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This chapter gives the infamous command for Abraham to sacrifice his only son; the son which encompassed so many promises of God already related to future descendants and seemingly end it through this action. If anything else; Abraham's maturity of faith was great enough to accept this without any attempt to change things or resist God. His commentary at least seemed to suggest with his son and the two young men assisting that he would return afterwards with Isaac. Whether this was for their benefit not to panic or his own assurance God would be faithful or both we are not told. To have enough faith to expect and trust the Lord to provide some last minute reprieve held out until the end. The gig was up once Isaac was bound; and it is noteworthy that he didn't protest either. Only a supernatural Resurrection is what some suggest they believed would save the day; as it turned out as the knife and physically initiated the killing he was stopped before it reached him; and the ram in the thickets was used instead. God's swearing to him reiterated blessings; and also multiplying his seed as the stars of heaven (v. 17) along with military victories promised. There was further provision already in the works when he learned of his brother Nahor's offspring through an unknown source.

MUSLIMS BELIEVE JESUS IS MESSIAH TOO!

Muslims, Christians and Jews alike serve the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Jews are under Isaac, Muslims are under Ishmael and Christians are under Jesus.

As it is written in the Hebrew Tanakh (Torah & writings of the prophets/Old Testament), Abraham had two sons; one of a bondwoman Hagar unto Ishmael and Isaac born of a free woman Sarah the bloodline unto the descendants of Abraham ( Genesis 21:12). God called as this bloodline for the Messiah but God did not forget Abraham's first son Ishmael. God Honors Ishmael and promised Abraham he will make Ishmael a great nation ( Genesis 21:13) which is long before God promised Moses to make the Jews a great nation ( Exodus 32:10).

When the Lord first made a covenant with Abraham ( Genesis 17) God said it will be an everlasting covenant with he that is born of the house and he that is bought with money as servant of the house ( Genesis 17:13) and the covenant is the circumcised flesh. All of Abrahams house was circumcised in Genesis 17. Isaac who the covenant unto the elect of God is through wasnt born yet and it was Ishmael who was circumcized.

There is only one God, the God of Abraham. Ishmael grew up with God And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer ( Genesis 21:20). Ismael had 12 princes ( Genesis 25:16) which are the bloodline of Arab (Muslim) tribes today.

The blood lineage of Prophet Muhammad directly descends from the tribe of Ishmael's second son Kedar ( Genesis 25:12-17). God told Abraham that Ishmael Shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren ( Genesis 16:12).

ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD WILL BE BLESSED IN ABRAHAM ( Genesis 22:18)!

Abraham's circumzied himself and his son Ishmael ( Genesis 17:26) and all the males of his house who were born into house or were bought as servants and circumcised them ( Genesis 17:23) grafting them all into the promise also!

Muslims, Christians and Jews alike serve the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Jews are under Isaac, Muslims are under Ishmael and Christians are under Jesus.

As it is written in the Hebrew Tanakh (Torah & writings of the prophets/Old Testament), Abraham had two sons; one of a bondwoman Hagar unto Ishmael and Isaac born of a free woman Sarah the bloodline unto the descendants of Abraham ( Genesis 21:12). God called as this bloodline for the Messiah but God did not forget Abraham's first son Ishmael. God Honors Ishmael and promised Abraham he will make Ishmael a great nation ( Genesis 21:13) which is long before God promised Moses to make the Jews a great nation ( Exodus 32:10).

When the Lord first made a covenant with Abraham ( Genesis 17) God said it will be an everlasting covenant with he that is born of the house and he that is bought with money as servant of the house ( Genesis 17:13) and the covenant is the circumcised flesh. All of Abrahams house was circumcised in Genesis 17. Isaac who the covenant unto the elect of God is through wasnt born yet and it was Ishmael who was circumcized.

There is only one God, the God of Abraham. Ishmael grew up with God And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer ( Genesis 21:20). Ismael had 12 princes ( Genesis 25:16) which are the bloodline of Arab (Muslim) tribes today.

The blood lineage of Prophet Muhammad directly descends from the tribe of Ishmael's second son Kedar ( Genesis 25:12-17). God told Abraham that Ishmael Shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren ( Genesis 16:12).

Ishmael's name means: God has heard thy affliction ( Genesis 16:11).

Abraham did not only marry Hagar who bare Ishmael and Sarah who bare Isaac but Abraham also took another wife Keturah whom he married after Sarah died ( Genesis 25:1) and she bare him six sons ( Genesis 25:2). With Hagar, Sarah and Keturah ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD WILL BE BLESSED IN ABRAHAM ( Genesis 22:18)!

