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2 Peter 3:9

This passage indicates that God is not slacking concerning His promise in regard to the day of the Lord. This would be indicative of a number of promises.

First of all; this would be the immediate reception in heaven after our resurrection or rapture when we would be glorified; and recieve the reward for our service or lack thereof throughout our earthly sojourn. As I have repeated many times; Revelation 3:11 warns us about another taking our rewards; and that comes after the verse immediately preceding about the Philadelphia church escaping the trial which will come upon the "whole world."

Secondly; we have the whole Body of Christ which returns as the armies of heaven along with Christ in Revelation 19; and rules and reigns with Christ in Revelation 20 during the Millennial period (and also throughout all eternity in the new heavens and earth in Rev. 21.)

Thirdly; we have the physical changes on the earth and the restoration of the animal kingdom with the WOLF laying down with the lamb (not the lion as is a common misnomer but that is certainly possible as well in verses such as Isaiah 11:6). The final change in Revelation 21 will involve once again as was in he beginning one land mass with the removal of the sea.

Finally; of course we will have Satan's restraint and after the 1000 years final punishment. Perhaps this is the most underappreciated aspect of the change. After all the art of war will no longer be pursued at this point ( Micah 4:3). What the enemy would love to reflect in today's world system is the external glamor of earthly gems and jewels; physical beauty; power; influence; control; hypnotic trance through music; media; drugs and whatever means an "equal opportunity destroyer" would fathom to blind men to the truth will be gone; the veil lifted from their eyes ( 2 Cor. 4:3-4). This evil has caused all creation to groan ( Rom. 8:22); along with the accumulated sin and decay of a fallen creation awaiting restoring.

Hi Spencer GBU....But the new covenant is all inclusive.... Jeremiah 31:34 I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...and their sins and iniquities will i remember no more...That New Covenant is by the blood of Jesus...If i be lifted up ( his blood ) I will draw ALL MEN unto me...Thats everybody...An all inclusive Covenant.

Matthew 20:1-16....The vineyard...Some were hired early and some were hired late...But in the end they were ALL HIRED....And given the same wages....The last shall be 1st and the 1st shall be last....But they were all given the same wages from the 1st to the last...Which is the Kingdom....Thats y Jesus is saying if i be lifted up ( The Cross )..I will draw ALL men unto me......ALL MEN

Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every Creature... Mark 16:15...And his words cannot return unto him void....But the book the N.C. has to be opened 1st....b/f the Kingdom comes in Rev 12 :10...We have to birth the manchild which is the H.G....That New Creature....Thats y he is saying the 1st shall be last and the last 1st...indicative of this 2k yr period of darkness coming to an end...I am the light of the world but the night comes darkness when no man can work....

In Isaiah 11:11.. He saw an ocean of knowledge covering the earth as the waters covering the seas thats everybody ...And this knowledge is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in everybody....Thats y Jeremiah saw ALL MEN in travail and birth pains as woman in travail....Simply b/c this Knowledge is an intimacy....Thats y he has to know us which answers to tree of knowlege in Gen. and this ocean of knowledge covering the earth in Isaiah 11...He is gonna know everybody resulting in a birth of Christ in us Everybody...ok lemme go.... Jeremiah 31:34 I will know them ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST and their sins and iniquites will i remember no more....And its God Almighty that is making this new covenant with the blood of Jesus... if i be lifted up I..will.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening WOLVES.

Isaiah 11:6 The WOLF ALSO SHALL DWELL WITH THE LAMB ....

Hebrews 2:8 ...we see NOT YET ALL THINGS PUT UNDER HIM .....

1 Timothy 4:10 ...who is the saviour of ALL MEN (sheep and wolves), specially those that believe (sheep).

Some of GODS WORDS TO MEDITATE ON

Isaiah 14:29 For out of the serpent's (Satan) root shall come forth a cockatrice, and HIS FRUIT shall be a flying fiery serpent.

