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I read this chapter, but I do not understand what it's saying.

Eljer This is a challenging subject biblically angels true God, devils not demons opposite power,

agents that either work for the True God Angels or Satan devils. Examples of operation are by what they either

do positively or negatively affect mankind. Messengers of God Genesis 18:2 they appeared in front of Him then he

made food for them and they ate then they told Sarah about the son she would have GOOD NEWS then they

headed toward sodom and rescued lot and wife and daughters literally dragging them out. They can disappear

and reappear and operate Gods power when and if necessary always for the benefit of believers and Gods Will.

Now the other side they are invisible but what they cause is visible Mathew 9:32+33

and the man spake. The spiritual problem was eliminated and Gods Deliverance was manifested, Mathew 12:22+

23 the blind and dumb spake and saw. They are invisible but there work is visible to the senses. They knew who

Jesus Christ was Mathew 8:29 what have we to do with thee Son of the Most high God. You do not deal with this

unless God specifically tells you too, it is not a guessing game. God will make you aware of what to do or what not

to do. Notice Mathew 8:16 the Power of the spoken word when believed. The enemy and his messengers know who

Jesus Christ is and the authority he was Given and were terrified of Him. Our guard is being born again and renewed

mind walk in deliverance in Christ jesus by the spirit. Ephesians 6:12

I would like to give my view on Mathew 13:33. Which is just another perspective.

First we must read over verses 24 to 32 to get the flavor for lack of better terms.

Your see the parable with the tares, and also the birds of the air, These are not positive parables and neither is verse 33.

Matthew 13:24-32.

Now we come to verse 33.

Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. The Lord has a Jewish audience and they would understand that 3 measures of meal is a fellowship offering established back in Genesis 18:6.

Leaven is always spoken of as evil in and all throughout scripture and is never to be put into the meal offerings all but one occasion, Feast of Pentecost. ( Shavuot ). Leviticus 23:16-17. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD. These parables parallel with Leviticus 23:16-17. Leaven speaks of corruption. Leviticus 23:16-17. prophesies what's to become of the Church as we see it today. If verse 13 was anything good it would be out of context with the other parables.

God bless.

Hi Sister GiGi.

You all are doing a wonderful job!! It's very profitable for everyone. We're enjoying the tour.

God bless.

Hello again,

What do you mean when you said you could tell I was seeing with different eyes?

Understood.

Hello Earl, since we do not know each other, but are brethren in Christ, I do want you to explain to me what you you are intending from your post that said that you believe the Spirit impressed you to tell me to dig deeper. What do you mean by digging deeper? I am open to receiving from others, but I do want to to know more about a person and their ideas behind a statement in order for me to learn from it or to at least prayerfully evaluate it for applicability. I have read all of those Scriptures and have rad them many times before. What prompted you to select those? I am sincere in my request. I am sensitive to the promptings of the Spirit, but if I have something for someone else, I usually give more explanation than to just suggest to someone that they find out on their own what the Spirit may be trying to work in them. I certainly able to inquire of the the Spirit on my own, but since you responded to my post, we now should seek to understand one another better.

When I was a young Christian in Tulsa, a brother would often say to me, "Don't mess with (Bible) college material. Stick with the basics!"

Which stung me. I had hunger and thirst for the Word of God. Tip=God approves of healthy appetite.

I had a vision not long after I saw a Big Table loaded With all kinds of Food! Jesus was on my right at the head of the table. I was hungry and I was shoveling food at my mouth. Everyone at the table looked at me with disgust at over my manners. Not Jesus. He smiled and laughed With me. (I heard his laughter)

He wants us to taste and see the goodness of the Lord.

We are to Edify each other, no matter where we are in our walk with Jesus. Depend on Jesus, and Holy Spirit. Prove all things through scripture.

1 Corinthians 14:26

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Ephesians 4:16

From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself IN LOVE.

Ephesians 4:12

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

1 Timothy 1:4

Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: SO DO.

That's why we're here :)

Sister GiGi, I was not trying to convey anything to you. The words are God's words and he will convey through his Spirit any truths he want's revealed to you.

From you comment he is already causing you to see with different eyes.

1 John 2:27

Isaiah 28:9-11

GBU

Sister GiGi, When the Spirit causes me (everyone) to respond to HIS WILL we may think that the verses we respond with is our works and our knowledge; but this not true, the Spirit cause us to bring to mind the scriptures he wills to be revealed. We are just THE POT. Just as the Holy men of old wrote what God willed them to write we do the same.

The scriptures I quoted came from the Spirit causing me to quote those scriptures that he willed.

