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What is different between inspiration and revelation with Bible reference

I think most males now days are circumcised when they are born. If I am circumcised, does that make me a Jew? I'm not as far as I know.

Alex I am with Karl on this. We should strive for perfection ROM 6:12 Let not sin reign in your mortal bodies. Strive to enter in at the strait gate Luke 13:24 . Christians should be a reflection of Christ and be Christ like.

Please pray for the revelation of who the 'Jews' are and who 'YAH' is speaking to. One note to share is that there were 'many nations' already on the earth when 'YAH' gave his covenant to Abraham. He only was speaking to 'HIS' seed. Gentiles were not part of this promise and were later 'grafted' in because of the sins of Judah. Please do not confuse the readers by bringing your opinions.

Cheryl, Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Karl the Ultimate PERFECTION cd only come via the Blood of Christ,the NEW covenant. Men from the O.T. acheived a TYPE OF perfection by FLESHLY Circumcision a type of the CIRCUMCISION THAT CAN ONLY COME VIA THE SWORD OF CHRIST. The ultimate PERFECTION CD ONLY COME VIA THAT 2 ND COVENANT. BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD THAT TAKETH AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD.TO WHOM THE WORD CAME IT MADE THEM GODS PERFECTION

Genesis 17:1 - Almighty God, Yahweh (YHWH) commands Abram (Abraham) to walk before
him and to be PERFECT in the Old Testament. In Matthew 5:48 Christ says " be ye PERFECT
as your Father which is in Heaven is Perfect". Here we have clear, irrefutable evidence that despite what many people say and teach about no one can be perfect, we find out from the
word of God that we can in fact achieve it.

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly*; neither is that circumcision, which is outward* in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly*; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

ALL PRAISES TO THE MOST HIGH!
It said he will be THE FATHER of many nations, NOT all nations; Gen 17:4.
Bless You!

If Abraham be the father of all nations why aren't we all Jews ?

Verse 17~From a human standpoint Abraham and Sarah having a child in their old age was laughable, but with Jehovah God all things are possible.

I would like to know in Genesis chapter 17 verse 12 had to be bought with money if a stranger to be circumcised

Genesis 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. Israel will have a new covenant , that will be in there New Heart written so they don't forget. That is God's promise for Israel, the Kingdom of Heaven.

after reading this chapter I know GOD will work it out,not when we want it to happen IT WHEN GOD wants to,We wants it our way, Thank you Lord.

My point of view on this scripture is that God kept his promise to Abraham even after he went and sinned with Hagar. Now I know that Sarah influence Abraham to go and make a child with her because she could not see how God was going to do it considering her situation and her age. This reminds me of myself and how were compare ourselves to our parents because we think that how it should be but God.

V. 21 - As many times as I've read this chap. - I just now noticed v. 21 - God named 'Isaac' before he was born.

It is awesome that we are worshiping a covenant-keeping God and sad that humans falter in keeping their side of the bargain. The redemption plan of God, a further attestation of the covenant, to keep snatching us from the jaws of everlasting death by sending His Son Jesus to shed His Precious Blood for the remission of our sins still avails for whosoever will.

TO AWAL - GEN. 17:10; GALATIANS 5:2 -- NO CONTRADICTION; THE O.T. WAS A DIFFERENT DISPENSATION OF TIME FROM THE N.T.THE O.T. LAWS WERE PHYSICAL - A 'SHADOW' OF THE N.T. 'GRACE' OF GOD'S SPIRITUAL LAWS. THE O.T. LAWS COULD NOT SAVE US; THEY JUST 'ROLLED BACK' THE PEOPLE'S SINS FOR ONE YEAR, THEN ALL THE SACRIFICISES HAD TO BE DONE AGAIN. BUT THE CIRCUMCISION ONLY ONCE.

I see contradiction in between Genesis 17:10 and Galatians 5:2.between

I love this verse on its spiritual meaning :pirication of the sin,circumcition of the heart removal of sin

it teaches us to always wait an trust God as His timing Is perfect no matter how our circumstances may look an how frustrating we may be we need to pray an God will see us true the long journey to be patient in our needs and not to try an work it out ourselves

Genesis 17:10-11, This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you SHALL BE CIRCUMSISED. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your FORESKIN; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

ARE WE ALL CHRISTIANS CIRCUMSISED LIKE JESUS? WE SAID THAT WE ALL FOLLOWING JESUS. ARE WE? OR NOT?

According to verse 20 and 21, there's a clean and clear difference between a blessing and a covenant. A blessing makes rich but a covenant establishes a relationship. Ishmael only have the blessing but not a covenant with God. Isaac has the covenant which establishes eternal relationship with God Almighty. The covenant is a total package while the blessing lacks certain ingredient which make for life and godliness. Christians are of the covenant while unbelievers may have some blessings.

The power of the covenant God expect perfection on his chosen although this perfection is not an absolute but relative perfection.It is crucial not only to Abraham but also to the church of Christ to be blameless in everything we go through. As in Abraham God was begining a new nation, Abraham should serve as an example of the people that was about to be created.

George, the reason is that he is God almighty. He can do whatever he chooses to do, however in this case of Sari and Abram the almighty was testing their faith in him. Jam. 1:2,3,4 says "My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations v3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith work ethic patience. V4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. God bless us all and in the understanding of his word. All praise be to Jehovah through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ forever. Amen.

Judy, I believe you are correct that was the beginning of the Arab nation.

Are these the 12 princes the origin of the Arab lineage?

I beleive that chp 17 is saying the same thing God says if you do what I say you will be blessed beyond measure

God had made Sarai barren in the first place....leading to the complexity of Ishmael and Isaac....why ?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it. Jeremiah 17:9 The first Adam sought his own will in the first garden and incurred a death sentence for all mankind. The second Adam Jesus Christ said in the second garden- "not my will, but thy will... " Thanks be unto God that we are purchased by the blood of the Lamb and we can confess our sins, John 1:9 and be perfect in Him- Genesis 17:1 and that our "righteousness exceeds the scribes and pharisees " of old.