Isaiah 30:6 .....from whence come the young and old lion, the viper, and the flying fiery serpent .....

Isaiah 11:8 AND THE SUCKLING CHILD shall play on the hole of the asp, and the WEANED CHILD shall put his hand on the cockatrice's den.

Some WORDS OF GOD TO MEDITATE ON

We have 3 great signs of the Godhead the Trinity....Not just Abraham Isaac and Jacob but also Jesse David and Solomon thats y Jesus says he is the Root and the offspring of David...Which is a Father Son and Granson Scenario....In Isaiah 11:1 and 11:11 Isaiah speaks of a Kingdom coming in that last days when God will set his hand again a 2 nd time to recover his ppl as a Jesse David n Solomon type of a kingdom...And when Isaiah made this statement it was approx. 250 yrs after Jesse David and Solomon had all 3 died....But Isaiah was still using these 3 men as symbolic Language of a kingdom coming in the last days....And here is the kicker...Jesse David and Solomon were Father son and Granson.. Isaiah 11:11...And thats y Jesus is saying he was the root and the offspring of David the bright and morning star Rev.22:16...Simply b/c the heavenly Kingdom is a Father Son and Granson scenario that will result in an Israel of God which are spirits but living beings that are gona be born in us....Thus Jesus is truly the father of the H.G...Simply b/c the H.G. cannot be born in us without his seed...Thats y he has to know us that we might be bornagain of an incorruptible seed...Which are his living words of that New Covenant that book he wrote with his own blood...Rev.1:5 Unto him that has loved and has washed us from our sins in his own blood etc....There cd not have been a natural Israel without this Abraham Isaac and Jacob Trinity scenario....Like wise there cannot be a heavenly Trinity without this Davidic Trinity scenario...As Isaiah tells us in isaiah 11:11....In the last days God will send this Jesse David and Solomon TYPE kingdom to gather his pp a 2 nd time....But Isaiah is just using this Jesse David n Solomon as prophetic of a Kingdom coming again in the last days.. this Jesse David n Solomon is really the Father Son and H.G...The very Kingdom of God....These scriptures in Isaiah 11 proves that the Heavenly Trinity is truly a father son and Granson scenario ..GBU

Alex1939...The New Covenant the book in the right hand of the Father is a much different Covenant then the old Covenant...The O.C. was many are called but few are CHOSEN...But this N.C. is by the blood of Jesus...If i be lifted up ( his blood ) i will draw all men unto me... Jeremiah 31:34 This is the Covenant i will make with the house of Israel in those days...I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest...And their sins and iniquities will i remember no more.

While we were yet sinners Christ died for us...Thats everybody...He makes his Son/sun and rain to fall on everybody.

And i was found in them that sought me NOT thats everybody..As our carnal minds is the very enemy of God wanting to know nothing of God...And i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...He died for everybody

And they shall ALL ALL be taught of God..Thats everybody...When he fed the multitudes he did not cull not 1 single person...And he fed them all with a CHILDS LUNCH...The H.G. She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations the H.G. THAT child of Promise...Unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.

The 1st Adam is not like the 2 nd Adam..Just as the curse of the 1st Adam was applied to everybody no exceptions..The blessings and the blood of the 2 nd Adam has to be applied to everybody...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me....I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...Thats y John saw a number that no man cd number standing before the Throne clothed with white raiment .....Simply b/c that great Promise was that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven... Gen 22:16...And God was so passionate about this Promise that he swore by himself..Thats y Jesus was saying to whom the word came it made them Gods...And the scripture cannot be broken.

Remember that Tree of knowledge which is symbolic of that Ocean of Knowledge in Isaiah 11:9 an Intimacy.

Interesting. Thanks for the study.

I also found it's used with the HOLY Spirit in Old Testament in Isaiah 63:10, Holy: translation as ( qodesh )

with searching site word search & then referenced Strongs Exhaustive Concordance on site.