All the comments and scriptures you (the pot) have given; were not actually from you, but the potter.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My Spirit (the Father's) that is upon thee (the Son), and my words (the Father's) which I have put in thy (the Son's) mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy (the Son's) SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

WE are being CREATED in HIS IMAGE ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49).

Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people that shall be CREATED shall praise the Lord.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy SPIRIT, they are CREATED: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

GBU

Ucderstood, Earl

Could you please explain to me why you included the verses you did so I can learn what you were trying to convey to me?

Sister Gigi, I responded because God Spirit, working in us TO WILL and TO DO ( Philippians 2:13), caused me to respond, so God's will must be for you to go deeper into his truths that hasn't been revealed to you yet. God never stops revealing truths (himself) to us.

Hello, Hmm. I guess I never pondered this too much over the years as I was taught these stories since I was really young and have always thought that angels usually appear as men when they visit people to help them or give messages from God. God gave them this capability and I just haven't ever questioned it. It did point out that they ate with Abraham and Lot, so they must be able to be very humanlike to be able to fellowship in this way. I guess I don't see the connection with all of the Scripture verses. I've read those before, but would not connect them to this story. Please explain without just sending me verses. I want to understand why you sent these particular ones to me.

Sister GiGi, isn't it interesting the three that met Abraham were all angels and yet were also men. Christ being the angel of the Lord. ( 1 Corinthians 15:49)

Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord ye his angels ....

Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels SPIRITS; his ministers a FLAME of fire.

Luke 16:24 .....for I am in torment in this FLAME

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH, that the SPIRIT may BE SAVED....

Hebrews 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire (a single flame).

Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU....

Interesting that the Lord sent the angels up ahead to Sodom and Gomorrah and the Lord tarried with Abraham. The Lord knew Abraham's heart. Abraham already knew that they had come to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah by the way he pleaded with the Lord. Before this conversation, the Lord and the angels had discussed whether to hide what they were going to do to these cities. It seems unclear how Abraham knew this.

I am drawn to verses 18-20. the Lord says restates the blessing He gave to Abraham and then says, "For I known him." and tells why God sought out this "knowing" with Abraham, "in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He was spoken to him." Wonderful that God created a friendship with Abraham to bless Abraham and his heirs and promote faith in Abraham and his household to follow God and His ways. Not only did God will to have a people set apart for Himself, but He chose to develop a friendly relationship with Abraham and his heirs. This intimacy is really key to growing one's faith in God. Abraham welcomed The Lord's presence and actions in his life. Let us walk that way also with our Lord, being welcoming and hospitable, joyous and obedient, not resistant or desiring to keep God at hands length from us and what is dear to us.

Back to the text. I love how the announcement of Sarah becoming pregnant says that the Lord will return to Abraham" at the time of life." Whether this was at Isaac's conception or birth is perhaps unknown, but it is wonderful to hear it stated as "the time of life" since Sarah had considered herself "dead" in that area of her life. This was probably the one area of life that grieved Sarah the most over her 90 years of life. God is speaking life to that very area seemed forever dead.

A lot was packed into this chapter. Many have commented well on what is contained in this account of Go's visitation to Abraham. I believe it says that Abraham's tent was set up in Mamre, just as in a previous chapter before Abraham went to Egypt. I think that this was between Bethel and Ai and on a hill. From there they could look over the plains Jordan valley. Bethel was a special place for Abraham and Jacob.

Abraham must have been familiar with meeting with God in visible form. He was at his tent door and, upon seeing them, ran to meet them, bowing down out of respect. Bowing down to visitors was a common gesture in the culture of that time.

Even so, I think Abraham recognized God and the two angels from afar. He hastened to go out to meet them instead of waiting for them to arrive at the tent. It is remarkable that Scripture noted that God and the angels ate a meal with Abraham. This must have happened before since Abraham knew that they would dine with him, Just like it says in Rev. 3:20 "Behold I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."

Also, Abraham asked them not to pass by without staying and eating with him. He must have known that they intended to travel farther than Abraham's tent. They were headed towards Sodom and Gomorrah. yet, before that destruction, God wished to announce a life-giving message to Abraham, the fulfillment of the prophecy of a child being born to Sarah and himself. Remember, Abraham laughed when God first gave him the prophecy that he would father a child and become a great nation. Here Sarah laughs as she considers her situation-lifelong infertility and being well past menopause. She knew Abraham could father children because Ishmael was now 10 or 11 years old, but she must have considered it impossible for her to conceive. God was about to do a very great miracle in Sarah-restore her fertility and open her womb to conceive Isaac.

