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Hello Linda. Many tend to believe that because Cain did not provide a blood offering, God had rejected it. But I cannot be sure whether at that time a blood sacrifice was mandatory, rather, that God was looking for something else.

Therefore, in Genesis 4:3-5, we read that "the LORD had respect (or, looked upon, attended to) unto Abel and to his offering". I read this as both the offerer & the offering were considered by the LORD whether to be acceptable or not. God was considering Abel, his heart, his motives, his giving, and found him acceptable, as also his offering.

But with Cain, his heart & offering were not right before the LORD, as we see that Cain flew into a rage when God rejected him & the offering. Abel had brought the "firstlings of his flock & its fat", while Cain might have just grabbed whatever 'produce of the ground' that came to his hand, deeming that the sacrificial act was more important than the quality of the sacrifice & of the heart.

Cain, who also walked & talked with God as did his parents, should have rather been humbled by his error & pleaded for forgiveness & sought corrective help. But he walked off in a huff & allowed his anger against the LORD & against his brother to fester, allowing the devil to have his way with him ( Genesis 4:7,8; 1 John 3:12). So, in my understanding of these verses, it seems that the LORD was requiring both the gift & giver to be in an optimal state before Him; unfortunately, Cain failed God, his family & left a murderer & a vagabond.

Why did God reject Cain's offering? He was a tiller of the ground - he gave the first fruits of what he had. I do not understand why it was turned away. Thank You . . .

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Part two: Knowledge of Good and Evil.

We may ask ourselves; well then before the sin was there no knowledge of good? God's own goodness not to mention the idyllic environment of the Garden; the beauty of the first man and woman in a sinless state of innocence and their whole existence would bring to mind that they should have had some idea of what "good" was. We see; with careful examination of what is NOT said that there is no praise mentioned toward their Creator; or any other scripture indicating that they were even truly saved. No mention is made in the Garden of any greeting that said "Lord" when He spoke to Adam in the cool of the day. They are NOT included for instance in the long list of saints in Hebrews 11. The only thing I can see is when Seth was born to replace Abel after Cain murdured his brother ( Genesis 4:1) where Eve said that she had gotten a "man from the Lord."

Knowing evil; hence was the introduction to Satan's world and usurping the authority God gave them in the garden; as well as bringing thorns; toils; and a guaranteed death sentence to the body; and later if not repentant and saved; to their souls sending their spirits to Sheol. We can't be certain as to their fate; but looking at the state of their children such as Cain being a murdurer and their later descendants such as Nimrod it doesn't seem evident much discipline was given to them either.

Anyway; KNOWING evil of course is the nesting place where thoughts and imaginations lead to the depravity that increases in an individual and all of society in time; so we have a condition like in Genesis 6 where God had to destroy the earth. Knowing evil led to women literally "knowing" fallen angels intimately; and bringing the Nephilim and all sorts of hybrid offspring; so that only Noah and his family were "perfect" before God. ( Gen. 6:9 says "perfect in his generations.") Others can interpret as they may; but only 8 people all in his immediate family were saved.

From what I learned, the books of the Bible had to coincide with the other books printed.



There are at least four 'different' men in the Bible named Enoch ( Genesis 4:17; 5:18; 25:4; 46:9). We should note that, in Genesis 25:4 and Genesis 46:9, the NIV gives the name "Hanok," while some other translations, such as the Darby translation, give the name "Enoch" instead. In both verses, the name "Hanok" is from the same Hebrew word translated "Enoch" in Genesis 4:17 and Genesis 5:18. Other translations say "Hanoch" or "Henoch." The only difference is one of English spelling.

Hebrews 11:5 gives a little more detail: "By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: 'He could not be found, because God had taken him away.' For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God." This being "taken away" is what Enoch is most famous for. Only two people in the Bible are said to have been chosen by God to escape death, Enoch and Elijah. Enoch appears to have been given this privilege due to being a man who walked faithfully with God ( Genesis 5:24) and pleased God ( Hebrews 11:5).

For what purpose was Enoch taken away? The Bible does not specifically say. The most common assumption is so that he could serve as one of the two witnesses, alongside Elijah, in the end times. Jude 14.

Hello Alex1939, it seems you made a strawman fallacy. I didn't claim the original Hebrew was upper and lowercase, so you refuted an argument I didn't make.

