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Hi BMW.

Part 6.

EVIDENCE OF DIVINE CONCERN FOR THE GENTILES. Continued.

(1) The practice of offering sacrifices as atonement, typically foreshadowing the coming of Jesus, apparently was a human requirement from the very commencement of history. Abel, son of Adam and Eve, brought the "firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof" ( Genesis 4:4). The offering must have been killed, otherwise he could not have presented the fat, which was the best part. Moreover, we are told that "righteous Abel" (so designated by Jesus [ Matthew 23:35]) offered his sacrifice "by faith" ( Hebrews 11:4), which, in the overall context of this chapter, clearly is an objective faith grounded in revelation, and not that which was subjectively whimsical.

When Noah departed from the ark after the waters of the flood subsided, he built an altar and offered sacrifices of every clean animal and bird, and Jehovah was pleased with his offering ( Genesis 8:20-21). What compelled him to do such?

Melchizedek, whom Abraham encountered on his return from the rescue of his nephew, was designated by Moses as a "priest of God Most High" ( Genesis 14:18). A priest is an appointed servant who officiates in the offering of sacrifices to atone for sin. The modernistic notion that Melchizedek was merely the "high god" priest of the Canaanites (e.g., Baal), worshipped in pre-Israelite Jerusalem, is absurd (Hicks 1962, 343). God would hardly have chosen a Baal-worshipper to be a type, prophetically previewing his Son ( Hebrews 7:3). See also Leupold (1942, 463).

(2) The entire world population was one in kind prior to the call of Abraham. He was the first to be designated a Hebrew ( Genesis 14:13). The Hebrews were not set apart as a distinct people until the giving of the law of Moses ( Exodus 19:5-6; cf. Ephesians 2:14). It is wholly unrealistic not to recognize that God's love for the Gentiles was a part of the ancient world.

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Son's of GOD = 1 John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1 John 5:10, Ezra 3:2, Hebrews 12:7, Revelation 21:7, 1 Timothy 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:2-3,

Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH referred to the most as Son of GOD. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, etc.

Luke 3:38,

* Romans 8:14, * Hebrews 1:13-14,

I understand "Son's of GOD presented themselves before GOD" to mean= they prayed notice Job 1:5, "offered burnt offerings" then vrs. 6._._._ the accuser came, Revelation 12:10,

Genesis 4:26, Luke 3:38,

Exodus 34:2, Leviticus 14:11, Leviticus 16:28, 1 Samuel 10:19, Daniel 9:18, Luke 2:22, Romans 12:1, Jude 1:24-25,

Please read Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 1:26-30, here it states plural. It also reasonably suggests multiple to subdue the entire earth. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28,

Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,

Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,

Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.

The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"

Genesis 6:1-6, Gen 6:6, "earth" not "garden"

we are the image of God Gen 1 26-27 COLOSSIANS 3 10 There are 72 scriptures in the word stating that..

Here are several scriptures I hope answer your questions

* Psalms 139,

Genesis 3:8, Genesis 4:16, Jonah 1:3, 2 Corinthians 3:17, Psalms 95:2, Psalms 16:11,

Deuteronomy 11:10-13, Leviticus 22:3, Psalms 114:7, Psalms 68:8, Psalms 97:5, Romans 8:16, 1 Kings 9:3, 2 Chronicles 2:16-19, Job 10:4, Psalms 11:4, Psalms 34:15, Psalms 145:14-16, Proverbs 5:21, Proverbs 15:3, Hebrews 4:11-14, 1 Peter 3:12, Ecclesiasticus 15:19, Ecclesiasticus 17:15,19, Ecclesiasticus 34:16, Ecclesiasticus 39:19,

Hebrews 9:24,

Jude 1:24,

Revelation 19:6,

Genesis 1:26-27, Genesis 2:15,18,22,23, Genesis 3:20, Genesis 5:1-2, interesting it appears by this GOD called them Adam, it was man that named her "Woman & Eve"

Hopefully this is helpful

Through the Adam Genesis 4:25-26, Genesis 5:1-32, comes the line of the living, physically & Spiritualy, Matthew 1:1-16, Luke 3:23-38, John 1:1-5, John 3:15-16, Mark 12:27,

Sons of Noah: Shem, Ham and Japheth

The Genesis flood narrative tells how Noah and his three sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, together with their wives, were saved from the Deluge to repopulate the Earth. ... In chapter 11 verses 10-26 a second list of descendants of Shem names Abraham and thus the Israelites.

In the Book of Jubilees (160-150 BC) the names of the wives of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth are as follows:

* Wife of Noah - Emzara.

