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Colossians 2:7...We are to abound in the love and the understanding of the truth that is in Christ, with thanksgiving. It is not saying to abound in thanksgiving. Thanksgiving abounds in itself from abounding in the things that draw us closer and closer to Christ.

Water baptism part 2.

Acts 22: 16:

Paul defense, testimony on trial telling the people; that he was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Romans 6: 3, 4:

Paul says those that are saved have been baptized, buried in the name of Jesus.

Ephesians 5: 26:

Christ sanctify and cleanse His church with the washing of WATER by the word.

Colossians 2: 11, 12:

The circumcision of Christ takes place in water baptism.

Hebrews 9: 19, 20:

Our bodies are washed with pure water.

1 Peter 3: 20, 21:

In the days of Noah, 8 souls were saved by water. The like figure even BAPTISM ALSO NOW SAVES US.

In conclusion, water is used to separate you from sin, cut off the flesh to bring you into new covenant with Christ, the NEW BIRTH, BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT!

This was the continuation of water baptism part 1.

Acts 2:38:

Baptized in water for remission of sins to be saved. Jews first, then gentiles.

Note:

2: 41:

3000 souls were baptized to be obedient.

Acts 8: 36 - 39:

Philip baptized eunuch in water.

Acts 9:18:

Apostle Paul is baptized.

Acts 10: 47, 48:

Peter baptized Cornelius and his family.

Acts 18: 8:

Chief ruler of synagogue believed on the Lord(many with him) got baptized.

Acts 19: 1 - 6:

Paul baptized certain disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 22: 16:

Paul defense/testamony on trial telling the people; that he was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Romans 6: 3, 4:

Paul says those that are saved have been baptized/buried in the name of Jesus.

Ephesians 5:26:

Christ sanctify and cleanse His church with the washing of WATER by the word.

Colossians 2: 11, 12:

The circumcision of Christ takes place in water baptism.

Hebrews 9: 19, 20:

When Moses read the law to all the people, he took blood, water, hyssop, and sprinkled them with it, signifying God have enjoined them.

Hebrews 10: 22:

Our bodies are washed with pure water.

1 Peter 3: 20, 21:

In the days of Noah, 8 souls were saved by water. The like figure even BAPTISM ALSO NOW SAVES US.

In conclusion, water is used to separate you from sin/cut off the flesh to bring you into new covenant with Christ, the NEW BIRTH, BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT!

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

These are scriptures of when the 3 persons of the Godhead were speaking to each other.

I was taught that Adams name means, Man. Eve's name means, Man with a womb.

Adam and Eve were of flesh, soul and spirit up until they ate of tree. Then the spiritual connection was severed.

By being Born Again, Jesus restores that spiritual connection through the Holy Spirit who indwells us.

Jesus' death did not cancel the Law He fulfilled the Law. We must not confuse the commandments of Jesus and the law of Moses. The sacrifices of the Law "ye could not be justified by the law of Moses". The law is written in our hearts

We are not justified by the laws but by the faith in Jesus, the things of the law we do through faith not works. If we look to the law to do the law that is works and we are not saved by works but we are saved by grace and belief in Jesus. Just a few scriptures, and few of Jesus's commandments are; Follow Him, Repent, Don't Lust, Love and pray for your enemies, Love one another, Love God, etc. I know you may not agree but the ten commandments are part of the Law.

Gal.5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Ephesians 2:15-16 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Gal.2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

God blessings

Reply to Rod:

Using the Search Box on this website; type in the words, Trinity or Triune. Those 2 words ARE NOT in the King James Bible. Cover to cover.

If you type GODHEAD, you'll see 3 scriptures be fetched by the search engine. Read these.

Acts 17:32

Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Comment: people will buy paintings of the Godhead and decorate their walls.

Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of HIM from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead BODILY.

Comments by me. Genesis 1:1 is clearly understood. God Wills; Jesus (The Word) speaks; the Holy Spirit performs. "Time. Force. Action. Matter". Four things all scientists have tried to explain throughout time. Earth is the only planet that has water.

Christians have the mind of Christ. We're all enabled to see the Godhead at work; on earth and in our lives. How? The Holy Spirit indwells us in our born again spirits and teaches us the Word of God. Seek and you will find.