Anonymous...Alex1939...Adam Gbu but in the original Hebrew.As far back as we can go there were no upper case or lower case...It was the Greek language that brough in the lower case and upper case which is erroneous...And there were no upper case or lower case in the original 10 commandments....God is God and Lord is Lord...And when David said the Lord said unto my Lord sit thou at my right hand till i make your enemies your footstool there are no upper case or lower case in the original Hebrew scripture... Psalms 110...ok No pun intented....Just the truth....But we have no originals we only have copies of copies...But as farback as scholars can go there are no lower case or upper case in the original Hebrew Scripture...Not even in the fragmented dead seas scrolls...

Hi Kevin, Deut 10:17 is a good example of this with LORD and Lord and lord in the same verse.

"For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:" Deuteronomy 10:17 KJV

GiGi is correct that the uppercase LORD is YHWH as the transliteration from Hebrew- known as Jehovah. The lowercase Lord and lord is Adon or Adoni. I learned this by clicking on the verse and you see it broken down.

Hello Kevin, My understanding is that the capitalized LORD is what is used to denote the name YHWH.

Can you explain why the only word in the KJV that is all capitalized

is the word "LORD"?

Hi Dr Martin.

We get that question a lot.

The same question can be asked about Seth.

If it was an issue with Cain, Seth would have had the same issue!

Adam and Eve was told to multiply the earth.

We don't know how many siblings they had by the time Cain left from the presence of the LORD.

It seems in Genesis 4:14 there were other siblings already born.

"Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that EVERY ONE THAT FINDETH ME SHALL SLAY ME."

The key to the controversy is in Genesis 4:16-17 "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, AND DWELT IN THE LAND OF NOD, on the east of Eden.

AND CAIN KNEW HIS WIFE; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."

An often asked question is did Cain get his wife from the land of Nod?

The scripture doesn't say that.

It says

"And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod and Cain knew his wife.

It appears Cain was already with a wife BEFORE he went out from the presence of the LORD.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

It's called The 6th day Creation when God created Humans, all the races male and female, Adam was FORMED on the 8th, so there were people already in the land.

What is the time frame to give context to your questions?

Are we talking 1 year , 20 years 200 years 500 years ?

Sorry I don't know .

If it was only Adam and Eve and Cain killed Abel.Hoe did he go and find a wife and who would be looking to slay him.

Hello Jesse, While I agree, without faith it is impossible to please Him/God: And, Cain's offering was a sin offering, a product of the curse (religious yes but in his own way) where exactly may I read of this account you speak of? in scripture of course (because I have not read)

And I quote

"If you read the account, Cain sees what Abel is doing, and Cain decides he's going to bring an offering too. But his was religious. He wasn't doing it under the inspiration of God's Spirit. His heart wasn't right."

Jesse. Amen. Cain's heart was corrupt so all deeds were the same.

Genesis 4:26, Genesis 5:22, John 1:12, Romans 8:14,

Luke 3:23-38

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Mary,

Hebrews 11:4 says that by faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of, or literally, over his gifts: and by it he being dead yet he speaks.



What is it about Abel's life that continues to speak in witness and in testimony? It's that by faith, he offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain.



Now let me share this to you because there are those who say "Well, he presented a better sacrifice, or more excellent sacrifice because it was an animal, or blood sacrifice, a lamb, vs. Cain's sacrifice which was vegetables from out of his garden."



That's not what the bible says.



As a matter of fact, if you look further back in the law, because there is no law in Genesis Chapter 4, but if you look into the law about God's requirement for sacrifices, it wasn't just animals and blood.



There were herbs. There were meal offerings. So it wasn't that God looked at Abel's and said you got the right kind and Cain doesn't, so we'll reject his and we'll accept yours.



Why was it a more excellent sacrifice?



Because it was given by faith. Abel was governed by the influence of God's Spirit to bring a sacrifice to God.



If you read the account, Cain sees what Abel is doing, and Cain decides he's going to bring an offering too. But his was religious. He wasn't doing it under the inspiration of God's Spirit. His heart wasn't right.



And so when Cain brought his, God rejected it because it was religious and human motivated. Abel showed that he was under the influence of God's Spirit.



God testifying of his gifts: You see, it's by faith. It doesn't make any difference what it is. It's the motive behind it.

Genesis 4:3-24,

Note Genesis 4:4 "._..._respect unto Abel & his offering:"

Genesis 4:5 "But unto Cain & his offering._._."

