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Melva,

That is a great question. From my understanding, Enoch was taken by God to be with Him in heaven. But John 3:13 says no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven. I have never heard your question asked before but I can see where it might be raised (No pun intended). In John 3:13, Jesus is giving Nicodemus an answer to his question in Verse 9.

Jesus is saying that I am the only one that has come down from heaven, but if I tell you earthly things and you don't get it, and you are the master teacher, how will you understand spiritual things? Nicodemus should have associated the Lord's teaching to Ezekiel Chapter 37 Verses 1 through 15.

This is where God takes the prophet and He shows them a valley of dead bones and says this is Israel. Spiritually dead! And He says to him, prophecy over these bones that flesh would come on them. And the bones came together and the flesh came on the bones. And then He says prophecy to the wind that the wind would blow on them and breathe life in them. And he prophesies and the wind blows and they are filled with life and spirit.

And so God's promise to His people Israel is that you are spiritually dead until my Spirit gives you life. But right now you are spiritually dead! And He tells Nicodemus, you should have known what I was talking about. How can you be the master teacher in Israel and you don't know anything about being born from above? You don't know anything about the wind blowing, and how the spirit moves!

I guess if I were trying to see the difference between Enoch being taken to heaven, and Christ ascending into heaven, I would look at as God took Enoch. Enoch did not ascend up to heaven on his own. But Jesus did. He rose from the grave Himself. And He ascended up to heaven Himself. No man can do that, not even Enoch.

I believe on it. Where was he taken. Also when you read John 3:13. How does it apply?

God is total love!! he is there for you in these times of stressful days. worse then we ever felt before. everything we had before will come to attack us now because of the evil days we have come into. we are now starting the birth pains as the bible warned us before the second coming of our lord. the battle has started in the heavens above. fight we must. the control is only a start for us. prepare by reading the bible-- and praying as you never prayed before. we have to battle not only for ourselves but for our families, no matter what. do not give up. you have a mighty god who lives for you- and will fight with you. who has the strength of all his creations that surround you. go be with them. walk by them. pray as you never prayed before. love the lord when his light from the brightness of the sun shines into your very heart. talk to him. he will one day come down with all his glory. so magnificent and powerful that it will knock you off your feet.

stay close...fight the evil that tries and get near you. fight i say...fight!!!! but first-- ask your god to stand close in your battle...dont give up....fight harder!!! i know to be true. i fight for others and myself daily. for my dreams of the lord come strong. i have seen my god. after death...believe me when i say.. everything is truth.....

Are you saying there's a rapture

The Bible does not tell us how many. We know of at least three, Cain, Abel, and Seth. Genesis 5:4 tells us that there were many other sons and daughters, but we don't know how many. There were probably quite a few, as they lived a lot longer back then and childbearing years lasted way longer than today.

It was his sister, we know this Genesis 5:4.

In the modern traditional understanding of 'pastoring', there were no women pastors in the Bible. However, in understanding the word, Pastor (as with apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers), these were all gifts given by the Holy Spirit to certain believers (according to the Churches' need) for its support and edification. Pastor = Shepherd; so in a sense, you could have both genders fulfilling that role today, the women though limited to and having a special ministry to other women and children. Women have always had an important role in the Church, however, it was always the Elders and Deacons (brothers) that were appointed to be leaders/supporters in the Church.

All Christians are called to peace. Also, as much as is possible within you be at peace with everyone.
Caution: do not tell little children who ended it. Not till their 30's.
Personally, I think grounds for irreconcilable differences (as per Bible) is adultery (with either sex). and physical battery. I highly reccomend that you should seek Christian counciling first. Sometimes the couple can be reconciled to the marriage.
My personal thought is don't marry unbelievers! God forbid the Jews/Israelites to intermarry with other tribes. He had a good reason for saying that (idolatry).

No women pastors, however Deborah was a judge (leader) and prophetess. When the Lord can not find a man with a heart as pure as a woman the Lord can and does use a woman for his purpose.
Judges Chapter 4: 3 And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.

4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment. (she was the leader)

I used to think Deborah and Esther were used to turn directions. What do you think Bob?

Are there any women pastors in the Bible?

My initial comment disappeared. I did state that a wife would not be required to remain with an abusive husband. Though both the OT and NT are silent on this aspect of marriage, largely because women in that era were expected to be in the background and suffer in silence, when a believing wife has to undergo such suffering, then the option remains open to leave. 1Cor7:13 speaks of a woman's choice to leave an unbelieving husband (no indication of abuse here). She is advised to remain in the marriage if the husband is pleased for it to continue. But if she chooses to leave (then read on in my next comment)....

So this verse allows for the wife to leave her husband if he is unhappy with her (maybe because of her spirituality or references to his ungodliness), but v11 of the same chapter admonishes her, that if she were to leave, that she should remain unmarried. I understand that the Lord does not regard divorce after a lawful marriage but that the spouse is still married in the Eyes of the Lord. If he or she remarries, then adultery has been committed. So, I understand, that a wife can leave an abusive marriage but she should also choose to remain single.

If someone is suffering abuse in a marriage, I don't believe that the Lord would have that relationship continue. The Bible does not speak on this subject, as with the customs of that era, women generally remained silent in their suffering. The Bible does speak on divorce (both in the OT and NT) but not specifically on abuse in marriage. 1Cor7:13 refers to a Christian wife who is married to an unbeliever. The apostle urges her to not leave him if he is content to continue the relationship. And the blessings of that unequal yoke is described in v14. (see following comments).

Does The Lord want someone to stay with an abuser?

Jesus told them where to go and where not to go.

I think those of you who want to do some really deep study in Scripture would enjoy reading some of Dakes Commentary in the Dakes Bible. As always, Pray and ask the Holy Spirit to shine light and discernment on scripture and commentaries.

Go ye into all the world is something God will reveal to you. He will equip you. Be part of a gospel church do they can pray for you. Go ye May mean your own neighborhood, the neighbors, your family, a nursing home, local college. If you pray before you go, the Lord will bring people to you. Pray to the Lord of the harvest. Don't argue with people as it may harden their hearts against the gospel (birth, life, death and resurrection). Pray for your seeds to be rained on. Don't be discouraged when you are rejected; it is Jesus they are rejecting. Study to show yourself approved.

Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
I do not remember of the gospel ever being preached in China or Japan?

When the disciples were sent out to spread the Good News, how were they designated as to what part of the world they would minister?

Name seven steps to hell?

Thank you Stanjett for your comment. I have told her the scripture about the dragon of old. We will see where that goes. Yes she must choose! I will continue to witness as I feel that's God's purpose for us. Thank you again!

I would tell them that they can't have it both ways. Chose Christ and not the other.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mr. Hilt,
Thank your for your response. it's very much appreciated. The scripture in Job where God is talking to Job about the Leviathan (Dragon) and then referring to other scriptures including the ones you mentioned can be confusing to a new Christian, not to mention the one that is trying to make it understandable. Thank you again for responding.

so why did the gospel was preach both for the death and the living?

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Wish this was more helpful. Sorry

What do you say to a person that believes in God and believes in Jesus, but has an infatuation with dragons (the Leviathan)?

No baptism is meant only for the living because only the living can fulfill the will of God.

yes that was a sin