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Gigi.

You stated.

Yes, God will do this for Israel. ( We do not know exactly when He will do this, perhaps pre-tribulation or earlier or perhaps just after the tribulations starts. We just don't know. But dispensationalist have pigeon holed this into their system in ways that are not explicitly stated in Scripture as to when this will happen.

You seem to be unsure of your viewpoint but rebuke the dispensational viewpoint.

I said in my earlier posts it's after the tribulation and wrath of the Lord.

Here's one of many reasons why.

We know it's not before the Tribulation because the verses I mentioned.

Ezekiel 36:30. And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, THAT YE SHALL RECEIVE NO MORE ( REPROACH ) OF FAMINE AMONG THE HEATHEN.

The Antichrist is going to bring REPROACH

AND AN IDOL! Ezekiel 36:25.

HERE'S WHERE ASSESSMENT GETS CONFUSING.

In your second statement you stated.

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As far as Ezekiel,

This is a figurative prophecy of God regathering all of Israel (Both houses) by resurrecting them to life when Jesus returns after the Tribulation is over. Or perhaps figuratively re-establishing Israel to the land that they have long been away from...( AND WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT WILL BE (the second option.)

Now I know you say the Millennium is in heaven, but your second opinion you suggest the restoration of Israel is after the tribulation here on earth.

Do you separate the restoration of Israel from the Millennium?

Earlier in my replies I stated to you the Millennium is here on earth pointing you to Revelation 20:6-8.

What makes this dispensational is Jeremiah says God is going to do something in a NEW WAY. ( In terms of Knowledge and virteous practice.) Jeremiah 31:33-34.

That's what I believe. .

God bless.

Gigi.

You'll find Dispensationalism from

Genesis ch 1 - Revelation 22.

It's not a Scripture It's God's plan/program. described by a word.

Here is a portion of what you asked for.

Jeremiah 31:31-37.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL, AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH:

( NOT according to the covenant that I made with their fathers ) in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

SOME APPLY THESE VERSES TO US BECAUSE IT FITS, BUT IT IS REALLY TO ISRAEL.

THAT'S WHY THE ONLY OTHER PLACE IN THE NT WE SEE THIS VERSE IS IN HEBREWS.

Has this been fulfilled in (ISRAEL AND JUDAH) ? NO.

He uses both names here to single out a point.

WILL IT BE ? You bet it will look at verse 36 and 37.

Vs 36. If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

vs 37. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Continuing.

Hello Mary. The answer to your question quite probably lies in the grammar of the Hebrew language, that is used in the Old Testament. Unlike in English where we don't have a clear distinction in the word 'they/them/those' (i.e. they can refer to any gender, unless the subject is clear), in Hebrew, even the words 'they/them/those' are allocated a specific gender without the need to specify whether male or female.

Now in Psalm 68:11, the KJV rendering is correct (i.e. "...great was the company of those that published it"), but when examining the word, 'those', in Hebrew apparently, 'those' is given a feminine gender, which then necessitates the meaning, 'that the large group of people publishing the good news (i.e. rejoicing & dancing maybe because of victories won or from the giving of the Law)', were women. And often, we read in the Bible of women who are conspicuous in their presence in such celebrations (e.g. Exodus 15:20; Judges 21:21,23; 1 Samuel 18:6; Jeremiah 31:13: 'virgin', relates to young women; & maybe other references).

So, those translators that showed that these were women who came out to "publish the Word", & in all probability, in song, fanfare, & dance, were likely more accurate in their reading of the Hebrew, whereas the KJV only shows it as 'a great company', which of course may have included males as they took part in celebrations (with music, etc.).

Very nicely laid out brother Chris!

Now look at the chronological order here in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8."For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

"AND THEN SHALL THAT WICKED BE REVEALED", whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

This is the Holyspirit being removed and "then" the Antichrist shall be revealed!

The Holyspirit dwells in the body of believers unlike the way He worked and moved under the old covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 and

Hebrews 10:16.

Mathew 28:18-20 says something interesting that we can tie into 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I AM WITH YOU ALWAY, EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD. Amen.

a) We're put into the body of believers "IDENTIFIED" With Christ.

Satan has ministers amongst us but Satan has no power over the Church!

Genesis 3:15. ( We are baptized into him that will bruise Satan's head.)

1 John 4:4. ( We have already overcome what's coming upon the world!)

Matthew 16:18. ( Gates in scripture is always used as defense. So who's on the offence and overcomes? The Church!! )

b) "I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

WE ARE BAPTIZED IN CHRIST AND HE WILL NEVER LEAVE US.

Unlike Judaism the Church is not looking for their Messiah. .

We have him with and in us!!

The deception performed by the Antichrist is one coming as their Messiah, and he will deceive many!!

That can't happen while the Church is in the world.

1 John 2:20-28.

Thanks Brother!

We're learning a lot from your teachings.

God bless you.