& Isaiah 11:12 as And the Spirit, of the LORD (Yhovah) transliteration (Yhvh)

Spirit (ruwach) used 3 times in same verse, prophetic of Jesus CHRIST, awesome

Alex1939...Alexis M...May i give ya my view of Isaiah 60:22...A lil one shall become a 1000 and small one a strong nation...I the lord will hasten it in its time...This is the multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed the word sown in humanity...The Sower and his seed...The Children of Promise...An Israel of God is that strong nation... Gal 6:16...There has to be an Israel of God via the seed of Jesus...I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven... Gen 22:16...Which are spirits the H.G many ...The Children of Promise that are gonna be as the stars of heaven in multitudes...Thats y he has to know us...That he might sow his incorruptible seed in our hearts...That Christ might be formed in us...Its gonna start with a lil one...one lil one is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Just as Jesus was just a lil one but he was multiplied and became as the stars of heaven... a number no man cd number John saw,simply b/c of his seed the words of the book that he wrote with his own blood...That New Covenant...I will know them all from the least to the greatest...This (Know them all is an intimacy) that is gona result in a birth of Christ in everybody...Isaiah speaks of a knowledge ( an intimacy ) that is gona cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...In Isaiah 11:9...Thats y he has to know us...Thats y the Woman is giving birth...And that y we must be bornagain of his incorruptible seed...Thus Christ will truly be multiplied as the stars of heaven in humanity....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin....He has a seed to sow in humanity...Thus our new heart and new spirit..Thus the babes and sucklings...The Israel of God...ok lemme go...Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains...a time of Jacobs trouble that heavenly Jacob the H.G... Jeremiah 30:6 ..

Amen Gerald....Only the H.G. the anointing can teach us everything...1 st John 2:27....YOU NEED NO MAN TEACH YOU but the ANOINTING you have received of him will teach all things and abide in him...which is the H.G.

As Jesus told Peter Flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you..but my Father in heaven...It cannot be learned via our carnal minds...or any Church Pastor...Its gotta be our internal Pastor the H.G...Thats y God gives us the gift of the H.G. TO LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH....Even ISAIAH 11:6 ...Tells us a little Child is gonna lead them...Which is the Child of PROMISE the H.G.

..... John 16:13 When he the spirit of truth is come he will lead you into all truth...He will not speak of himself simply b/c he has to be born in US.. he is just an infant and infants cannot speak for a season...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child a heavenly Birth....As Jesus said that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit which is the H.G. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH...K Leme go

.....There are over 2000 different kinds Churches and on every corner and none of them teach the same thing simply b/c they don't have the H.G. TO TEACH THEM...The anointing... Their God is Sports and the dollar...Gain is godliness etc and money is ministry...from such turn away...Bro Paul...Remember Peter said silver and gold havei none but such as i have give i to thee.

Alex1939...Ellix2u I agree with you some what...But we have to birth the Child which is the H.G. that Child of Promise.. but when the book ( that New Covenant ) is opened...We will all travail in birth pains...As Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Its gonna happen automatically after tHE BOOK IS OPENED...We answer to the woman in Rev 12:10 that is giving birth to the Children of the Kingdom which are spirits An Israel of God which is the H.G. God is gonna pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...We dont have anything to do with it as our carnal minds is the very ENEMY of God..

.....This New Covenant is different then the O.C...Thats y Romans 8:5 is telling us ...While we were yet sinners Christ died for ALL of us...Its not according to the O.C... Jeremiah 31:34...God Almighty gave us this N.C. Saying I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...If I be lifted up I will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME...When he took the cup he said this is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it...Which took place on Calvary...I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...What a Covenant, I kiss you my son Jesus...Its all his doings...But there is a Child involved b/c of his seed the words of the book....Ya gotta realize he has to KNOW US..We can only birth this Child via his seed the living word the contents of the book that he wrote with his own blood that N.C...Remember that tree of KNOWLEDGE.