If we can just read the Bible and accept what is written in it; believe, apply to our lives; and like little children do: believe what God says about Himself. If you doubt or debate, you're in a ditch. Your faith is a shipwreck.

God is on the Throne. Jesus sits at the right hand of God, making intercession for The Saints of God. That's us. The Holy Spirit is present on Earth, PERFORMING what is in the mind of Jesus Christ.

How hard is that to understand? The Godhead works together every moment. A Bible ENCYCLOPEDIA shows all of the Holy Spirits names. There are many. Learn all of them. Praise and worship that He is at work in your life. Do not grieve or quench the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 10:28-30 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (Read More...)

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 1:1-5 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (Read More...)

The Godhead Scriptures on Romans 8:9

Write these on the inside cover of your Bible. It comes up a lot.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

God is Spirit

The Holy Spirit is spirit

Jesus said he's the Son of Man: all God and all human.

In these verses, the Godhead is speaking to each other.

Write these on the inside cover of your Bible. It comes up a lot.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

God is Spirit

The Holy Spirit is spirit

Jesus said he's the Son of Man: all God and all human

Hello Anji,

I am so happy to hear you are reading the Bible...it can be quite challenging at times. The "Us" you are referring to if the doctrine of the Trinity. You may have also read it in Genesis 1:26 when God says "let us" and "our image". You will read it again in Genesis 11:7 when God says "let us". But the clearest picture of the Trinity and the Godhead is not given until the New Testament: 1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. God is complex and it can really make your head spin trying to understand everything about Him, but He is triune; three in one; One God. We are made in His image; as such, we are also triune: Body, Soul and Spirit: " 1 Thessalonians 5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." This is called the "tripartite" nature of man. Much like the divine Trinity, the three parts of a human make one being.

To explain Genesis 3:15, the best way to read the verse in context...meaning understanding what is going in. The Serpent has just deceived Eve, who in turn deceived Adam. Adam and Eve had their eyes opened after eating the fruit from the one tree God commanded them not to eat from. God is now meting out judgement.

Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity (animosity) between you and the woman..." The Lord is speaking to the serpent (Satan), "...and between your seed..." (offspring or those who follow Satan) "...and her Seed..." (The Lord Jesus Christ) Christ "...shall bruise your head..." (the Victory that Jesus won at the Cross Colossians 2:14-15) , "...and you shall bruise His Heel..." the sufferings of the Cross.

I hope this helps you. Keep investigating!!

Don't let anyone judge you; you are the only one one earth, YOU. Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" If you have believed the Gospel that Paul preached in 1st Corinthians 15:3,4, you have the righteousness of Christ. Romans 3:22 "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:" Plus: all your past sins, present sins, and future sins were forgiven when you believe the Gospel. Did you believe this Gospel? 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" If you did believe that, you are Perfect, Colossians 2:10 "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:" Sins are not imputed once you are saved, but righteousness is; Romans 4:23-24 "Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;" Let me hear from you.

Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Psalms 34:18 - The LORD [is] nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

John 16:22 - And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Matthew 5:4 - Blessed [are] they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

John 14:27-29 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (Read More...)

Isaiah 41:10 - Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

2 Timothy 4:7 - I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith:

Colossians 2:5 - For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-22 - To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: (Read More...)

Psalms 147:3 - He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. (Read More...)

Philippians 1:3 - I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,

John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Philippians 4:6-7 - Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. (Read More...)

They are a great comfort

Hi Connie.

No one knows all there is to know of the scripture, we grow as we study his word, and we learn from others, some scripture is clear and should bring us comfort not fear, If your trust in your salvation is " COMPLETELY " in Christ finish work on the cross YOU HAVE NO NEED OF FEAR OF JUDGEMENT he gave us comfort in his word.

Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Here is one for the sabbath and anything else one would think he or she need to add to Christ finish work on the cross.

Colossians 2:13-15. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Our faith come from hearing INSPIRED scripture! And we can trust in Christ alone, not our experiences. Thank you.