Bro Chris love ya my man...But lemme give ya my slant on all the hermeneutics and exegesis in the world cd not open that book the new covenant in the right hand of the Father....John said i wept much b/c no one in heaven or earth cd open the book that Jesus wrote with his own blood....Remember that image in Daniel 2 had to be destroyed completely which is Churchanity....Thats y Paul was saying when that which is PERFECT is come ( the new covenant in his blood ) that which is done in part will be done away with...( Hermeneutics/Exegesis,..we see in part etc)....All the Hermeneutics and Exegesis of the world cd not open that book that was sealed by God himself with 7 seals....In Daniel 12:4...The woman cd not get pregnant till the book was opened simply b/c the contents of the book are the seeds of the sower the seeds/words of the bridegroom that is gonna initiate a birth of Christ in everybody ...The manchild in us Sinners....I will know them all from the least to the greatest... Jeremiah 31:34 kjv...She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations....Thats y Jesus was saying these things are HID ( sealed with 7 seals ) from the wise and prudent but only revealed unto babes and sucklings...The woman's Children the real H.G. the Children of Promise...As that which Is born of the spirit is spirit which is the spirit of truth the H.G...The manchild.. John 16:13

The bible is precious n holy...but the book in the right hand of the father cd not be opened till the 7 seals were broken...Which are spritual seals not anything to do with literal seals....The writen word...Nothin availeth anything in Christ Jesus but a new Creature... Gal 6:15....Not circumcision nor uncircumcision but only by that New Creature...Which is our new innerman the H.G. That Child of Promise....A baby Christ in the spirit...She brought forth a manchild which is gonna rule all nations...Which is that spirit of truth that is gonna reprove the whole world of sin and righteousness, judgement.

Hi Marty ...Tell your friend that Jesus has died for him at Calvary making a new covenant in his blood for all men....I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me.... Romans 10:20...And this Jesus wants to know him, sowing a good seed in his heart...That is gonna result in a birth of a Baby Christ in him...which is the Child of Promise the H.G...Thats y he has to know us, even in the spiritual realm a birth requires a spritual seed....An intimacy

......Thats y Peter said being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever...The living word which is spirit and life...Thus there is a new heart and a new spirit in our near future...Which is true Holiness....Thats y the woman in Rev 12 :5...is giving birth to the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise...Which is the regeneration and multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed the word...ok....That was the great Promise when God swore by himself Gen 22:17...That Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thus the sower and his precious seed...An Israel of God... Gal 6:16....And the Children of PROMISE....The Kingdom....Unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child impling that new birth you will in no wise enter there in...There is not a day that goes by that i don't thank GOD for what he did at Calvary...That N.C. by his blood....That all inclusive Covenant....I will know them all from the least to the greatest....And they shall all be taught of God... Jeremiah 31:34....If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...Even as Moses lifted up a serpent in the wilderness even so must the Son of man be lifted up... John 3 :14....Every one who beheld that bronze Serpent lived, their snake bite was not fatal...The spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death... Romans 8 :2....sometimes we get bit but our snake bite is not fatal if we behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. gb

Hiya Jimbob love ya but i disagree a bit...Gods favorite is the seed of Jesus the H.G..Jesus cd not tell us the gift of God is the H.G. IF THE H.G was not his favorite his Chosen..That new Creature which is the H.G is the only thing that availeth any thing in Christ Jesus...Which is our new inner man the H.G.... As Jesus said that which is born of the spirt is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...Gods Elect....We the Church are the Elect lady the bride...But the H.G. is the Elect bridegroom....As John said he that has the bride is the bridegroom..

There is only 1 promise seed which is the H.G. the good seed ,the living word of Jesus...My words are spirit and life much greater then paper and ink the written word that O.C.

...The written word can be molested and has been molested by many Religions and bibles....But the living word cannot be molested as the living word is God himself... John 1..Its only the living word that Jesus refered to as the Promise seed...

And Jim the scripture cannot always interpret the Scripture..Remember Jesus told Peter that flesh and blood did not reveal it unto you but by my father in Heaven...Which is the spirit...The deep things are hidden from the wise and prudent but only revealed unto the babes...That New Born in our lives the H.G.

If the scripture cd interpret the scripture the High Priest who knew the scripture wd not have instructed the ppl to cry crucify him..In so doing the whole of the levitical Priest hood wd be done away with...The curtain was rent from the top to the bottom....The deep things are hidden from the wise and prudent...They knew the scripture by heart but did not understand that a new covenant was on the horizon....And this N.C.was by his blood...Thus the book of life ( the blood ).... Jeremiah 31:31 I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah...A N.C...And this N.C. is a birthing covenant...We are gona have a baby Christ which is the H.G. the Child of Promise. The son of man.

