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english standard version = changed contradicts truth

john 1-3 english standard version (esv) 1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. 2 he was in the beginning with god. 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

what are the consequences of following false teachers, according to our god/lord jesus?

here is what our lord jesus is saying in the bible

is there danger in rejecting the "trinity doctine"?

the bible has no record whatsoever of any danger rejecting the trinity doctrine. however, the danger lies in "accepting & believing it, because it blasphemes god!

our names will be taken away from the "book of life" believers going to heaven, eternal life with god.

we, you & i go to hell to burn forever

following false teachers - accepting & believing what they preach as the truth & doing it or practicing it - you blasphemed god.



here is what god is saying

revelation 22:18 context 18for i testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, god shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, god shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

deuteronomy 4:2 2ye shall not add unto the word which i command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the lord your god which i command you.

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JUSTIFICATION OF GOD'S USED OF PLURAL PRONOUNS "US & OUR" = HE IS SURROUNDED BY CHERUBIMS AS MESSENGERS

Ezekiel 10:19 Context 19And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 20This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

1.TAKES AWAY FROM = preposition "by"

2.ADDS = preposition "through" and replaced preposition "by"

3.PURPOSE OF THIS CHANGE = justifies there is a Triune God or Trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

4.CHANGE CONTRADICTS THE TRUTH = there is no biblical truth to support the Trinity in the Bible

5.NULLIFIES = these subtle changes nullify the written word of God or truth in the Bible - BLASPHEMES GOD = AN UNPARDONABLE SIN

THIS IS THE TRUTH - TRUE GOSPEL OF GOD

KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE = MOST ACCURATE VERSION

John 1:1-3 KJV 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

THIS IS WHAT THE FALSE TEACHERS HAD DONE TO JUSTIFY THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE - 3 persons in 1 God, (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)

NEW KING JAMES VERSION = CHANGED - CONTRADICTS TRUTH

John 1:1-3 NKJV 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

WHAT THEY DID IS BLASPHEMED GOD - AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN. BY USING FLOWERY WORDS, THEY DECEIVED THEIR FOLLOWERS.

THIS IS THE SMALL CHANGE THAT CHANGED, NULLIFIES THE TRUTH, CHECK YOUR BIBLE. FROM NOW ON, GOD HAS WARNED YOU AND I. CHANGE OR REMAIN DISOBEDIENT TO GOD.

Definition of words or prepositions:

"through" = (KJV Dictionary) by means of, by the agency of. (Mirriam Webster Dictionary) by way of, by means of, by virtue of.

"by" = (KJV Dictionary) as an adverb, by denotes a noun (JESUS) is understood performed the actions.

HERE ARE BIBLE VERSES AS PROOFS

Genesis 1:4 Context 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

TO SUPPORT THE EXISTENCE OF THE TRINITY

1.False Teachers claimed this statement of God proved it using plural pronouns (us & our): Verse 26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"

2.TRUTH EXPOSED "False Teachers" CLAIM = notice used of singular pronoun (he & his)= Verse 27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

JUSTIFICATION OF GOD'S USED OF PLURAL PRONOUNS "US & OUR" = HE IS SURROUNDED BY CHERUBIMS AS MESSENGERS

Ezekiel 10:19 Context 19And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 20This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

1.TAKES AWAY FROM = preposition "by"

2.ADDS = prepo

I am looking for the best way to learn haw to put on the whole armor of God without going through the whole Bible.what pieces of armor and what do they signify shield helmet and the rest

Deuteronomy 18:21,22: "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

This was part of the many instructions & warnings that God gave to Israel through Moses & it was very important for them to be aware of this evil which they would witness in their journeyings & when they finally settled in their allocated territories. God spoke to His people through His leaders, like Moses & also through His prophets. Even till the formation of the Church after Christ's resurrection, there were prophetical utterances & I believe these largely ceased after the Word of God was completed which revealed God's Mind to us, His Church. I don't say that no one now has not the gift of Prophecy, but I've never heard anything resembling it, rather simply an affirmation of what is already declared (this is not prophecy, but preaching or exhortation from the Word).

Yet, prophets abound: the cults all have one as their founder (& their prophets have failed) & even now amongst believers, we will get some prophetical utterance about the future. After the recent U.S elections, these prophets were all busy making great claims of God's speaking directly to them about the future outcome of the elections & other prophecies. I will let you discern of what sort these people were & the claims they made. I don't believe we have anything left to be revealed after the closure of the Scriptures. We can observe world events & see prophecies in the Word being fulfilled, but has there been anything new to come out that even aligns with the revealed Word? I may have missed it, but I don't think so.

So don't be troubled by what you see on TV, etc. There will always be those who will make many claims - search the Word of God to establish yourself.

If you add 2 Corinthians 5:19 ("God was in Christ"), to give further support to 1 John 3:16. Thank you.