.....That which is Perfect is yet to come on the 3 rd day...I will be perfected on the 3 rd day...Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has PERFECTED PRAISE...Unless you receive this Kingdom OF God as a lil Child you will in NO WISE ENTER THERE. IN... Isaiah 11:9....Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...I will know (knowledge an intimacy ) them all from the least to the greatest...Thus the Woman giving birth to the Children...The babes and sucklings our new heart n new spirit.

Not a who yet more of a what.. Isaiah 11:1-3

Ephesians 3:5, Matthew 1, Luke 1, Luke 2, Mark 1, Psalms 22, Isaiah 53, Isaiah 11:2, Zechariah 13:6,

Matthew 16:13-17, Luke 4:40,41, Matthew 15:29-38, Isaiah 42:1-7, Matthew 12:17-23,

Luke 24:6,7,15,16,27, in context Luke 24, Luke 23,

Hopefully these are helpful

Anonymous...Alex...Plz note the woman does not go into birth pains till the book is opened...And thats when they sang that New Song...( the New Covenant a birthing covenant that he wrote with his own blood.. we ALL must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed..via the words of the book in the fathers right hand...The woman has faith simply b/c she is with Child of the seed of Jesus the contents of the book...The woman is the world as Jesus said the field is the world where that the good seed will be sown... Jeremiah 30:6 Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains.

.....The Woman has the substance of things hoped for ( the Kingdom ) The evidence of things not seen ( the Children of Promise ) ...Remember the great promise Christ has to be multiplied as the stars of heaven...thus all men in travail and birth pains...Thus Faith is truly a spiritual pregnancy preceding a spiritual birth of Christ in us...The Son of Man...Man kinds fruit unto God as in Romans 7 :4...WE must be married to Christ and bring forth fruit unto God which is the Child of Promise the H.G.

......Remember Isaiah 11:9...Isaiah saw an intimacy a Knowledge covering the earth as the waters covering the seas...Thus all men are gona travail in birth pains...Which is the very same as Jeremiah 31:34 Gods new Covenant i will KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST...This Know them all is an intimacy with God that is gonna result in a heavenly Birth...But b/f the birth takes place the only thing we have is Faith the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....the Child of PROMISE...The H.G. is the Child of PROMISE...When Jesus said behold i send the Promise of my Father upon you it was baptism of the H.G...Via his words which are his seeds..Thats y he mentions the babes and sucklings...our new hearts and spirits...ok lemme go

Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The words of our Lord.

In Isaiah 11:2 Spirit of wisdom, Spirit of the Lord, Spirit of understanding, Spirit of counsel and might, Spirit of knowledge, and the fear of the Lord.

Leviticus 23, goodly branch = large, considerable, pleasing in appearance

interestingly you have symbolism here also

Branch : Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1, John 15, Jeremiah 33:15,

Prophetic : John 12, notice John 12:1, John 12:13,16, Hebrews 10, Colossians 2:16-17,

Hopefully helpful

HI Ducan.

I agree the apostacy has already started.

However when Christ comes the second time he will come in judgement, He didn't come as the Holyghost as some suggest.

Matthew 24:15. hasn't happened yet.

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Neither has Matthew 24:27-31.

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. "The elect here I believe is Israel" Isaiah 45:4. Isaiah 11:12. Jeremiah 23:3. Psalms 107:2-3.

The Holyspirit was always in the world, but believers weren't baptized by the spirit until AFTER Christ was risen from the dead.

But the second coming of Christ reads like this.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Matthew 24:36-44.

There is some amongst us who believes there is no Hell and we all will be saved and become Gods!!

This is the climax of their theology.

GB.