Actually the bible does teach that all will be saved in Jeremiah 31:34....This New Covenant is all inclusive....Not like the old covenant ...I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest...This KNOW them all is an intimacy with humanity resulting in a birth of Christ in everyone....And Isaiah saw this intimacy this KNOWLEDGE with humanity as the waters of God covering the earth as the waters covering the seas....The seas imply humanity thats everybody....If i be lifted up (The blood) of that NEW COVENANT I will draw ALL men unto me.... 1st Cor 15:28...All thing are gonna be subject to Christ and God will be ALL in ALL

...And this is the reason that Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Everybody is gonna be bornagain in the end....27 times the prophets saw this world in travail and birth pains....Thus the whole creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God....The Children of Promise... the remnant of his brethren...an Israel of God...The babes and sucklings that are gonna be born to humanity via his precious seed ...Simply b/c that GREAT PROMISE was that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven...This New Covenant is All inclusive...Thats y John saw a number that no man cd number standing b/f the throne of God...clothed with white raiment...They were all washed in the blood of the lamb....

......When he fed the multitudes he didn't cull not 1 single one of them...he fed them all with a childs lunch the Child being symblolic of the H.G....The manchild that is gona rule ALL NATIONS with his rod of iron....Not only did Moses rule all Israel but he fed all Israel with his glorious Rod...We gotta keep in mind that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us...Thats indicative of everybody... Romans 10:20 And i was found of them that sought me NOT and made manifest unto them that asked NOT after me...Thats indicative of everybody...If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...The lords arm is not too short to save ALL

Hi Spencer GBU....But the new covenant is all inclusive.... Jeremiah 31:34 I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...and their sins and iniquities will i remember no more...That New Covenant is by the blood of Jesus...If i be lifted up ( his blood ) I will draw ALL MEN unto me...Thats everybody...An all inclusive Covenant.

Matthew 20:1-16....The vineyard...Some were hired early and some were hired late...But in the end they were ALL HIRED....And given the same wages....The last shall be 1st and the 1st shall be last....But they were all given the same wages from the 1st to the last...Which is the Kingdom....Thats y Jesus is saying if i be lifted up ( The Cross )..I will draw ALL men unto me......ALL MEN

Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every Creature... Mark 16:15...And his words cannot return unto him void....But the book the N.C. has to be opened 1st....b/f the Kingdom comes in Rev 12 :10...We have to birth the manchild which is the H.G....That New Creature....Thats y he is saying the 1st shall be last and the last 1st...indicative of this 2k yr period of darkness coming to an end...I am the light of the world but the night comes darkness when no man can work....

In Isaiah 11:11.. He saw an ocean of knowledge covering the earth as the waters covering the seas thats everybody ...And this knowledge is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in everybody....Thats y Jeremiah saw ALL MEN in travail and birth pains as woman in travail....Simply b/c this Knowledge is an intimacy....Thats y he has to know us which answers to tree of knowlege in Gen. and this ocean of knowledge covering the earth in Isaiah 11...He is gonna know everybody resulting in a birth of Christ in us Everybody...ok lemme go.... Jeremiah 31:34 I will know them ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST and their sins and iniquites will i remember no more....And its God Almighty that is making this new covenant with the blood of Jesus... if i be lifted up I..will.

Ruby Gbu very appropriate scriptures for the time we are in....She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations...Which are the contents of the book that he wrote with his own blood...After supper he took the cup saying this is the new covenant in my blood drink ye all of it.... Luke 22:20....Jesus was plainly telling them Calvary was a new Covenant...Answering to Jeremiah 31:34

An all inclusive Covenant...Wish that everybody in this forum realized that Calvary was a new covenant...That ALL inclusive Covenant of Jeremiah 31:34....As Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains....Which are the Children of Promise the H.G. Plural as the stars of Heaven....Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of apromise...ok lemme go

Had that 1 st covenant been faultless then there wd have been no place sought forth a 2 nd covenant in the blood of the lamb....Remember what John was preaching saying behold the lamb of God that taketh the sins of the world...That cd not be preached under the old covenant.... Hebrews 8:7 kjv...And Jeremiah 31:34...And we are no longer married to the LAW Now we are married to Christ Jesus....You are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you should be marrried to another even to him that was raised from the dead.... Romans 7 :4...Remember Bathsheba had to marry another even David...Bathsheba had to travail a 2 nd time in order to get the Child of PROMISE....King Solomon...And Jesus says there is a greater then Solomon here...Which is the H.G....Which is gonna build his temple in our hearts and minds....Gals.4:19...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN till Christ is formed in you...Bathsheba was barren under Uriah but she was fruitful under David....

Which is Symbolic of Christ and the early Church...They had a relationship and a child was born which was Christianity...But the Child was sick and died in its infancy...But Bathsheba ( the Church) will travail a 2 nd time....My lil Children of whom i travail in Birth AGAIN....A 2nd time Till Christ is formed in you which is the manchild the H.G. that spirit of truth that is gona RULE ALL NATIONS.... Micah 5 :3 There fore shall he give them up till the woman is in Birth pains...But not to worry.... John 6 ..I will raise them up AGAIN THE LAST DAY....Again impling a 2 nd time....Ezech's dried bones which was the early Church the house of ISRAEL a great army is gonna come back again in the Spiritual realm...OK Lemme go....4 times in John 6 Jesus says he was gona raise them up Again....Paul describes the early Church as a great army..In Philemon 2:25 and philippians 1:2...But I fear thay answer to Ezekiels dried bones a great army...Soldiers for Jesus...ok lemme go

Hiya Susanella...GBU...But the way I read it is...This New Covenant is an ALL INCLUSIVE covenant... Jeremiah 31:34...I will make a new Covenant with the house of Israel and Judah not according to the covenant i made with their fathers etc...I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...This KNOW them all is an intimacy with humanity as God so loved the world....And Jesus says if i be lifted up, the shedding of his blood on calvary initiating that New COVENANT I will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME...Told his disciples go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every CREATURE...And his words cannot return unto him void..

