)

Those who refuse to worship this image to the wild beast is killed.

who are mislead by this man (#666 mark/more then one man) influenced by Satan the devil?

and who is mislead to worship and bow to this image?

All people (Follows the wild beast or with admiration, worships it)

1. The rich

2. The poor

3. The free

4. The slaves

This wild beast (This Man, a PERSON, He/This mark 666 has authority.

any man who had or has this mark) buys and sells

( Luke 4:6 This Wild beast is very rich from those worshiping and admiring him)

Hope this helps

What is the mark of the beast and how do I recognize it?

In Gen. 1, plants were created BEFORE man, but in Gen. 2 it happened AFTER Adam was created. How can this be?

Hi Ron Thanks were on the same page that's my understanding. In His Service

8th day ,.. he needed a farmer to till the land !!! For on the 6th day , he created all the races ,.. it was hunters , gatherers,.. an fisherman, that 8th day creation also that was the blood line that Jesus would come threw ,..

Hey Rick,

The word create/created, Hebrew bara meaning to shape, more modern definition, to make something out of nothing. creation ex nihilo Latin for out of nothing, something only God is capable of. God created heaven and earth Gen 1:1, God created great whales and sea creatures and birds brought forth out of water Gen. 1:21. God created man, male and female Gen. 1:27, and there's more. We also have the words Let there be, Let the, made, make, and formed. Is there a reason for this question?

Thanks for your reply, God bless,

RLW

Hi Ronald What is the definition of the word create in Genesis Chapter 1?

I agree the order is not contradictory, I believe it happened exactly the way God gave to Moses. The creation in six twenty-four-hour days. I do not believe these six days are a recreation of a world that was before and destroyed. All that was created was after their kind (No evolution)

Day six, God created man in his own image male and female and God told them Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish(fill) the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over all the earth. "And God saw everything that he had created and said it was very good.

In chapter 2 God rested on the seventh day. Now here the plants of the field had not grown because of no rain, and there was not a man to till the ground, a mist to water the land and LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground and placed him in the garden that LORD God made grow and every tree pleasant to the sight, and good for food for Adam the dress and keep it.

Plants on day three, and man on day six, can we honestly say this is the same?

Then LORD God said it was not good that man was alone unlike the end of day six everything was very good. So, LORD God formed beast of the field and fowl of the air out of the ground and brought them to Adam to name.

On day five we have the fowls out of the water, and day six we have the beast of the earth, cattle, and creeping things, created before man, male and female. In chapter two we have Adam formed and he was alone with no female, animals, and fowls that were formed after Adam.

Can we say this is a more detailed description of the six days?

Why do we try to make fit Adam and Eve in day six when scripture clearly shows they were not? What would it change if Adam and Eve were later, how later, or what went on before them, we are not told? The flood wiped out all but their descendants who were eight, Noah, his sons, and wives, and the line of Seth leading to Jesus, who the Bible is all about, and all humans from Adam until now are descendants of Adam?

God bless,

RLW

Hello Jan, I still don't understand what you assume is a contradiction?

God - Day 3 - plants

Day 6 - man

LORD God didn't plant a garden until AFTER he formed Adam. He hadn't made it rain because there wasn't a man to till the ground, but water came up from the earth. So, he formed Adam & planted a garden. God didn't wait until there was a man to till the ground, but that's exactly what LORD God had planned to do.

Go into this websites' SEARCH BOX enter the word: CREATED

and hit the arrow, you can sort the list if you desire.

It will expand your view. From Old Testament to New Testament.

If you will go to the SEARCH BOX ON THIS WEBSITE, and type in just the word CREATED;

The Search Engine will pull up all the verses in the whole Bible with CREATED in it. This includes Old and New Testament.

You will have a complete picture of Creation. Also, how it is explained in real time and future time; and everything in between.

In Genesis, Highlight all the places where it says What Day God blessed when He was Done. [ first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh. You will see the before, during, and after motions.

For some reason New Christians will start out in Book 1, chapter 1 and be disappointed by Day 7 of Creation.

All of us should start in the Gospels, then Acts, the writings of Paul and other Disciples of Jesus. For a blessing: the Book of Revelation.

Proverbs for Wisdom; Psalms for Comfort and Prayers of all kinds. The Prophets to understand past connected to future.