Living soul, Genesis 2:7, Genesis 9:5, Isaiah 11:6-9,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

There are believers that believe they also minister to creatures. Interestingly there are many events in Scripture that show obedience to GOD ALMIGHTY & even accountability. Starting with Genesis 9:5, Proverbs 12:10, 1Samuel 6:7-15, 1Kings 13, Numbers 22, Daniel 6, Isaiah 65:25, Isaiah 11:6-9,

James 1:5-7,

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Dickens you do greatly err...The Father and the son are 1 only in the Spiritline...The Father neva died, It was only the son that died so they are clearly 2 distinct beings...But the Son and the Father are 1 only in their relationship as Father and Son...Even in the natural we are 1 with our Fathers....We carry our Father's last name simply b/c we are 1 bloodine....Jesus carried the same spirit/Bloodline as his father...Remember the Father neva died....As Jesus said that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit...So Spirits can be born in us and are individual and have different names but they are all Sons of God...Thats y the bible speaks of an Israel of God which are spirits that are gonna be born in us...And are gonna be as the stars of heaven in multitudes....The very fact that God refers to himself as Father is indicative of multiplication of his spirit.... Joel 2:28 says that God is gona pour out of his spirit on all flesh...Thus everybody is gona get a Seed which is the LIVING WORD a measure of faith...The Father is only greater b/c he is the FATHER OF SPIRITS...The H.G. plural Spirits are the Gifts of God...They are all 3 related as FATHER SON AND GRANSON...Just like ABRAHAM ISSAC AND JACOB WERE FATHER SON AND GRANSON...That were mutiplied as the sands of the seas...God wd NOT have told Moses that his Name was Abraham Issac and Jacob if the Godhead was not a Trinity...God tells Moses that is my Name and my memorial forever to all Generations..Thus there has to be an Israel OF God.

.....In Isaiah 11:1 Which was approx. 250 yrs after Jesse David and Solomon had all died...Isaiah is using these 3 men as symbolic of a kingdom coming in the last days... Isaiah 11:11 is saying that this Jesse David and Solomon is coming again a 2 nd time which is symbolic of the Father Son and H.G. Which is Father Son and Granson...Thats y Jesus is saying he is the root and the offspring of DAVID...Impling the Davidic Kingdom was a type of the heavenly Kingdom..Father Son and Granson.

Isaiah 11...Tells us about a knowledge that is gonna cover this earth as the waters cover the seas...In Isaiah 11:9....This Knowledge is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in us....Thats y Jesus was so solid on knowing us....He has to know us thats when the good seed is sown in our hearts...The words of that New Covenant are the good seeds....Thats y Jesus said the good seed are the words of God...impling Gods New Covenant...Thats y he has to know us....And this knowledge an (intimacy) that is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas....Thats y Jeremiah saw all the world in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30:6....We are all gonna birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. that spirit of truth...Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of man....Mankind has to bring forth fruit unto God... Romans 7:4 which is the HG. That Child of PROMISE...

.....Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me.... Rev 12 :5 She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations...The Child is Spirit the H.G. ...the multiplication of Christ...That was the great Promise that Christ Jesus wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thats y we refer to the H.G as the Child of Promise...he is the multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed his breathe his words that are spirit and life....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Plz note the kingdom of God does not come till the woman the world births the Manchild the H.G that Child of Promise REV.12:10...OK Lemme go....let me just add this 27 times in the O.T. the Prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains...ok...The world the woman is gonna be saved in child birth....The CHILD being the H.G.

This Psalm has many in depth descriptions of judgment including the final judgment of man.

I would call it more of a "declaratory" Psalm rather than "impreccatory" as it is more of a cause and effect statement of man's state of reaping what they sow. There seems to be no specific enemy of David that is being referred to here.

Verses 3 and 4 remind us of Psalm 23 where "in the presence of my enemies" a table is set before God ( Psalm 23:5). This verse is often lost; it seems in the theme of reassurance that people like to glean here (perhaps an uncomfortable verse for those who don't like to see this side of God's character).

Verses 5 and 6 remind us of Armageddon; as well as other verses such as Isaiah 14:17 on Antichrist. Verses 7 through 12 describe the justice of God's rule such as will be during the Millennium ( Isaiah 11:4). Verse 13 and 14 could also apply in some ways to Christ's suffering to death under His enemies and His return to the eastern gates ( Psalm 24:7); or perhaps the state David felt in constantly facing the threat (but never the actuality) of his enemies killing him.