"This Know them all is an intimacy with humanity" That is gonna result in a birth of Christ in everyman....As Jeremiah 30:6 he saw all men in travail and birth pains..All men...You have not chosen me but i have chosen you...While we were yet sinners Christ died for every man...I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...Thats y Jesus says he has to KNOW us...Thus that tree of KNOWLEDGE....And Isaiah speaks of a Knowledge that is gona cover the earth as the waters covers the seas...Thus a 2 nd Flood that is gona kill all of humanity according to our old adamic nature...Man's carnal minds which is the very enemy of God...If thy right hand offend thee cut it off...As our God is a consuming fire that is gona consume mans adamic nature...Thus our new hearts and new spirts answers to a New Earth and New Heavens...When Jesus began his ministry he was preaching i come to bring fire on the earth...Which is his baptism of the H.G. n fire..ok lemme go..And Joel 2:28 speaks of God pouring out of his spirit on ALL flesh...Thats y he said the harlots and the whoremongers will go into the Kingdom of heaven b/f you....I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest...And if ya be in Christ then are you Abrahams seed and heirs according to that Promise of multiplication of Christ seed...The H.G.The Promise.

Alex1939...The New Covenant the book in the right hand of the Father is a much different Covenant then the old Covenant...The O.C. was many are called but few are CHOSEN...But this N.C. is by the blood of Jesus...If i be lifted up ( his blood ) i will draw all men unto me... Jeremiah 31:34 This is the Covenant i will make with the house of Israel in those days...I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest...And their sins and iniquities will i remember no more.

While we were yet sinners Christ died for us...Thats everybody...He makes his Son/sun and rain to fall on everybody.

And i was found in them that sought me NOT thats everybody..As our carnal minds is the very enemy of God wanting to know nothing of God...And i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...He died for everybody

And they shall ALL ALL be taught of God..Thats everybody...When he fed the multitudes he did not cull not 1 single person...And he fed them all with a CHILDS LUNCH...The H.G. She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations the H.G. THAT child of Promise...Unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.

The 1st Adam is not like the 2 nd Adam..Just as the curse of the 1st Adam was applied to everybody no exceptions..The blessings and the blood of the 2 nd Adam has to be applied to everybody...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me....I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...Thats y John saw a number that no man cd number standing before the Throne clothed with white raiment .....Simply b/c that great Promise was that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven... Gen 22:16...And God was so passionate about this Promise that he swore by himself..Thats y Jesus was saying to whom the word came it made them Gods...And the scripture cannot be broken.

Remember that Tree of knowledge which is symbolic of that Ocean of Knowledge in Isaiah 11:9 an Intimacy.

Alex1939...Ellix2u I agree with you some what...But we have to birth the Child which is the H.G. that Child of Promise.. but when the book ( that New Covenant ) is opened...We will all travail in birth pains...As Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Its gonna happen automatically after tHE BOOK IS OPENED...We answer to the woman in Rev 12:10 that is giving birth to the Children of the Kingdom which are spirits An Israel of God which is the H.G. God is gonna pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...We dont have anything to do with it as our carnal minds is the very ENEMY of God..

.....This New Covenant is different then the O.C...Thats y Romans 8:5 is telling us ...While we were yet sinners Christ died for ALL of us...Its not according to the O.C... Jeremiah 31:34...God Almighty gave us this N.C. Saying I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...If I be lifted up I will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME...When he took the cup he said this is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it...Which took place on Calvary...I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me...What a Covenant, I kiss you my son Jesus...Its all his doings...But there is a Child involved b/c of his seed the words of the book....Ya gotta realize he has to KNOW US..We can only birth this Child via his seed the living word the contents of the book that he wrote with his own blood that N.C...Remember that tree of KNOWLEDGE.

.....That which is Perfect is yet to come on the 3 rd day...I will be perfected on the 3 rd day...Outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has PERFECTED PRAISE...Unless you receive this Kingdom OF God as a lil Child you will in NO WISE ENTER THERE. IN... Isaiah 11:9....Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...I will know (knowledge an intimacy ) them all from the least to the greatest...Thus the Woman giving birth to the Children...The babes and sucklings our new heart n new spirit.

alex1939...Brenda good question...But let us remember what Jesus did at Calvary,..He made a New Covenant in his blood...When he had taken the cup he said this is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it...And if i be lifted up ( his blood ) i will draw ALL MEN unto me... Jeremiah 31:34...This is the Covenant i will make with the house of Israel and Judah I will put my words/laws in their hearts and MINDS and they shall shall ALL KNOW ME from the least to the greatest...And the Gentiles come into this Blood Covenant simply b/c if ye be in Christ then are you Abraham seed and are heirs according to the Promises...God so loved the world.

