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I take it to heart for the Lord said it is so, and if any thinks that he/she can get in heaven any other way then he/she is a fool. But I still love all as my lord Jesus does. Amen.

@Walt,
You say: “…gentiles were excluded from Moses covenant until the cross … The four gospels should be part of the Old Testament.” Let’s “zoom out” of Ephesians 2, and take a look at the whole Bible from “an eagle’s eye view”. The plan of salvation did not begin with the Jews; it was conceived before the foundation of the world 1 Peter 1:19. First, it was revealed to Adam and Eve after the fall Genesis 3:15. Then Enoch, Noah and Job preached it. Melchizedek, serving as the priest of the Most High preached it. And finally it was promised to Abraham, in whose seed all the nations would be blessed. The plan of salvation has different stages: It began in the Garden of Eden, continued until the Flood, then after the Flood with Noah and his family until Abraham. The Jewish Nation followed. God’s prophets continued to preach until Christ came, and He continued to preach “the Kingdom of God” until His ascension. After that, the Apostles followed including Paul. The plan of salvation included the whole world from the beginning. Though the shortest, the “Jewish period” period was the most important. But The Gospel of the Kingdom of God was the same from the beginning to “the end”, having at the center Jesus Christ, The Savior of the world. This is what Jesus was trying to explain to His people, when they wanted to kill Him: “Search the scriptures (the Old Testament); for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me” John 5:39. On the road to Emmaus, “beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself” Luke 24: 27. Conclusion: You can’t separate The Old from The New Testament. It is just one message, one plan of salvation, one Christ.

All true believers who have a spiritual encounter in CHRIST with the Holy Spirit and born again are in the God`s family. The Holy Spirit knits all believers together so that they corporately become a living and holy temple. We are joined to CHRIST by HIS SPIRIT.Spiritually we are birthed through the Holy Spirit and biologically through our genes, we have a natural family.

EPHESIANS 2:10: it says we are created in THEIR image, Therefore, this includes THEIR, likewise...also, likeness. Predestined and ordained to His workmanship that 'furthers' the Word, be Fruitful [Fruit of THE HOLY SPIRIT] and MULTIPLY [stretching OUR SPIRITUAL MUSCLES, BELIEVING GOD CAN DO MUCH WITH OUR FAITH, SMALL AS A MUSTARD SEED IF SO, EXCEEDINGLY ABUNDANTLY ABOVE ALL WE CAN ASK OR 'THINK', solid faith in our ordained created hearts.... as in the BEGINNING, in GENESIS 1, you see the great miracles only God can produce. As our perfect example, through “GOOD WORKS” like HIS Son did, Yahshua Messiah, on earth. We have an inherited ordination, pre-destine future, pre-approved priesthood, pre-Ascribed Alleluia Alpha doctorate to operate through His AL 'READY' Resurrected ANOINTED Name and Blood shed for us. When Jesus asked for the CUP to be removed, the weight of our sins wore on HIM to the point in prayer HE sweated blood. Yet, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE THROUGH ALL THAT SUFFERED, A SINLESS SACRIFICIAL LAMB OF GOD, JESUS, PRESSED AND 'ADDED' yet NOT My will but THY WILL BE DONE. Simple faith is greater works when we act in accordance to God’s Ordinance. We have a sop TO MULTIPLY, BE FRUITFUL, BE WISE, DO GOOD, BE WILLING, BE OBEDIENT, HAVE FAITH, BELIEVE, TRUST AND SOW LOVE AS JESUS WAS SOWN INTO US, ENGRAVED AND ENGRAPHED, ENABLED TO DO EVEN MORE AS JESUS PROPHESIED, GREATER WORKS WE SHALL DO AND STATED TO PETER, UPON 'THIS ROCK' THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NEVER PREVAIL. We no longer live but it is Christ WHO secures us and now resides in our hearts, minds, spirit and soul, even unto the marrow of our bones setting a flame the fire even into our very CORE wells, LIVING WATER being OUR DAILY INTAKE AND SUBSTANCE. WE SHALL NEVER DIE OF THIRST AS LONG AS WE DRINK THOSE HOLY GOLDEN INHERITED SPIRITUAL MULTIPLE FACETED YUMMY 'OH TASTE AND SEE DIOLICIOUS NUGGETS! Scriptures satisfidelis, SABBATHICALLY AND BEYOND! GOD BLESS You all!

@ Tom Allen,
On verse 7:
1. Please read verse 5 and you will see that only an individual person can be born again, because Jesus Christ died on the cross for those who have souls, only a person can be born of water (Women's wound) and born of the spirit ( Ephesians 2:1);
2. A nation can have revivals if enough souls ( 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 13:17) get saved;
3. Ye is in reference to all men, not a nation ( 2 Peter 3:9).

