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help learning and understanding KJV. Respectfully: Robert Hardy

Short answer ,It wasn't added because it wasn't appealing to the Heathen .The Apocrypha tells you exactly who ESAU is.. However, shout-out to Biblical Israel ( Isaiah 11:12:And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the Dispersed of JUDAH from the four corners of the earth.). Our redemption is near . (Baruch 2:30 For I knew that they would not hear me, because it is a stiffnecked people: but in the land of their Captivities they shall remember themselves.) HalleluYah. P.s. shout-out to the Gentiles who accept and preach Truth.

This is what I understand to be true after doing a little reading in my study bible.

The Davidic kingdom to be restored by Christ : it's character and extent

Isaiah 11 This chapter is a prophetic picture of the glory of the future kingdom, which will be set up when David's son returns in glory.

Luke 1: 31-32; Acts 15:15-16

Isaiah 11:9 -10 They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,

For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD

As waters cover the sea.

"And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse,

Who shall stand as a banner to the people;

For the Gentiles shall seek Him,

And His resting place shall be glorious."

How Crist will set up the kingdom

Isaiah 11:11-12

It shall come to pass in that day

That the LORD shall set His hand again the second time

To recover the remnant of

His people who are left,

From Assyria and Egypt,

From Pathros and Cush,

From Elam and Shinar,

From Hamath and the islands of the sea. He will set up a banner for the nations,

And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,

And gather together the dispersed of Judah

From the four corners of the earth.

Habakkuk 2:14

For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD As waters cover the sea.

Zechariah 12:8 "In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them."

The moral characteristics of the kingdom are to be righteousness and peace. The meek, not the proud , will inherit the earth; longevity will be greatly increased; the knowledge of the LORD will be universal;

beast-ferocity will be removed;

absolute equity will be enforced; and open sin will be visited with instant judgement; whereas the enormous majority of earth's inhabitants will be saved Psalms 2:9; Isaiah 11:4,6-9; 26:9; 65:20; Zacharia 14:16-21

The NT Revelation 20:1-5 adds a detail of immence significance

The Holy Spirit which you cannot remove, reveal to Gods people Jesus is the Lamb that was slain for our sins on the cross, like a lamb He (Jesus ) didn't open His mouth.

Jesus is coming back soon this time as the triumphant King, the Lion

Jesus is also the Lion!

The Holy Word is prophetic and revealed to those who has His Spirit by giving Jesus the throne in your heart.

In the 1000 years reign as King, the lamb ( Jesus) and the Lion (Jesus) is together in Jesus the same.

The Wolf is the enemy, antichrist, who will deceive people to recognize him as the King of the World, not so.

Revelation 22:19

[19]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book........

The Holy Spirit which you cannot remove, reveal to Gods people Jesus is the Lamb that was slain for our sins on the cross, like a lamb He (Jesus ) didn't open His mouth.

Jesus is coming back soon this time as the triumphant King, the Lion

Jesus is also the Lion!

The Holy Word is prophetic and revealed to those who has His Spirit by giving Jesus the throne in your heart.

In the 1000 years reign as King, the lamb ( Jesus) and the Lion (Jesus) is together in Jesus the same.

The Wolf is the enemy, antichrist, who will deceive people to recognize him as the King of the World, not so.

Revelation 22:19

[19]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book........

And the lion shall lie down with the lamb." - Contemporary Quote, Not Bible. I would say that 99% of the people you ask would say that this quote can be found in the Bible. I went to the Bible to find the source. Yes, I knew exactly where in Isaiah to go, but to my disappointment it wasn't there. And so I checked different versions; King James, New King James, NIV, NAS, and others. Not in any of those either. So what's the story?

Like many of today's sayings, such as "you cannot change a leopard's spots", "pride goes before a fall", "a drop in the bucket", the quote "the lion shall lie down with the lamb" does have its origins in the Bible. However, the saying has morphed over the centuries to what we see and hear today. The original concept comes from these two passages in the book of Isaiah.

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them." - Isaiah 11:6 NKJV

"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, the lion shall eat straw like the ox." - Isaiah 65:25 NKJV

So the quote is more closely, "the wolf shall lie down with the lamb" or "the leopard shall lie down with the lamb". But of course, given that the lion is considered to be the king of beasts, and creates a greater contrast between predator and prey, the lion won the day. And so today when we seek peace, we look to the image put forth by the quote the lion shall lie down with the lamb as our picture of heaven.