.....Many are called but few are Chosen...The only 1 Chosen is the H.G. that Gift of God to all the world..And is the Israel of God...But the book has to be opened 1st ....ok

Hello Meliah. I'm unsure whether you're asking about Jeremiah the man, or Jeremiah the prophetical book that he authored. So, I'll share on both points.

Jeremiah received the Word from God, that he was separated (set apart) from pre-birth & ordained to be God's prophet for that time in history ( Jeremiah 1:5). This was during the reign of King Josiah & his prophetical work went on till Judah's last reigning king, King Zedekiah - at which time Babylon invaded Palestine, occupied Jerusalem & captives taken back to Babylon.

The Book of Jeremiah is Jeremiah's account of God's dealings with him, Judah, their captors, and the other nations. Even though Jeremiah was reluctant to do as commanded by God, he nevertheless did not fail to bring out the prophetical message to the people. For over forty years, he faithfully proclaimed God's stern Judgement on apostate Judah, all the while Jeremiah had to endure fierce opposition, beatings & imprisonment ( Jeremiah 11:18-23; 12:6; 18:18; 20:1-3; 26:1-24; 37:11-38:28).

Even though warnings against sin & coming judgement are uppermost throughout the book, God still sent out messages of hope & future restoration. Predictions of a coming Messiah ( Jeremiah 23:5,6); the duration of the Babylonian captivity ( Jeremiah 25:11); and the revelation of the New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31:31-34) are the bright lights seen in this book.

alex1939...There are many analogies and metaphors for faith but Jesus only uses 1 saying you must be Bornagain...He uses child birth as a metaphor for faith saying unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...A lil Child is indicative of Child birth and Faith...a new creature etc...A new man or woman is on the horizon..As we have borne the image of the earthly we must also bear (birth) the image of the Heavenly...Indicative of the heavenly Birth, Christ in us...And Rev 12:5 uses this woman in travail a pregnancy as a picture of faith...Jesus knew this woman ...She has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen...Her fetus...She is pregnant for Jesus the bridegroom...She has heard his words the good seed...She cannot see the Child til he is born...But she had the Evidence of things not seen...The H.G. the Child of Promise..That is gona rule all nations..She is hoping for the kingdom and Jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...There is only 1 analogy that truly defines faith and its Child birth...Plz note that true salvation and the Kingdom comes till the woman births the Child which is the H.G. that Child of Promise... REV 12:10..Now is come salvation after the woman births the Child...and the book is opened...The words of the book are that New Covenant and the seeds of the sower...Thats when they sang that new song the new covenant...A birthing covenant...I will know them all from the least to the greatest.. Jeremiah 31:34..An intimacy that is gona initiate a birth of Christ in everybody...Thus the woman is the world in travail and Child birth...There cannot be a heavenly birth without Faith..Simply b/c we cannot be bornagain again without his seed the words of that New Covenant...As Faith comes by hearing his words..Thats y Jeremiah speaks of the woman with Child and she that travails with Child a great company...An Israel of God is coming soon.

alex1939...Gerald GBU but let me remind you its what Jesus did at Calvary that saved all of us...His blood that New Covenant in his blood... Romans 5:8...While we were yet sinners Christ died for us,all of us...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me...The 2 theives were made Clean by his blood and the words he spoke to them...That New Covenant in his blood You are made Clean by the Words i have spoken unto you...Abide in me and i in you ...They didn't need to be water baptised the old covenant Johns water baptism...This was a new COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD...Remember what Peter said to whom shall we go lord thou has the Words of Eternal life...Jesus had a conversation with these 2 theives and it was his words that made them Clean... Hebrews 10:20 I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...This New Covenant is a different covenant then the 1 st covenant...God Almighty says i will know them ALL from the least to the greatest... Jeremiah 31:34...And this knowledge is an intimacy that is gonna form Christ in everybody...Thus the babes and sucklings he mentions...And Isaiah says that this Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...Thats everybody...As Bro Paul mentions the whole creation groans for the manifestation of the Son of God (birth pains) ...The Children of Promise the H.G.... Romans 8:22...Real Faith is a spirtual pregnancy...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin his words are his seeds that are gona fulfill that great Promise of Multiplication and regeneration...But these things are hid from the wise and prudent and revealed unto babes...Spirits the H.G. a living being our new heart and new spirit...An Israel of God...That New heaven and new earth...His seed and his name sake the H.G...27 times in the O.T. the Prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains...And thats y Elijah has to come and turn the fathers hearts to the Children...The Children of Promise...gbu Gerald

Anonymous...Alex...Plz note the woman does not go into birth pains till the book is opened...And thats when they sang that New Song...( the New Covenant a birthing covenant that he wrote with his own blood.. we ALL must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed..via the words of the book in the fathers right hand...The woman has faith simply b/c she is with Child of the seed of Jesus the contents of the book...The woman is the world as Jesus said the field is the world where that the good seed will be sown... Jeremiah 30:6 Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains.