I would like to say how much I loved Ephesians 2:18. It really talked to my heart, saying through him we both have access by one spirit unto the Father. Just k to think our big heavenly Father, God's holy spirit lives in us. God bless all.

@Myia Sanders,
On verse 24:
1. I am a little concerned about the way you stated your comment on verse 24;
2. It is a wakeup call, but we do not get to heaven by finishing our work here on earth;
3. Before the cross that's how it was done and after the rapture of the church that's the way it will be. But now in this age of grace, and we simply trust Jesus Christ as our saviour ( Ephesians 2:8,9);
4. At present time, we do good works because we are saved ( Ephesians 2:10), we do not do good works to get saved ( Titus 3:4,5 and Romans 10).

@Clints,
The topic is literal Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ is for the forgiveness/redemption of sin for Israel nation/Jews. Psalms 130:7,8, Israel nation/Jews is prophesied that their sin is forgiven. And the fulfillment of the said prophesy in Psalm 130:7,8 is in Hebrew 7:15. That by means of death is for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament. Talking about the word death there is a blood to be shed. And in addition also in Ephesians 2:11-14, Gentile people in the past or in the Old Testament were without Christ, No hope and without God in the world. But for the blood of Jesus Christ, Gentile people are made near, also the wall of partition between the Jews and Gentiles hath broken down. Now, in the time of our Lord Jesus Christ, Jews and Gentiles were the same and no more discrimination. It seems you are missing the topic, so may I ask you:
1. Gentile people where did they commit sins in the Old Testament or in a New Testament? If your answer is in the New Testament, please give the verses;
2. Where is your verse in the bible that through the blood of Jesus Christ Gentiles are also forgiven?

@ St Daniels,
This individual is correct in that we must be born again to receive the truth of understanding and wisdom of God's holy word ( John 3:3-5; 4:24).
1. The bible is written for believers after they have been regenerated;
2. But one does not stay saved by their works of goodness (righteousness);
3. We are saved by the faith of Jesus Christ ( Hebrews 12:2), all we do is ask for it ( Romans 10:10-13). It is his (Jesus) faith that saves us and keeps us saved ( Hebrews 12:2);
4. Anyone that believes you can lose your salvation after being born again, does not comprehend the meaning of being born again ( Colossians 2:9-13);
5. Jesus is eternal and when you receive him as lord and savior, your become eternal (new nature II Corinthians 5:17). Your flesh is still able to sin, but the new seed you have received does not sin ( I John 3:9). Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God ( John 6:63; I Corinthians 15:50). A new baby is born with a live body, live soul, and a dead spirit. When a person is born again they now have a living soul, a living spirit, and a dead body. There is a trade off at the moment of salvation ( Ephesians 2:1-10).

