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Hi Naomi,

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The Bible says when we die we will enter a state to await Jesus's return then will face judgment all together. It's called judgment day. Matthew 12:36, Hebrews 9:27. There's no verse saying you get to skip this, and nothing saying you go to heaven then go back to earth into your body, only to go back to judgment after you've already been in heaven.

Daniel 12:2

Job 14:12

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

1 Corinthians 15:18-20

Matthew 9:24

Those who believe in instant heaven involves misinterpreting 2 key verses: 1. Misquoting Paul when he said he'd "rather" be in heaven (those sleeping in the grave haven't necessarily departed from their old bodies yet anyway), 2. Thief on cross when Jesus said that day he'd be in "paradise". Most ignore all the other verses above saying we will await Jesus's return, then have a day of judgment. God bless.

The gospel is for all, but God doesn't give rewards to those who hate and reject Him as you assume. Jesus even predicted this exact scenario of someone assuming they were entitled to deserve heaven. On this contrary this is what Jesus said about that: Matthew 7:21. I believe Jesus's truth over man's falsehoods. The self-entitled who act deserving and like to shortcut and distort God's word may God have mercy on their soul: Revelation 22:19. "...God shall take away his part out of the book of life." This is very serious stuff. God is a fair judge.

Does anyone know where Jesus went during his 3 days before he rose again.????

Our pastor states at every funeral that when we die we are instantly in Heaven if we are saved. I can not find this in the Bible. My Bible reads that the dead are sleeping and will raise again when Jesus comes back for his own. Where can I find that we are instantly in Heaven when we draw our last breath.

As GiGi posted Revelation chapter 3:15-17 and there's something to be said about the lukewarm. That's where we are now as a whole in the world. The church has gone completely lukewarm. The church looks much like the world (not all but many): a dark stage, laser/spot lighting similar to a secular stage, worship which resembles 1980's/90's alternative rock, focus on false signs & wonders rather than the simple things of God, no more alter calls, replacement theology, modern bibles (many of which omit important verses or warp them to the point of being non-readable such as MSG)...I could keep going. Then there's that same "christian" which my wife and I see covered in tattoos, swearing with their friends and then with a blush of embarrassment yet still entitlement on a Sunday. One cannot walk with one foot in Hell and the other in Heaven; God won't have it. There's on one of two sides of the grave. You're saved = Heaven; unsaved = eternity in Hell. But that's what we're doing today -- the lukewarm church only wants a passive shoulder Jesus and knows more of the world than they do of God.

it has been 8 years. Are you still married to Christ? Your words still ringing true even now, this is the truth when it says it, even so now! The word of God never passes away. What can be said now even after 8 years , is that heaven and earth have never been closer to passing away. The truths of Christ attacked like never before!

Roman, you are right:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Most problem is they think man has to be saved in this age of grace, when scripture teaches most will be saved in the age of judgement.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth (in the grave) for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED into the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.

This happens when Christ has gathered his elect in this age of grace and returns, in the age of judgement, to judge the world.

Isaiah 26:9 ....when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

GBU

Thanks Earl.

God bless.

Hi Slue..lemme give ya my take on Samuel...Yes he was of the tribe of Ephraim as his Father was an Ephrahamite...But in that Hannah lent Samuel.(.just a baby ) a Child to the lord ALL the days of his life....He became a Levite....only the tribe of Levi cd minister before the LORD and burn the sacrifice and wear the linen EPHOD...God only spoke to Samuel not Eli...And Samuel was just a Child when God spoke to him but not to Eli...Thus it was Samuel that became the Priest in the place of Eli...Thus according to the SPIRIT he was a Levite...As only the tribe of levi cd wear the Linen Ephod and burn the sacrifice and go into the most holy place between the 2 Churubim of Glory ....Thus lil Samuel became a Levitical Priest...and a great Judge...As he judged Israel for about 40 yrs

......Thus its no wonder that Samuel was considered a Levitical Priest...a Levite....Although his lineage was of Ephram....Josephs lineage....God was very upset with Eli and his sons saying he wd judge Eli's house forever saying not even burnt offerings or sacrifices cd remove their sins for ever.....All this comes from 1st Samuel...KJV

A good exercise for me is to look around where I am see the things associated with securing, cleaning, maintaining and lighting my current dwelling that will all pass away in heaven because there is no need to have them.