Some churches preach to this day that Jesus abolished the Ten Commandments when He died on the cross. They proclaim this assumption by using Ephesians 2:15 as their basis of evidence, which says. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;..." The obvious truth here is, that the verse states that it was the Commandments contained in ORDINANCES that was abolished at the cross. Not the Ten Commandments contained in stone. The passage in Colossians 2:14-17 has also been used to preach the Commandments abolished. But if you read it you will find it was, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances", again that is mentioned in that passage. According to the Word of God, these ordinances were "added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" ( Galatians 3:19) It's rather clear to see here that the "commandments contained in ordinances" were added by Moses for a specific reason. If we read the passage again we see it also states these ordinances were only added TILL the seed should come. And who was this seed according to Scripture? Galatians 3:16 boldly proclaims, "thy seed, which is Christ."

The commandments contained in ordinances were added by Moses thousands of years ago as a way to prepare the people for the FIRST arrival of Messiah. They showed their faith in the coming Messiah by keeping the ordinances on a regular basis. When Jesus died on the cross, the ordinances were no longer needed because he fulfilled them by all He did while visiting us as Messiah. The "ordinances" were a series holy days, new moons, and Sabbath days that were to be considered a "shadow of things to come." The word "ordinance" is NOT the same as the word "commandment." where in the Ten Commandments does it speak of "meat and drink?" Nowhere do we find such statements in the Law of God.

Colossians 2:13-17. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Perhaps a parallel. Colossians 2:8 (KJV) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Rick, I believe that the early Church had elevated Jesus Christ to the "level of God". We might not see it in their writings as the Bible doesn't reveal what the Church actually preached to Christians, but shows us what the apostles taught them or on what issues they were taken to task over. So assuming that what the apostles believed & taught through their epistles, we have many Scriptures that confirm that the Godhead includes Jesus His Son.

Some of them are: 1 Corinthians 8:6; Colossians 1:15-17; Colossians 2:9; 1 John 5:7; Philippians 2:5-8.

But if you're referring to the early Church after the close of the apostolic era, then I can send you some quotes from the likes of Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, etc. So this teaching on the Trinity is not something recent as we are led to believe or from the RCC, but the firm belief of the apostles, of the apostolic Church & the Church in the 3rd Century onwards. You may believe that Jesus was perfect in every way securing our salvation through a perfect Sacrifice, but if He wasn't God in the flesh, then our salvation remains on shaky ground: it had to be God Who gave up His Life for us in demonstration of that pure Divine Love - the provision of any other 'perfect Sacrifice', whether human or animal by God is no demonstration of Divine Love - only of a Divine Provision which could necessitate the need for further sacrifices (as was done in the OT). Jesus was the one & only Sacrifice that could fix man's inherent problem - if He failed, there would remain no other sacrifice available for God to give us.

Hello, the way I understand the Godhead and the 3 in 1, comes from a different angle. Remember we are crafter like Him let's look at Gods Body:(I understand He's Omni-all)

Here we see it says the fullness of what makes up God the Creator dwelled in the Lord Jesus Christ- Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Isa9:6 is very telling, look at all the names of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor (Holy Ghost), The mighty God, The everlasting Father (Also the Father), The Prince of Peace.

Counselor -

The everlasting Father

The mighty God

We see from scripture, unless I missed a spot but there is only 1 image of God, The Lord Jesus Christ

Col 1:15, 2cor 4:4

We humans are made in his Image AND Likeness.

What does this mean? Image-Body/Spirit Likeness-Character, Emotions, The soul.

It even says we have the 3 and they are 1 yet we are not 3 people.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Isa 9:6 says speaks of the Lords Spirit when it mentions He will be called Wonderful, Counselor

What about the soul? The Father? Jesus mentions His (The Father)"shape" being unknown

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Col 1:15 calls Him "Invisible" Yet He is one with the Word made flesh, The Son

We are made in His Image and likeness, body soul and spirit

His Glory/Image/Majesty is displayed in the Lord Jesus Christ of whom is the

"Body" of God- Col 2:9,2 Cor 4:4, Col 1:15

Even the Lord Jesus Himself tells you unless He Himself is Being praised, Not the Father, nor the Spirit but HIM they are false look at what Joh 16:13,14 says about the Spirit of Truth.

And just to your other question about the Godhead: that's correct, when the term Godhead is used (as in Colossians 2:9: "For in him (i.e. in Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."), it is understood that the Trinity is spoken of, as the Godhead in His Fullness constitutes the Person of His Son & the Person of His Holy Spirit.