God's wisdom has Fatherly instructions, corrections, admonitions, information and guidance in them. As a matter of divine fact, His Wisdom originates from a heart of love, mercy, and compassion that are beyond human comprehension. Therefore, they are meant to stir you and I, as it were, into the favours and strength of God. And because God is God, and there is none compared to Him, it means that He can't lie. Hence, it is worthwhile and wise to give concentrated attention to His Word. God's Word is His Wisdom and His wisdom are His dictates, and they are meant for the good of whoever believes ( 2 Corinthians 12:9; Hebrews 4:16). Truthfully speaking, the fact that God does not do evil, but that He only does what is good and right, should encourage whoever cares to listen, to plunge into His truths, and also into His wisdom- and that must be through Jesus Christ, and also through the Holy Spirit, the Eternal Spirit ( 1 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Corinthians 3:5). The nuggets of truths, in this Proverbs 4, like others, are godlike precepts and instructions that are incomparable, good and right for the human soul, and for the spirit man, the hidden man of the heart, - and that mainly refers to the recreated human spirit. They are facets of biblical truths that are encouraging and also excellent for the godly type of life that many are craving and thirsting for ( Psalms 1:1-3, Psalms 37:4; Ephesians 1:17). Interestingly, depending perhaps on what background, a Christian comes from, the fact is that for the really genuine and committed type of Christian, a time will or must come that he will come into the knowledge that this God of Israel, the Father of our LORD Jesus Christ deserves to be magnified, glorified and worshipped; for there is none like Him ( John 4:23; 1 Peter 1:25). Thus, the place of wisdom, in the lives of whoever desires and dares to love and honour the Living God ( John 1:12; 3:16). He is, all that matters- and when you and I key into His love and faithfulness, He will do great wonders through us to the glory of His name. In view of these and many other things vis a vis the Word of God, wisdom dictates that we give ourselves committedly unto the LORD, and to His Word ( Matthew 6:33,34). There are challenges upon challenges that confront us, as individuals, and that is why, these truths and instructions, as contained in Proverbs, and throughout the pages of the Holy Writ, demand that we be faithfully committed to them. Remember, we have been accepted, into the family of the Beloved, and that refers to Jesus Christ ( John 17:3; Romans 8: 15; Ephesians 2:18; Galatians 4:16,1; Hebrews 9:14; 1 John 4:3; 5:13). And that is where the grace of God comes on board; His grace is more than sufficient ( 1 Corinthians 15:10; 2 Corinthians 3:5; 2 Corinthians 12:9). God has abilities no matter what task or assignment He has called you and I for. When you commit yourself to God's dictates and function in line with them, Angels will go on assignment for you ( John 15:7; James 4:16.). There are levels and degrees of encounters with God, that we can't get into except through daily obedience and practical submission to the Word of God. In fact there is nothing, as far as I know that can surpass what God has given. He has given Jesus Christ, who is referred to biblically, as the Wisdom of God, - and that is for the salvation and redemption of humanity. And when you belong to Him through the agency of the new birth, you automatically become joint heirs with Him. And with that you are sorted if you know how to walk or function in love, and then take advantage of what He has given through Christ Jesus, the Saviour of the World. The essence of these is that we should give attention to wisdom, embrace it, reflect upon it, and practice it. God's instructions and precepts demands heartfelt obedience ( Psalm 119:6; John 14:15; John 15:120; 1 Corinthians 7:19; 1 Peter 1:25; 1 John 5:3). It says whatever you do in word and deed, do it heartily as unto the LORD. Hence, in the things of the Spirit, and that refers to the Holy Spirit, high level of commitment should be the norm, and that is because God cannot lie, - and His Word is forever infallible ( John 1:1-14; Hebrews 4). Truly, God is forever trustworthy.

I think that is the condition now, of all unbeliever
Jews or Gentiles.

I really enjoy reading this, it really helps me.

Read Frenz's Comment on Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, 13, Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, John 3:3 Acts 4:12, Acts 16:16-40 (v31).

I really enjoyed Ephesians 2 verse 8 how wonderful it is to get a gift and by faith I am saved. And anyone who asks Jesus in his/her heart, it’s the best gift God gave use his Son JESUS.

I believe charity is a bad interpretation and that love is correct but also misinterpreted as works why john 14:21 Jesus says He that has my commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me and he that loveth me shall be loved of my father and I will love him . the person who has love keeps his commandments.. John 15:9-10 As the Father has loved me so have I loved you continue ye in my love if you keep my commandments you shall abide in my love as I have kept my fathers commandments and abide in his love .....1 John3:23 And this is his commandment that we should believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ ....And love one another as he gave commandment all religions can have charity but they can not have love because they deny that Jesus is the SON OF GOD. As the Word of God HE gives you the Fathers Commandment then he gives you his commandment to love one another thinking that good works are what were talking about is wrong also Matthew 7:21 Not every one that says onto me Lord Lord shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven John6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me that all that seeth the Son and believeth on him may have everlasting life and I will raise him up again at the last day...in that day many will say onto me Lord Lord have we not prophisized in thy name cast out demons in thy name and in thy name done many wonderfull works Romans 4:5-6 Now to him that worketh is the reward not recond of grace but of debt But to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justfieth the ungodly his faith is counted for rightsness Ephesians 2:8-9 for by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast then Jesus says to them depart from me ye workers of iniguity I never Knew you 1John2:3 hereby we do know that we know him if we keep his Commandments 1John3:23

There is a penalty for sin. You cannot save yourself. Ephesians 2:8-9 says it is by Grace (unmerited favor), getting what we don't deserve, a free gift of eternal life. All you have to do is take it.

Annette asked "Are we His masterpiece". YES in Christ Jesus we are. What blows me away is the fact that Almighty God did not consider His Son too good for us !!!!!

wrong! it is saying that gentiles were excluded from Moses covenent until the cross (CHRIST) but now are grafted into the BODY OF CHRIST by GRACE ALONE. Mt,Mk, Luke & Jn were CHRIST'S ministry to the Jews only."I am come only to the house of Israel" "Go not to the gentiles or samaritans but to the Jews only" The four gospels should be part of the old testament. CHRIST sent Paul & his Gospel to minister to the gentiles (&jews) with the new covenent who were to be one in THE BODY OF CHRIST. Eph 2:14-19. hense---no anti-semitism!

the will of the god is truly a god behavior in this short span of our life.actually that is the plane that he created us.