Posted in contemporary quotes

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Could you share which Bible you're reading it as, 'lion and lamb'? Does this affect Isaiah 66:25 as well? I would like to think that I'm not blinded because of such error - that's why I ask you to show me where I can find 'lion and lamb'. If there has been a change, where/when was it done?

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Isaiah 11:6 should say 'Lion and Lamb' NOT wolf and other changes are also in this book changed by satan it is not the Books of our Lord any more. For those whom want to rebuke or argue about this ......, well I'm sorry you are blinded. For the rest of those seeing this watch for the many changes and follow your heart with a lot of prayers to our Lord for His truth already in your heart. The famine is here, the famine for His Word. Amen

Brother Chris, man nor anything else can exist without LIFE and there is only one LIFE and that LIFE is Christ.

All creation has CHRIST IN YOU. They believe they have life of and in themselves, their deceived.

If Christ removed himself, man would cease to exist.

Creation's problem is they have no KNOWLEDGE, their void of TRUTH.

Christ came to destroy the works of the devil.

When Christ has put all thing under his feet, God will be ALL IN ALL.

Ephesians 4:6 There is one God and Father of all, and above all, and through all, and IN YOU ALL.

ALL CREATION, but they have no KNOWLEDGE.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount ZION to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the KNOWLEDGE of the Lord, as the ware covers the seas.

Brother Chris You and I and all the elect of God with our brother and Lord, Jesus Christ, are going to CAUSE this to happen when ALL MANKIND is resurrected back to their flesh, and JUDGED by the TRUTH of God's word. And God WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

Sister GiGi, I agree with Rick, Christ was born a man like unto us.

He received the Spirit at the baptism by John. That's why he told John it was of necessity to be baptised by him.

The Spirit, as the likeness of a dove, was visible evidence of this baptism of Spirit.

In Isaiah we have the prophecy;

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Isaiah 11:2 And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom, and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord;

Isaiah 11:3 And make him of QUICK UNDERSTANDING of the fear of the Lord ....

Jesus was GIVEN this as a MAN at his baptism of spirit, just as we as MEN are GIVEN THE SAME. He was made to have this, by the Father, not born with it.

Jesus was not fully man and fully God. He is a BODY FILLED with GOD. He said of myself I can do nothing. If he were fully God he could of him self done All things, but he said I do ALL things through my Father.

Amen and Amen, Brother Ronald, I would like to tell you what has been revealed to me in studying God's word.

Revelation is signified, so most nouns represent something other than what a dictionary would define them.

I believe, the BOOK, is Christ, The WORD, the BOOK, of life, of truth, of wisdom, etc., etc., all things.

Christ told us that we had to eat his flesh and drink his blood, he is our food and water.

I believe the same applies to the open book (Christ), we eat the book, as we eat his flesh.

It's sweet in our mouth because it has brought TRUTH TO US, it is bitter in our belly because we see our brothers (the world) that has NOT YET been GIVEN this Knowledge.

But we will again prophecy to our brothers after they are resurrected back to their flesh here on earth, the SECOND time.

Isaiah 11:9 .....for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

God Bless You!

Sister GiGi, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There are TWO realms of understanding, man understanding with a carnal mind, or the understanding with CHRIST MIND.

Every person ever created of the dust of the earth, is God's temple, most haven't had this revealed to them, therefore, all mankind, is the CHURCH.

Every person, whether they are male or female is the WOMAN.

The MAN, Jesus Christ is the HUSBAND of the WOMAN.

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman (bride) learn in silence with all subjection (to Christ, her husband).

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not the woman to usurp authority over the man ( Jesus Christ, the husband), but to be in silence.

1 Timothy 2:13 For (the second) Adam was NOT DECEIVED, but the WOMAN being DECEIVED was in the transgression.

1 Timothy 2:14 Notwithstanding, she (the WOMAN) shall be SAVED IN CHILDBEARING (giving birth to truth, life, the way, CHRIST IN US), if they (the CHURCH) continue in FAITH (OF CHRIST) and CHARITY (OF CHRIST) and HOLINESS (OF CHRIST) with SOBRIETY (OF CHRIST).

If the woman has questions, she should as the man, her husband, Christ. ( 1 John 2:27).

We suffer from words of rebuke by those that have NOT YET had the carnal mind DESTROYED and CREATED afresh to the mind of Christ.