.....The Woman has the substance of things hoped for ( the Kingdom ) The evidence of things not seen ( the Children of Promise ) ...Remember the great promise Christ has to be multiplied as the stars of heaven...thus all men in travail and birth pains...Thus Faith is truly a spiritual pregnancy preceding a spiritual birth of Christ in us...The Son of Man...Man kinds fruit unto God as in Romans 7 :4...WE must be married to Christ and bring forth fruit unto God which is the Child of Promise the H.G.

......Remember Isaiah 11:9...Isaiah saw an intimacy a Knowledge covering the earth as the waters covering the seas...Thus all men are gona travail in birth pains...Which is the very same as Jeremiah 31:34 Gods new Covenant i will KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST...This Know them all is an intimacy with God that is gonna result in a heavenly Birth...But b/f the birth takes place the only thing we have is Faith the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....the Child of PROMISE...The H.G. is the Child of PROMISE...When Jesus said behold i send the Promise of my Father upon you it was baptism of the H.G...Via his words which are his seeds..Thats y he mentions the babes and sucklings...our new hearts and spirits...ok lemme go

Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The words of our Lord.

Hi Prosperity.

The law was given to Israel but let's set that aside.

You are right in that you say, "The Commandments must be kept" Israel couldn't obtain salvation thru the keeping of the law and neither can we.

Christ came to free us from the curse of the law, that doesn't mean he did away with The Law.

In the old covenant "under the law" there was sacrifices made for sin. Those sacrifices pointed ahead to the only sacrifice that could take away sin AND regenerate the believer by the Spirit. Hebrews 10:3-10.

The old covenant had no power over the incurable heart. The new covenant humbled the sinner and pointed him in the right direction. "CHRIST" Ezekiel 36:26-27. Jeremiah 31:31-33.

The old covenant slew us and is called the ministration of death. Romans 7:5-11. 2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

The new covenant gave mercy. Why mercy? Because no one could keep the law, and no one is able to do so today. Putting ourselves in chains and grinding our teeth while restraining from sin isn't keeping the law. Galatians 2:21.

The commandments given didn't say keep the commandments as best you can.

You're breaking the law in your heart You're still a sinner. There's no sanctification. Christ came to give new birth and a new heart accompanied with mercy and grace.

The second you broke any one of them you were forever lost if there was no sacrifice that could take away sin. Hebrews 10:1-5.

It was the sacrifices that pointed to Christ that made atonement for those sins.

Israel having God in their midst with all the providence showed the world that the heart of man is incurably wicked.

The law showed that there was a need of a savior that could regenerate the believer and give a new heart and life.

The commandments are Holy and was given to a nation that was set apart to show man with God in their midst was nothing like God being "IN" them.

That's what's available today.

Read Galatians 3:10-26.

Perhaps more on this later this weekend God bless."

Jeremiah 31:29-30, Ezekiel 18,

Hopefully these are helpful

Dgjot...Salvation is for everybody...God so loved the world that he gave his only son...That whosoever believeth in him will neva perish....By 1 spirit are we ALL baptised into the body of Christ whether we be Jew or Gentile bond or free male or female...God is no respector of persons, He is gonna apply the blood of Christ to every person that ever lived....Jesus is gonna see thats its accomplished.

.....Jesus said if i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...By his Blood ..Its Jesus that is gonna draw all men unto himself....Thats y Hebrews...is saying I was found of them that SOUGHT ME NOT ( the world ) I was made manifest unto them that ASKED NOT after me ( the world ) HUMANITY.....ALL NATIONS....The manchild which is the H.G. IS GONA RULE ALL NATIONS.

...God so loved the WORLD..Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the WORLD ...When Jesus fed the multitudes he didn't cull not 1 person...He fed them ALL with a Childs lunch...Which is Prophetic of the Manchild the H.G. that is gona rule all nations...And feed all of us with that manna from heaven...The living Word...That new COVENANT which is ALL INCLUSIVE... Jeremiah 31:34...I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest.

.....But every sinner will have to go thru that lake of fire which his baptism of the H.G. and fire...There has to be judgement ....As our God is a Consuming Fire....Its only the devil and his angels that are gonna be Consumed by this lake of fire...And our old Demonic Adamic Nature that is in rank with Satan...ok lemme go GBU

Jeanette may i give you my take on the order of Gods Business...The 2 Covenants ...1st was the Old Covenant, redemption by the blood of bullls and goats...The levitical Priest hood....But God found fault with the Levitical priesthood....Promising a New Covenant by his own blood....A 2 nd Covenant by the blood of the The lamb of God... Acts 20:28....But they had to be in order as 1 st and 2 nd...That we might see the futility of mans righteousness via the blood of bulls and goats...The Levitical Priesthood....vs the Melchizedek Priesthood....An everlasting Covenant ( Kingdom )...David comes to mind There was none righteous no not one under this levitical Priesthood...Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...The 1st Covenant answers to the night light a lesser light...But the 2 nd Covenant is like day light a GREATER LIGHT and there will be no night there where we are going...The Kingdom...It also answers to the 2 words the written word and the living word...1 is death and 1 is life as my words are spirit and life....But the letter is the written word and no eternal life in written words...a killer... The written word is truly manna but they all died in the wilderness ...But the 2 nd Covenant is his flesh and blood the living Words and if any man eats of my flesh and blood he will neva die....But this 2 nd covenant is hid from the wise and prudent but reveled unto babes and sucklings...Until the book is opened....AND GOD POURS OUT OF HIS SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH... Joel 2 :28...I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest... Jeremiah 31:34...k lemme go.