Not by works but by the grace of God alone we are saved

How Many Are Sealed?
10 Jesus said to those in line for this sealing: “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.” ( Luke 12:32) Other scriptures, such as Revelation 6:11 and Romans 11:25, indicate that the number of this little flock is indeed limited and, in fact, predetermined. John’s next words confirm this: “And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed; out of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed.”— Revelation 7:4-8.
11 Could this not be a reference to literal, fleshly Israel? No, for Revelation 7:4-8 diverges from the usual tribal listing. ( Numbers 1:17, 47) Obviously, the listing here is not for the purpose of identifying fleshly Jews by their tribes but to show a similar organizational structure for spiritual Israel. This is balanced. There are to be exactly 144,000 members of this new nation—12,000 from each of 12 tribes. No tribe in this Israel of God is exclusively royal or priestly. The whole nation is to rule as kings, and the whole nation is to serve as priests.— Galatians 6:16; Revelation 20:4, 6.
12 Although the natural Jews and Jewish proselytes were given the first opportunity to be chosen for spiritual Israel, only a minority of that nation responded. Jehovah therefore extended the invitation to the Gentiles. ( John 1:10-13; Acts 2:4, 7-11; Romans 11:7) As in the case of the Ephesians, who previously had been “alienated from the state of Israel,” now non-Jews could be sealed with God’s spirit and become part of the congregation of anointed Christians. ( Ephesians 2:11-13; 3:5, 6; Acts 15:14) It is appropriate, then, for the 24 elders to sing before the Lamb: “With your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”— Revelation 5:9, 10.
13 The Christian congregation is “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.” (1 Peter 2:9) Replacing natural Israel as God’s nation, it becomes a new Israel that is “really ‘Israel.’” ( Romans 9:6-8; Matthew 21:43) For this reason, it was quite proper for Jesus’ half brother James to address his pastoral letter “to the twelve tribes that are scattered about,” that is, to the worldwide congregation of anointed Christians that in time would number 144,000.— James 1:1.

Well Linda why don't we findout and see what Gods word has to say. And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.” ( Revelation 14:1) As we have seen, this Lamb is the same as the Michael who cleansed the heavens by casting out the Devil and his demons. He is the Michael whom Daniel describes as “standing in behalf of the sons of [God’s] people” as he prepares to “stand up” in executing Jehovah’s righteous judgments. ( Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7, 9) Since 1914 this self-sacrificing Lamb of God has been standing on Mount Zion as the Messianic King.
3 It is just as Jehovah foretold: “I, even I, have installed my king upon Zion, my holy mountain.” ( Psalm 2:6; 110:2) This no longer refers to the earthly Mount Zion, the geographical location of earthly Jerusalem, in which city human kings in the line of David used to reign. (1 Chronicles 11:4-7; 2 Chronicles 5:2) No, for Jesus, after his death and resurrection in 33 C.E., was installed as a foundation cornerstone on the heavenly Mount Zion, the celestial location where Jehovah determined to place the “city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem.” Hence, “the Mount Zion” here represents the exalted position of Jesus and his joint heirs, who make up heavenly Jerusalem, which is the Kingdom. ( Hebrews 12:22, 28; Ephesians 3:6) It is the glorious royal situation to which Jehovah elevates them during the Lord’s day. Over the centuries, anointed Christians, as “living stones,” have earnestly looked forward to standing on that heavenly Mount Zion, united with the glorified Lord Jesus Christ in his majestic Kingdom.—1 Peter 2:4-6; Luke 22:28-30; John 14:2, 3.
4 John sees not only Jesus but the complete body of the 144,000 fellow heirs of the heavenly Kingdom standing upon the Mount Zion. At the time represented by the vision, many, but not all, of the 144,000 are already in heaven. Later in the same vision, John learns that some of the holy ones still have to endure and die faithful. ( Revelation 14:12, 13) Evidently, then, some of the 144,000 are still on earth. So how is it that John sees all of them standing with Jesus on Mount Zion? In that, as members of the congregation of anointed Christians, these have now “approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem.” ( Hebrews 12:22) Like Paul when he was still on earth, they have already—in a spiritual sense—been raised up to be in union with Christ Jesus in heavenly places. ( Ephesians 2:5, 6) Additionally, in 1919 they responded to the invitation, “Come on up here,” and in a figurative way “went up into heaven in the cloud.” ( Revelation 11:12) In view of these scriptures, we can see that all the 144,000—spiritually speaking—are located on Mount Zion with Jesus Christ.
The 144,000 have no part with the worshippers of the wild beast, who are marked with the symbolic number 666. ( Revelation 13:15-18) In contrast, these loyal ones have the name of God and of the Lamb written on their foreheads. No doubt John, a Jew, saw God’s name in Hebrew lettering, יהוה. In having the name of Jesus’ Father symbolically written on their foreheads, these sealed ones make known to all that they are Jehovah’s witnesses, His slaves. ( Revelation 3:12) Their having Jesus’ name also displayed on their foreheads indicates that they acknowledge being owned by him. He is their betrothed “husband,” and they are his prospective “bride,” “a new creation” serving God with heavenly life in view. ( Ephesians 5:22-24; Revelation 21:2, 9; 2 Corinthians 5:17) Their intimate relationship with Jehovah and Jesus Christ affects all their thoughts and actions.Thats the best I could do, and the rest up to you, weather you except this conclusion or not.