Verses 15-17 are like many other cross references as well; with the first mention in Psalms of hell (v. 17). It is interesting to note that those nations who "forget God" are also included with the wicked unregenerate in particular. That indites places like the USA who have familiarity with the Gospel but not a "love of the truth." ( 2 Thess. 2:9-12).

The end (verse 18-20) once again show the nations fearing God and the needy "not always forgotten." That surely would indicate a state in the Millennium as even Christ said "the poor you always have with you." ( Matt. 26:11). Even in that verse; Christ takes precedence over all things; as He is the one to overcome and Lord of all. (see again Isaiah 11:4 and many other passages in that book for further insight).

Hello Aljenon....In Isaiah 11 :1 ...Also the Davidic Kingdom was Jesse David and Solomon....They were all 3 related as Father Son and Granson.... Isaiah 11 :1....And Isaiah uses these 3 men as symbolic language for a Kingdom that is coming the last day when God will gather the remnant of his ppl... Isaiah 11:11....The rod that came out of Jesse was David the son and the branch that came out of David was Solomon the Granson....And God wd not let David the son build that great temple...God wd only allow Solomon the Granson to build the temple..... Isaiah is using this Father Son and Granson scenario to describe a kingdom coming in the last days that is gona judge this whole world in righteousness....And Jesus identifies with this Jesse David and Solomon Kingdom saying i am the root and the offspring of David...The bright and the morning star.. Rev 22:16 kjv

......And this Isaiah 11 was written approx. 250 yrs after that Jesse,..David and Solomon had long died....But Isaiah is still using these 3 men as symbolic language for a kingdom coming the last days....And this was a Father Son and Granson type of Kingdom coming in the last days.... Isaiah 11:11 kjv....Thus an Israel of God wd have to follow soon.

..... Isaiah 11:1...There shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse which was David the son and a branch shall come out of his roots which was Solomon the Granson...ok lemme go

Hi Gigi.

Part 4.

In Revelation 19:17-21 you see the parallel verse " Where the eagles gather as mentioned in

Matthew 24:28.

No mention of the removal of saints. If the saints were raptured and everyone else cast into hell and this is the last day on earth as you presented Who's going to populate the Millennium?

In Revelation 20 you see the Millennium reign of Christ and the great white throne judgment.

Let's use Daniel 12:13 you provided to see who the elect is in these scriptures.

Daniel 12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time THY PEOPLE shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Who's Daniels people? Israel.

Who's gathered from the four corners of the earth? Israel.

Isaiah 11:9-12.

Ezekiel 34:11-14.

Daniel is not talking about the Church.

The tribulation will drive Israel to their Messiah.

Hosea 5:15. I will go and return to my place, TILL THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR OFFENCE, AND SEEK MY FACE: IN THEIR AFFLICTION THEY WILL SEEK ME EARLY.

Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

For I say unto you, YE SHALL NOT SEE ME HENCEFORTH, TILL YE SHALL SAY, BLESSED IS HE THAT COMETH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

This means when they behold him as a nation.

God bless.

Hiya Marsha...Plz let me give ya this bit of information....When Moses was on the back side of the desert in Exodus 3:15....God tells Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob and my memorial to all Generations....And this was after that Abraham had already offered up his only son Issac and Moses knew this very well....But this speaks volumes of a Kingdom coming that wd be a Father Son and Grandson type of kingdom just like Abraham Issac and Jacob where the son wd be offered up resulting in the multiplication of that son that wd be as the stars of Heaven in multitude saving this whole world.

......I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven in multitudes... Genesis 22:17....Thus an Israel of God fathered by a Trinity.

......If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me....An Israel of God that cannot sin...Simply b/c they are born of God.