Of Gen. 6:2; "they (angels) took them (daughters) wives of all which they chose" =

Scriptures reveal angels may take on human form:

+ In Genesis 18:1-8, The LORD and two holy angels visited Abraham and Sarah in the form of "three men" in human bodies. During that visit, these angels conversed and ate with Abraham in the same manner as would human men.

+ Two of these angels in human form proceeded to visit Lot in Sodom ( Gen. 19). While there, the Sodomites mistook these angels as actual human men and attempted to physically sodomize them ( Gen. 19:5).

+ At least two angels appeared as "young men" ( Mk. 16:5) after LORD JESUS' Resurrection wearing "shining garments" (Lu. 24:4).

+ While the disciples strained to see the final glimpses of The LORD's Ascension into Heaven, "two men {? angels?} stood by them in white apparel", and promised CHRIST's Second Coming "in like manner as ye have seen HIM go into Heaven" (Ac. 1:10-11).

Because angels are immortal and not subject to death, they have no need to procreate lawfully through marriage as do humans (cp Mt. 22:30; Mk. 12:25).

Yet, these angels assumed human form and married, co-habitated, and bore children through human "daughters of men" (v.2).

Hi Shayne, that's an interesting idea of body, soul, spirit being like the trinity. But do these really align perfectly? For example, is God always a body? and which of the triune God is always a body, Jesus? But scriptures (like the one you just shared) show that physical body was only a temporary thing for Him being on Earth. Matt 27:50 says Jesus gave up His spirit when He died on earth, showing that He too is a spirit. Also, God the Father or possibly a trinity also came into physical form too, when He wrestled with Jacob, for instance. Genesis 32:29. Also the LORD appeared to people in the old testament: Genesis 18:1-33. And who is the "LORD" of the old testament? Jesus, God the Father, the Holy Spirit, or triune God?

Jean, there are only hints to ages of the Apostles and Disciples in the New Testament that I've found in my studies. However the Old Testament mentions ages often. Perhaps it is so we will follow Christ regardless of our ages & not discredit anyone because of age.

Could it be because GOD ALMIGHTY had already spoken about the insignificance or irrelevance of age? Except in determining prophecy?



Jeremiah 1:6 -7

Act 2:17

Joel 2:28

Genesis 18:11 -12

Joshua 14:6 - 15:17

Luke 2:42 -47

Hopefully that is as encouraging to you as it is to me.

Teresa johnson,

We see in Job the sons of God are angels ( Job 1"6) ( Job 2:1) and ( Job 38:7). There are demons on the earth that I hope you never have to contend with because these are vicious beings. How or why they are here is not in scripture, there are writings outside of the Bible but whether they are true is in question. But what does scripture tell us?

We see in Scripture angels appearing in the form of man, able to eat, drink, and have physical contact with humans. ( Genesis 18:2-8) ( Genesis 32:24-30). We are also told to be careful entertaining strangers because they could be an angel, ( Hebrews 13:2). The angels that left their first estate were treated differently, they were locked in chains of darkness (bottomless pit) until judgment, they are not roaming this earth.

Angels have no need to reproduce in their present estate like humans. If angels by choosing to leave their first estate can procreate, that is what we see in ( Genesis 6:1-4), and is probably the reason those angels were locked up in darkness because they corrupted God's creation of mankind, that God destroyed with the flood.

Angels and demons are roaming the earth. We see in Daniel 10 good angels and bad angels battle each other here on earth, same as we battle these beings, these may be part of the third that will be cast down with Satan. We see they rejoice in heaven when this happens and say woe unto those on earth.

We know by Job Satan has access to heaven because he went with the sons of God when they presented themselves to God, ( Job 1:6-12). Some take Revelation 12 as in the past, but if we look at what is said. Satan is the accuser and accuses us daily. If you read Revelation 12 you will see in vs. 8, Satan has no more place in heaven. In vs. 11 they overcome Satan by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives until death, this is in the future, not the past.

God bless,

RLW

Joanne David

The lost sheep of Israel ( Jeremiah 50:6)

Jesus came to fulfill the law, the first covenant, flesh had to live a sinless life under the law of Moses given by God before it was considered an executed contract (fulfilled). The prophets, all prophecy pointing to the coming of their Messiah had to be fulfilled. These two things had to be completed before God could make a new covenant. The first covenant was made with the house of Israel and the second was offered to the house of Israel first but they rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

We see in ( Matthew 10:5-8) that Jesus told the twelve, to go only to the house of Israel and not to go by the way of Gentiles. God even told them when the Messiah would come, ( Daniel 9:25) and in ( Ezekiel 34:23-24) they were told a Shepard was coming. but they did not want to give up their authority and wealth they were enjoying, meaning the Sadducees and Pharisees.