both jew and non jew can be part of God people.But it takes faith to get that sonship.

please remember that that Paul by the Holy Spirit is warning Beleivers that the Gospel of the Grace of Christ is being PERVERTED and that they are being REMOVED from the truth in Christ. This accursing is directed at the PROPOGATION of ERROR and perversion. Salvation is by Grace thru Faith alone NOT of Worke lest any man should boast. Examine the many warnings in this book of LAW (works) vs GRACE. see ch 2:16-20 3:1-5 etc. It is essential to remember that Paul taught a MYSTERY (secret) that was never before revealed to man in the scriptures.( Gal 1:11-12) ( Rom 16:25) ( Eph 3:1-11) ( Col 1:24-28) The Gospel which Paul taught us is NOT the same Gospel that Peter and the 12 taught, thus the conflict. see Acts ch 15 of the great council and compare with Gal ch 2:1-14.. there are 2 different gospels shown in each passage KINGDOM and Grace. see ephesians 2:11-18. we are not spitiual Israel but the Body of Christ. Not Blessed with a kingdom on earth BUT Blessed with Spiritual Blessings in the Heavenlies( Eph 1:1-3). At the Rapture of the Church we are called to our heavenly home which is what God intended to be our destination else how does he fix the damage in the heaven( I cor 2:6-8). remember SIN has stained the heavenly places as well as the earth. God created the Heaven and the earth for his dwelling place. Satan stained heaven and earth with his revolt and sin. therfore God must heal both. Israel's Kingdom with Christ on earth and the Body of Christ in the heavenly places with Christ as our head. Thus the warnings of Galatians to NOT compromise on the DOCTRINE of THE GRACE OF CHRIST to another gospel.

I love the book and all the commentary. GOD BLESS everyone who makes this great study possible. Charlie

Being a trespasser of the will of God alienates you; and separates you from the life that's here after! Threw disobedience releases us over to sin, for God being rich in mercy gives us another chance to prove the good and perfect will of God! He shows us his love by sending His son as a ransom to reconcile and return us again. Grace was provended, so can you live by the spirit? Absolutely! Don't let the carnal things deny you from the truth; nothing can amount to the love of God... From the mediation of the word keep you and may the spirit in-power you God bless you!

Being a trespasser of the will of God alienates you; and separates you from the life that's here after! Threw disobedience releases us over to sin, for God being rich in mercy gives us another chance to prove the good and perfect will of God! He shows us his love by sending His son as a ransom to reconcile and return us again. Grace was provended, so can you live by the spirit? Absolutely! Don't let the carnal things deny you from the truth; nothing can amount to the love of God... From the mediation of the word keep and may the spirit in-power you God bless you!

John 6:44 is a key to the statement coming from our Lord Jesus Christ about his Father, and would be that contex of the verse. I also believe that in Ephesians 2:4-10.

the bible tells us that people perish for a lack of knowledge, the beginning of knowledge is the fear of the Lord. the scriptures clearly state that those who believe on Jesus is saved. ( Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no man should boast. we live righteously because we are delivered from sin, it has no hold on us, therefore we can be spotless and must remain so. the only work God requires of us is to spread the gospel, the good news that Jesus is the savior of the world because he died and rose again for our sins. the blood of goats etc was not sufficient. living righteous is not works.

God,in His mercy, has sent unto us who are alive his prophets for the purpose of enlightening the human person with his Holy Spirit of truth, has he not? The Bible is their journal for us to study, consider and rightly divide the word of truth, thru fellowship, good works, right living, obedience to His will, deep reflection within ourselves discerning the structures of the Spirit who abides within, or in the midst of this body, and your body, who must contend with other spirits for dominion. May God grant us His peace!