* Wife of Shem - Sedeqetelebab.

* Wife of Ham - Na'eltama'uk.

* Wife of Japheth - 'Adataneses.

In the Biblical view, the listed children of Japheth, Shem and Ham correspond to various historic nations and peoples. In the typical interpretation, these sons of Noah correspond to three races: European, Semitic, and African. Alternate divisions claim Euro-Asian Japhet, Semitic Shem, and Afro-Asian Ham.

The Genesis Rabba midrash lists Naamah, the daughter of Lamech and sister of Tubal-Cain, as the wife of Noah, as does the 11th-century Jewish commentator Rashi in his commentary on Genesis 4:22.

In the medieval midrash Parry, J. H. (ed.). "5:15". Book of Jasher. Translated by Moses, Samuel., the name of Noah's wife is said to be Naamah, daughter of Enoch.

Since the 17th century a number of suggestions have been made that relate the name Ham to a Hebrew word for "burnt", "black" or "hot", to the Egyptian word m for "servant" or the word m for "majesty" or the Egyptian word kmt for "Egypt".[4] A 2004 review of David Goldenberg's The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity and Islam (2003) states that Goldenberg "argues persuasively that the biblical name Ham bears no relationship at all to the notion of blackness and as of now is of UNKNOWN (color) etymology.

Google has charts on Noah's Geneology

It was most likely because of examples from their fathers. Jacob/Israel even Abraham. May have started with Lamech Genesis 4:19, Genesis 6:2-3, Genesis 1:25, Genesis 25:6, Genesis 31:50,

Deuteronomy 7:2-4, 1 Kings 11:1-11,

T. Lewis Not taking sides but who else does Gods Word say other than adam and eve were made after the image

of God and what is the image of God?

Genesis 1:26, "them" "over all the Earth" Genesis 1:27, Genesis 1:28, hopefully these are helpful

I am a bit confused with Genesis 4:16. Adam and Eve were the first people created by God and their first children were Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel being the first murder case to be recorded. God punished Cain and Cain being afraid begged not to be killed and God put a mark on cain. Who were the people Cain was scared of of being killed by them? When were people in the land of Nod, east of Eden created? Where and who were the parent of Cain's wife?

Sister Lise, may God grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The words of God are WRITTEN to his church, we individually are the church.

Now if the CHURCH is not going to be here when the beast and anti-christ are here, why would God have need of putting that in his word.

Revelation says which is, which was, and which is to come.

And no man could buy or sell, save he had the mark of the beast. Has not man been buying and selling since the world begin, man IS buying and selling, WAS buying and selling and SHALL BE buying and selling.

From the beginning God made vessel of honour, that God CHOSE, to fulfill his PURPOSE, but he also made vessels of dishonour, that he CHOSE, to fulfill his PURPOSE.

Abel was Chosen to be a vessel of honour, Cain was Chosen to be a vessel of dishonour.

Genesis 4:15...and set a MARK upon Cain (a beast, a vessel of dishonour)....

A BEAST has no KNOWLEDGE of GOD, we all start as THE BEAST.

Proverbs 9:1-2 WISDOM ....hath killed her BEAST.....

ANTI means against, opposed or not in agreement with: we all start out as ANTI christ.

Proverbs 16:6 By truth and mercy iniquity is purged (destroyed), and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.

By studying God's Word THE BEAST and THE ANTI CHRIST (no knowledge and wisdom of God within you) is destroyed and replaced by LIFE and TRUTH ( Colossians 1:27), being BORN AGAIN by the word of God. ( 1 Peter 1:23).

God Bless You.

The Genesis flood narrative tells how Noah and his three sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, together with their wives, were saved from the Deluge to repopulate the Earth. ... In chapter 11 verses 10-26 a second list of descendants of Shem names Abraham and thus the Israelites.

In the Book of Jubilees (160-150 BC) the names of the wives of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth are as follows:

* Wife of Noah - Emzara.

* Wife of Shem - Sedeqetelebab.

* Wife of Ham - Na'eltama'uk.

* Wife of Japheth - 'Adataneses.

In the Biblical view, the listed children of Japheth, Shem and Ham correspond to various historic nations and peoples. In the typical interpretation, these sons of Noah correspond to three races: European, Semitic, and African. Alternate divisions claim Euro-Asian Japhet, Semitic Shem, and Afro-Asian Ham.

The Genesis Rabba midrash lists Naamah, the daughter of Lamech and sister of Tubal-Cain, as the wife of Noah, as does the 11th-century Jewish commentator Rashi in his commentary on Genesis 4:22.