We're not trying to discourage you. We're trying to help you find what you are looking for.

John 3 Jesus shows Nicodemas that we all MUST BE BORN AGAIN, to see the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus baptizes us with THE HOLY SPIRIT, who is our Teacher on this earth. He reveals Jesus do we can understand.

We can chit chat all day long, but it is the Holy Spirit that reveals Jesus, and our Father, God. All of John 3, reveals who Jesus is to us; believers.

We're just being helpful, trying to. :)

Hi Jan This is a perfect example of carefully reading Gods Word Genesis 1:22 God made the beast it doesn't say create there. In Genesis 2: 5 is a continuation of explaining what God had done earlier in genesis 1:29+30. In Genesis 2:19+20 God is saying who he put in Charge of creation Adam and Eve would be there to help Him. That's why God brought all every beast of the field and fowl of the air to adam then adam with Gods spirit named all of them just think about how intelligent this man was. It was not normal human intellect. Prayerfully this Helps In His Service

Hello, I'd like to respond to what you wrote: "when the order in which they created things is contradictory"

The order isn't contradictory. Is it possible you are intepreting it in a certain way where you perceive it to be contradictory? Because it's not contradictory when I read it, nor has it ever been.

You wrote: "it's not the validity of the Bible I dispute, but the interpretation of it."

I can only guess as to why would choose to interpret it a certain way that doesn't seem to line up. I know from past experience others made assumptions about how information is presented. For example, it's common in books to have a summary or thesis statement in the beginning then go into detail and explain it thereafter. Let's say you told me you were in a car wreck then said someone side swiped you. Then I respond by saying "What?! You were in 2 wrecks? You were in a car wreck THEN were side swiped, that's hard to believe. Be honest, were you in 1 or 2 wrecks?"

Is it possible that when you read in the begining God created the heavens and earth, etc that you didn't interpret that as a summary statement, but an event that happened and ended, then when it says God created Adam, that you assumed it was at a different time and not simply the same event explained in more detail?

God bless...

Hey Jan,

The Bible does not contradict itself; the traditions of men do. When we read with all those preconceived ideas and traditions, we cannot hear the Holy Spirit of truth. I am sure the word just popped out telling you this does not match. Jesus busted the Pharisees, ( Mark 7:4-9), traditions are of man. The tradition of Adam and Eve being the first humans is a tradition.

I am not of the group of a world before this one and it was destroyed, but you are correct the six days do not line up with the second chapter with Adam and Eve. The purpose of Adam is what gets lost, was it to start humankind or the start of the plan of our salvation, being the first Adam and Jesus the last Adam to undo the works of Satan. Due to the flood, we are all descendants of Adam.

Things to look at, the word earth, h-'-re #776 meaning earth, land, countries. And field, the word field ( ha--eh). Strongs #7704 meaning; field, land, agriculture. All the plants in day three were self-producing no cultivation needed. Second chapter it had not rained because there was not a man to till the ground. These were plants of the field, you must plant and till a garden or it will not grow, (husbandry).

The animals in chapter two were of the field (domesticated), the fowls were out of the ground (domesticated) not out of the water as day five. This clearly is another creation and one would have to deny or ignore what scripture clearly says to fit a tradition.

Man, male and female in day six were told be fruitful, multiply and replenish (to fill) the earth, subdue it and have dominion over all thee earth that God had created. Adam and Eve were in the garden, could they do what was told man in day six? No. If we say it was after they were cast out of the garden could God say at the end of day six all was very good? No. Adam and Eve sinned and they did not multiply until they were cast out of the garden.

I know this is not a lot of info but may it help.

RLW

In my own experience with it, I noticed that the days of creation are laid out in a couple of chapters; then creation proceeds with a different view and then it goes backward and adds more to that place it seemed to stop.

Some passages are easier to study if you have a KJV Bible WITH CENTER OF EACH PAGE, REFERENCE COLUMNS. It has the tiny alphabet letters that references From a scripture to additional information, or to a prophesy. Sometimes the prophesies point to New Testament confirmations that a prophesy was fulfilled. So paper and pen are needed for deeper studying.

This website has a really good Search Engine. You put in words you recall that's in a scripture you're searching for, and it will go fetch anything with that word in King James Version.