.....Thus Abraham Issac and Jacob are truly a picture of the Godhead as a Trinity....3 Distinct beings but the 1 singular FATHER of Israel....And they became as the sands of the seas in multitudes....Just like Jesus is gonna be multiplied as the stars of Heaven in multitudes....Thus the sower and his precious seed...The words of that New Covenant...The Book that he wrote with his own blood.

.......Marsha if you read Isaiah 11 :1 ....You will see Isaiah who lived approx. 200 yrs after Jesse David and Solomon had long Died....Is still using this Jesse, David and Solomon kingdom as a kingdom coming in the last days When God sets his hand a 2 nd time to recover the remnant of his ppl...In Isaiah 11:11 kjv....Isaiah was still using this Father Son and Granson language for a kingdom coming again the last day....That 2 nd coming ...God wd not let David the son build that great Temple....God wd only let Solomon the Granson build the temple....B/c Solomon is symbolic of the 3 rd person the H.G. THAT IS GONNA BUILD THE TEMPLE IN MANS HEARTS....A greater then Solomon is here Jesus said....I will give them a new heart and etc.

Perhaps the questions arise because of teachings not actually in scripture.

John 17, Please read whole chapter, Isaiah 11:1,2, John 3:16, Matthew 10:32,33,

Ephesians 4:30, Luke 11:13, Ephesians 1:1-13, Ephesians 1:17-23, Matthew 24:35,36,

John 14:26, John 16:7,

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Thanks for your further comments, Paul.

To the 'two sticks being joined together', I can't offer any more on that, since I read the Ezekiel chapter differently to you & apply the meaning of the sticks to Israel & Judah, as the whole chapter is about people not books.

I wouldn't be able to comment whether certain people are from a particular tribe of Israel. Unless people can do a verifiable research to trace their ancestry to such a distant point, I generally leave off that discussion as I see it going nowhere and we end up with just opinions.

"Is the Bible gathering Israel?" By this I understand, is there a clear thread running through the Bible of Israel one day coming together & worshipping the LORD in Truth? There are several references to this: Jeremiah 31:31-34; Deuteronomy 30:1-6; Isaiah 41:8,9; Isaiah 11:10-12, are some of the Scriptures about the future re-gathering of Israel. There are of course, many references to Israel's other regatherings, i.e. from the captivities, etc.

Re: your belief in "both Bible & Mormon". Without even looking at the Book of Mormon (BOM) now, we just need to study the utterances of those men I mentioned previously, which should cause one to balk at the very nature of these men & the beliefs surrounding the LDS. If the Apostle Paul came out with an epistle speaking about the moon being inhabited by six foot men dressed like Quakers, I would look at Paul with great suspicion as also his other letters & probably wonder how much other falsehoods are found in the Bible. We can't isolate the BOM from what that church's leaders believed & taught, however ignorant they might have been of the truth. Just as today, both the preachers' words & the words of the Bible are weighed in together - and one or both might stand or fall as a result.

Steve Gbu.....The trinity is very simple....Its Father Son and Granson that is gonna become as the Stars of heaven in multitudes....If ya can understand Abraham Issac and Jacob.... Remember Abraham offered up his only son Issac.. who does that remind us of, God the Father that offered up his only son Jesus....That ram caught in the thicked by his horns was symbolic of Christ and his Crown of thorns....And out of Issac came Jacob and Esau....Outta of Christ came the Wheat the H.G. and the Tares came out of Satans seed....Remember Jacob was the Granson and outta of Jacob came the 12 tribes...The great nation of Israel....But now under this new covenant, its the H.G...The 3 rd person that is the Israel of God...That heavenly Jacob in Isaiah 48 kjv is a picture of Israel of God...The sun nor any kind of heat can lite on them simply b/c they are spirits...As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit...Thats the H.G. the Israel of God....God Almighty told Moses that his name was ABRAHAM ISSAC AND JACOB...Simply b/c the Godhead is a picture of Abraham Issac and Jacob....Just as Abraham was multiplied as the sands of the seas so Almighty God will be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thats y the Sower of the good seed wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts...That he might be multiplied as the stars of heaven..Thats y Jesus refers to the H.G. as the Promise the multiplication of Jesus...His offspring an Israel of God...Thats y jesus is saying to whom the word came..(His seed ) it made them Gods and the scriptures cannot be broken..