In the medieval midrash Parry, J. H. (ed.). "5:15". Book of Jasher. Translated by Moses, Samuel., the name of Noah's wife is said to be Naamah, daughter of Enoch.

Since the 17th century a number of suggestions have been made that relate the name Ham to a Hebrew word for "burnt", "black" or "hot", to the Egyptian word m for "servant" or the word m for "majesty" or the Egyptian word kmt for "Egypt".[4] A 2004 review of David Goldenberg's The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity and Islam (2003) states that Goldenberg "argues persuasively that the biblical name Ham bears no relationship at all to the notion of blackness and as of now is of UNKNOWN (color) etymology.

Vincent.

You quoted

"Four hundred years in Egypt as owners, paid back by four hundred years of slavery under the house of Israel (UK/US) Isaiah 14:2 The curse of Cannan is representative of certain Africans."

Well to begin with Isaiah 14:2 have not been fulfilled yet,

Look at verse 3: And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

Do Israel have the rest and live without fear over there as promised in Isaiah 14:3.?

The question is was man delivered from the curse of Adams transgression after the flood? I think not, If so we wouldn't have the account in Genesis 9:25-27. Nor would we have the account of Noah drunken with wine.

that you wrongfully ascribe to a people of today we know as black people.

All 8 souls on the Ark were under Adam's transgression "apart from Gods Atonement,' Genesis 6:14. The word pitched used here is "Atonement"

Apart from God's grace we're all Lost and unrighteous and there is no partiality with God.

Genesis 6:8-9. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

These are the generations of Noah: (Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,) and Noah walked with God.

We know Noah was just/Justified. In which you can only be by faith! They had faith in their sacrifice and offerings which we know they submitted to the Lord as we see as early as Genesis 4:4.

This is a carnal insert to a Christian forum; we should covet the new birth in the spirit and not rank in our old nature "The flesh.

God bless.

Pastor Arnold Murray, on TV said they were, fraternal twins. I am studying,thank you for your answer. Lydia

Nope. Read it again slowly. Read the Geneologies.

Cain and Abel were twins.

In a google search, it says that gold was the first mineral to be mined and refined. I can be found around the world and exists in an almost pure form.

Genesis 4:19-20 says that Cain's descendant, Tubal-Cain (Lamech's son) worked in metallurgy using bronze and iron. So, it seems to have been known about very early in human History.

Genesis 4:17 left without name

Here is scripture & thought on the matter for deeper questions that are taught on this issue.

Genesis 1:26-28, Genesis 2:7,8,15,16,18,21,22,23,24, notice in Genesis 1:27-28, says male & female & have dominion over & subdue over the sea, air, and living thing that moveth on the earth. Then HE put 'the man" in garden. Was this a certain man & his wife seperated in a special garden? Notice in Genesis 1:29 all fruit from every tree was good for meat. However in the Garden that HE planted Genesis Genesis 2:8-9, he put the man he had formed & breathed life into him & he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7,

Genesis 4:15 presence of other people,

Hebrews 13:8, John 1:1-5, Leviticus 18, establishes GOD's law, James 1:13-16,

Luke 1:69, Psalms 89:24-27, Titus 2:11-12, Hebrews 5,

Genesis 4:25,26, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, one lineage from Adam to Seth to Jesus recorded lineage of redemption Matthew, we are adopted heirs through Christ, Ephesians 1:5

Many agree this lineage was significant to show fall of mankind & redemption

John 21:25

Hopefully this is helpful to your question.

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Hi Rene Bourrier , John 21:25 says I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. So there simply isn't enough space, nor do we have enough time for Yahweh to have written everything down. There is no way we would have read everything nor have gotten the message. As it is, people still find The Bible too long to read, so why would Yah have made it longer? Instead he focused mostly on his people or the message that was at the core of the scriptures. We will know things that really doesn't matter like Cain's wife when we get into the kingdom. God bless you.

God is the creator!!! Therefore, I am sure HE provided for them!!! He is Holy and righteous in all His provisions!!!

Hi Rene Adam and Eve had daughters and the sons married the daughters the bloodline was a lot purer back then and that's an entirely different teaching. To this day Amish will marry second cousins. Remember eve is known as The mother of all living Gen.3:20.

How did Cain"s wife come in the picture, if Cain and Abel where the only people on the planet from from their parents, Adam and Eve?