If any of the Persons were absent, then the Godhead (or, Trinity) would be incomplete & God wouldn't be God as revealed in the Scriptures & to our spirits. His Fullness & Unity are expressed as God the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit: "these Three are One" ( 1 John 5:7).

You're correct, those particular terms are not found in the Bible; only Son of God or Spirit of God. However, could it be that those terms actually imply a similar meaning?

For example, I point out a car to you which is parked kerbside. I tell you, "That's my car". How do you understand me? In the normal way, you will immediately assume that the car belongs to me. But actually it doesn't belong to me, it belongs to a friend, from whom I have loaned it. So which is correct? In a sense, both are correct: the car is mine because I have the key to it & I drive it - so it could be that I own it or I took loan of it - it's still mine to get inside & drive it.

The point I'm making is that whether Jesus is described as 'the Son of God' or 'God's Son' or 'God the Son', can still have the same meaning only if the Scriptures spoken about Him, warrant it. If we didn't have John 1:1-14, John 20:28, Isaiah 9:6, Titus 2:13, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:1-8, John 10:30, 2 Peter 1:1, & others, given to us, then yes, you would be entirely correct to say that Jesus is just a created Being by God, thus to be called His Son.

So the question is not about the accuracy of the term 'God the Son', but rather what do people do with all the other Scriptures that point to Jesus being both the Son of God & God the Son? I have often asked people to exegete John 1:1-14 to me & they have failed to do so. I did see a Christadelphian article on it, & they say "the Word that became flesh was not the incarnate Son but the incarnate Word". Strange! If the Word became flesh & we know of no other human that became one from the Word of God, then it must apply to Jesus Who is God's Word made flesh & dwelt amongst us. I have no problem with this, but those who oppose this doctrine fail to provide an adequate explanation, rather either avoid such Scriptures or apply another interpretation to them to support their belief. Some might be convinced by this - others, reading the Word, remain unconvinced.

2 Corinthians 5:6

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Colossians 2:5

For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Michael:

When an unbeliever in our Savior Jesus Christ, dies physically: the body resides wherever loved ones buried it, or where it fell dead. The soul separates from it and is kept in a holding place until the Great White Throne Judgment occurs.

Christians that die; their physical bodies lay in a grave or wherever they died: and await the Shout of Jesus at the moment of the Rapture. Jesus will transform them into the resurrection body: body, soul, spirit.

[In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43) ]

Now that you know these things; what are you going to do about Jesus?

Matt.24, Luke 21

2 Corinthians 5:6

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Colossians 2:5

For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Michael:

When an unbeliever in our Savior Jesus Christ, dies physically: the body resides wherever loved ones buried it, or where it fell dead. The soul separates from it and is kept in a holding place until the Great White Throne Judgment occurs.

Christians that die; their physical bodies lay in a grave or wherever they died: and await the Shout of Jesus at the moment of the Rapture. Jesus will transform them into the resurrection body: body, soul, spirit.

[In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43) ]

Now that you know these things; what are you going to do about Jesus?

Matt.24, Luke 21

My understanding: the Sabbath was created as a day of rest for Israel ( Exodus 31:12-17), just as the Lord rested from His creative Work. This fourth commandment was blessed by God & sanctified (made holy) long before He gave it as a direct commandment to the children of Israel. It was a day of complete rest (cessation from the activity that occupied the other six days) & a day devoted to God. The other important sign given to Israel to set them apart from all other nations, was the act of circumcision. Both were for Israel only.

From the time of Israel's exodus out of Egypt, they learned which day was the actual Sabbath: Exodus 16:25-27, when they found no manna on the ground on that day. Ever since then, the count was on: 6 days work - 1 day rest, right up to the time of Jesus when He observed the same Sabbath, indeed He did 'work' in it, saying that the Sabbath was created for man & not the other way around.

So the Sabbath was a specific day of rest for the Jews. And it could fall on that day as well, or any other day, for non-Jews. The important point was that man took the day off to cease from his labours for both physical & spiritual recuperation. Where this observance becomes a problem for Christians, is the compulsion by some that we too are bound to a Jewish Saturday Sabbath, & by extension, full obedience to the Law, which none could keep. This Law was not a sign to Christians but to the Jew who was under the Law. Hear what Paul says pertaining to the Law & the Christian: Romans 3:19-22; Galatians 3:21-25; Galatians 4:21-26; Galatians 5:16-18.