Hi Rick,

I'd keep reading. Seek the truth and open yourself to learn who God really is and what He will reveal to you. Pray for wisdom and understanding. I wouldn't stop after one section and make conclusions before you take the entire context of the Bible into account. There are logical explanations for your questions.

For your food question if you continued reading you would have naturally found Acts 10. There is much more info in the New Testament about what law applies today, because there is moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law. The latter two were specific to Israelites. You would also read a verse like this: Matthew 5:17-20

Regarding your other questions you would eventually read verses like these:

1 John 5:7-8

John 1:1

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

John 1:18

Some OT prophesy of Jesus to come:

Isaiah 7:14

Psalms 72:9-10

Micah 5:2

Numbers 24:17

Genesis 22:18

God bless...

Dear Jocelynne,

God was testing Abraham's faith in asking for him to sacrifice Isaac. God had communicated to Abraham at some time that He could raise up what has died, as Hebrews11:17-19 says Abraham believed that. So, since Abraham knew God could raise the dead, God was testing Him to see if he would believe it for his son, Isaac.

It is easy to believe things in theory, but here God wants to show Abraham if he actually believes in the resurrection power of God in regards to his only son who had promises attached to Isaac's survival. God knew what that Abraham would willingly offer Isaac, but Abraham (and Isaac) needed to find out if their faith was strong enough for such a test.

If this were me,I would have pleaded with God to take me for a sacrifice instead of my son ,and said who will bring all the sands of the future people if my son is not here? It was a test of his faithfulness,and when Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed it showed that you can question God ,and plead with him for others that are righteous.Thank God an angel was sent to offer a sacrifice before anything happened.

Jocelynne Bell Understand up front that this is a different condition of a burnt sacrifice being explained

the record is in Judges chapter 11 starting in verse 23 Jephthah who's heart was for Gods People God put his

spirit upon Jephthah and he vowed a vow that whoever comes out of his home when he defeats the children

of Ammon shall surely be the lord's and I will offer it up for a burn't sacrifice. Verse 32+33 God delivers them

and verse 34 jephthah goes to his house and His daughter is first one to come out and she was his only daughter.

A burn't sacrifice can also mean that a person has been committed to serving God in the temple or in our day and

time single in the service of God the rest of there lives! In this case a man gave His word to God and if you make

that level of commitment don't break it, i.e. say it and mean it. Verse 35 through 40 explain the heart of the

daughter and how she prepared to commit herself in the temple the rest of her life! The context of this starts

In verse 1 of chapter 11. In our culture words don't mean a lot that's why we have attorneys but in eastern culture

what you vowed you did if you were a just man.

Hi Jocelynne.

The account is in Genesis 22:1-18.

It's a lot to this story than what meets the Eye.

Issac was the child of promise and heir of the blessings promised to Abraham and by which the seed would come and by which all the world would be blessed.

Genesis 15:5-6.

Genesis 21:12.

( And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.)

Now if God was going to keep his promise "WHICH HE ALWAYS DO, BECAUSE GOD CAN'T LIE" Abraham would have to believe in something else. THE RESURRECTION!!

Hebrews 11:17-19. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; FROM WHENCE ALSO HE RECEIVED HIM IN A FIGURE.

I believe this is where the Gospel is preached to Abraham.

Galatians 3:8.

Genesis 22:14. And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, IN THE MOUNT OF THE LORD IT SHALL BE SEEN.

I believe the Lord Jesus was offered up on that same hill.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

So Abraham was trying to sacrifice his son? I'm a little confused.

Hi Sister GiGi.

Great read. I like to add some input on the blessings Jacob gave his sons.

I believe the blessings to Abraham and Issac went through the Lineage of Judah.

Here's why.

Genesis 22:18.

Galatians 3:14.

Galatians 3:16.

Now here is Judahs blessing.

Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.

Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

THE SCEPTRE SHALL NOT DEPART FROM JUDAH, NOR A LAWGIVER FROM BETWEEN HIS FEET, UNTIL SHILOH COME; AND UNTO HIM SHALL THE GATHERING OF THE PEOPLE BE.

Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk. Genesis 49:8-12.

Abraham's blessing to Issac was because he was Promised! He was God's doing! We are children of Promise as well.

Galatians 4:28.

