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How God decides who are worthy of judgement (whether some primitive soul or those with mental shortcomings, etc), is God's matter, not mine nor yours. If you believe this God of Love is incapable of judging sinners in such a manner, then you would need to consider the operation of God throughout Scriptures - i.e. He is indeed a God of Love but also a God of Justice. We can often be conditioned by the world & what we perceive to be right, to think of such a justice system as normal, as true. Whereas God's Justice always demands the correct penalty - and unfortunately, simply losing one's life in death (which happens to us all) is just one part of that justice. The wages of sin might indeed be death, but the wages for the rejection of God & His offer of salvation are far greater ( Daniel 12:1,2; Matthew 18:7-9; Matthew 25:31-46; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 1:6,7; Revelation 14:9-11; Revelation 20:10-15). And sister GiGi has also given a very apt response to you.
Sorry, it took me a while to study your posts. Scripture is clear; the lake of fire is real and it was prepared for Satan and his angels, Matthew 25:41. Those whose name is not in the book of life will be cast into this lake of fire, the second death, this is the death the saints will be spared. According to scripture we all will be judged and our reward will be given, good or bad according to our works Revelation 22:12. Each of us will have different rewards, some lights will be brighter than others, Daniel 12:2-3 and whether in the lake of fire, the punishments may be also judged accordingly.
My understanding is we do not get a second chance for salvation after this life in this flesh, Hebrews 9:27. We have this, there are evil and good people that live and have lived and those who did not have a chance to hear of the word of God, this may show how they will be judged at the white throne judgment, Romans 2:12-15 (this is my understanding of this), but those who have heard and rejected it, Katy bar the door.
I must humbly disagree, I am not in the lake of fire, we will be judged with fire, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. The Bible has symbolic wording but represents real things, people, kingdoms, etc. I am sorry I can't follow interpreting the scriptures by allegorizing all, I feel we turn all scripture into parables.
RLW
Daniel 12:10
Daniel 12:1 And at that time: (prophecy) the coming ministry of Christ, in the FLESH for forty two months; afterwards the ministry of CHRIST THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT; which has been going on now for two thousand years.
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael: Michael is the MESSENGER (angel) of GOD; CHRIST is the MESSENGER (angel) of GOD. Michael is Christ and Christ is Michael.
Malachi 2:7 For the priest's (Christ is our high priest) lips shall keep knowledge, and they (priest's lips) shall seek the law at his mouth (Christ mouth): for he (Christ) is the MESSENGER (angel) of the Lord.
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel (messenger of the Lord).....
Revelation 12:7 ....Michael (CHRIST, messenger of the Lord) and his angels (ministering Spirits, messengers)......
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael (Christ) stand up, the great prince (Christ) which standeth for the children of thy (God's) people: and there shall be a time of trouble (has been going on now for two thousand years), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (when you can enter into the kingdom of God) thy people shall be delivered (saved from death and the grave), every one (chosen to be a priest) that shall be written (IN CHRIST) in the book (IN the WORD, IN CHRIST).
There is TWO RESURRECTIONS; the resurrection of the saints, both those of the old testament (at Christ resurrection) and those that are born again (that share in Christ resurrection, so they never see death).
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth (all those that died before Christ resurrection and those not chosen in the AGE of grace) shall awake, some to (age of the ages) life (those in the FIRST RESURRECTION), and some to shame and (age of the ages) contempt (SECOND RESURRECTION).
You can NEVER understand the prophecies without understanding there are TWO RESURRECTIONS.
Matthew 24:24, Matthew 24:1-51, Daniel 9:21-27
I also do not believe Matthew 24:15 has yet happened, but we're told to be watchful
Luke 12:1-59, Daniel 11:24-45, note Daniel 11:35, Daniel 12:1-13, Ezekiel 39:11-29,
* 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 the 'great falling away' hasn't happened yet either
Hopefully these are helpful
From the first Adam, all have sinned Romans 5:12. Even without the law we have sinned, there are people in this world that do much evil and there are people in this world that do much good and neither have never seen a bible or heard of Jesus. From the first Adam, not only death was passed, every person is born with the knowledge of good and evil, it is written in our conscience. With or without the knowledge of the law, one may choose to either do evil or do good.
We see in Romans 2:12-15, read the entire chapter. Jesus first came almost 2000 years ago, the Messiah for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then by the grace of God, the gospel of Jesus was given to all the other nations. Millions of people lived and died before He first came, are they doomed to eternal death? Millions since have never heard of Him, are they doomed?
What we should contemplate, will we that have heard the gospel of Jesus be held to a higher standard of judgment? We see when Jesus sent the disciples out to tell people the kingdom of heaven is at hand, what it would be like if they rejected it. Matthew 10:14-15.