If the Christian then sets aside Sunday, the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10) as a day of rest & worship, he fulfils the need for both. If he chooses any other day as a rest day, does it matter to the Lord? Colossians 2:16,17. If one believes that the keeping of the Sabbath does matter to the Lord, then he shows a misunderstanding of the Law engraven in stones & the Law of the Life-giving Spirit ( Romans 8:2).

John 14:9; John 1:1,14; Isaiah 10:30; John 8:58; Colossians 2:9; 1 John 5:7.

"This is something I am sure is easy to answer but I just have wondered about it but when Jesus was on the cross why did he say My God My God why have thee forsaken me. I thought maybe that he was in so much pain he did not know what he was saying? Thanks."

One must first understand the Godhead before one can understand how Christ could pray this prayer. The triune Godhead is comprised of three persons who are one monotheistic God. The scriptures reveal these persons are known as the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. This truth is found in numerous verses in the Bible, Gen.1:26; 3:22,Is.48:16, John 1:1-4, 1 Jn 5:7 to name a few.

The next thing a person needs to understand about the Godhead is that it has three attributes that make it unique. These three self-existent attributes are omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience. The Godhead is everywhere present, all-powerful, and all-knowing. The Godhead is perfect and cannot be tempted by sin, as James 1:13 explains. God required a perfect man to approach Him to redeem mankind, and thanks to Adam's fall, that man did not exist. This is why the Word laid down his self-existent attributes in the Godhead to live as the last Adam with is title as God to be tempted by sin and pay the penalty the law required to redeem mankind.

This truth is found in Is.9:6, Hebrews chapters 1 and 2, 1 Timothy 3:16, and other verses.

Colossians 2:9 explains the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Christ bodily. How do we know this is true? Christ was not omnipresent while on the earth. He dwelt in time and space in a single location(Jn1:14). Jesus was asked about the events of the tribulation, and he told his disciples the Father knew the day, not him( Matt. 24:36). Jesus was not omnipotent stating the Father did all the works through Him( Jn 14:10. After Christ rose he took back his self-existent position back in the Godhead to come dwell in all of mankind, which would require self-existent omnipresence. I hope this helps.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Proverbs 8:11-12 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out

Proverbs 3:13 Happy is the man that finds wisdom, and the man that gets understanding.

Proverbs 17:27 He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.

Ecclesiastes 7:1-29 A good name is better than precious ointment;

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; [therefore] get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given

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This is what I know. God is a spirit and a consuming fire. Jesus is fully God and fully man. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ

The Holy Spirit is invisible.

King James Bible

Hebrews 12:29

For our God is a consuming fire.

Deuteronomy 4:24

For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. Three persons: all are one God.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

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Blessings, Mishael

The Father purposes; wills

The Son is the Word of God, speaks it

The Holy Spirit performs the the spoken Word of God

When we speak the Word of God over an issue or condition in our lives; according to the Known Will of God (the Bible, OT and NT); the Holy Spirit moves to accomplish it.

All three are one; not Separated.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

1 John 5:7, John 10:30

Acts 17:27-30

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

They speak amongst themselves.

Write these scriptures on the inside cover of your Bible now. This subject comes up often. The scriptures are plain enough to be understood.

Debates and arguing theologies according to varying opinions cause confusion. Acts 17 should dispel that.

Mishael

Sometimes I wonder if those asking questions are forgetting that the Holy Spirit is the TEACHER of all born again people. You are to cross check everything with Holy Spirit. Learn how to discern Fruit. Bad fruit is stinking doctrine. Be strong enough to say: you are wrong.

Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

2 Timothy 4:3

For the TIME WILL COME when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own LUSTS shall they (you) heap to themselves teachers: having itching ears.

Hebrews 5:12

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Titus 2:3

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them WHICH CAUSE divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID them.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

Galatians 5:22-23

But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Mishael

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

Each scripture demonstrates all 3 persons speaking together: Father, Word, Holy Spirit.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

Theres at least 10 scriptures proving it. If you find more, let me know.

Mishael