Ishmael was the works of their own hands "Works of the flesh " ( This has a lot of spiritual application )

Here is the Contrast of the two.

Galatians 4:29-31.

Verse 30 says Issac is the heir this connects him to the promise on through Jacob on Judah to Christ. Revelation 5:5.

What's interesting is Jacob blessing Joseph sons out of order instituting the reverse sovereign order of the firstborn as seen in Romans 9:11-12. Romans 9:11.

("that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;")

I believe we see the contract of Works and Grace, Flesh and Spirit, The narrow gate and the wide gate. And the putting asleep of Abraham when the unconditional covenant was made. All in These verses.

God bless you and Good night.

Genesis 22:18, Haggai 1:12-13, Genesis 48:15, Luke 11:28, 1 John 5:1-3, hopefully these are helpful.

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Thank you for your reply

Once again you have helped me by providing the Scripture in John where Jesus mentions that Abraham saw this day and rejoiced. I was going to search for it this morning, and here you gave it to me. I rad the whole chapter of John 8. Blessings to you.

Thank you for your comment.

Thank you.

Hi Gigi Some added incite James 1:13 God can't be tempted neither tempt he any man, the word tempt in Genesis 22:1 there is the word nasah which is to try or prove. When Gods word is followed he proves or shows what he can and will do which was Abrahams great example of Believing what he said to do. But to try and tempt God would be to go against what is written and expect him to bail you out. Perhaps some added perspective.

Thank you for re-living that wonderful portion of Scripture for us. Re: John 8:56, I would include John 8:56-58. In just three verses, Jesus speaks about life after death; that Abraham though now long dead in the flesh, was alive in spirit to be witness to Jesus' coming to Earth. As well, Jesus speaks about His pre-human existence: "Before Abraham was (even existed), I am". Is it any wonder that the Jews took up stones to destroy Him? Wonderful Truths that many, even today, will reject or twist to their belief.

And that "downswing of his arm" was probably the point when full trust & commital gave way to any speck of doubt or fear. And that was a micro-second in duration, reminding us that the Lord's timing can never be wrong.

GIGI

CONTINUING- I sent the previous text mistakingly to soon.

Genesis 22:14. And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, IN THE MOUNT OF THE LORD IT SHALL BE SEEN."

"Abraham was happy to see my day "!!!

God bless.

Amen Sister GiGi.

In Abraham's mind Issac was as good as dead. Abraham was banking on Gods promise as you said.

Hebrews 11:17-19. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

OF WHOM IT WAS SAID, THAT IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED:

ACCOUNTING THAT GOD WAS ABLE TO RAISE HIM UP, EVEN FROM the DEAD; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Genesis 22:14. And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

...and sacrificed the ram as a substitute for Isaac (and all of Isaac's seed). Such an amazing historical story! As many have pointed out in their posts, many comparisons and fore-shadowings of Christ Jesus and His sacrifice. Abraham's one , and only Son promised to Abraham: God's one and only Son, promised to mankind in the garden of Eden. Isaac carries wood on which he would be sacrificed; Jesus carries his own cross on which he will be sacrificed. Isaac goes willingly to the altar and is bound willingly; Jesus willingly goes to Jerusalem, to Pilate, to Golgatha, to be nailed to the cross. Abraham is willing to to slay his own son; God the Father is willing to slay His own. The difference is, Abraham was stopped by God; God did not stop the slaying of His son, Jesus. The ram in the thorny thicket was provided for the sacrifice; Jesus with his head crowned with thorns (the thorns were dug into His flesh, and He bled). Just amazing parallels! Jehovah-Jireh-God will provide.! Then God speaks again to Abraham and reconfirms his promise and covenant with him, this time with Isaac, too.

Abraham passed the test of faith. He can look back on this and bless the Lord for His faithfulness and promised blessings.

I think the account in the remainder of the chapter happens at a time later than the test. Word comes to Abraham from Haran that his brother Nahor has had 12 children, 8 by his wife and 4 by his concubine, Reumah. This sets up the lineage of Isaac's wife-to-be Rebekah, born to Bethuel, Nahor's son. So, Rebekah is Isaac's second cousin one generation removed. Now Abraham and Sarah know that there is a kin person for Isaac to marry.

Whenever I read this account of Abraham's test with Isaac, I desire more faith and pray for it. I also remember Abraham and God's faithfulness when I face a test of faith, too. God is good and cannot be tempted by evil. He will always do what is right. It always reminds me to be in constant fellowship with God so that I know His voice.