Genesis 4:7

It seems to clearly say it was the person, giving it & how. There are other times GOD didn't accept bad attitudes, behavior nor their sacrifices, or offerings. Hosea 8:13, Jeremiah, Amos 5:22, Malachi 1:10,

Notice Isaiah 58, Proverbs 21:3, Psalms 19:14, Proverbs 21:3,

Proverbs 18:5,

Isn't it interesting how when Jesus was helping people, healing & teaching, His brothers in the Temple also were likewise ready to kill Jesus making Jesus sacrifice acceptable to GOD & not their own? Mark 12, Hebrews 12,

Romans 12:1,2, Ephesians 5:1-21, 1Peter 2:5,20,

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God didn't "respect" Cain's offering why? God want's the best from us, in this case (offerings) Cain brought of the fruit of the ground, Abel brought by faith of the firstlings of his flock, and the fattest ones too.

Abel brought the best and the fattest sheep, Cain being the offspring of the Serpent, whereas the fruit they bare are bad, see parable of the (fig tree) God didn't respect it.

Why was Cain's sacrifice not accepted by God? Like Ables was.

Why was Cain's sacrifice not accepted by God? Like Ables was.

Why did GOD destroy the earth except Noah & his family = reply : Genesis 6:5,6,7,8,

Please read again Genesis 6, look back to Genesis 4:26, Genesis 5, Job 1:5,6, Job 1:20-22 continues to Job 2:1, John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Philippians 2:15, Hebrews 1:4,5,6,7

Angels aren't Sons of GOD 1Corinthians 6:3,

In KJV 1611 Tobit 3, Tobit 7, Tobit 12, are the only thing even close & there was not what you stated in these scriptures. Mark 12:25, notice the scriptures here are relevant to Tobit; Mark 12:18-25,

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You said:

"You haven't broken fellowship or erored in your walk?"

My witness was: No one is rebuking me...

Every true Christian believes we will be judged according to the word Jesus has spoken in his Father's name:

Surely, the Master has said:

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:48

Like God told Cain:

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?

and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

And unto thee shall be his desire,

and thou shalt rule over him.

Genesis 4:7

Dave,

I'm not sure if your question was about GOD or man. I will try my best to answer it. Ironically " ambiguous " meaning double meaning._._

I think that GOD's WORD the Bible is clear, when we study, & pray for wisdom. James 1:5,

1st GOD gave people dominion: Genesis 1:26,27,28, = power, dominion ect. Within 2nd Generation & continued; 1st crime: Genesis 4:6-9, & Genesis 4:23, dominion with disregard for others, even anothers very life. Genesis 6:5, Exodus 1:8,13,16,22, even disregard for life of children

Even then though GOD doesn't disregard HE repayed. Exodus 12:29, Exodus 13:15, notice the whole chapter of Exodus 12, points to John 3:15,16,17, Again people with dominion & power disregarding life of innocent: Luke 22:1,2,7,20,54,63,64, continued; Luke 23:1,2,15,21,33,34,

Also: they killed their own children, Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:1-8, that GOD had destroyed nations for that sin! 1Kings 11:7, 2Kings 23:10,

Jeremiah 32:35, ( how? ) it's unimaginable even to GOD ALMIGHTY ! Jeremiah 7:31, Jeremiah 19:5, 2Chronicles 33:9, 1Kings 11:1-12, Deuteronomy 6:14, Deuteronomy 7:1-8, why? Was it because they destroyed the children, had disregard for innocent lives of their own offspring? Images of GOD

Psalms 82:6, in context Psalms 82,

GOD will Judge: Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 18:5,6,10,14, Matthew 19:14, Mark 9:42, Luke 17:2, 2Peter 2:7-9, Psalms 9:7,

If your question is regarding "us" "believers" Luke 12:32, Revelation 21,

There will be suffering here on Earth but promises to those who endure, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 10, 2Timothy 2:3, Revelation 6:9-11,

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The best way to view Adam and Eve's children, is to Google the GENEALOGY of them.

Be aware some names were popular and later people re-used the same name.

Find a legible Chart.

It's called the 6th day creation, when God created MANKIND, all the races male and female, and saw that it was good!

Genesis 1:26 And God said,"Let Us make (mankind) in the likeness of Our image: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea,and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

God ended His work of creating the 2nd Heaven and Earth age on the 6th day. He then sanctified the 7th and theN FORMED

manADAM on the 8th, Genesis 2:7 a Potter to till the ground, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life(soul)and manAdam became a living soul.

The dinosaurs are what plenished the earth in the first age before God destroyed it.

Jeju,

Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam produced other sons and daughters. For a time, there had to have been marriage between siblings in order to populate further. There was no law against incest at that time because the law had not yet been given until later.

Adam and Eve have 2 sons, but where is the other poeple coming from???

"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door."

Genesis 4:7

"That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel..."

Matthew 23:35 KJV Crown copyright in UK