This could be useful. "You (us) shall know the truth, and the truth sets us free." I'm thinking that: Not people, but spirits are on assignment in a room dedicated to Gods Word: the King James Bible.

So like last night I was about to go to bed, and the Holy Spirit said "contention".

If we read Psalms enough, we will see that King David occasionally was victim temporarily to sadness, anger at enemies, King Sauls relentless pursuit and many other issues. We work this stuff out by prayer and sometimes speaking the truth in the spirit of love, for the brethren.

Here is the origin of the spirit of contention. We need to recognize it's been busy in here for weeks. Lord, make me an instrument of Your Peace. Amen. Let's let the Spirit of Christ rule over our hearts.

Spirit of Jealousy: Manifestations:

Revenge-Spite, Anger-Rage, Jealousy, Hatred, Cruelty, Strife, Contention, Competition, Envy, Cause Divisions Scriptures; murder

( Genesis 4:4-6; 37:3,4,8; Proverbs 6:34; 10:12; 13:10; 14:16-17,29-30; 22:24-25; 27:4; 29:22-23; Numbers 5:14,30; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; Song of Solomon 8:6; Galatians 5:19)

Roots... "The Works of the Flesh," Galatians 5:19-21.

"By their fruits you will know all men," Matthew 7:20. According to Matthew 6:10; 11:12; 12:29; 16:18; 18:18; 28:18

BIND= Spirit of jealousy

LOOSE= Love of God, 1 Corinthians 13; Ephesians 5:2

Testimony: as a kid I lived in a household divided some ways. Me and my Dad were placid and peaceful. He was full-blood Cajun. I was a negotiator. My sister, the silent one. The others were fighting lots. Dynamics awful to live in. But you learn skills that are useful later on.

Michael the Archangel and Satan (a fired Archangel) contended for the body of Moses. Michael said, "THE LORD REBUKE THEE." Satan let go.

We have to recognize it for what it is. Let's all pray for these Comment Rooms. Lift them up and ask the Lord to bless them; attract unbelieving seekers of salvation in Peace.

Wait, wait. The unequally yoked rules originated with the Jews. Genesis 4:26, Genesis 6:2-6, Deuteronomy 7:1-29, 1 Kings 11:1-4, Malachi 2:15, Psalm 122:6, Genesis 12:1-3,

John 8:31, Matthew 27:11, John 18:33, Revelation 7:5

6th day creation,.. God made all the flesh races on the 6th day ,.. hunters , fishermen,.. etc,.. an he looked , an it was good, ( genius chapter 1 , last 4-5 paragraphs) he rested on the 7th day ,.. an then on the 8th day , he needed a farmer , one to till the land , of a blood line for Jesus to come threw ,.. an of course, satin has always tried to screw up Gods plan of salvation,.. failing of course in all ways ,.. nothing happens without our Fathers knowledge and control,..

peace

Adam & Eve lived to a ripe old age. It's not illegal for first cousins to wed 3rd cousins. It's just an observation, but the gene pool back in those times was much stronger.

You can see that by the Book of Leviticus 18 or in Deuteronomy; God set limitations on what others consider to be incest; intermarrying.

These laws were introduced not until Leviticus.

I think the books of the Laws are really interesting. Many food laws were for protection against death from pathogens from unrefrigerated foods, like pork. Eggs should be cooked and stored without refrig. because of salmonella, etc.

Hello, Myra this is a common question.

First, the Bible isn't big enough to capture every detail of history of the world, so some things have to be left out. For example, if doesn't discuss each person necessarily eating, drinking water, using a restroom, or bathing, but we can safely assume these things happened. But it shares the most important things.

So, the omission of Cain's wife is one of those things. Here are 2 theories commonly stated for where Cain found a wife:

1. Land of Nod Genesis 4:16-17

2. Eve had daughters and one became his wife

It was God's plan that everyone is related so incest wasn't a sin early on, but was how God wanted to populate the Earth.

Land of Nod idea means that God created more people but it wasn't disclosed in the Bible. If this is true, I don't believe it occurred until after they were banished from the garden. It says Adam and Eve were the first and also that all generations go back to Adam. This is just my current opinion. God bless.

If Adam and eve were the only people on earth and they had son s where did the wife come from that Cain married. im confused

Hi Dortha.

Here is the account in Genesis 4:16-17. And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

( AND CAIN KNEW HIS WIFE; )and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

The scripture says went out from the presence of the Lord, dwelleth in Nod and Knew his wife. it doesn't say he met her in Nod or he married a woman from Nod.

So it is reasonable to think he may have already been married when he killed his brother Abel.

God bless.