....He also believed that God would resurrect Isaac after he died in the sacrifice. So, by faith, Abraham hoped against hope, and determined to do all that God had commanded him to do, without hesitation. He was sure of what he hoped for and did not waver in his faith in God. He believed God would completely fulfill his promises of making him a great nation.

God told him where to go to sacrifice Isaac. To a hill in Jerusalem, on a mountain in the land of Moriah. Many interpret this as the same mountain Solomon's temple was built upon (can't recall the verse where God tells David to go to Mt. Moriah to sacrifice). Abraham gathers all that he will need and sets out in the morning with Isaac and servants. Isaac caries the wood and Abraham carries the fire and the knife. Isaac goes willingly, perhaps like he has done many times before with his father, though he notices that there is not animal for the sacrifice and inquires about it. Abraham replies,, "God will provide Himself the lamb for the burnt offering." Abraham probably did not know he was prophesying about Jesus at this time, but Jesus did say to His Jews that Abraham saw this day and rejoiced. ( Jn 8:56). So, maybe he did see Jesus' sacrifice at this time or a little later. He built an altar, arranged the wood Isaac had carried, bound and laid him on the wood on the altar. (Was Golgatha the altar that Jesus was laid upon? Was it the same hill as in this event?) Without hesitation Abraham raised the knife with every intent to slay Isaac, and then God broke through,coming down from heaven, and stayed Abraham's hand, telling him not to lay a hand on Isaac. Saying, "Now I know that you fear God, since you did not withhold your one and only son, from Me." I tend to think that Abraham had just began the downswing of his arm holding the knife when God stopped him.

Then Abraham saw a ram caught in a thorny thicket.

As many have spoken of in their posts, there is so many instances of foreshadowing in this event.

This is one of my most favorite chapters in the Old Testament. For those who just finished reading this chapter, I encourage you to read Romans ch. 4 and Hebrews ch. 11:17-19. There is a direct connection between this chapter in Genesis and those I cited from the New Testament concerning faith.

The chapter opens with God's plan to test Abraham and his faith. This is both a physical and spiritual test. God is omniscient, meaning he knew every thing that will ever happen before he creation including all of the thoughts, intentions, words spoken, and actions of each and every person from before creation. God didn't need to find out what Abraham would decide or do. He wanted to test Abraham for Abraham's sake. God calls to Abraham; He initiates the encounter. Abraham did not go to God and say, "Lord, what can I do to prove my faith to you." Here I am." Abraham did not tarry in responding to God. he was not wary of God, nor did he think that serving God was a burden.

God explains what he wants Abraham to do. I have always been amazed that God would ask Abraham to do what everyone throughout history knows is wrong; kill another person. Yet the Bible says that God cannot be tempted by evil (can't recall the verse in the NT). Abraham knew that it was wrong before God to kill/sacrifice another person. The idolaterous people did this, sacrificed their children to Molech (Baal), laying them on the hands of the giant idol with a fire below his hands and in a chamber within his form. Abraham knew that Isaac was in essence his only son because God said to send Ishmael away and he was no longer a part of Abraham's family. He loved Isaac deeply having waited 100 years for Isaac to be born (25 years after God promised he'd be born). Isaac was probably close to adulthood at this time, or old enough to marry and have children to fulfill the promise of the covenant. Yet Abraham reconized that God is God and ne is not. He knew God. He trusted God. See more...

Hi English Sacha I see abrahams unwavering believing in that your sharing telling his own son God will provide a sacrifice which again shows Abrahams absolute walk, when God talked to Abraham his response here am I like what do you want me to do, no question,no doubt,just moving on Gods word. Can you imagine what his sons head was doing, then again his Son knew by example what Abraham believed, what a remarkable record.

Amen sister sacha, isaac was a shadow of the real.

Hi , I'm not quite sure what you are exactly asking but I have always taken the ram to be Christ . The crown of thorns around his head , the fact that Abraham tells Isaac that : God will provide a sacrifice . Thats how I've always read it but others may disagree .

Hello Leo. The emotional & spiritual conflict that Abraham would have gone through, from the time the command was given to the raising of the knife against his son, would have been so real & devastating. But Abraham knew his God. The God Who would provide Isaac as the "heir of promise" ( Genesis 15:4), now fulfilled that promise, & had something special planned that cannot disannul His Word. Abraham didn't know how, he only knew this God & that God's Promise would never fail.