Many see the great white throne judgment is only for the lost, but in my understanding, scripture does not support that. We have Daniel 12:2 John 5:28-29 Matthew 25:31-46, and more, and the parables. After the one thousand years, Revelation 20:11-15. All the rest of the dead small and great, raised from the dead, they will be judged out of the books and one of these books is the book of life, and whoever was not found in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. Would the book of life be needed if all were lost? God is a just God and we can trust in His word.
This is my understanding, may others have another view.
God bless,
RLW
While a comforting thought, that repeated phrase doesn't appear that way in the Bible. Paul didn't say that 100% of the time, when 100% of all people die, that instantly you are absent from the body and 100% of the time immediately with the Lord. Paul said he would 'rather' be present with the Lord. That doesn't mean everyone goes to be with the Lord and that doesn't mean that everyone is absent from their body upon death and won't wait for Jesus to return, and won't face any judgment. Matthew 12:36, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. God bless...
8) Prophecy mainly concerns nations as such ( Isaiah 2:4; Ezekiel 37:21-22)
Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":
8) The Mystery Concerns individuals ( Romans 10:12-13; 2 Corinthians 5:14-17)
9) Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, on earth ( Isaiah 2:3-4; Isaiah 11:1-9; etc.)
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9) The Mystery Concerns "all spiritual blessings in The Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 3:1-3)
10) Prophecy concerns Christ's Coming to the earth ( Isaiah 59:20; Zechariah 14:4)
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10) The Mystery Explains Christ's absence from the earth ( Ephesians 1:20-24; Colossians 3:1-3)
11) In prophecy, salvation by Grace through faith alone is not contemplated ( Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 23:1-3; Luke 7:29-30; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; James 2:17)
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11) Salvation "By GRACE Through faith" Alone lies at The Very Heart Of The Mystery! ( Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-9)
12) The proclamation of the prophetic program committed particularly to the twelve ( Matthew 10:5-7; Acts 1:6-8; Acts 3:19-26)
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12) The proclamation of The Mystery program committed particularly to Paul ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Ephesians 3:8-9; Colossians 1:24-27)
13) The prophetic program revealed through many of God's servants Luke 1:70; 2 Peter 1:21)
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13) The Mystery revealed through one man: Paul! ( Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 2:2; Galatians 2:7; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2-3)
14) Old Testament writers frequently did not understand the prophecies made through them ( Daniel 12:8-10; 1 Peter 1:10-12)
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14) Paul Both understood And longed that others might understand The Mystery revealed through him ( Ephesians 1:15-23; Ephesians 3:14-21; Colossians 1:9-10; Colossians 2:1-3)
{borrowed from "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam}
The kind that have CENTER OF EACH PAGE, Reference Columns. There are tiny abc's Within the scriptures on each page; that match to the ones in the center reference column.
They point us forward or backward to other relevant scriptures or prophesies (fulfilled or unfulfilled)
I don't care for the study Bibles that use the bottom of the page, or the sides.
Revelation is using many references to other scriptures. A serious student needs one of these.
I have to have many spiral notebooks to guide me in these referenced scriptures. I title it with what is happening in the Revelation scriptures.
That is how I discovered that God had turned the earth upside down. Which may be the way Genesis began. That's one of those studies that I choose to leave in Gods hands.
If He had wanted us to know what happened 2 Billion years ago; He would have included a book and chapters for it in the Bible. OR.maybe He was waiting on the children in the Book of Daniel; a generation that would be alive during "the Time of the End". Daniel 12:9-10 Wise children.
Daniel 1:17
Children who walk with the Holy Spirit. Able to despise all for to be the Lords servants. You can't love this world that will pass away. Love the God who is going to destroy this world and then restore it. Back to what it was when Adam was put in it.
I doubt mass murderers like Hitler went to the Lord for example. I believe he is waiting to face judgment like everyone else.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says the dead will rise and those living will meet the Lord in the air. Would it make sense for someone to go heaven, then back to earth to rise up, then back again to heaven?
Also, when people die they 'sleep' as it says in. So, they are still with their bodies. If cremated, I still believe souls are just sleeping somewhere awaiting Jesus's return, then the day of judgment that says everyone must face. It doesn't say anyone gets to skip judgment day. God bless.
Daniel 12:2, Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
John 14:1-3
Luke 10:20
Mark 13: 32-37
Revelation 3: 10
Matthew 24: 1-51
Philippians 3:20-21
Romans 8: 18-19
Acts 1: 7-11
Daniel 12: 1-2
1 Corinthians 15: 51-53
1 Thessalonians 4: 1-18
Revelation 12: 1-17
Revelation 19: 1-21
1 John 1: 3:3
Titus 2:13
Matthew 16:27
Colossians 3:2-4
Luke 21: 34-36
James 4:8
Ten Virgins story: Matthew 25
John 3:16
We must be born again at which time Jesus will give to you, The Holy Spirit.