Isaiah 11:9 ....for the earth shall be full of the KNOWLEDGE of the LORD ....

God bless and keep speaking HIS WORDS.

Hi Charleston , I believe that the ressurected Christians who have been judged and found acceptable and the Christians who were alive when Christ returned and were judged by him as acceptable , will live and reign with him . There will also be humans that have survived the trials and tribulations of the last days . Others may and probably will disagree , as you read the Bible for yourself and you grow in understanding , you will make your own mind up based on what it actually says . Enjoy .

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Amen and Amen, Brother Alex!

This Isaiah 11 KJV has been on my mind all morning long , I know this is prophetic of the 2 nd coming . All the animals are humanity and the Child that leads them is the H.G. That Child of PROMISE, That mountain he is leading them to is the Kingdom of God. Hebrews 12 : 22 you are come unto mount Sion the city of the living God,That heavenly Jerusalem ( the kIngdom of God ) . 27 times in the O.T. THE Prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains. i 'm just a messenger trying to tell ya there is a baby Christ in your near future . She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations . Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child . Which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE . When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he says unto us a Child is born unto us a Son is given. GBU

The way I heard the story of this, is Jesus removed it, folded it neatly and placed it to the side. As in a statement left for who entered His tomb the 3rd day.

That all was as he said it would be. It is Finished!

I do the same thing myself. When I have fixed a broken lamp or something. When I'm done I clean everything up and put my tools in a pile ready for the toolboxes.

what was the reason why the linen that was wrapped around jesus head placed away folded on the other side

Why are we not now - in the present, living out Isaiah 11:6-9? - Which tells us that the coming Kingdom will be free of harm. Isaiah 65:25, Hosea 2:18, Ezekiel 34:25, Romans 14:17.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.

It seems to me there is absolutely no reason to slaughter any sentient beings other than to fill our stomachs with rotting flesh. This practice does not paint a picture of the peaceable kingdom in the garden of Eden. Animal husbandry is barbaric-inhumane-void of compassion.

"Compassion, in which all ethics must take root, can only attain its full breadth and depth if it embraces all living creatures and does not limit itself to mankind." Albert Schweitzer

"I believe in my heart that faith in Jesus Christ can and will lead us beyond an exclusive concern for the well being of other human beings to the broader concern for the well-being of the birds in our backyard, the fish in our rivers, and every living creature on the face of the earth." John Wesley, Christian Theologian.

"I am persuaded you are not insensible to the pain given to every Christian, every humane heart, by those savage diversions, bull-baiting, cock-fighting, horse-racing, and hunting." John Wesley

In Genesis 9:3 God gave Noah the permission to eat animal flesh. This was a concession to man's sinfulness. But when you look at the verse in it's context, it is clear that God is only grudgingly giving humans this permission. "Vegetarianism practiced in the Garden of Eden ( Gen. 1:29-30, 2:16), and the prophecy that natural predators will live together peacefully in the future (Is 11:6-8), suggest that the eating of animal flesh isn't God's ideal." Steve W. Bemke

In the presence of Jehovah

Lino

The verse you speak of is Isaiah 11:6, and it does not say the Lion will lay down with the lamb.

Here is the history of the error:

The Hebrew text used the word "z-'" (wolf) as the animal dwelling with the lamb, so if one compares the most modern translations to the ancient Hebrew text, they are accurate. It is apparent that the commonly memorized phrase, "the lion shall lay down with the lamb" never existed in the Bible text. So how did this happen? How are so many people using a memorized "verse" that does not exist?"

The "lion shall lay down with the lamb" is a lyric made popular by the 1937 song, "Peace in the Valley" written by Thomas A. Dorsey for Mahalia Jackson. It was first made popular by Red Foley and the Sunshine Boys in 1951 after being recorded by Sam Cooke of the Soul Stirrers in 1950 and rising to limited success. But it wasn't until Elvis Presley recorded the song on his first Christmas Album with the Jordanaires that "Peace in the Valley" received worldwide fame.

This is a really catch for you. I remember that song from my childhood. I'm 70 :D Learn something new every day, right.

ISAIAH 11

6. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Hello,

I just want to expand on your question/answers.

1st perspective: usually this question is asked after a loved animal dies.

If you just lost an animal that you loved, GOD knows our pain, suffering & sorrows.