.....And also the Davidic kingdom was Jesse, David and Solomon....Father, Son and Granson...In Isaiah 11:1 we read of a heavenly Kingdom coming in the last days....Isaiah describes it as a Jesse, David and Solomon type kingdom coming in the last days when God wd gather his ppl a 2 nd Time a 2nd coming...As the H.G. cannot be born in us without the seed of Christ thus Christ is truly the father of the H.G..He has to know us.

Revelation 5: Focus on the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 4:5 also discusses the seven Spirits of God along with Revelation 5:6. Apparently; Isaiah 11:2 is a commonly referred to cross reference; although technically it involves 6 ministries under the Lord Himself (as the 7th); it does fit in a sort of Menorah picture of how the Spirit operates in the entire corporate Body. We see a further description in Zechariah 4:2-3 of this source (apparently now in heaven); and the two prophets that tap into this power as witnesses throughout the earth in the end times. That can be studied further in Revelation 11.

It would seem that the seven spiritual gifts also would be in play here as to the emphasis given to a given church. This would be seen in Romans 12:6-8. In general; it seems that there are certain strengths and weaknesses that are commonplace depending on what gifts we have and that could factor into the overall situation as to the state of a congregation; what trials a particular congregation may or may not be called to suffer; doctrinal errors that creep in; etc. It is important to see the interdependence here so that the church isn't imbalanced

( 1 Cor. 12:14-16). In fact; we also see seven gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12:8-11. It is important to differentiate between the fruit of the Spirit (love; joy; peace; longsuffering; etc) in Galatians 5:22-22 which characterizes the lives of all true believers and the particular ministries they have. We can't have one without the other. The common thread; of course is the love of God and brethren as seen in John 13:34-35; and reflected in 1 Corinthians 13 (entire chapter). Apparently; gifts can operate even with immature saints just as some could believe at one time without understanding the indwelling Holy Spirit such in Acts 19:1-4.

In conclusion; God distributes as He will or "severally" ( 1 Cor. 12:11). In obedience because we love Christ ( John 14:15) we have the right attitude to grow.

Hi Leslie.

I concur with Richard, This period will be during the Millennium reign of Christ. This is a literal reign here on earth.

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 11:9

God bless.

Hiya Leslie....I love that Isaiah 11....All these animals are symbolic of ppl, humanity that have given birth to this lil Child which is the H.G. The Child of Promise that is leading them to his Holy Mountain.... Hebrews 12:22....Ye are come unto mount ZION the city of the living God....That HEAVENLY JERUSALEM...ETC....Thats y Isaiah is saying a lil Child is gonna lead them....Which is the spirit of truth the kingdom that is gonna reprove the whole world as Jesus said.

......All these animals are just symbolic of ppl and their animalistic natures....All these animals are ppl that have been converted to this lil Child....which is the H.G. that is leading them....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in....We all must birth a lil Child which is the H.G....Thats y he has to KNOW US.

Thats y Isaiah 11:6 is telling us about KNOWLEDGE.. He has to KNOW US in order for the good seed to be sown in us resulting in a birth, the kingdom has to come via a lil Child which is the H.G. the Child of Promise

......Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas which is an intimacy with Christ the bridegroom....Remember when God told Jeremiah about the New Covenant....God said i will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest which is gona result in a heavenly birth....As Jeremiah saw all the world in travail and birth pains....In fact 27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw this world in travail and birth pains....Which is the result of this knowledge that is gonna cover the Earth....O thank you Jesus for this knowledge your intimacy with humanity....Thus all men will be bornagain....I will KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST....OK Gotta go do my Walk...GBU ALL