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God did send out His Word by the prophets but lastly sent His final message through that same Word ( Hebrews 1:1,2), now clothed in flesh for not just in bringing out God's Word in Person, but for the main purpose, that this Word (of God, from God, as God) would lay down His Life as a full substitutionary payment for our sins.

So here is the difficulty that you have, implying: the Son of God was only that, a special separate creation, holy & sinless, Who would sacrifice His Life in our stead. Yes, He was a special creation, not out of nothing, but from God's very Being. Though the requirement of a spotless Sacrificial Lamb offering would have been met in such a (separate) creation by God, it would lack the most important aspect of such a sacrifice: that God Himself would make the payment for man's sins. This is the true & fullest expression of God's Love ( 1 John 3:16: "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he (God) laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."). God had to come down to the realm of sinful man, taking on his flesh & ultimately becoming the sin offering that gives full pardon to all who come to Him by faith & unequivocal love in response. If God did not take this initiative, or He (in Jesus) failed to rise from the dead, we would remain hopeless, unredeemable, consigned to hell fire for all eternity.

I pray Rob, that you & any other who is at variance to what the Scripture teaches on this important matter, might know that your salvation hangs onto the fact that God had to lay down His Life to redeem you, & that He accomplished that by coming down, sending His Word, in the Person of Jesus Christ, Who then rose again to the Father, to Whom He once prayed: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" ( John 17:5). A very compelling Statement of Truth.

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I think Rob, a dictionary wouldn't be very useful in this matter. So your answer is: "The Holy Spirit is of God". Well, that's correct but to expand on that a little, if I may amplify your thoughts. In great care, I would suggest that you also believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person, i.e. He comes from within the Godhead, sent into the World of sinners to convict & to indwell those who have been born again that they might lead new lives with a new Power within.

That He must be a Person, as shown in many examples: Intelligence ( 1 Corinthians 2:10,11); has feelings ( Ephesians 4:30); has a Will ( 1 Corinthians 12:11); has a Mind ( Romans 8:27); teaches ( John 14:26); guides ( Romans 8:14, John 16:13); commissions ( Acts 13:4); commands ( Acts 8:29); restrains ( Genesis 6:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:7); intercedes ( Romans 8:26); speaks ( John 15:26). Though He may be a spirit as from God, out of God's Being, He is the very Expression & Person of God Himself. I hope you agree to that, or am I putting words in your mind or mouth?

Then we come to God's Word. As seen with the Spirit, the Word of God is unseen, the very Articulation of God in creating, giving commands & direction whether to heavenly hosts, to His people on Earth or through His prophets & in other utterances that we're unaware of. Now there may be other aspects of God's Being that we're not told of, but of the Word & the Spirit, there's no dispute. The difficulty now for some remains with the 'Word'.

If then, God sends out His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes, why is it so hard to comprehend that He sends out His Word to do likewise? Or is that because the Spirit has no flesh, therefore it must hold true that God's Word can only be spirit without flesh? What if God chose to give His Spirit flesh maybe that would make it easier to understand the 'Word' easier.

Hi bro its Rick The word of God states in Ephesians ! : 4 that God new before the foundations of the world we would be born and believe in the same sense God all knowing new He would have to save us from the adversary by Giving the perfect human sacrifice His only begotten son. No where in scripture does it literally say that physically or in any other form Jesus Christ was in the beginning with God, that is a matter of how someones interpreting what is being read . Like I myself have lost count on how many interpretations I've heard or read on one verse of scripture. Just keep one thing in mind either the whole word is perfect and fits with life or something is lost in interpretations. The great reason for denominations is that men have decided what they believe it says, the apostle paul one of the greatest men of God that ever lived made this statement 2 Timothy 1:15 all of Asia turned away from what God told him to teach that was about 80 years after pentecost, and this Guy was given to write the seven church epistles and in Ephesians 4:4 There is one body one spirit and one hope and one lord and one Father, I did'nt write the book, since thats supposed to be the case you explain to me what happened other then one man saying this is what I think and another man saying the same. I'll stick paul in Galatians one six -twelve I'll stick with paul and The Gospel that God Gave Him, also he was so important thatJesus Christ appeared to Him.

Brother Rob,

There is no need to get sharp. We are just trying to understand why you say believing Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one with God the Father is "damning". No one is saying Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are not OF God. We are saying they are more OF God than anything else in all of creation. Nothing is more OF God than Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. It is confusing why you think it is "damning" to believe God is in them, or they in God, more than anything else.

Please don't think anyone is trying to take anything away from God the Father. Who is of coarse Spirit and the source of all things.

Also you didn't answer the one question I asked about if you believe Christ existed before He was born on earth. Just a yes or no question. You just asked me if "I understand God was before the creation of world". Which you must not have read John 17:5 I posted for you that answers that question. Jesus stating the glory He had WITH THE FATHER before the world was.