Even when Jesus was born, they heard that it was in Bethlehem they were troubled ( Matthew 2:3) they did not even want to go see if it was their King/Messiah. We see in Acts when they totally said they reject Jesus and the new covenant, when they killed Stephen.

Acts 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,



The Apostles continued to confirm the new covenant to the house of Israel until Peter had his dream and Paul was converted and what God told Abraham came to be, and the mystery was revealed and confirming to the house of Israel stopped. The branch was broken off so we may be grafted in.

Genesis 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

God bless,

RLW

Well you certainly have the part in genesis right but if you go to strong's or an actual study bible you will find a reference to God's covenant in several other books referring to the covenant betwixt Him and abraham,Isaac and Jacob. He refers to the covenant as that that I have made with each individual named so that it would carryon through the nation and not be forgotten. He furthermore swears that the covenant itself would be for a thousand generations. So the cycles mentioned are not yet valid science Jesus only comes into his kingdom when the dead join him and believers are spared the woes of the end times. So let's assume modestly a generation is 10 years. Then referencing the 1,000 year generation by our calculations the end times can't be close until the year 7 or 10,000 AD. Pretty far off. But only the Father might know when that time will come. WE can only speculate. Correct if I am mistaken on this train of thought.

Georgeforslund ,the land is forever ,its where Jesus will establish his Fathers kingdom on earth and where we will be with him when he returns ,New Jerusalem .

Genesis 17

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, THE LAND wherein thou art a stranger, ALL the land of Canaan, for an EVERLASTING possession; and I will be their God.

9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

As you read on down, God blessed Ishmael also. However, Ishmael was not a part of the Covenant concerning the land.

Ishmael See verse 20-21

God to Abraham Genesis 22:17-18

This is what the fighting is about in Israel today. Heirs of Ishmael are intent on destroying the heirs of Isaac; taking the Land that God have to Isaac.

If the USA persists in trying to force Israel to give up land for peace, no one has perceived what is going to happen to the USA.

Go look up the 5 cycles of discipline in the Book of Leviticus 26:14-39

Bad is about to get worse. We are moving into the 5th Cycle now. Respectfully, we need to impeach Biden now. He doesn't make any decisions apart from Pelosi and Obama. If we as a nation don't speak up now, in unity; we are opposing God.

The DEED to Israel is recorded in the Bible. They cannot give that land away. Nor, will God allow Ishmael's descendants to take it away from Israel.

Out of room. I'm afraid we're all going to see the beginning of the end.

What was the covenant of God between abraham about besides giving abraham the land for his people? Wasn't the land guaranteed for 1,000 generations?

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Genesis 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

Job 4:19 How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?

Psalms 103:14, Psalms 104:29 , -- Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We haven't cremated any of our family, no plans to. But I wouldn't think it makes a difference.

Dear Vince, I just noticed the insult: "So to be wise, one has to know good and evil. This will take time for you to get."

Matthew 12:36-37

"Are you saying here that God created the world and out of no where evil entered the creation? That would mean God don't know all things. God put evil and death here, therefore, this world was not intended to be everlasting paradise."

God is so powerful that He can choose to be in the moment and can change His mind too. Jonah 3:10, Genesis 18:26, Exodus 32:14, Genesis 6:6. So, one could take the other side of the argument and ask, do you not think God is powerful enough to change his mind or live temporarily in the moment and react as things unfold?

I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty as to God's intent, his thoughts or feelings ( 1 Corinthians 2:11), but Genesis 6:6 does say God grieved and had some regret for making man in the garden. He also had regret for how evil mankind had become prior to the flood. He loved us enough to give us freedom of choice, but when so many people choose evil I'm sure God doesn't take kindly to that. It should be equally upsetting to those committing the evil, but if not now, they absolutely will regret it later.

The curse went to Canaan because Noah had already blessed Ham. Noah could not rescind the blessing of Ham.

Hey Sandra

There may be several opinions on this, so keep studying to be confident in your own heart, but this is what I see. God had already blessed Noah and his sons. Noah could not curse what God had blessed. So Noah cursed Hams son whether God had told him is not written. Canaan the son of Ham, after the dividing of the people and the lands after the tower of Babel, Canaan's descendants would occupy the lands God would give the house of Israel for a possession.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Genesis 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

Genesis 12:6-7 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.7 And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him.

Hope this helps Ron