Isaiah 53:3, 1 Peter 5:7,

Interesting scriptures about animals

Numbers 22:28,30,

Isaiah 11:4,6,7,8

Genesis 9:5

Hope

1 Corinthians 2:9

Hopefully these scriptures are encouraging.

Hi Glenn, I believe that Isaiah 11:6-10 speaks of the Millenium Kingdom of Christ on Earth. This is when Satan is locked away for 1,000 years (Revelation chapter 20), and he can no longer "deceive the nations" during this time. There will still be sinners (the nations) around, but not within the walls of Jerusalem where Christ the King sits & reigns ( Revelation 20:1-6) and the saved from the nations shall reign with Him.

It maybe at this time, with sin's force curtailed that the animal kingdom will also lose its fierceness (result of sin's corruption of all things), & the once ferocious animals will now co-habit with the more docile ones. But in Heaven, there is no Scripture to support the presence of animals in God's midst, apart from the heavenly beasts & beings. One's wishful thinking cannot add to what is already revealed to us.

Amen and Amen, Brother Alex.

This morning i read ISAIAH 11, KJV and i was so touched by this scripture, I see all the Animals as symbolic language for Humanity and the lil Child that leads them as the H.G. The Child of Promise The Spirit of truth Jesus said was gonna lead the world ( reprove the world of sin and judgement and righteousness etc) Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas , they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my Holy Mountain, And the lord will set his hand a 2 nd time to recover his ppl etc.I know its all symbolic language but it made my Spirit come alive. She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations no doubt this is the same Child the H.G. That we so need to lead us.

Brother Sonny, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Most people are taught by the traditions of man, very few study themselves and let the Spirit reveal the truth to them.

Romans 8:20 For the CREATURE (CREATION) was made SUBJECT TO VANITY (evil), not WILLINGLY, but by REASON of him who hath SUBJECTED the same (creation) in HOPE. (Becoming ONE with their CREATOR).

Ponder on the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

That knowledge exist TOGETHER, you can't have the KNOWLEDGE of good without also having the KNOWLEDGE of evil.

After partaking of this KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, God said, behold they (creation) have become like one of us to KNOW good and evil.

This KNOWLEDGE is necessary to become LIKE GOD.

John 17:21 That they (creation) ALL may BE ONE; as thou Father, art ONE IN ME, and I IN THEE, that thou also may be ONE IN US: that the world MAY BELIEVE that thou has SENT ME.

Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4) proceeded lighting, and thunder and voices: BURNING ( Isaiah 4:4) before the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4), which (lighting, thunder, voices) ARE the SEVEN Spirits of God (now in you).

Isaiah 11:2 And the (first is the) SPIRIT of the LORD (Father) shall rest upon him (Christ (in you)), the (second) spirit of WISDOM, and (the third spirit of) UNDERSTANDING, the (forth) spirit of COUNSEL and (the fifth spirit of) MIGHT, the (sixth) spirit of KNOWLEDGE and (the seventh spirit) of the FEAR of the Lord.

When we no longer have to SUFFER IN THE FLESH we will BE ONE WITH THE FATHER AND SON.

Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam) - continued:

8) Prophecy mainly concerns nations as such ( Isaiah 2:4; Ezekiel 37:21-22)

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

8) The Mystery Concerns individuals ( Romans 10:12-13; 2 Corinthians 5:14-17)

9) Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, on earth ( Isaiah 2:3-4; Isaiah 11:1-9; etc.)

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9) The Mystery Concerns "all spiritual blessings in The Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 3:1-3)

10) Prophecy concerns Christ's Coming to the earth ( Isaiah 59:20; Zechariah 14:4)

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10) The Mystery Explains Christ's absence from the earth ( Ephesians 1:20-24; Colossians 3:1-3)

11) In prophecy, salvation by Grace through faith alone is not contemplated ( Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 23:1-3; Luke 7:29-30; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; James 2:17)

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11) Salvation "By GRACE Through faith" Alone lies at The Very Heart Of The Mystery! ( Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-9)

12) The proclamation of the prophetic program committed particularly to the twelve ( Matthew 10:5-7; Acts 1:6-8; Acts 3:19-26)

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12) The proclamation of The Mystery program committed particularly to Paul ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Ephesians 3:8-9; Colossians 1:24-27)

13) The prophetic program revealed through many of God's servants Luke 1:70; 2 Peter 1:21)

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13) The Mystery revealed through one man: Paul! ( Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 2:2; Galatians 2:7; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2-3)