Example: People will put in 'Rapture', but the KJV calls it 'Caught Up'.

The best thing I learned was you can't speed read through the Bible. You learn a lot from who is in a Geneology. Often the daughters are not recorded; but the ones that are mentioned are probably in a story elsewhere. That's why the Reference Bible I mentioned is helpful. You have to be sure your are ordering CENTER OF EACH PAGE REFERENCE COLUMN.

That's how I found out that Judas was in a prophesy in Psalms, that he would betray Jesus which means it was recorded hundreds of years before it happened.

There are charts in Google of Just Old Testament Prophesies with the dates of fulfillment. Same for the New Testament. You might want to save those to Reading List or google desktop for easy access.

Occasionally I find really good condition Reference Bibles at Goodwill. I found a brand new smelling Strongs Complete Concordance :D

Hi Jan The things your asking in Genesis is Gods design and in His order its either believed or not, the other question about God or lord God. Yes there is a difference depending on context of usage, two examples in Genesis 12:1 the word lord is yahweh which means He who Is, in Genesis 17: 1 the lord appeared to abraham and said I am the Almighty God translated from El Shaddai and said walk before me and be thou perfect. This is just one example that you can look up yourself. There is also Jehovah which means God in relationship to his creative works. It is a very inspiring study to get into you can find the info in strongs concordance or young's analytical concordance. Have fun Its Very eye opening.

Would you help me understand how LORD God (Gen.2) could have created the beasts after he created Adam, but BEFORE he created Eve, but God (Gen.1) created the beasts before both Adam & Eve?

Also, why were the plants created BEFORE man in Gen.1, but in Gen. 2 it was AFTER Adam had been created?

By the way, it's not the validity of the Bible I dispute, but the interpretation of it. Most people say God & LORD God are the same being, but how can that be when the order in which they created things is contradictory?

Thank you.

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I believe all these new bibles that are being put out in these last days are of the devil because he knows the scriptures too. Why do you think we have this plague on us right now.

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These new ones will cause confusion in the body of Christ. We know who the author of confusion is. (the devil) He came in with changing the thee and thou and this is how he comes in just a little at the time. Give him an inch he will become your ruler.

We are given the choice because before the end it is necessary for a cleansing.For those who love God to separate from those who serve the dark and evil that is satan. God want's hos own to be with Him for eternity and those who stand against him to spend eternity with the God they choose. Like the word says you can not serve two masters for you will love the one and hate the other. Therefore we are given the choice of whom we will serve.

Terrance.

Perhaps this is what you are talking about,

John 21:22 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

Read the whole chapter.

We had each other in mind at the same time brother Jesse!

Well Carleton, thank you. You are much too kind and humble. I think we can all learn from you. We are all an encouragement to each other in one way or another. You have a blessed day in Christ my brother

Jim,

In Mark 12:17, Jesus said render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

They were trying to trap Jesus about paying taxes. Jesus asked who's image was on the coin. They said Caesar's.

So what was Jesus saying?

In Genesis 1:26, it says that God made man in His image. Do you see where this is going? Jesus is telling them if that is Caesar's money and he wants it, give it to him. It is worldly. It is part of his system, so give it to him.

But you are made in the image of God. Give Caesar his money, and give God what is due to Him.

I hope this helps!

Carleton,

Thank you for sharing that. That's a great example of one unable to be shaken of the faith God gave them!

....The chief reason why we were were tortured , was , that we should tell how many teachers there were, what their names were, where they lived, where in the city I had taught, how many I had baptized, where the ministry was imposed upon me, and what teachers were present upon that occasion; and I should acknowledge the magistrates as Christians, and infant baptism as right. Then I pressed my lips together, committed it to God, and suffered patiently, remembering the words of the Lord, where He says: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." John 15:13-14....

Martyrs Mirror

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Hi, I had a dream once that Satan inside of a known acquaintance who shared the same two close friends of mine as friends of his. Only I was a Christian. Anyway we were in a laundry mat and I was telling the friends about the Lord when this man put his thumb to my forehead and I instantly fell to the ground. I cried out to Jesus and the dream ended. I think people can somehow harness power that is not of the Lord for their own temporary gain. From my Christian experience I can say the Holy Spirit is gentle.

Can a preacher touch people in a church and power of holy ghost knock u down?