On this website, out on the Red Link Page; BECOME A CHRISTIAN (which means Christ Jesus Follower)
Jesus is not escape insurance. He is the Son of God. He is the only one who can save us. So write that list of verses down on a sheet of paper and read in the Bible of them every day.
FAITHFUL IS HE WHO MADE THESE PROMISES.
[hey yall, don't send emails saying the word rapture is not in the Bible. I know that. It is called: CAUGHT UP or IN THE CLOUDS. Not everyone knows Greek or Hebrew. Thanks,
Mishael
What exactly does this mean? What is the daily sacrifice?
Concerning the twenty minutes of silence in heaven.
I'm sure you know Revelation is the REVEALING of Jesus Christ.
John SIGNIFIED the words in Revelation.
Revelation cannot be understood by using a dictionary to define the words. They have to be understood through the words of God, which are Spirit.
The word HEAVEN in Revelation is SIGNIFIED, it's not defined as the dictionary would define it.
God's throne and place of dwelling is in heaven. SIGNIFIED, this would mean the ELECT are HEAVEN, where SPIRIT DWELLS; CHRIST IN US.
And there was silence (no activity of the Spirit) in HEAVEN (in mankind) for the space of twenty minutes.
Twenty minutes is just SIGNIFIED by TIME only; the amount of time it SIGNIFIES must be found in other parts of God's word.
Daniel 12:11 And from the TIME that the daily sacrifice (of animals) be taken away.....shall be one thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months; Christ ministry in the FLESH).
Daniel 12:12 Blesses is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred forty five days.
After Christ's (who is the Holy Ghost) ministry in the flesh for 42 months; there was SILENCE for 45 days in HEAVEN (in mankind), then PENTECOST (Christ second coming in the form of the Holy Ghost to indwell man and make man ONE WITH THE HOLY GHOST. Christ; CREATED IN US, of the twain to MAKE ONE.
Abomination that maketh desolate.
Your claim:
ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).
Your claim.
The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection. "YOU SAY THAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION "
Well Earl " ENTERTAINING" YOUR LOGIC, The flesh was crucified at the death of Christ. And the Spirit brought life at the resurrection. ( 3 days later )THAT'S NOT THE SAME TIME.
and THAT WHAT MAKETH DESOLATE ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC WOULD BE THE SPIRIT. Since it entered the temple/our bodies after the flesh was crucified. This is your interpretation of Daniel 12:11. You claim it's all spiritual.
Here's further proof why I can't accept your view on this. How do you fit these scriptures into your logic.
Daniel 9:27. And "HE" SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR "ONE WEEK:" and in the midst of the week "HE" shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
And Jesus here:
Matthew 24:15. When ye therefore shall "SEE" the abomination of desolation, SPOKEN of BY DANIEL THE PROPHET, "STAND" in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
How could this be speaking of Christ death and resurrection when Jesus lays out events, warnings and a promise of his coming immediately following in
Mathew 24:16-51.
This is why I say spiritualizing "ALL" the text you can "Attempt to make it say anything.
I know you believe I spiritalize every thing to much, but I believe that's were the real truth lies.
Daniel 12:11 And from the TIME the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).
I agree with you about the FIRST abomination in the temple (all physical).
I BELIEVE, the SECOND time will be in the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE (within us).
The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection.
Isaiah 65:4 (This verse isn't LITERAL; like the first abomination, but a shadow of the second). Which remain among the graves (dead in trespasses), and lodge in monuments (we want to be a god in our flesh), which eat swine's flesh (instead of Christ flesh) (symbolic). and broth of abominable things IS IN their vessels (WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, we are the bowls (pots or vessels) on the alter).
At the end of your comments you said the second abomination that makes desolate would be "LIKE" the first. I don't know whether you were saying the second would also be in a physical temple, or was
like the first, being a shadow.
1 Corinthians 15:46 First the natural, then the spiritual.
Food for thought; the SPIRIT reveals.
I don't see how you can associate "THIS THY DAY" and the days of thy PEACE With Revelation 18.
And In Luke 21 the desolation was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
But that's not the "ABOMINATION" of desolation.
Luke 21:20. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Totally different than what's described here in Daniel , and what Jesus verified in Mathew.
No Image/idol is set up in the temple as described in Revelation 13. This is what Jesus and Daniel is talking about.
Matthew 24:15. When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION of desolation, spoken of by DANIEL the prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Daniel 12:11. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
This will last 1290 days. That's 30 days past the 2nd half of the tribulation. There is no mention of that happening in 70 AD. as described in Daniel 12 as mentioned or here in Daniel 9.
Daniel 9:27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: AND IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, AND FOR THE OVERSPENDING OF ABOMINATIONS HE SHALL MAKE IT DESOLATE, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I leave off there,
I'm sure we will have to agree to disagree. Not interested in a debate.
God bless.
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God bless