Hosea 12:2-6, it is wisdom to search out scripture, many times GOD clarifies His WORD & repeats. Also significant : Genesis 28:17-22, Genesis 32, Genesis 35:1,3, Genesis 35 whole chapter puts together Bethel & Bethlehem & GOD's appearing, Genesis 48:3,7, Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 2:3, Isaiah 41:8, Jeremiah 31:11, Jeremiah 51:19, Micah 4:2, Acts 7:46-48,

Psalms 146:5,

James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Hiya Adam GBU ....Lemme speak to you for a Sec....In Hebrews there are no upper case or lower case letters....Its just Gods And in Gen 26:4...That is not addressing just Abraham but also Jesus as Gal.3:15 tells us....Now unto Abraham and his seed were the Promises made but he says not seeds plural but unto 1 seed which is CHRIST....Thus its Christ that is gona be multiplied as the stars of Heaven....Thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed in our hearts that we might birth a Baby Christ the H.G. THAT CHILD OF Promise....Thus the Woman in Rev 12:5....And that Child that the woman gives birth to is a Baby God...The H.G...As he said that which is BORN BORN of the spirit is Spirit as our God is Spirit....And Adam we are gonna be marrried to that Child the H.G.....Which is spirit...Thus 1 ST COR.15:53....We are gonna put on incorruption and IMMORATALITY...A marriage is when 2 are made 1....And immorality is Godliness..And we are gonna bemaried to this IMMORALITY...God Almighty.

... Isaiah 62:5....As a young man marries a virgin so shall thy sons marry thee....We are gona marry our Sons, the H.G that we have given birth to which is Spirit....We are gonna marry our sons which is the H.G. that we have given birth to from that good seed the living word...Remember what Jesus said whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me..

...And Adam we cannot receive his Spirit without being married to God....Its gonna be a hugh number that no man can number...As the stars of Heaven in multitudes....That was the essence of that great Promise...meaning every body....When he said I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh....Thats an Israel of God Number....If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me....Satan does not want any body knowing their rights under the NEW Covenant that our lord gave to us by his Blood at Calvary.....This is my Blood of the New Covenant..Drink ye all of it.... Jeremiah 31:34 New Covenant i will KNOW them ALL from least to GREATEST..

Giannis GBU...But you are wrong....While we were yet sinners Christ died for us...All of us.... Romans 10:20...I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...Its Jesus that is gonna do the drawing...If i be lifted up i will I will I will DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME unto me...God showed his love for humanity while we were yet sinners Jesus died for everyman....I will draw all men unto me... Romans 5:9 kjv....Thats y Rev...7:9 is saying...I saw a number that NO MAN cd number of all nations tribes and ppls and tongues and kindreds....Its Jesus who drew all these ppl to HIMSELF....Which is that New Covenant in his Blood....I will KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST...And their sins and iniquities will i remember no more... Jeremiah 31:34...A new Covenant not according to the old covenant....Many called few chosen...But this New Covenant in his blood is a ..I WILL KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me..Thus a number no man can number...

......Remember Legion the man with all the demons, he wanted nothing to do with Jesus...But Jesus cast the devils outta of Legion anyway....Jesus didn't care what Satan wanted....He paid the price for every man...As we are all bought with a price...his blood.

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Thanks for your further comments, Paul.

To the 'two sticks being joined together', I can't offer any more on that, since I read the Ezekiel chapter differently to you & apply the meaning of the sticks to Israel & Judah, as the whole chapter is about people not books.

I wouldn't be able to comment whether certain people are from a particular tribe of Israel. Unless people can do a verifiable research to trace their ancestry to such a distant point, I generally leave off that discussion as I see it going nowhere and we end up with just opinions.

"Is the Bible gathering Israel?" By this I understand, is there a clear thread running through the Bible of Israel one day coming together & worshipping the LORD in Truth? There are several references to this: Jeremiah 31:31-34; Deuteronomy 30:1-6; Isaiah 41:8,9; Isaiah 11:10-12, are some of the Scriptures about the future re-gathering of Israel. There are of course, many references to Israel's other regatherings, i.e. from the captivities, etc.