If Satan was evident, it would have been sinful flesh working in Abraham's heart & mind to somehow avoid or change this 'awful' plan. It would have been Satan's delight to see Abraham cower down & refuse. But it was Abraham's singular focus to obey his God no matter what was asked of him (he might have even recalled the Lord's Directive to leave the Ur of the Chaldees & then Haran, not knowing what lay ahead). The provision of the ram in place of Isaac is clearly a picture of God providing His Sacrifice in our place. God could have allowed Isaac to lose his life through sacrifice & then raised up another. But the provision of the ram shows that each life is precious to God & there should never be an occasion for a life to die & face eternal judgement - that the ram was Isaac's substitute in death as the Lord Jesus is ours, hence providing the means for God to forgive us, as the Just takes on the punishment of the unjust.

Hi Leo That does not flow with the message of Abraham obeying Gods command to do what God told Him to the point of being willing to give His son believing and that God by the ram would provide the sacrifice. A tremendous account of unwavering believing. Here's even a greater perspective Abrahams committed walk was so big being called a friend of God that if he had to sacrifice his son that he figured God could resurrect Him that's just an interesting thought.

Question? Can any symbolic correlation be made for the entangled ram(v.13) and a representation of satan/the possible failure of Abrahams faith in Gods prior direction(v.1); being sacraficed?

Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam)

1) Concerns a kingdom: a political organization ( Daniel 2:44; Matthew 6:10)

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From {RDf} "Things That DIFFER!":

1) Concerns a body; a living organism ( 1 Corinthians 12:12; 1 Corinthians 12:27; Ephesians 4:12-16)

2) The kingdom to be established on earth ( Jeremiah 23:5; Matthew 6:10)

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2) The Body given a position in Heaven ( Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:5-6; Colossians 3:1-3)

3) Christ to be its King ( Jeremiah 23:5; Isaiah 9:6-7)

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3) CHRIST Is The Living Head ( Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18)

4) The Body Chosen In CHRIST "Before the world began," but "kept secret since the world began" ( Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11; Ephesians 3:5-9)

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4) The kingdom prophesied "since the world began" ( Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21)

5) Israel to be given supremacy over the nations ( Isaiah 60:10-12; Isaiah 61:6)

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5) Jew and Gentile place on the same level before God ( Romans 10:12; Romans 11:32; Ephesians 2:16-17)

6)The Gentiles to be blessed by Israel's instrumentality ( Genesis 22:17-18; Zechariah 8:13)

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6) The Gentiles blessed through Israel's obstinancy ( Acts 13:44-46, Romans 11:28-32)

7)The Gentiles to be blessed by Israel's rise ( Isaiah 60:1-3; Zechariah 8:22-23)

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7) The Gentiles blessed through Israel's fall ( Acts 28:27-28; Romans 11:11-12; Romans 11:15)

This is a tremendous account of free will, God testing Abrahams faith, and the outcome of Abahams response confirming his trust which God did not know until Abraham chose to follow through. Then God said "NOW I know". God didn't say, I always knew. Free will is an amazing and yet dangerous power God has entrusted His greatest creation with, those He has given the opportunity to be His Sons bride.

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All this pointed to a time in the future when God would then "provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering." ( Genesis 22:8). So the Old Testament showed the people their sin & need for a substitute sacrifice but all it did was to temporarily cover their sin (i.e. avert God's Anger against them) until the coming of "the better hope & the better Covenant" ( Hebrews 7:19,22). What was this new Hope & Covenant for Israel? Sin was still sin & the penalty then was the same penalty now, but the difference now was that God Himself would provide His Own sacrificial Lamb. All other sacrifices fell far short in God's justice system & could never deal with the sin issue - all people remained condemned before Him.

But the same love that God had for His people in those old days was still very much the same to be demonstrated in these last days. John 3:16 best describes that Love which not only was for Israel but through this special Sacrifice, would encompass all people that each one could be saved by it, simply by looking to Him in faith. And the only Sacrifice that could demonstrate that Love & fulfil His Holy demands was that God Himself would, through His Son (the Word given flesh), would lay down His Life for us all. There could be no other suitable or acceptable sacrifice for our sins & to divert God's Anger against us that would send us to Hell for eternity. No man or animal could fully pay the price - God willingly gave of Himself for us all. "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" ( John 15:13 & 1 John 3:16 "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because HE laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren). And the 'brutality of His Death' was because of the prevailing Roman form of execution, i.e. the release of Barabbas that Jesus might be crucified in his place.