Exodus 34:12-14

King James Version

12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

God has no tolerance for false religions and national views, values, and norms that are offensive to God. That includes American democrat promotions of abortion, homosexuality, immorality, lying, theft, violence, sedition, racism, and so forth.

I have a comment on Jeremiah 1:5

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Abortionists do not know that they murder God's innocent children whom He knows and loves when they murder children in the womb.

Dear "Marke" when you say it like that. I think you said this really unwise. One thing is for sure all these leaders have been appointed not by themselves. But from God, as kings and queens. They are doing something that they are forced to do, they have a purpose. Like Judas. So you also really need to land on earth again and think about: What does God want with your life? I think about it daily, what would Jesus have done. I can see Him coming walking toward all the unsaved, making contact and talking about the kingdom of Heaven. :)

We must pray for our leaders every day, that's right. We should pray overhead every day, that's right. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 As my friend, everything becomes as God WANTS. THAT IS THE MAIN THING. Remember we are like ants, they have nothing they should have said in this context! Sand grains! Are you with me? Acts 2:32-39

Have you tried and asked the Holy Spirit why it is being fought again in Europe? In while we watch the war. If we forget other things, look at China now Shanghai! The city is locked 25 million ppl! All democratic sanctions imposed on Russia strike back at Russia and end it, take their friends also! Sick people are not treated, covid, tells them? Now people are sitting in their houses starving.

Now all countries in the world must begin to think that we are exposed and that with the danger of food shortages!

Please, join us so we dive into the scriptures instead of hang out some ppl.

Always be happy After all, i have not yet lived with the danger of my live. Everything has a connection, so it is our job to find out what: Read Luke 11 and 12 chapters. Stay Blessed Jesus Loves u and want u to come to the truth, i love u in Christ.

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Hi Sue , I personally believe that he was definately a Levite . His mum gave him to the high priest at that time to serve in the temple , also he offered sacrifices to God , only Levites were allowed to do any service in the temple and to offer sacrifices .

Do you hear what you're writing, dear "Brooke"? Do you really think we should go back with sacrifice? What Jesus Christ Did Once for All? After reading the answers you have received, I hope you have repented and been baptized.

But i completely agree with you that we should read and in His time we will explain it. Thought about this just today, when one gets a case handed over that is of faith who is from Him. It branches out to the one who hears. Then they get quite uplifted. Dear remember and read both GT and NT in KJV and follow the references. Then I'm pretty sure you get the case explained, i wich u good luck. And please come here for more input. Everyone here on this web site has only good peace thoughts for everyone who visits it, me too.

Please follow me in Luke 12:12 and read the whole chapter.

Hi Slue. According to the Hebrew, the word given for 1 Samuel 1:1, is 'Ephrathi'. So the KJV is correct is stating Ephrathite. 'Ephrathi' is the word used for a descendant of Ephraim (one of Joseph's sons), but is now an inhabitant of Ephrath. These people were called Ephrathites.

Now, Ephrath is a word sometimes connected to Bethlehem ( Micah 5:2 (prophecy of our Lord's Birthplace); Ruth 1:2; 1 Samuel 17:12), as Ephrath was a nearby city to Bethlehem. Some believe that Ephrath was an ancient Canaanite name & Bethlehem was the Jewish name.

I give thanks and pray every night before I go to bed, when I rise and during the day. When in the mountains is when I feel the closest. Boulders, grass, trees and the fast running water. I feel God made that area for us. May all be blessed by the Lord.

VSB, that verse applies only to a physical death. 1 Corinthians 11:27 onwards, speaks of why some people are disciplined by the Lord in this matter about partaking at the Lord's Table. The specific reasons are not given by the apostle, but clearly, some were partaking but were unworthy to do so. It may have involved their manner of coming, as in verses 20-22 (making that special supper an orgy of food & drink). Paul may have been thinking of some who were living lives unbecoming of a believer & yet the same ones come piously to the Lord's Table to seek 'repentance' or gain God's favor, in hypocrisy. And others, not giving due consideration to this important time of remembrance of Jesus' Sacrifice, by frivolous talking or jesting - or many other reasons, which you might even think of.

We cannot judge what's in other people's hearts, nor should we even try to, but every heart remains bare before God, for He cannot be fooled by our irreverance & sinful ways. God will judge: some are dealt with by illness of various sort, others who continue to refuse the pleading & ministry of the Spirit in their lives, will have their lives cut short "that they should not be condemned (receive the same condemnation) with the world". Better for these to have not partaken, than to partake in a manner that brings shame to the Lord Jesus & on the solemnity of this occasion of remembrance of Him.