Re: your belief in "both Bible & Mormon". Without even looking at the Book of Mormon (BOM) now, we just need to study the utterances of those men I mentioned previously, which should cause one to balk at the very nature of these men & the beliefs surrounding the LDS. If the Apostle Paul came out with an epistle speaking about the moon being inhabited by six foot men dressed like Quakers, I would look at Paul with great suspicion as also his other letters & probably wonder how much other falsehoods are found in the Bible. We can't isolate the BOM from what that church's leaders believed & taught, however ignorant they might have been of the truth. Just as today, both the preachers' words & the words of the Bible are weighed in together - and one or both might stand or fall as a result.

Revelation 10: Concluding thoughts

Therefore; there is no more holding back judgment (See Jeremiah 15:1 for example). The "plumbline" is drawn ( Amos 7:7-9).

There is a distinct time frame where God says "enough" and Christ is set free with the righteous angels to procure judgment.

We see in the following chapters that in fact He uses Satan by giving him what he always wanted; control over the entire world.

Geographically; he doesn't gain all the territory; but surely with technology and his minions can enforce his mark worldwide through the 10 nations or regional confederacy that rule with him for "one hour". ( Rev. 17:12). It is an interesting sidenote; which I pointed out before about some who fight in the Ezekiel 38 war AGAINST Antichrist. Since one sixth survive it is possible that they did NOT recieve the mark of the Beast and have a chance at surviving into othe Millenium. In Isaiah 49:23 we see kings and queens being "nursing fathers" and mothers as it were (part of that obviously symbolic). In Jeremiah 31:16-17 we see further confirmation of this. This isn't the main point of the passage; but it shows how God may use captivity and even kidnapping to ultimately preserve the lives of children into the Millennium; the alternative being killed in Israel by Antichrist.

We need to see several larger themes here. God is using all this so that FINALLY as Christ is returning the nation will repent; and that in weeping. (see Zechariah 12:12). It seems hard to believe that the nations get it in regard to Christ and God in the sixth seal; and Israel remains blind that long. Romans 11:25 sheds some light on this; in regard to the "fullness of the Gentiles" which could be indicative of the Church Age ending; complete with the Rapture/Resurrections discussed previously.

Altogether; He uses Satan's own planning to draw men to the snare and trap of Armageddon where things come to a swift conclusion. No more delay can occur or no flesh would live ( Matt. 24:22

Hiya Dere Gbu....Dere salvation is for everybody...According to the New Covenant Jeremiah 31:34....I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest thats everybody...And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more...And this New Covenant is what Jesus accomplished at Calvary....in his blood....And Isaiah 11 saw all the world coming under this New Covenant....He says that KNOWLEDGE shall cover the earth as the waters cover the Seas....This knowledge is a spritual intimacy that results in a birth of Christ in everybody....Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains...Thats y Jesus said if i be lifted up ( his blood of that New Covenant) I will draw all men unto me...There is a book in the right hand of the father that Jesus wrote with his own Blood...When that book is opened it gonna result in a Spritual pregnancy for all men....Thats y the woman n Rev. 12:5 is giving birth to the child that is gonna rule all nations...This intimacy KNOWLEDGE is gonna be to everyman....I will KNOW THEM ALL from the least to the greatest...Thats everybody....Thats y Isaiah 65 :1 is saying...I was found of them that sought me not i was made manifest to them that asked not after me....Everybody is gona get it...When we were yet sinners Jesus died for all of us....We are all bought and paid for by his blood...Everybody....At the CROSS we were all redeemed by the blood of the lamb....Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...period

.....Thats y God told Peter what i have made CLEAN ( BY THE blood of Jesus )...donot call common or unclean....( by commanding water baptism for the remission of sins).....AT the Cross that New Covenant in his BLOOD all sins were paid for...He is gonna pour out of his spirit on all flesh....Thats everybody...The old covenant many were called few chosen..but the New Covenant is all Inclusive....i will know them ALL from the least to the Greatest..In Adam we all die but in CHRIST WE WILL ALL LIVE...

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Yehshua also said Revelation 6:11

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

so for those who think they are going to be whisked away are deluded to think so. Understand the rapture is at the END of the Millennium the 1000 years.

only those saved during the tribulation will have our Creators MARK IN THEIR FOREHEADS (Mind) basically what you believe to be true.

Revelation 7:3

"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." 144,000 first fruits

i believe from scripture that number of first fruits is 153 the parable of the fish caught in the net John 21:11

I believe the number gathered is 33.333% of the world population

Jeremiah 31:34

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

These are the people that the ALMIGHTY will protect under HIS WINGS during the tribulation.

Yehshua said in MATTHEW Elijah will come first RESTORE ALL THINGS? Before HIS COMING?

WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS BEING RESTORED? His Laws, His Statues, His Judgements, His Sabbath and holy set apart days the world are ignorant to or deceived into worshiping on the wrong days!!! of course HE allowed for all this to happen, because His Word tells us this would happen. Matthew 15:9

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

the 7 year tribulation is a LIE so is a THIRD TEMPLE BEING BUILT LIES!!!!!. YOU, WE are the Temple, Yehshua is the Head He was also our Creators first witness

you need to understand Zechariah 4:14