14) Old Testament writers frequently did not understand the prophecies made through them ( Daniel 12:8-10; 1 Peter 1:10-12)

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14) Paul Both understood And longed that others might understand The Mystery revealed through him ( Ephesians 1:15-23; Ephesians 3:14-21; Colossians 1:9-10; Colossians 2:1-3)

{borrowed from "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam}

GM Chris GBU But you are leaving out Exodus 3 : 15 God is telling Moses His name is Abraham Issac and Jacob and that is my Name Forever and Memorial to all Generations ,Why wd God tell Moses that is name is Abraham, Isaac and Jacob simply b/c these 3 men are a Posterity of the nation of Israel ,A type of the kingdom of God the very kingdom of God, The very fact that we have a Father and Son begs the Question of a Granson and an Israel of GOD. Without this Abraham Issac and Jacob ,Father, Son and Granson scenario there cannot be an Israel of God. Its Gods Memorial to ALL Generation , Even the Davidic Kingdom was Father, Son and Granson and Our Lord indentifies with this Davidic Kingdom saying I AM THE ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID THE BRIGHT and the Morning star.( His memorial ) Isaiah describes the Davidic Kingdom as Jesse , David and and Solomon. Father Son and Granson in Isaiah 11: 1.Meaning there is gonna be heavenly Granson which is the H.G. th Son that comes out of Christ loins ( his seed the word) When he breathe on them that was his word which is his seed ,they were impregnated with his seed the word .Thats y Jesus tells them b/c i have spoken these words sorrows have filled your hearts a spritual pregnancy. The Child of Promise which is the H.G. was not born till Pentacost some 50 days later. Chris remember God wd NOT let David the son build the Temple, God wd only let Solomon the Granson, that son that came out of Davids loins build the temple . It means that the Granson which is the seed ,the word that Christ sows in our hearts is gonna build the temple in our hearts. He is truly the multiplication of God Almighty ,Its our bodies that is gonna be the Temple of the H.G. the Granson IS THE H.G. Simple b/c Christ is the one who IS GONNA sows that seed thus he is the father of the H.G. Just like Abraham,Issac n Jacob Father ,son and Granson. his Name for ever and my memorial to all generations. k

Please pray for me and my brother Daniel. We are good men we are also God-fearing men. Isaiah 11:18 Come now and let us reason together say it the Lord for your sins be a Scarlet they shall be white as snow though they be red like crimson they should be as wool God Bless you.

G2.

We're not to forsake assembling together. That's because corporate prayer (everyone praying and praising together) is so powerful spiritually.

I listen to ministry programs on FM Radio, every day. Some preachers are elderly and others are younger. I enjoy their messages! Radio is listener supported, so if the radio signals are weak or stolen by "pirates", just report it to the FCC online by email.

A Pastor/Evangelist, Greg Laurie has good rapport with young people. He's close to my age and we both share being street ministers in the early 80's. He was in California, and I was in Roswell, the alien capital of the USA, LOL. Very very good memories! He'll be on cable soon.

I learned, when I moved to Tulsa OK, to appreciate all people in ministry and Not Judge. I heard that from the Holy Spirit with my ears. :O I got cured big time that day.

ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH YOU

John 16:7-8

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (Teacher) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Isaiah 11:2 (speaking of Jesus & the Holy Spirit)

And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear (reverence;honor) of the LORD;

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, NOT in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, BUT which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

It takes some relationship to study and hear the Holy Spirit teach it, to your spirit. He knows what you need: milk, bread or meat. A quiet room works best.

He co-created this world, and Jesus went to the Cross to send the Holy Spirit to us. (Pentecost)

He is the Spirit of Christ. Ask HIM which Church He wants you to be in. Seek Him first.

Mishael

Hey Robert,

Great questions and they are not irrelevant. Asking is good, it is the motive that may not be good. Many questions asked by the scribes and Pharisees were to try and trap Jesus and not to learn the truth.

Those who died before Jesus' death on the cross, were saved because of their faith in the coming messiah. Romans 4: 3-5, Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 11: 1-3. We look back to the cross, those before us looked forward to the cross.

Those who believe in the Messiah, the Christ will be at the Bema Seat of Christ, 1 Corinthians 3:11-16, Acts 4:10-12

God has always had a way for people of all ages to be saved. Ps 19; Luke 16:27-31