Ben W,

Are the 800,000 Muslim's headed for hell because they don't confess Jesus as their savior? Or do they have a place?

Scripturally, you don't know where one sentence begins, or where it ends, because you consume it as one.

God's promise is an all inclusive hierarchy, not a cream of the crop race to the top.

As long as you believe in Jesus, Love and Make peace with God and man. You will also be kind to his animals. Love is the Key.

In 1st Corinthians 11:30 is it a spiritual or physical death can you help me understand this. Thank you and God bless you!

Hi S. Lynn. Yours were interesting thoughts, whether God would have forgiven Ahab's son, Ahaziah, if he also repented as his father Ahab did. As you probably read in 2 Kings 1:1-18, Ahaziah was looking through the lattice work (window) & maybe leaning heavily against it, when it broke & he fell down some distance & seriously injured himself. Instead, of seeking the Lord for healing, he sent out men to enquire from a heathen god. But Elijah, God's prophet, stepped in & assured Ahaziah that for his wickedness (& of course from God's Word to Ahab ( 1 Kings 21:29)), that Ahaziah would be the one to bear the evil done by himself & his father. So, it wasn't entirely because of the sins of Ahab, but Ahaziah himself was also very wicked to warrant his demise.

It's difficult to know how God would have dealt with Ahaziah if he too repented, but we do know, in hindsight, that all the successive kings of Israel after Ahaziah were counted as 'bad kings', with only Jehu doing some good, though he too was considered as 'bad'. So, somewhere along that kingly line, punishment would have been given out, & probably to a greater extent (with suffering) as sins against God accumulated.

The Bible is divided into a old testament (will) and the new testament (will). The new testament is God's current will. When someone makes a new will the old one is replace by, or subject to the new . Hebrews 1:1 God spoke in times past by the prophets but in these last days spoken to us by his Son. The old law came through Levi but Jacob prophesied that the lawgiver would proceed out of Judah. David prophesies Christ would be after the order of Melchisedec. In Hebrews 7 it states that the "the priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change in the law. The law can be for a shadow of the new, but not the very image ( Hebrews 10:1) 1 Timothy 1:8 The law is good if a man use it lawfully implies that the old testament can be used if it complies with the new testament. Romans 3:31 Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid, yea, we establish the law. 2 Cor. 3 has numerous verses that the old testament was to be "done away". The new testament is referenced as the "law of liberty" and the "law of Christ" which is the true lawgiver. Christ in Mat. 7 said in several places "ye have heard that it was said by them of old time" but "I said unto you" indicating that some old testament laws were not according to the "new will".

This idiom is not found in the Bible, nor can any particular verse be found to fit its intended meaning. From a quick research, I include the following, though remaining unverified:

"This is an American idiom about retrogenesis - the theory or observation that a person is born as a child, grows to adulthood, and reverts to a childish or child-like state in old age. The idiom was first recorded in 1889 in Hosea Ballou: A Marvellous Life-story, by Oscar F."

Samuel: was a Seer, Priest, Judge, Prophet and military leader of Israel. Unquestionably a very powerful man of God.

However, there are two passages that mention Samuel the Prophet's ancestry. They are 1 Sa 1:1, and 1 Ch 6:16-29. The latter claims he was a Levite, but the first, at least in all modern translations other than the ESV (and the KJV) states that he was an Ephraimite. What is to be made of this?

I thought I was understanding the comments, but now I'm totally lost in the confusion.

Thank you

Amen, Brother S Spencer!

God Bless You!

Hi Brook.

You said grow spiritual by keeping the law? We can't.

Galatians 3:2-3.

Galatians 3:5-7.

Galatians 3:8-9.

Galatians 3:10-11.

Galatians 3:12-14.

Also read Galatians 4. and

Galatians 5.

Jesus didn't do away with the Law.

Jesus took on the penalty of the law that brought death.

Colossians 2:14-17.

In fact it's called the ministry of Death.

Here's a few passages from Paul. at one time he felt the same way you do and set out to kill anyone that followed Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11.

Romans 7:10-11. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Romans 5:20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Philippians 3:2-10. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Galatians 5:11-12.

God bless.