God Bless.

I have nothing to do with the RCC doctrine, in Jesus teachings (KJV) he tells us to believe as little children and so I do believe when I read my bible, I don't understand a lot of it, such as how could Jesus raise someone from the dead, but I know he raised Lazarus, John 11:43, or how could he walk on water as in Matthew 14:25, but I know he did, and many more. Nowhere in the bible does it teach us that we need to understand, but only believe, believe as little children, when you see the trust and faith that a child has in their parent this is what Jesus teaches, only in the cross and his saving grace. the thief that was saved on the cross, he didn't have time to read up on scripture but only believe, and so on. I watch Billy Graham episodes on y tube, on a regular basis, and in one of his sermons he describes the trinity as in water, in water you have, liquid, ice and steam, they are all have the same components, but are different in form. So also as in 1 John 5:7 "the Father, Word and Holy Ghost and these three are one", neither do I understand this, but I know it's true.

Mark 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein."

Try a dictionary . God Is one creator of all .

The Holy Spirit is OF God who did you think he is of ? Is there another option?

Hi Rob, I'd you truly believe we're blind and you're not, and you say we will never see it until we're saved, Why are you giving us all your time on the trinity doctrine that can't help us, Spend your time on teaching/Preaching the Gospel that open eyes and save lives, Isn't that's what you're called to do?

The answer to your question is there in Genesis 1:3: "And God SAID". Out of God, came forth His WORD in speech, to create Light. The question is: how does this WORD fit into the Being of God? Is the WORD a part of God as His Spirit is? Or do you see some differentiation? I see that God, His Word & His Spirit are infused as One, indivisible & completely of Spirit Being (not of flesh). Therefore, if that Word, which was from the beginning, with God & was God ( Jn 1:1), was specially sent to this World clothed with flesh to bring God's Word to His people & ultimately to lay down His Life for them & us, then Who are we speaking about?

So to specifically answer your question: "Who spoke it God or Jesus?" It was God through Jesus, the pre-incarnate Word of God - the Word uttered by God. Then when Jesus, God's Word, came to this Earth, God no longer spoke to His people as He did before, but now "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he MADE the worlds" ( Hebrews 1:2). Made the worlds? Yes, His Word that was uttered in Genesis 1 was engaged in God's creative Work ( Colossians 1:15-17).

And No, this is not RCC doctrine - we hold fully to the Bible, to apostolic teaching & the beliefs held by the early Church.

Thank you Rob. I'm not sure you understand my question. Who or what is God's Holy Spirit in your understanding?

Just to add: I liken the 'cloven tongues as of fire' that descended on the apostles as a witness to those around of this first instance of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon men. This was similar to the descent of the Holy Spirit on Jesus at the time of John's baptism in the form of a dove ( John 1:32), as a witness to John & those around. However, at Pentecost, there was a double witness, in that it was not only a visible sight of the Spirit's anointing, but a verbal witness as the Spirit gave them utterance to speak unlearned languages.

But bear in mind that the fire & the dove that describes the Spirit's anointing should not be seen as actual fire or an actual dove, but merely a description of God's presentation to people there. In fact, a dove could not be used by God, as that would depict God in animal form, which amounts to idolatry & breaking of the second commandment.

Alex, no solomon doesn't mean comforter it means peaceful. and God didn't tell Moses his name was Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Moses asked him and he said I Am that I Am.. I think you're trying to hard to give the Holyspirit a future birthday, you're answering multiple questions that has no connection with one another with the same quote. I'm beginning to believe you're copying and pasting these answers desperately to push your views. This site should be about virtue and spiritual growth, not a personal agenda, atleast try helping someone by answering one of there questions and show you care.

The Bible gives us the way of decerning spirits . Found in the epistles of John . It's determined by knowing who precisely Jesus is . Otherwise it's the wrong Jesus and of the spirit of anti christ , this makes no sense to an anti christ because they can not see their error . It's for the true believers. The blind will always be blind . I marvel at how blind many are . I can't open their eyes to see until they are born again . The whole trinity doctrine is a man made version that really does not work . But for the blind they think so . It's just pagan to me . And of the spirit of anti christ when tested by real decernment .

Gods Holy Spirit .

I do not consider the trinity doctrine Christian , but a RCC doctrine that developed 300 plus years after the real church began . I have heard all of it and never was convinced when careful study of the word is gone . You may claim to be RRC if you like . But to me the doctrine is damning . And not Christian .

So when the Bible says in Genesis God said let there be light and there was light .

Who spoke it God or Jesus ?

The answer is so obvious.

The cloven tongues like as a fire is a special work of God at his discretion which means that every time someone gets born again does not mean their going to see cloven tongues but it is available for any believer to speak in tongues which is why the apostle paul said he spoke in tongues more than the entire corinthian church. Another example of phenomenon is moses and the burning bush. Gideon and the dew on the ram moses rod turning into a snake, the prepose being to get attention to help the person believe.

can you describe what the bible means when the disciples were filled with the Holy Ghost like cloven of fire set upon there shoulders? Acts 2:3

Thanks Chris, That is the simplest way to get to the source of this debate I've heard. I think we also with our finite minds we look at the word son and we associate it with what we know in relationship to that word whether biologically or adoption in view of rank, but in the spiritual we have limited knowledge and full understanding of words and quotes like manifested, "In the fathers bosom" "I the beginning was the word" now if you associate that with Alfa and Omega you know that he has no beginning. "Me and my father are one" "Thought it not robbery to be equal with God" " You seen me you've seen the father " many many other Quotes. and these are by the Author of the inspired scripture not the reader. How do you debate and quarrel with the reader. Its funny how both views have no problem accepting the Holyspirit as a devine being just by one word. "HE" but quarrel over the volume of the book expressing the diety of Chist. The answer to the question doesn't bring you salvation.

Comments by Alex about Isaiah 11 Isaiah said there shall come a rod outta of the stem of Jesse which was David the Son and a branch shall grow out of his roots which was Solomon the Granson .And God wd not let David the son build that great temple He wd only let Solomon the Granson build the Temple And Solomon means Comforter as the H.G is the Comforter that is gona make our bodies his Temple as the scripture says our bodies are the temple of the H.G. Thus a greater then Solomon is here which is the H.G. the Comforter. And thus we see the Trinity as a Kingdom where the great king is the Granson the H.G THE COMFORTER A GREATER THEN Solomon that is gonna build a temple in Our hearts. Behold the Kingdom of God is with in you. k

Do you understand that God was before the creation of the world ? If you do then you would understand how the son of God Jesus has a special relationship.

You do not appear to understand . But that's why indoctrination is so bad people are mislead in the very basics .

Yes Jesus is the Son of God . No one ever could make this claim and God himself verified this . No further discussion needed . God was before the creation of the world , pretty simple .

I also believe Jesus Christ and God the Father to be two. Although one in each other. I do not see it ridiculous to say that. As Jesus Christ was born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. He is part God and part man like no other. No one comes to the Father but by Him. As I'm sure you know.

You can never be one with your wife as Christ is one with God. That is totally different. As Christ stating the words he spake are not of Himself but of the Father that dwelleth in Him. John 14:10 A husband and wife is not like that.

I'm not sure what you believe? Do you believe Jesus Christ was with God before the world was? As in:

John the baptist stating the Messiah existed before him John 1:15

The Word becoming flesh and dwelling among us as the only begotten of the Father John 1:14

Jesus stating "before Abraham was I am" John 8:58

Jesus stating the glory He had with the Father before the world was John 17:5

To Rob & Randy. Leaving aside Jesus the Son of God, as this is primarily where the problem of the 'Trinity' surfaces. How do you dear brothers, view the Person of the Holy Spirit? Who is He? Is He a separate God? Or a Force/Power of God? Or maybe One come out from God?

Why I ask this, is because your answer to this also defines who Jesus is, then & now. Thank you.

The word 'heart' is a strange word. As you know, we have it in normal English usage & we find it in the Bible as well. There's no specific meaning one can give to it; the best I can do, is to say that the word 'heart' is used when we want to describe someone's innermost being, expressed in the mind, the emotions or in spiritual matters. Just as one's soul & spirit are defined in the Bible & these are the immaterial parts of us, so to our 'heart' is immaterial & probably serves to describe the activity of soul and/or spirit.

The Bible is replete with references to the 'heart': Genesis 6:5,6; Genesis 17:17; Genesis 45:26; Jeremiah 17:9 are just a few examples of the ways that 'heart' is used in the Bible. So when I wrote, "fully convinced in our hearts", my thoughts were on the combination of our mental & emotional aspects, whereby we must firmly believe in mind & display of emotional strength, as we stand against any that should come against us.

As a sideline, the Bible also uses the word 'bowels'. This can refer to our bodily insides ( Genesis 15:4) but also refer to what we denote to the heart, except using the older English expression. So we have Genesis 43:30, Philemon 1:7 as a couple of examples of that. I trust you can see the use of the word 'heart' (& bowels) in Scripture.

If you honor the Son you honor the father , if you do not honor the Son you do not honor the father .

If you make the Son to be more or less than the testimony of the father and the Son .

Then they are dishonored , because their testimony is not believed .

You can be one with your wife too , but there still is two of you .

To say Jesus and God are one is beyond ridiculous , they are two . Yes Jesus is one in spirit and is as God is . Totally a different thing .

Jesus prayed that his followers would be one as he and the father are in gospel of John , so does that expand the trinity ? Ridiculous.